Bottom of the class @ HYS. How fucked? Martoma?
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Date: June 29th, 2015 3:23 PM Author: garnet university
1L pumo here (well used to be 1L).
MBB?
Dropout?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922533&forum_id=2#28224088) |
Date: June 29th, 2015 3:25 PM Author: ebony bearded dopamine
HYS is worth the prestige.
You can probably get some government job and PAYE/PSLF it out. Also one of the few schools where non-law is an option.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922533&forum_id=2#28224106) |
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Date: June 29th, 2015 3:45 PM Author: garnet university
I have a shot at an Inhouse gig or AmLaw 200 as a 2L?
Any chance I can grind my way back to V-something respectability land as a 3L?
Or will I forever feel ashamed of telling my classmates where I'm "summering"?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922533&forum_id=2#28224254) |
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Date: June 29th, 2015 5:43 PM Author: garnet university
You were a CCN bro right? What makes HYS so special but median @ Chicago pwned?
Is MBB my only save-face route?
You got a throwaway to chat off-bort?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922533&forum_id=2#28225116) |
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Date: June 29th, 2015 6:32 PM Author: garnet university
OP here. Not flame: I interviewed with one of BB for 1L summer. Had a 800 Math SAT on my resume (and high 700s on the other 2 sections). Didn't get the job because it turned out they were just doing a "trial" recruitment program on 1Ls and only hired 1 out of 25 people who received a 1st round invite.
But case interviews ain't no sweat.
And McKinsey and its 2L & 3L hiring are much larger than this BB "trial" on 1Ls, though even BB have "established" but slim 2L & 3L hiring.
It won't be easy, but I was asking whether it/Goldman/JPM/etc are my only chances at getting out of 2L OCI with my head held high instead of hidden between my legs. Or Martoma
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922533&forum_id=2#28225385) |
Date: June 29th, 2015 3:30 PM Author: maize stag film brethren
it is currently your 1L summer? what are you doing?
what is your UG major?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922533&forum_id=2#28224147) |
Date: June 29th, 2015 3:37 PM Author: mustard ceo box office
Home market?
Other markets with ties?
Work experience?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922533&forum_id=2#28224198) |
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Date: June 29th, 2015 3:43 PM Author: garnet university
K-JD. Summer work exp @ bigname PI law (think ACLU), and a V100 firm. That was all pre1L.
1L summer: RAing for an Ivy-->Rhodes/Marshall-->YLS-->Feeder CoA-->SCOTUS prof. Makes the NYT every now and then, gets involved in litigation.
Just NYC and my UG "market" which I'd rather not go back to.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922533&forum_id=2#28224236) |
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Date: June 29th, 2015 3:46 PM Author: Nofapping Chapel
EDIT nm u answered ur market sry
EDIT EDIT
do you plausibly have any connection to a non-NYC market (where you would also be willing to live)?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922533&forum_id=2#28224273) |
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Date: June 29th, 2015 4:39 PM Author: garnet university
Nah, grew up in MFH metro area.
Can I hide my head between my tails, "choose" not to do 2L OCI to save face, then gun back to top 3rd (doable but improbable) for 3L OCI?
Doable at HYS?
Or are my only options Martoma/drop-out/self?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922533&forum_id=2#28224714) |
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Date: June 29th, 2015 5:42 PM Author: garnet university
Were you HUG or HLS? I know you're one or the other.
You have a throwaway to chat off-bort?
What about the shame of striking out @ OCI? By "choosing" to sit it out, at least I'm going out on my own terms, then "rediscover" myself during 3L OCI
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922533&forum_id=2#28225111) |
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Date: June 29th, 2015 8:34 PM Author: translucent pungent main people
You can do both. People do oci and the public interest job fairs. I don't know what "bottom of the class" means but unless it's like straight LPs and Fs I don't think you're wasting your time at oci. Your CSO should provide pretty useful tables of X grades got Y amt of callbacks and whatnot as at HYS level schools are pretty transparent about that stuff. Shouldn't be a problem to get Y and S's data sheets if you're at H too, and vice versa. Look at some hard data before you call oci hopeless.
If you want to be a lawyer I don't think you should drop out. If you're just in law school because hey it was there, I dunno. But it's worth doing oci I'm guessing.
Edit: also if you do want to be a lawyer and like litigation and strike out at OCI start setting yourself up to clerk. Not at all unheard of for people who struck out or got latham'd to play their way back in after one or two clerkships.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922533&forum_id=2#28226083) |
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Date: June 29th, 2015 10:05 PM Author: garnet university
I'm RAing for this Rhodes/Marshall-->YLS-->SCOTUS prof who's helped a former student (now a T14 tenured prof) land a feeder CoA clerkship despite the student's self-professed low grades. That former student then killed it at that feeder clerkship and went on to SCOTUS.
I gunned pretty hard in his class toward the end, mostly to cop dat RA gig. But I blew it with him gradewise.
Can I actually gun back to respectability for 3L hiring or a clerkship? Do V-firms consider apps from HYS/EDNY clerks who didnt do a 2LSA there, or will my resume just get tossed into the black hole?
If so, how?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922533&forum_id=2#28226718) |
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Date: June 29th, 2015 6:02 PM Author: garnet university
I did and if you havent been able to tell, I've completely reversed course on that stuff. You can even call me a crusader against the fraudlies of "doctors."
But I am where I am, and yes you told me so. No one to blame but myself.
Where to go from here?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922533&forum_id=2#28225212) |
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Date: June 29th, 2015 6:38 PM Author: garnet university
HYS are need grant schools, but with base loans of ~45K/yr 1 of my parents literally has been enjoying EBT & Medicaid and the other isn't doing much better, so family contribution = 0.
So ~135K at graduation, pre interest. Maybe less because that assumes the standard CoL budget, while I'm, err, very minimalist re room & board & otherwise mandatory school insurance obviated by copping dat MA/CT/CA ACA expanded Medicaid.
May be eligible for EBT for my 2L year.
And yet, I still care about emerging from OCI with my head held high and not between my legs.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922533&forum_id=2#28225416) |
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Date: June 29th, 2015 8:18 PM Author: garnet university
Lol my level of fortitude. I suppose in some ways I've soldiered on with rough hide. Yet in another sense, I am where I am because of some poor choices in moments of great weakness.
TY for the words of encouragement, but encouragement doesn't erase pasts like Martoma.
In a vacuum I'd be fine with LI/NJ midlaw (if they even come to OCI), but a primary consideration is not being embarrassed to face my "friends."
You available to chat off-bort?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922533&forum_id=2#28225977) |
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Date: June 29th, 2015 10:09 PM Author: garnet university
Satellite NYC office? Like a firm based mostly in DC/Chicago/CA but has an NYC office?
Or truly mid/shitlaw like Neva-Hearda-It LLP, Madison, NJ?
Basically I just want to avoid my "friends" thinking "he's only going there because he was too dumb/lazy to cop Cravath, which incidentally is where I'm going"
Not just for ego but because I want them to think and remember me as competent 10yrs down the road
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922533&forum_id=2#28226744) |
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Date: June 29th, 2015 10:18 PM Author: garnet university
100% not flame. I'd poast my transcript if it didnt out me & if I werent so embarassed by it.
I've also talked to a few HYSmos offbort at length who can vouch for my not being flame if they happen to be reading this.
What can you, an H alum, tell me that Career Services can't? With them, there are politeness norms, institutional brand to preserve. You: no holds barred.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922533&forum_id=2#28226809) |
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Date: June 29th, 2015 10:36 PM Author: translucent pungent main people
Don't worry about what your friends think. You're not going to pretend your way into telling them you work at cravath so stop saying weird stuff about how you want your classmates to think you're competent and work at WLRK or something. Your grades are your grades.
Focus on getting a $160k job. When I was in law school it wasn't all that uncommon for someone to turn down a high rank firm for something more "chill" (although that took a lot of unfortunate souls to Latham instead of DPW).
Middling grades can also pull off the occasional Jones Day or Fried Frank. Apply broadly guided by CSO data. I don't know what else to say without repeating myself.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922533&forum_id=2#28226968) |
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Date: June 29th, 2015 10:58 PM Author: garnet university
I figure if I go to my UG market, there's no getting out. The city itself is SPS.
How Satellite are we talking? Are we talking Sidley, whose Chicago office is great but its NYC office SPS, but still tolerable because it trades on the Sidley name?
Or are we talking a firm HQed in Pittsburgh no one's ever heard of, which happens to have an NY office?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922533&forum_id=2#28227177) |
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Date: June 29th, 2015 10:40 PM Author: garnet university
Well the easy culprit to point the finger at is Adderall for fucking me up on testday (but ultimately that's on me for falling into this fraud).
So I don't know how much I can figure out what's wrong and fix.
But do I just hide my head for all of 2L year, too ashamed, until I'm ready to reemerge for 3L jobs? What do I say to my classmates who ask?
How bright or dim are my prospects for 3L/postgrad if I improve slightly? If significantly?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922533&forum_id=2#28227004) |
Date: June 29th, 2015 10:50 PM Author: irradiated generalized bond lay
What the hell does 'bottom of the class" mean?
If it's straight Ps (which I believe is bottom 1/3 or so of the class) - you have a shot. If you have LPs or whatever, I think you're sort of fucked.
Also MBB is harder to get than biglaw...and the lifestyle blows just as much because you travel like 1/3 of the year.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922533&forum_id=2#28227105) |
Date: July 1st, 2015 10:47 AM Author: aromatic french chef
Don't worry about your classmates' opinion. If you are really at the bottom of the class, then you won't likely be running into them again professionally that much anyway.
I can remember meeting with my 1L section at the end of 3L, and a chick proposed that everyone go around and report where they were going to work after graduation. I hadn't found a job yet, and I thought, Good Lord, how insensitive that someone would suggest such a conversation. But I dutifully mumbled something about not having found a job yet, and the looks of schadenfreude I received from my "classmates" haunt me to this day. Most of those people are POS I'll never associate with, and they are not counselors today, could not even help someone with a speeding ticket, and served a few years as proofreaders before doing something else completely. Don't worry about their opinion. They are already in a receding parallel universe, in effect. And plan for a hard couple of years until you get your game.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922533&forum_id=2#28237590) |
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Date: July 1st, 2015 3:33 PM Author: garnet university
"Plan for a hard couple years until you get your game."
Fuck my ass. Any hope of gunning my way back to respectability before 2L ends? By 3L recruiting? Before graduation? Ever?
If yes to any of those, how?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922533&forum_id=2#28239466) |
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Date: July 1st, 2015 8:41 PM Author: Pea-brained double fault
How do you know you're bottom of the class? Median after 1L is roughly 3 H's (maybe 4, but closer to 3, assuming all H's in 4-credit classes).
How would you even know what Median is upon graduation? You can only know if you're top 40%.
Your plan should be to get a respectable number of H's sprinkled in your transcripts moving forward. You're not somehow going to gun your way to top 1/3rd from bottom at HYS.
You should also do OCI. People swing V-20 with all P's.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922533&forum_id=2#28241201)
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Date: July 24th, 2015 2:21 AM Author: soul-stirring ungodly casino pocket flask
Low vault firms will be happy to take you.
But this is really an opportunity to do gov 2L summer.
If you still really want to do a firm even after interning in gov, you can always work your butt off, get your grades up, and do 3L interviewing (this market has come back and seems to be getting stronger). And you will always have gov as an exit option (KEEP IN TOUCH with people from your 2L summer) when you hate law firm life (which you will).
Also take the un exam if you have any interest in "international law."
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2922533&forum_id=2#28401590) |
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