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Date: July 25th, 2015 2:50 PM Author: hideous lime market dingle berry so I started 20 mg Adderall three months ago. that didn't have a huge effect that I could tell and I forgot to take it a lot (for what it's worth, think I actually do legitimately have very severe add). some appetite suppression. some dry mouth. i built up a decentish stockpile and a month ago started taking 40 mg er. holy shit has it changed everything. like... everything. I'm losing weight. (which is good. have about 30 lb to lose and never think about food). and I'm a machine at work. I use to be able to concentrate only with a lot of pressure, and that became more and more extreme- to the point where i couldn't do shit until I'd already missed a first deadline. now I'm starting things like... when i get them. i feel happier. i don't know if it's cause of the drugs, or cause life is going better. don't feel like panicky or high, but calm, focused and with a tiny bit of edge. like energized, but nothing i haven't felt naturally. just not that often. still sleeping well. actually better than ever because i can feel it fading at the end of the day and just want to crash. it's even making me more social. is that a thing? i had social anxiety in high school. and i don't think it's like diagnosable now or anything- i can work socialize. i like keeping up with friends. but it just takes so much energy. and I've been looking up randoms i haven't seen in five years to catch up and actually enjoying it.
ok, but my prescription's still only 20 mg, and I'm afraid doc won't up it to 40. don't have enough to take 40 indefinitely, so last couple weekends, i haven't been taking any. and woah. like I'm not unhappy or anything. but i sleep like 15 hours of the day. exhausted. for no good reason. and i don't do anything i need to do, be it cleaning, work, errands- anything.
it's only been like 3 months. am i dependent already? does it sound like I'm taking too much? i don't feel like I'm abusing it or addicted. but i am realizing this could be an incredibly seductive drug for me, since it seems to address every single one of the things i struggle most with (energy, focus, social comfort, weight, mood). could i still be in the euphoric period? what are the chances i lose this amazingness?
and what would you do? keep not using it daily to avoid dependence? confess to doc that taking more than prescribed and risk determination I'm abusing it? he already knows both mom, bro and half my aunts and uncles are alcoholics. I've never had an issue. but also never, never thought something could make this much difference in my life. i feel like me. but my best me at all times vs like, the me that sometimes surfaces once per month under tons of stress. |
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Date: July 25th, 2015 2:52 PM Author: Arousing dragon boiling water can't tell if flame...but there's a difference between 20mg ir and xr. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2945728&forum_id=2#28410157) |
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Date: July 25th, 2015 2:54 PM Author: hideous lime market dingle berry not flame. it's xr. i imagine ir is more intense and shorter? i really don't want to feel anything more intense than this. not going for a high. but i don't want to lose the way i feel on 40 mg. it's perfect. and i hear people build up a tolerance pretty quickly, so that makes me nervous. it's so amazing to feel competent and functional instead of losing a credit card or id or phone once per week, living in a sty, and making it through big law only as a result of lots of lying, lots of flying under the radar and periods of desperate flailing stress where I crank things out when I can finally focus, invariably too late and half assed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2945728&forum_id=2#28410168) |
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Date: July 25th, 2015 3:04 PM Author: Razzle vengeful jew public bath When people talk about tolerance, they are mostly referring to the euphoric feeling. The benefits with respect to focus and intensity remain, though perhaps somewhat diminished.
I don't know if you saw the other thread, but you should seriously consider taking magnesium supplement asap. Once the damage is done, it is more or less irreversible. |
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Date: July 25th, 2015 3:07 PM Author: hideous lime market dingle berry I didn't. what's the magnesium for? I mean, I guess I could deal with no euphoria (though by euphoria I really just mean general sense of well being) just as long as I could still function like a normal adult who does shit that needs to get done.
but how long does the euphoria tend to take to go away? did have a learning curve on the 40 mg though. still had to go to work and dive straight into work in the morning, instead of detouring to news or facebook (just for a few minutes). cause there goes the day. |
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Date: July 25th, 2015 3:07 PM Author: Arousing dragon boiling water You shouldn't double up on XR, it's hard on your body (have nothing to base that on but anecdote). xrs tend to increase anxiety for me. If you don't want to worry about tolerance, it's not uncommon to be prescribed a low dose ir for the afternoons. I'd imagine for 20xr (which is 10mg immediately released and 10mg released of the following 5ish hours) you'd get 10mg ir for the afternoon, so you don't double up on xrs. To really not build tolerance, split ir's in half sometimes.
If you have legit adhd you have to maintain a solid diet and try to exercise in the evening when the adderall is wearing off. Increase your magnesium intake, b vitamins, and protein b/c stims are fucking harsh. |
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Date: July 25th, 2015 3:10 PM Author: hideous lime market dingle berry so am I imagining the fact that I feel more calm and social? does that never happen? I really have never felt so good and calm and happy and energized so consistently.
I was never a depressed person. but I was a total slug. with 0 motivation. went to a total of six classes in second and third years of law school, and only made it through cause law school is perfect for people who can't get shit together except twice per year under intense cramming pressure. |
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Date: July 25th, 2015 3:27 PM Author: Arousing dragon boiling water No, you're not imagining it. And this is all based on if you have legit adhd, but that means (if you're not speedy) that you're at the right dose and that's how normies feel. That's not euphoria. The euphoria is when you feel like opening 5 business and can take over the world. That lasts (if at all) for like 3 days. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2945728&forum_id=2#28410363) |
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Date: July 25th, 2015 3:35 PM Author: cream stag film halford normal people do not feel energized and go-getter all day, dude. if they did many more people would have striver jobs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2945728&forum_id=2#28410390) |
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Date: July 25th, 2015 3:49 PM Author: slippery mewling giraffe Nah, if you feel like opening 5 businesses and taking over the world you are on way too much. The Euphoria is a chill sort of satisfaction with what you are doing and accomplishing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2945728&forum_id=2#28410465) |
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Date: July 25th, 2015 3:11 PM Author: hideous lime market dingle berry so is 20 like a reasonable dose of xr? my impression was that it was fairly low. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2945728&forum_id=2#28410265) |
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Date: July 25th, 2015 3:22 PM Author: Arousing dragon boiling water 20xr is pretty normal for an adult male. I prefer ir...easier on my body and easier for me to control how how strong it is, crash is worse, but xr's seem to be more "artificial" for lack of a better description. You have to order the dose, but 12.5 ir has pretty much been the right strength. Doc did a solid and prescribed 3x a day as needed. Usually only take half unless there's something that requires a little extra push. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2945728&forum_id=2#28410332) |
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Date: July 25th, 2015 3:16 PM Author: Arousing dragon boiling water Oh and you're withdrawing if you're sleeping 15 hours a day. Don't worry, it only lasts a week, then you'll prob. get that euphoria again next time you take your adderall. If you're seeking that euphoria though, you're dependent and addicted. If you're a normal bro trying to save his brain, you're ok.
Also if you have legit adhd, you have a dopamine disorder meaning the normal rules to stim use dont really apply to you. Normies w/o fucked up dopamine/serotonin/norepinephrine pathways will get tweaked out on adderall. Their experience isn't the same as someone with adhd. If you take too much, yeah you can get tweaked out, but if you have the right dose, you'll pretty much function the way the rest of the world does. |
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Date: July 25th, 2015 3:19 PM Author: chestnut nudist address pervert true. i think this dude has probably been taking a bit too much, though. stepping up from 20 to 40 isn't reasonable. he should try the 30's for a while. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2945728&forum_id=2#28410318) |
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Date: July 25th, 2015 3:21 PM Author: hideous lime market dingle berry yeah, that's what has worried me. I didn't think I was in danger of abusing it. like it's not like I'm sitting her jonesing for it. no mental resistance to deciding not to take it today. but I am exhausted. I slept at 9pm last night and woke up at 8 and already took a nap. and it hasn't been a hard week. I've had plenty of sleep- the only difference is not taking Adderall today.
if I keep not taking it on the weekends, will that make it so I stop withdrawing? like my body won't get habituated? or will I go through this every weekend cause that seems pretty awful and unsustainable.
I mean, I like feeling good. I'm in awe of how this seems to make my life better on every front, and it'd be disingenuous to parse it out and say, no I don't like weight loss, liking socializing or feeling calm and confident and energized every single day. I'm taking it only for the concentration.
but really, it is like a miracle for me. I'm just so nervous cause addiction does run in my family, and that's something I really don't need on top of everything else. think I'm gonna have to be careful with this, especially if I start finding it slowly lose effectiveness. temptation would be really high to misuse. |
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Date: July 25th, 2015 3:18 PM Author: chestnut nudist address pervert tell your doctor that you don't think the adderall is working as well anymore, and you'd like to experiment with 30mg. usually the doctor will be receptive as long as your heart rate isn't exploding. try that for a while, instead of 40mg. 40mg is way too much, man. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2945728&forum_id=2#28410310) |
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Date: July 25th, 2015 9:02 PM Author: hideous lime market dingle berry hm. yeah. maybe 30 would be enough. i found a gp who doesn't care and i think would give me more easily. but i'm kind of tempted to go back to the psych just cause it really is both so life changing, and i so don't wanna fuck it up. i mean, i know i'm not addicted now- probably physically dependent at least. but could so see it happening. and then i'm even worse off. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2945728&forum_id=2#28411830) |
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Date: July 25th, 2015 9:04 PM Author: chestnut nudist address pervert you'll be using this shit for the next 40 years. you want to use the minimum dosage that has an effect, and only increase as necessary. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2945728&forum_id=2#28411851) |
Date: July 25th, 2015 3:21 PM Author: slippery mewling giraffe There is a comedown period. After using it for a several days in a row if you stop, you will feel lethargic and not necessarily bad but not good either.
Generally, it's not good to take regularly if you are a normal bro. Fine to get yourself though a week of finals, or the bar, or maybe a big project, but if you take it every day you build up a tolerance and it won't be as effective, you will feel like you need it to do even minor stuff, and if you go a few days without it then it's like being hungover or something and you aren't effective or in a great mindset.
Use only when needed man. |
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Date: July 25th, 2015 3:24 PM Author: hideous lime market dingle berry I need it all the time I think :-/ really the whole reason I went to the psych in the first place was that I was that I'd gotten to the point of not functioning.
used to be I could function when pressure and focus pretty well for a short period. but I think I built up a tolerance to that pressure. now I have to fucking be in danger of losing my job to send a work email (not really that exaggerated). |
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Date: July 25th, 2015 3:30 PM Author: slippery mewling giraffe I mean if you are gonna be fired in the next 6 months without this, then yea who cares if you abuse it. Worst that happens is you flame out into some rehab thing and lose your job, but if you are gonna lose it anyway then not much point in worrying.
If you actually have ADHD then none of this really applies. But if you just hate being a lawyer like the rest of us, know that using adderall every day won't pay off in the long run. I'd recommend maybe a M-W-F schedule and see if you can get enough done those 3 days to cover you for the week. |
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Date: July 25th, 2015 3:25 PM Author: Maize Toaster Patrolman congrats you're addicted to stimulants (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2945728&forum_id=2#28410348) |
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Date: July 25th, 2015 3:29 PM Author: Arousing dragon boiling water Not really true. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2945728&forum_id=2#28410371) |
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Date: July 25th, 2015 3:38 PM Author: cream stag film halford yes, it is
there is zero solid proof for the dopamine hypothesis re:adhd. at best we've seen that dopamine levels are a *bit* off in *some* adhd patients; adhd is a disorder, not a disease. that is, it is a classification of broadly similar SYMPTOMS--a stimulant is a way to address the symptom, not necessarily the underlying cause (which almost certainly varies from a genuine neurological disorder to behavioral patterns). just because amphetamines screw with dopamine does not necessarily mean you have a dopamine deficiency, but rather that you find the effect beneficial. |
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Date: July 25th, 2015 3:39 PM Author: lascivious goyim genital piercing dunno but that fucking wall of text leads me to believe you're ON adderall (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2945728&forum_id=2#28410414) |
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Date: July 25th, 2015 3:40 PM Author: cream stag film halford (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2945728&forum_id=2#28410418) |
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Date: July 25th, 2015 9:07 PM Author: Walnut passionate rehab milk damn it, you beat me to it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2945728&forum_id=2#28411864) |