How big is POTUS 2016?
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Date: July 15th, 2015 9:19 AM Author: Boyish meetinghouse french chef
When was the last election with this high of stakes?
I think clearly the two parties haven't been this far apart recently, if ever.
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Date: July 15th, 2015 10:33 AM Author: Boyish meetinghouse french chef
That's why I thought the GOP hysterics over Obama were so funny.
Obama and Romney are both pragmatic centrists. Romney just happens to also be a huge tool.
Did you read the Bartlett article classifying Obama as a conservative? Obviously Bruce has an agenda but I still think the points in it are fairly straightforward.
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Date: July 15th, 2015 10:47 AM Author: Swashbuckling forum
Are you kidding? Romney may be a centrist but he believes in markets and capitalism and low taxes. For instance, his solution to health care would be more privatization, relaxed regulation, etc. He's also deeply religious and would likely have relied on religious morality in his presidency.
Obama despises markets and capitalism and believes in centralized, planned authority, high taxes, and maximal government control. He is also non-religious.
They are very, very different people, and political leaders.
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Date: July 15th, 2015 10:32 AM Author: pearly indecent pit water buffalo
i'm guessing you're a millennial who probably wasn't paying that much attention back in '04 (not your fault - you were just too young to care back then). objectively, 2004 was the biggest of all those. bush had just narrowly won without a majority of popular vote, country was more closely divided than ever (including now), terrorists had just attacked NYC and Washington, we'd gotten into two wars in iraq and afghanistan, the economy was struggling, everyone knew JPS was about to retire so the winner of the election would get an important SOCUTS pick. there was just way more happening back then. today, economy is much better, the country as a whole tends to favor dems more than republicans, Al Queda is largely defeated, ISIS isn't the same level of threat to US interests, and there's no impending SCOTUS pick besides Ginsburg's seat, and she will retire before Obama leaves office.
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Date: July 15th, 2015 10:34 AM Author: Boyish meetinghouse french chef
I agree that 2004 was bigger than the Obama ones but I still think 2000 was bigger than 2004 and probably the last big election. SCOTUS is a good point but most of the damage bush did was already underway by 2004, in my mind.
No comment on the millenial designation.
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Date: July 15th, 2015 10:28 AM Author: glittery marketing idea
Bruthe Thpringthteen endorsed Kerry in 04, his first ever political endorsement, because it was "the most important election in our lifetimes, maybe everrrr"
Having said that, this is likely the last time GOPers will actually believe they could win, but won't. They will survive as a party for a few more POTUS elections, shrivelled and inching towards 25%, and then there will be a hard reallignment as the Dem coalition fractures into two parties: complete shitlibs and new-normals.
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Date: July 15th, 2015 10:44 AM Author: Twinkling Trailer Park Volcanic Crater
Not that important.
Any Hillary presidency will be thoroughly owned by Republicans controlling at least the House the entire time, and the Senate at least from 2018 onwards.
It's a bit bigger of a deal for Republicans to win, but even then, there doesn't seem to be anything particularly high stakes about this election. Obama's biggest accomplishment (Obamacare) is more or less firmly entrenched at this point and there aren't any nationwide pressure points that raise the stakes in the election. 2016 will be more 1992-2000 than 2004-2012.
Playing the long game it might be better for Republicans to lose in 2016. With a strong midterm (inevitable) they're looking at double digit Senate gains with a strong chance of winning in 2020 due to fatigue after 12 years of Democratic rule.
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Date: July 15th, 2015 2:10 PM Author: Vibrant metal black woman parlour
Hillary is going to win in a landslide with 95% of the minority vote, so whether or not you think it is a "big" election, it won't be interesting at all.
The media is starting to shit themselves over the thought that no one is going to care enough to watch 24/7 news coverage.
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Date: July 15th, 2015 2:23 PM Author: balding national
other than the scotus implications this is NO different than any other election
In hindsight 2000 was the most important because neocon's retarded middle east policy set us back huge
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