discuss

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2948816&forum_id=2#28436844)

- The best two schools in the U.S.

- Possibly the best two schools in the world

- Better than Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Princeton, MIT, et cetera

...and I'm the dumbass?

EDIT: Also, literally the first line in the Wikipedia article and the official websites for both Williams and Pomona identify them as LACs. Done talking with you unless you say something interesting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2948816&forum_id=2#28436905)

Like, just as one example, how many applicants or professors would take Pomona over HYPMS?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2948816&forum_id=2#28441537)

"The Scholar" picked it over all those

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2948816&forum_id=2#28441544)

2. Malcolm Stevenson Forbes College

3. Stanford

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2948816&forum_id=2#28442010)

CALTECH

YALE/PRINCETON/COLUMBIA

CHICAGO/NORTHWESTERN/DUKE

CAL/MICH/UT/UIUC/CMU/GA TECH

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2948816&forum_id=2#28437933)

US News is designed to keep a tight and consistent grip over the rankings. They move JUST ENOUGH so they can sell magazines. But they are consistent as to give the image that they are, circularly of course, rooted in some tradition and order. It makes it seem more legit.

The USNWR mags are designed to sell to T1/urban elite parents and kids and they know this. So they cannot change the methodology, which benefits pretty much 2 things: selectivity of the school and how much $ it has.

No one can honestly argue that selectivity is NOT correlated with quality of school. But US News makes it disproportionately the most important thing. Hurts public schools, good ones too, and benefits sneaky, manipulative private schools. From WUSTL's gaming in the 00s to the "rise" of like, Washington and Lee and Wake Forest and NYU -- it's ridiculous.

Forbes has a really interesting methodology and although I doubt Pomona is America's best school, I like seeing Emory at like 90. That is probably right.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2948816&forum_id=2#28438059)

I stand by my statement.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2948816&forum_id=2#28441440)

I generally agree with your point though, although I still feel like there is a bit of an internal ranking within tiers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2948816&forum_id=2#28441524)

But in my mind it is also a poor choice over schools like UVA/UNC. And if you really want that fun college experience, yeah UGA. Or if you want a tech school, something like Ga Tech.

What does Emory offer other that its US News ranking?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2948816&forum_id=2#28441621)

Isn't that sorta my point though? Why strive to go a place like Emory if you can go somewhere more fun? Emory ain't Princeton.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2948816&forum_id=2#28441691)

it boggles my mind that grown men such as yourself think that a boy should consider this kind of thing when he is choosing a university. he will be 17 and not even old enough to really experience relations, which should come later.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2948816&forum_id=2#28441754)

Rank Name State Cost Total Student Population

#1 Pomona College California $62,632 1,610

#2 Williams College Massachusetts $64,020 2,150

#3 Stanford University California $62,801 18,346

#4 Princeton University New Jersey $58,965 8,014

#5 Yale University Connecticut $63,970 12,109

#6 Harvard University Massachusetts $62,250 28,297

#7 Swarthmore College Pennsylvania $62,450 1,534

#8 Brown University Rhode Island $62,694 8,943

#9 Amherst College Massachusetts $64,006 1,785

#10 Massachusetts Institute of Technology Massachusetts $61,030 11,301

#11 United States Military Academy New York $0 4,591

#12 University of Pennsylvania Pennsylvania $64,200 24,630

#13 University of Notre Dame Indiana $62,461 12,124

#14 Dartmouth College New Hampshire $65,133 6,342

#15 Columbia University New York $66,604 26,957

#16 Northwestern University Illinois $65,519 21,592

#17 Wesleyan University Connecticut $64,163 3,205

#18 Claremont McKenna College California $64,215 1,328

#19 Haverford College Pennsylvania $64,226 1,187

#20 University of Chicago Illinois $67,572 15,048

#21 Bowdoin College Maine $61,650 1,795

#22 Duke University North Carolina $63,999 15,467

#23 Georgetown University District of Columbia $64,540 17,849

#24 Tufts University Massachusetts $63,400 10,872

#25 Cornell University New York $63,606 21,593

#26 Wellesley College Massachusetts $61,088 2,474

#27 United States Naval Academy Maryland $0 4,526

#28 Vassar College New York $63,390 2,477

#29 Washington and Lee University Virginia $60,084 2,277

#30 Carleton College Minnesota $62,465 2,045

#31 Davidson College North Carolina $60,921 1,788

#32 Rice University Texas $56,316 6,628

#33 California Institute of Technology California $60,990 2,181

#34 Middlebury College Vermont $61,160 2,495

#35 University of California, Berkeley California $57,234 36,198

#36 University of Virginia Virginia $56,196 23,464

#37 Boston College Massachusetts $63,022 14,309

#38 United States Air Force Academy Colorado $0 3,993

#39 College of William & Mary Virginia $53,435 8,376

#40 Colgate University New York $62,405 2,900

#41 University of Michigan, Ann Arbor Michigan $55,404 43,710

#42 Barnard College New York $63,220 2,489

#43 Bucknell University Pennsylvania $63,040 3,608

#44 Colby College Maine $61,100 1,820

#45 University of California, Los Angeles California $55,856 40,795

#46 Oberlin College Ohio $64,396 2,911

#47 Vanderbilt University Tennessee $62,320 12,757

#48 Kenyon College Ohio $62,160 1,705

#49 University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill North Carolina $50,732 29,127

#50 Whitman College Washington $58,228 1,541

#51 Hamilton College New York $61,770 1,926

#52 Reed College Oregon $61,910 1,411

#53 Lafayette College Pennsylvania $61,905 2,486

#54 Smith College Massachusetts $62,330 3,033

#55 College of the Holy Cross Massachusetts $59,642 2,912

#56 Carnegie Mellon University Pennsylvania $63,822 12,367

#57 Harvey Mudd College California $66,627 807

#58 Franklin and Marshall College Pennsylvania $63,269 2,297

#59 Wake Forest University North Carolina $62,538 7,602

#60 University of Rochester New York $63,268 11,020

#61 Colorado College Colorado $60,500 2,061

#62 Johns Hopkins University Maryland $63,529 20,918

#63 Washington University in St. Louis Missouri $66,376 14,032

#64 Bryn Mawr College Pennsylvania $61,890 1,738

#65 Grinnell College Iowa $59,317 1,721

#66 Union College New York $62,205 2,246

#67 Macalester College Minnesota $59,743 2,039

#68 University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign Illinois $44,194 44,942

#69 University of Wisconsin, Madison Wisconsin $40,644 42,677

#70 Bates College Maine $62,770 1,791

#71 University of Southern California California $64,694 41,368

#72 Villanova University Pennsylvania $60,694 10,696

#73 Cooper Union New York $60,345 920

#74 Lehigh University Pennsylvania $58,835 7,096

#75 Brandeis University Massachusetts $63,250 5,825

#76 University of Washington Washington $47,817 43,762

#77 New York University New York $66,022 44,599

#78 DePauw University Indiana $55,896 2,304

#79 Emory University Georgia $61,344 14,513

#80 Scripps College California $63,740 1,009

#81 Trinity College Connecticut $64,256 2,390

#82 University of Texas, Austin Texas $51,352 52,059

#83 University of Florida Florida $42,831 49,878

#84 Sewanee—University of the South Tennessee $49,700 1,701

#85 Santa Clara University California $61,638 8,770

#86 Wheaton College Illinois $43,740 2,993

#87 Dickinson College Pennsylvania $62,289 2,396

#88 Skidmore College New York $62,750 2,702

#89 Centre College Kentucky $49,460 1,381

#90 Georgia Institute of Technology Georgia $44,052 21,471

#91 Boston University Massachusetts $63,644 32,411

#92 Connecticut College Connecticut $62,895 1,922

#93 University of Maryland, College Park Maryland $44,645 37,272

#94 Occidental College California $64,804 2,128

#95 Mount Holyoke College Massachusetts $57,046 2,251

#96 Denison University Ohio $58,700 2,274

#97 Wofford College South Carolina $51,504 1,615

#98 Rhodes College Tennessee $55,644 2,040

#99 University of Richmond Virginia $59,630 4,140

#100 Trinity University Texas $50,550 2,358

#101 United States Coast Guard Academy Connecticut $2,393 902

#102 University of Georgia Georgia $40,890 34,536

#103 University of California, Santa Barbara California $57,631 22,225

#104 Brigham Young University Utah $17,818 31,123

#105 Kalamazoo College Michigan $52,654 1,458

#106 Saint Olaf College Minnesota $53,100 3,125

#107 George Washington University District of Columbia $63,210 25,264

#108 Southern Methodist University Texas $63,985 10,929

#109 Pitzer College California $63,750 1,081

#110 Furman University South Carolina $59,051 2,953

#111 Gettysburg College Pennsylvania $60,320 2,524

#112 Indiana University, Bloomington Indiana $47,270 46,817

#113 Case Western Reserve University Ohio $59,634 10,325

#114 University of Colorado, Boulder Colorado $52,387 32,017

#115 Saint John's College (MD) Maryland $60,376 490

#116 Hampshire College Massachusetts $62,015 1,492

#117 Earlham College Indiana $54,470 1,159

#118 Sarah Lawrence College New York $66,392 1,782

#119 Bennington College Vermont $64,019 738

#120 Hobart and William Smith Colleges New York $62,034 2,372

#121 University of California, Davis California $56,637 33,307

#122 Virginia Tech Virginia $41,868 31,205

#123 University of California, San Diego California $54,132 29,517

#124 College of the Atlantic Maine $51,471 370

#125 Bard College New York $64,712 2,355

#126 Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute New York $64,198 6,714

#127 University of Miami Florida $62,854 16,935

#128 Pepperdine University California $63,482 7,315

#129 Lawrence University Wisconsin $53,790 1,553

#130 University of Minnesota, Twin Cities Minnesota $32,924 51,526

#131 Virginia Military Institute Virginia $49,096 1,675

#132 Providence College Rhode Island $59,110 4,665

#133 Saint Lawrence University New York $61,632 2,506

#134 Tulane University Louisiana $63,108 12,938

#135 American University District of Columbia $59,120 12,818

#136 Purdue University, West Lafayette Indiana $41,804 39,794

#137 Hendrix College Arkansas $54,302 1,444

#138 Willamette University Oregon $57,046 2,855

#139 Colorado School of Mines Colorado $48,097 5,790

#140 College of Wooster Ohio $55,500 2,116

#141 Syracuse University New York $59,320 21,267

#142 University of Delaware Delaware $44,550 22,166

#143 University of Denver Colorado $57,498 11,778

#144 Muhlenberg College Pennsylvania $57,030 2,448

#145 Drake University Iowa $46,316 5,139

#146 Rutgers University, New Brunswick New Jersey $44,711 48,036

#147 University of California, Irvine California $54,455 28,895

#148 Lewis & Clark College Oregon $57,690 3,521

#149 Loyola Marymount University California $58,851 9,661

#150 Texas A&M University, College Station Texas $39,873 55,697

#151 Worcester Polytechnic Institute Massachusetts $59,504 6,296

#152 Pennsylvania State University, University Park Pennsylvania $47,548 46,615

#153 Fordham University New York $65,330 15,097

#154 SUNY, Binghamton (Binghamton University) New York $35,288 16,077

#155 Ohio State University, Columbus Ohio $42,285 57,466

#156 University of Vermont Vermont $51,322 12,723

#157 Marquette University Wisconsin $50,237 11,782

#158 Beloit College Wisconsin $52,270 1,306

#159 Hope College Michigan $41,210 3,388

#160 Elon University North Carolina $45,414 6,305

#161 Loyola University Maryland Maryland $59,925 5,977

#162 University of Connecticut Connecticut $48,454 25,911

#163 Clark University Massachusetts $50,280 3,551

#164 California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo California $35,843 19,703

#165 Knox College Illinois $51,121 1,424

#166 University of Redlands California $60,874 5,147

#167 Miami University, Oxford Ohio $45,527 17,901

#168 Wabash College Indiana $49,380 902

#169 University of Puget Sound Washington $57,908 2,812

#170 Michigan State University Michigan $47,115 49,317

#171 Wheaton College Massachusetts $60,263 1,654

#172 Clemson University South Carolina $47,166 21,303

#173 University of Tulsa Oklahoma $52,055 4,597

#174 University of Portland Oregon $56,202 4,036

#175 University of California, Santa Cruz California $57,104 17,203

#176 Westmont College California $55,570 1,321

#177 CUNY, City College New York $34,087 15,331

#178 Creighton University Nebraska $49,356 8,019

#179 Juniata College Pennsylvania $51,190 1,635

#180 North Carolina State University, Raleigh North Carolina $38,209 34,009

#181 Fairfield University Connecticut $59,840 4,919

#182 College of New Jersey New Jersey $41,406 7,340

#183 Calvin College Michigan $42,620 4,034

#184 Gustavus Adolphus College Minnesota $51,540 2,449

#185 James Madison University Virginia $38,872 20,181

#186 Hillsdale College Michigan $0 undefined

#187 Gonzaga University Washington $50,501 7,605

#188 Emerson College Massachusetts $55,846 4,561

#189 Bentley University Massachusetts $58,860 5,658

#190 Saint Michael's College Vermont $52,155 2,378

#191 Louisiana State University Louisiana $41,867 30,478

#192 Saint John's University (MN) Minnesota $50,384 1,979

#193 University of Utah Utah $39,959 32,077

#194 Southwestern University Texas $49,090 1,535

#195 College of Idaho Idaho $36,579 1,122

#196 Transylvania University Kentucky $45,760 1,082

#197 Baylor University Texas $53,960 15,616

#198 Manhattan College New York $54,128 3,883

#199 University of Iowa Iowa $40,191 29,748

#200 University of Arizona Arizona $43,621 40,621

#201 University of San Diego California $59,729 8,321

#202 Saint Mary's College of Maryland Maryland $43,350 1,858

#203 Ursinus College Pennsylvania $60,902 1,596

#204 Clarkson University New York $59,922 3,726

#205 Hampden-Sydney College Virginia $54,266 1,070

#206 Whitworth University Washington $50,329 2,569

#207 University of Massachusetts, Amherst Massachusetts $42,355 28,518

#208 Saint Louis University Missouri $54,684 17,343

#209 Yeshiva University New York $56,555 6,747

#210 Texas Christian University Texas $53,730 9,925

#211 Florida State University Florida $36,765 40,909

#212 University of Pittsburgh Pennsylvania $43,360 28,649

#213 United States Merchant Marine Academy New York $8,229 985

#214 Wittenberg University Ohio $50,562 1,979

#215 Saint Joseph's University Pennsylvania $57,021 8,954

#216 University of San Francisco California $60,170 10,112

#217 University of South Carolina, Columbia South Carolina $43,847 31,964

#218 Auburn University Alabama $46,348 24,864

#219 University of New Hampshire New Hampshire $43,730 14,913

#220 University of Dayton Ohio $51,320 10,835

#221 Samford University Alabama $42,270 4,833

#222 The Catholic University of America District of Columbia $57,144 6,725

#223 Goucher College Maryland $55,338 2,111

#224 Grove City College Pennsylvania $25,872 2,491

#225 John Carroll University Ohio $50,090 3,711

#226 Stevens Institute of Technology New Jersey $61,430 5,784

#227 University of Oklahoma, Norman Oklahoma $36,729 27,292

#228 Saint Mary's College of California California $59,327 4,257

#229 New College of Florida Florida $43,101 793

#230 University of Missouri, Columbia Missouri $38,624 34,616

#231 University of Saint Thomas Minnesota $49,600 10,192

#232 University of Oregon Oregon $45,375 24,473

#233 Taylor University Indiana $40,821 2,245

#234 Valparaiso University Indiana $47,760 4,508

#235 University of Wyoming Wyoming $28,921 12,778

#236 Presbyterian College South Carolina $47,872 1,433

#237 Saint Mary's College Indiana $49,300 1,479

#238 Hanover College Indiana $45,773 1,163

#239 Ohio Wesleyan University Ohio $57,650 1,830

#240 University of Scranton Pennsylvania $56,590 5,633

#241 Butler University Indiana $51,072 4,827

#242 Allegheny College Pennsylvania $53,980 2,161

#243 College of the Ozarks Missouri $27,976 1,513

#244 Northeastern University Massachusetts $60,290 20,053

#245 Albion College Michigan $49,685 1,307

#246 Stonehill College Massachusetts $54,216 2,481

#247 Luther College Iowa $49,775 2,466

#248 Ithaca College New York $57,251 6,723

#249 San Diego State University California $37,318 31,899

#250 George Mason University Virginia $45,648 33,917

#251 Bradley University Illinois $43,630 5,430

#252 Rollins College Florida $62,493 3,153

#253 Illinois Wesleyan University Illinois $52,690 2,009

#254 SUNY, Geneseo New York $32,442 5,644

#255 College of Saint Benedict Minnesota $51,759 2,051

#256 Illinois Institute of Technology Illinois $57,232 7,850

#257 University of Dallas Texas $50,600 2,598

#258 Agnes Scott College Georgia $48,832 915

#259 SUNY, Stony Brook (Stony Brook University) New York $36,266 24,143

#260 University of Mary Washington Virginia $38,354 4,831

#261 University of Alabama Alabama $42,329 34,752

#262 CUNY, Baruch College New York $35,369 17,505

#263 Iowa State University Iowa $31,920 32,955

#264 Saint Anselm College New Hampshire $52,086 1,923

#265 Pacific Lutheran University Washington $50,258 3,462

#266 SUNY, Buffalo (University at Buffalo) New York $38,335 29,850

#267 Cornell College Iowa $50,525 1,125

#268 University of Kansas Kansas $39,405 26,968

#269 Truman State University Missouri $26,405 6,225

#270 University of Nebraska, Lincoln Nebraska $36,706 24,445

#271 University of California, Riverside California $55,517 21,207

#272 University of Arkansas Arkansas $35,156 25,341

#273 Spelman College Georgia $43,741 2,129

#274 Millsaps College Mississippi $48,654 804

#275 The Citadel South Carolina $45,982 3,598

#276 Seattle University Washington $54,705 7,422

#277 Drew University New Jersey $61,016 2,291

#278 Linfield College Oregon $49,796 1,671

#279 California State Polytechnic University, Pomona California $35,113 22,501

#280 CUNY, Brooklyn College New York $31,934 17,004

#281 Thomas Aquinas College California $35,706 366

#282 Bryant University Rhode Island $55,376 3,454

#283 Washington & Jefferson College Pennsylvania $53,648 1,328

#284 Augustana College Illinois $48,871 2,524

#285 Sweet Briar College Virginia $50,937 710

#286 Austin College Texas $47,993 1,223

#287 Wagner College New York $56,287 2,245

#288 Saint Norbert College Wisconsin $43,528 2,222

#289 Mills College California $59,342 1,595

#290 SUNY, College of Environmental Science and Forestry New York $34,418 2,229

#291 DePaul University Illinois $50,791 24,414

#292 Arizona State University Arizona $38,977 48,702

#293 Cedarville University Ohio $35,470 3,462

#294 Loyola University Chicago Illinois $53,322 15,957

#295 University of Tennessee, Knoxville Tennessee $47,870 30,030

#296 Colorado State University Colorado $23,531 31,186

#297 CUNY, Hunter College New York $27,497 23,019

#298 Asbury University Kentucky $36,510 1,797

#299 Washington College Maryland $56,352 1,512

#300 Seattle Pacific University Washington $49,604 4,270

#301 Simmons College Massachusetts $53,796 4,655

#302 Saint John's College (NM) New Mexico $60,058 419

#303 Nebraska Wesleyan University Nebraska $40,950 2,149

#304 Quinnipiac University Connecticut $57,360 8,803

#305 Berea College Kentucky $33,492 1,623

#306 Lake Forest College Illinois $53,545 1,618

#307 Carroll College Montana $42,430 1,431

#308 CUNY, Queens College New York $33,097 18,974

#309 Coe College Iowa $49,220 1,419

#310 University of Evansville Indiana $45,970 2,630

#311 University of the Pacific California $58,829 6,421

#312 Duquesne University Pennsylvania $46,270 9,904

#313 Ohio Northern University Ohio $42,680 3,619

#314 New School New York $62,315 10,301

#315 Xavier University Ohio $47,520 6,633

#316 San Jose State University California $36,413 31,278

#317 Gordon College Massachusetts $46,520 2,073

#318 Marlboro College Vermont $51,590 260

#319 University of Kentucky Kentucky $37,602 28,435

#320 Susquehanna University Pennsylvania $53,380 2,187

#321 Chapman University California $61,847 7,892

#322 Fisk University Tennessee $36,618 646

#323 Marist College New York $49,790 6,365

#324 Pacific University Oregon $52,296 3,583

#325 Montana State University, Bozeman Montana $34,351 14,852

#326 Iona College New York $50,950 4,241

#327 Oregon State University Oregon $41,765 27,902

#328 California Lutheran University California $54,545 4,282

#329 Rockhurst University Missouri $47,590 2,920

#330 California State University, Long Beach California $33,884 35,586

#331 Whittier College California $56,125 2,339

#332 University of Mississippi Mississippi $34,752 19,431

#333 Goshen College Indiana $42,200 888

#334 Ripon College Wisconsin $44,917 904

#335 New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology New Mexico $31,422 2,134

#336 Drexel University Pennsylvania $67,665 26,132

#337 Siena College New York $48,809 3,207

#338 Elizabethtown College Pennsylvania $51,890 1,892

#339 Oklahoma State University Oklahoma $34,327 26,073

#340 Ouachita Baptist University Arkansas $33,790 1,543

#341 Utah State University Utah $30,100 27,812

#342 Master's College and Seminary California $43,621 1,499

#343 University of Maryland, Baltimore County Maryland $37,618 13,908

#344 Concordia College—Moorhead Minnesota $44,474 2,558

#345 Seton Hall University New Jersey $51,780 9,903

#346 Western Washington University Washington $34,663 14,950

#347 Bethel University Minnesota $45,830 4,340

#348 Lebanon Valley College Pennsylvania $50,970 2,022

#349 Houghton College New York $40,658 1,100

#350 La Salle University Pennsylvania $54,360 6,436

#351 Howard University District of Columbia $43,116 10,297

#352 Westminster College Pennsylvania $45,820 1,366

#353 Mississippi State University Mississippi $33,958 20,161

#354 Morehouse College Georgia $47,300 2,170

#355 University of Illinois, Chicago Illinois $41,923 28,038

#356 Michigan Technological University Michigan $42,536 6,975

#357 Le Moyne College New York $46,200 3,319

#358 University of Houston Texas $34,121 39,540

#359 Merrimack College Massachusetts $51,185 3,067

#360 Randolph College Virginia $47,860 682

#361 Rochester Institute of Technology New York $49,361 16,583

#362 Messiah College Pennsylvania $44,180 3,084

#363 Washington State University Washington $41,288 27,642

#364 Kansas State University Kansas $35,896 24,581

#365 George Fox University Oregon $44,730 3,712

#366 California State University, Los Angeles California $34,698 23,258

#367 SUNY, Albany (University at Albany) New York $34,673 17,338

#368 California State University, Fullerton California $35,545 38,325

#369 Randolph-Macon College Virginia $49,340 1,315

#370 New Jersey Institute of Technology New Jersey $47,268 10,130

#371 Marietta College Ohio $46,151 1,542

#372 Wesleyan College Georgia $32,825 700

#373 Missouri University of Science and Technology Missouri $36,603 8,129

#374 Hamline University Minnesota $47,862 4,581

#375 Georgetown College Kentucky $45,050 1,399

#376 Christopher Newport University Virginia $36,960 5,232

#377 Northwestern College Iowa $40,628 1,233

#378 Birmingham-Southern College Alabama $46,788 1,188

#379 Eckerd College Florida $53,508 2,173

#380 Biola University California $48,174 6,301

#381 University of Cincinnati Ohio $43,008 34,379

#382 William Jewell College Missouri $44,830 1,044

#383 University of New Mexico New Mexico $34,110 28,592

#384 University of Idaho Idaho $33,160 12,024

#385 Appalachian State University North Carolina $32,554 17,838

#386 Westminster College Missouri $36,160 1,026

#387 University of Minnesota, Morris Minnesota $23,199 1,946

#388 Union University Tennessee $45,880 3,993

#389 Louisiana Tech University Louisiana $33,273 11,015

#390 California State University, Fresno California $32,090 23,060

#391 Florida Institute of Technology Florida $55,300 5,644

#392 Saint Vincent College Pennsylvania $44,282 1,813

#393 Saint Mary's University of Minnesota Minnesota $41,015 5,528

#394 Doane College Nebraska $40,400 1,113

#395 Saint Joseph's College New York $33,830 5,354

#396 Temple University Pennsylvania $40,700 37,270

#397 Towson University Maryland $35,384 22,499

#398 Azusa Pacific University California $46,992 10,755

#399 California State University, Chico California $33,574 16,356

#400 Adelphi University New York $49,940 7,645

#401 Stetson University Florida $55,716 4,044

#402 Mount Saint Mary's University California $52,538 3,274

#403 Texas Tech University Texas $31,047 33,111

#404 College of St. Scholastica Minnesota $44,520 4,206

#405 Berry College Georgia $44,388 2,223

#406 College of Charleston South Carolina $44,332 11,619

#407 Ohio University Ohio $33,822 28,786

#408 Covenant College Georgia $41,690 1,173

#409 CUNY, Lehman College New York $31,972 12,085

#410 University of Northwestern, St. Paul Minnesota $40,636 3,352

#411 University of South Dakota South Dakota $23,029 10,235

#412 Roger Williams University Rhode Island $49,984 4,732

#413 Brigham Young University-Idaho Idaho $12,150 27,692

#414 University of Alaska, Fairbanks Alaska $28,390 9,166

#415 California State University, San Bernardino California $31,564 18,398

#416 Hollins University Virginia $49,435 750

#417 New Mexico State University, Las Cruces New Mexico $32,180 16,765

#418 Hofstra University New York $56,046 10,928

#419 Erskine College South Carolina $47,610 815

#420 SUNY, College at New Paltz New York $31,664 7,578

#421 West Virginia University West Virginia $32,895 29,466

#422 University of Rhode Island Rhode Island $43,075 16,387

#423 Augustana College South Dakota $38,899 1,765

#424 Illinois State University Illinois $34,608 20,272

#425 University of South Florida Florida $31,824 41,428

#426 San Francisco State University California $35,366 29,905

#427 University of Central Florida Florida $36,989 59,589

#428 University of La Verne California $53,849 8,796

#429 Belmont University Tennessee $45,340 6,915

#430 University of Hawaii, Manoa Hawaii $45,624 20,006

#431 Saint Francis College New York $0 2,819

#432 Saint Mary's University, San Antonio Texas $39,480 3,868

#433 CUNY, College of Staten Island New York $36,242 14,441

#434 Franciscan University of Steubenville Ohio $35,560 2,733

#435 Canisius College New York $49,016 4,537

#436 Huntington University Indiana $36,377 1,124

#437 University of Nevada, Reno Nevada $36,510 18,776

#438 Baldwin Wallace University Ohio $41,508 4,053

#439 Saint Edward's University Texas $50,600 4,861

#440 Sonoma State University California $34,815 9,120

#441 University of Wisconsin, Eau Claire Wisconsin $26,641 10,923

#442 California State University, Sacramento California $34,484 28,811

#443 Pace University New York $58,415 12,624

#444 University of North Dakota North Dakota $31,921 15,143

#445 John Brown University Arkansas $35,706 2,596

#446 University of Texas, Dallas Texas $41,156 21,193

#447 Virginia Commonwealth University Virginia $47,104 30,974

#448 California State University, Northridge California $33,270 38,310

#449 University of Maine, Orono Maine $40,982 11,247

#450 Salisbury University Maryland $31,526 8,643

#451 Converse College South Carolina $29,850 1,333

#452 North Dakota State University North Dakota $30,953 14,629

#453 Hartwick College New York $52,270 1,618

#454 Rowan University New Jersey $35,376 13,349

#455 Roanoke College Virginia $53,351 2,029

#456 University of Alabama in Huntsville Alabama $35,606 7,376

#457 Saint John Fisher College New York $43,208 3,987

#458 Mercer University Georgia $48,468 8,351

#459 Alfred University New York $40,866 2,431

#460 Central College Iowa $46,645 1,386

#461 University of Massachusetts Lowell Massachusetts $41,304 16,932

#462 Bellarmine University Kentucky $53,350 3,419

#463 Hiram College Ohio $43,367 1,311

#464 University of Northern Iowa Iowa $30,057 12,159

#465 Farmingdale State College New York $32,523 8,162

#466 Georgia State University Georgia $40,068 32,165

#467 Salem College North Carolina $42,660 1,187

#468 University of Montana Montana $34,182 14,525

#469 Touro College New York $30,484 13,868

#470 Moravian College Pennsylvania $51,582 1,837

#471 California State University, Stanislaus California $31,121 8,917

#472 West Chester University of Pennsylvania Pennsylvania $36,446 15,845

#473 University of North Carolina, Wilmington North Carolina $35,419 13,937

#474 Elmhurst College Illinois $47,280 3,210

#475 Hastings College Nebraska $38,300 1,144

#476 Immaculata University Pennsylvania $51,306 3,675

#477 University of North Carolina, Asheville North Carolina $34,799 3,784

#478 Centenary College of Louisiana Louisiana $49,950 661

#479 Capital University Ohio $44,976 3,628

#480 Simpson College Iowa $44,972 1,773

#481 Dordt College Iowa $40,100 1,430

#482 North Central College Illinois $46,854 3,048

#483 South Dakota State University South Dakota $27,783 12,525

#484 Saint John's University (NY) New York $57,429 20,729

#485 Rider University New Jersey $53,660 5,410

#486 Lycoming College Pennsylvania $48,154 1,307

#487 Florida International University Florida $35,509 47,663

#488 Montclair State University New Jersey $37,064 19,464

#489 University of Colorado, Denver Colorado $40,452 22,206

#490 California State University, East Bay California $33,990 14,526

#491 University of Texas, El Paso Texas $32,029 23,003

#492 Wells College New York $51,000 534

#493 Montana Tech of the University of Montana Montana $31,795 2,010

#494 Fairleigh Dickinson University, Metropolitan Campus New Jersey $52,674 8,546

#495 University of North Carolina, Charlotte North Carolina $32,542 26,571

#496 SUNY, College at Oneonta New York $32,132 6,034

#497 Spring Hill College Alabama $47,764 1,422

#498 Western State Colorado University Colorado $31,297 2,404

#499 Wisconsin Lutheran College Wisconsin $37,705 1,178

#500 King's College Pennsylvania $47,272 2,391

#501 Milwaukee School of Engineering Wisconsin $47,528 2,658

#502 Weber State University Utah $28,090 25,155

#503 University of Louisville Kentucky $38,232 21,444

#504 North Greenville University South Carolina $31,000 2,466

#505 Loyola University New Orleans Louisiana $52,350 4,686

#506 Lynn University Florida $51,627 2,297

#507 Clarke University Iowa $42,060 1,225

#508 Oklahoma Baptist University Oklahoma $34,600 2,097

#509 Hood College Maryland $49,930 2,392

#510 Warren Wilson College North Carolina $44,852 893

#511 Alma College Michigan $46,350 1,419

#512 University of Alaska, Anchorage Alaska $31,035 17,363

#513 Abilene Christian University Texas $43,100 4,461

#514 Maryville University of Saint Louis Missouri $44,532 5,033

#515 Emory and Henry College Virginia $44,784 959

#516 California Maritime Academy California $33,183 1,045

#517 University of Texas, Pan American Texas $25,753 20,053

#518 University of Alabama, Birmingham Alabama $33,957 18,568

#519 East Carolina University North Carolina $36,299 26,887

#520 University of Louisiana, Lafayette Louisiana $32,302 16,646

#521 Carroll University Wisconsin $41,614 3,534

#522 Carthage College Wisconsin $50,240 2,988

#523 Humboldt State University California $34,003 8,293

#524 Bethel College Kansas $36,360 482

#525 Millikin University Illinois $42,040 2,261

#526 Oklahoma City University Oklahoma $44,676 3,179

#527 Oregon Institute of Technology Oregon $37,655 4,407

#528 University of Missouri, Saint Louis Missouri $37,168 16,809

#529 Oakland University Michigan $35,545 20,169

#530 Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University, Daytona Beach Florida $47,582 5,279

#531 Wheeling Jesuit University West Virginia $36,600 1,619

#532 Vanguard University of Southern California California $43,934 2,415

#533 Mary Baldwin College Virginia $41,545 1,711

#534 University of Massachusetts, Boston Massachusetts $40,580 16,277

#535 CUNY, John Jay College Criminal Justice New York $38,580 15,010

#536 Florida Atlantic University Florida $34,316 30,759

#537 Grand Valley State University Michigan $26,218 24,477

#538 Saint Catherine University Minnesota $48,664 5,017

#539 University of Nevada, Las Vegas Nevada $36,082 27,848

#540 University of the Ozarks Arkansas $36,662 585

#541 Otterbein University Ohio $44,794 2,919

#542 Oglethorpe University Georgia $48,050 1,100

#543 Lyon College Arkansas $35,090 592

#544 Stockton University New Jersey $34,982 8,458

#545 University of New England Maine $50,900 6,032

#546 Elmira College New York $51,100 1,542

#547 Rhode Island College Rhode Island $31,034 8,700

#548 Jackson State University Mississippi $30,812 9,134

#549 University of North Carolina, Greensboro North Carolina $33,726 18,074

#550 Mississippi College Mississippi $28,789 4,921

#551 Old Dominion University Virginia $39,248 24,828

#552 High Point University North Carolina $46,710 4,199

#553 Wichita State University Kansas $28,325 14,386

#554 University of Hartford Connecticut $49,526 6,820

#555 Texas State University, San Marcos Texas $30,846 35,546

#556 Missouri State University Missouri $26,506 21,271

#557 North Carolina A&T State University North Carolina $29,395 10,561

#558 Murray State University Kentucky $32,134 10,943

#559 Wayne State University Michigan $37,118 27,897

#560 University of Nebraska, Omaha Nebraska $31,158 15,227

#561 Northern Arizona University Arizona $37,340 26,594

#562 Saint Cloud State University Minnesota $26,641 16,765

#563 University of Mount Union Ohio $39,925 2,187

#564 Guilford College North Carolina $47,175 2,302

#565 University of New Orleans Louisiana $34,623 9,323

#566 Russell Sage College New York $43,130 2,832

#567 Wilmington University Delaware $19,790 13,621

#568 Christian Brothers University Tennessee $39,710 1,577

#569 Ball State University Indiana $38,046 20,503

#570 University of North Texas Texas $29,926 38,315

#571 Catawba College North Carolina $41,753 1,310

#572 Fort Lewis College Colorado $34,082 4,021

#573 University of North Florida Florida $35,481 16,083

#574 Albright College Pennsylvania $51,880 2,384

#575 University of Southern Mississippi Mississippi $29,170 15,249

#576 Illinois College Illinois $40,800 1,028

#577 University of Tampa Florida $40,169 7,260

#578 Webster University Missouri $41,622 17,904

#579 Florida Southern College Florida $43,600 2,619

#580 Benedictine University Illinois $38,984 6,318

#581 Oral Roberts University Oklahoma $38,657 3,414

#582 Rocky Mountain College Montana $36,586 1,067

#583 Portland State University Oregon $39,018 28,260

#584 Western Kentucky University Kentucky $33,356 20,448

#585 Ashland University Ohio $32,862 5,979

#586 University of Colorado Colorado Springs Colorado $32,294 11,321

#587 Maryville College Tennessee $45,362 1,168

#588 Georgia Southern University Georgia $33,093 20,517

#589 Meredith College North Carolina $44,306 1,872

#590 Western Michigan University Michigan $37,103 24,294

#591 Texas Woman's University Texas $29,853 15,058

#592 Millersville University Pennsylvania $38,798 8,279

#593 Nova Southeastern University Florida $43,946 25,670

#594 University of Missouri, Kansas City Missouri $33,136 15,718

#595 University of Memphis Tennessee $35,902 21,480

#596 Northern Illinois University Illinois $37,502 21,138

#597 Andrews University Michigan $36,758 3,516

#598 Sam Houston State University Texas $28,984 19,210

#599 Kent State University Ohio $33,486 28,998

#600 Southern Illinois University Carbondale Illinois $38,606 17,964

#601 University of Texas, Arlington Texas $31,864 33,329

#602 Utah Valley University Utah $25,258 30,564

#603 Idaho State University Idaho $34,527 13,326

#604 Southern Illinois University Edwardsville Illinois $34,568 13,850

#605 University of West Florida Florida $32,653 12,588

#606 University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee Wisconsin $32,020 27,416

#607 University of Akron Ohio $33,376 24,932

#608 Carson-Newman University Tennessee $37,530 2,045

#609 Monmouth College Illinois $43,800 1,255

#610 University of South Alabama Alabama $26,984 15,065

#611 Florida Agricultural and Mechanical University Florida $31,525 10,743

#612 Anderson University Indiana $40,100 2,442

#613 Minnesota State University, Mankato Minnesota $26,331 15,426

#614 Bowling Green State University Ohio $31,566 16,958

#615 Barry University Florida $45,500 9,030

#616 University of Northern Colorado Colorado $33,527 12,710

#617 Boise State University Idaho $32,612 21,981

#618 East Tennessee State University Tennessee $39,493 14,691

#619 Southeastern Louisiana University Louisiana $30,505 14,934

#620 Texas A&M University, Kingsville Texas $33,278 12,229

#621 University of Arkansas, Little Rock Arkansas $32,228 12,377

#622 Central Michigan University Michigan $34,620 26,841

#623 Queens University of Charlotte North Carolina $48,106 2,285

#624 Lamar University Texas $29,692 14,035

#625 Tuskegee University Alabama $34,354 3,118

#626 Northern Kentucky University Kentucky $28,998 15,263

#627 Claflin University South Carolina $32,550 1,884

#628 University of Central Oklahoma Oklahoma $26,416 17,220

#629 University of Toledo Ohio $34,147 20,743

#630 Indiana University-Purdue University, Indianapolis Indiana $43,165 30,488

#631 Kennesaw State University Georgia $34,346 24,629

#632 Texas A&M University-Corpus Christi Texas $28,860 10,913

#633 Indiana University of Pennsylvania Pennsylvania $35,595 14,925

#634 Western Illinois University Illinois $29,550 11,707

#635 Middle Tennessee State University Tennessee $37,704 23,881

#636 Columbia College Chicago Illinois $41,406 10,142

#637 Eastern Kentucky University Kentucky $29,276 16,111

#638 Eastern Michigan University Michigan $37,548 23,447

#639 Liberty University Virginia $34,000 77,338

#640 Morgan State University Maryland $32,464 7,546

#641 Cleveland State University Ohio $28,746 17,497

#642 University of Texas at San Antonio Texas $29,854 28,623

#643 Texas A&M University, Commerce Texas $26,973 11,591

#644 Indiana State University Indiana $30,863 12,448

#645 Wright State University Ohio $29,910 16,656

#646 Metropolitan

State University

of Denver Colorado $31,188 22,752

#647 Tennessee State University Tennessee $31,784 8,883

#648 Troy University Alabama $25,280 20,573

#649 Youngstown State University Ohio $21,994 13,352

#650 Coastal Carolina University South Carolina $36,854 9,478

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2948816&forum_id=2#28441447)

USA is done

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The proof of the vacuity of academic leftism for the past forty years is the complete silence of leftist professors about the rise of the corporate structure of the contemporary university–their total failure to denounce the gross expansion of the administrator class and the obscene rise in tuition costs. The leading academic leftists are such frauds–they’ve played the system and are retiring as millionaires!

- xo Camille

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2948816&forum_id=2#28441484)

America's Top Colleges Ranking 2015

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The No. 1 FORBES Top College 2015 is Pomona College, followed by Williams College and Stanford University. The highest ranking public school is the University of California, Berkeley.

The nation¡¯s 18 million undergrad students heading off for the next school year will pay an estimated total $18,943 on public college tuition and fees ($42,419 for private schools). An average newly minted grad with student loan debt will have to pay back some $35,000; overall national student debt has escalated to an all-time high of $1.2 trillion.

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While the cost of U.S. higher education escalates, there¡¯s a genuine silver lining in play. A growing number of colleges and universities are now focusing on student-consumer value over marketing prestige, making this a new age of return-on-investment education. This pivot is the result of intense public scrutiny on the substantial cost of a degree vs. long tail worth ¡ª the very heart of FORBES definitive Top Colleges ranking, now in its eighth year. (View full methodology here.)

This year¡¯s No. 1 FORBES Top College is Pomona College, followed by Williams College and Stanford University. The first Ivy League school to show, Princeton University, comes in at No. 4, followed by Yale University (No. 5), Harvard University (No. 6) and Brown University (No. 8). Rounding out the 10 finest schools in America are Swarthmore College (No. 7), Amherst College and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

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The three highest ranking public schools are University of California, Berkeley (No. 35), University of Virginia (No. 36), and the College of William & Mary (No. 39). Three of the U.S. Service Academies earn highest medals as some of the nation¡¯s leading higher education institutions: the U.S. Military Academy at West Point comes in at No. 11, followed by U.S. Naval Academy (No. 27) and U.S. Air Force Academy (No. 38).

The number of large, brainy, research-oriented universities closely associated with science, technology, engineering and math (STEM) have a slight edge at the peak of the rankings over small, student-centric, liberal arts colleges, although the Gold and Silver medals go to the latter. Wellesley College (No. 26) was ranked the best all-women¡¯s college.

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Satisfied students: Almost no one at the top schools transfers out. Ninety-nine percent of Stanford and Yale students opt to say put, and the lowest retention rates for a top college is Swarthmore at 96% and Wesleyan University (No. 17) at 95%. These same schools rate high on student satisfaction with professors and overall campus experience.

Low student to faculty ratio: Each of the top 25 has an extremely low student-to-faculty ratio. Nine of 10 has an an 8:1 ratio or less. Stanford is 11:1 and Cornell University (No. 25) is 12:1.

Out in four years: Graduating on time means paying fewer dollars for tuition. At 24 out of the top 25 schools, 84% or more of students graduate in four years. That puts them in the top 8% of the top 650 schools in four-year graduation rates.

Financial aid/debt: The top schools are above average in the average amount of aid granted and the percentage of students at the top schools who take out loans is strikingly small.

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Coastal: Consider that every one of the top 10 college and universities are located on either the East or West Coasts. The first inland school is University of Notre Dame in Indiana (No. 13), followed by two Chicago schools: Northwestern University (No. 16) and University of Chicago (No. 20). The highest ranking school in the South is Duke University in North Carolina (No. 22) followed by Washington and Lee University in Virginia (No. 29).

Founding: The top 10 schools were all founded in the 1600s to 1800s. The most recent is Pomona College in 1887; the earliest is Harvard in 1636.

Acceptance rate: With 72,676 applications received, the University of California, Los Angeles (No. 45) is the most applied to school in the nation. Of the top 10 schools, Stanford leads in number of applications at 38,828 with a 6% acceptance rate ¡ª the nation¡¯s lowest, a distinction it shares with Harvard. Williams College has the highest acceptance rate in this grouping at 17%.

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Has the ¡°rankings race¡± dominated the college admissions landscape? In 2015¡äs Where You Go Is Not Who You¡¯ll Be, author Frank Bruni says they ¡°have enormous meaning:¡±

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¡­rankings maintain their quasi-biblical power, year after year, exploiting people¡¯s insecurities about their own judgments and indulging our love of tidy and digestible lists, preferably numbered ones with scores attached, in a digital world of so much random information.

On the flip side, Richard Vedder, Ph.D., the director of College Affordability and Productivity and the mastermind behind FORBES Top Colleges ranking formula, offers a defense of rankings here:

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Colleges often bitterly criticize the rankings. What is ironic is that colleges are themselves in the rankings business in a big way. College professors like me ¡°rank¡± their students all the time by giving grades. If colleges can rank their students, why can¡¯t disinterested other folks rank the schools themselves?

It¡¯s true that some students and their families (not to mention academia itself) aren¡¯t able to resist the siren song of rankings. I¡¯ve heard directly from schools ¡ª and college presidents ¡ª that they have to ¡°answer¡± to their boards and alumni for a ranking drop, and parents who swear they won¡¯t fund their child¡¯s tuition at a less than top 50 college.

But the FORBES list, to pull a quote from Pirates of the Caribbean, ¡°is more what you¡¯d call ¡®guidelines¡¯ than actual rules.¡± Use it as a means and not an end to your final college decision. Our focus is on the individual student-consumer, and that means each student has his or her own unique constellation of ¡°top colleges¡± based on each school¡¯s particular academic strengths (degrees offered, research opportunities, etc.) and campus experience (location, size, athletics), as well as cost vs. family finances.

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In Photos: #MyTopCollege. This year marks the second annual #MyTopCollege social media campaign. We asked students and alumni to take to Twitter and Instagram to share their school spirit and tell us what makes their college experience unique. Over 250 of schools participated this year, with current, former and prospective students submitting about 7,000 tweets and 4,000 Instagram posts.

After almost shuttering earlier this year, Sweet Briar College came out with an incredible showing of #MyTopCollege submissions and are the clear winner among small schools. Last year¡¯s champ, California State University, Fullerton, returns as the most active large school in our campaign. The medium-sized school title-holder, Gettysburg College, joined later on in the campaign and blew us away with amazing photo submissions, using Instagram better than any other school.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2948816&forum_id=2#28441458)

as best I can tell the "Recipe for a Top College" isn't a description of their methodology

this list is on the face of it absurd

its just a list made up to be provocative so you click the link

no LAC with a 60K pricetag is the best college in america

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2948816&forum_id=2#28441463)

EDIT: http://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinehoward/2015/07/29/ranking-americas-top-colleges-2015/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2948816&forum_id=2#28441540)

pretty much what I figured

under that methodology, the best college is whichever one has the highest ratio of price insensitive rich kids

which makes sense having 2 LACs 1 and 2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2948816&forum_id=2#28441566)

look at every single one of those factors

tell me whether you come from the sort of family where 65K out the door is a major factor effects your answer to that question

the more people at your school who's parents are already millionaires, who 65K is not that big a deal to

the better you score on every single one of those factors

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Student Debt (25%) is interestingly distiguished from total cost of attendence

if the parents can pick up the total tab, a school can score well on student debt even at a really expensive price point

tiny LACs are better positioned to get a larger fraction of the student body where the parents can pick up the tab than larger similarly expensive schools are

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2948816&forum_id=2#28441647)

lets say your dad is an engineer making 150K, lets say your mom stayed at home

what's 100% of your need?

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"oh, if the parents make less than 60K Pomona is free!!!"

tell me what percentage of the kids at Pomona come from families making 60K

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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2948816&forum_id=2#28441683)

elite colleges are about maintaining class distinctions at the expense of the prosperity of our country

spot on

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2948816&forum_id=2#28441706)

most Swartys I know are still in the hourly wage phase in their late 20s. awesome degree you got there!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2948816&forum_id=2#28441466)

it will slow down or level out, not burst

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2948816&forum_id=2#28441852)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2948816&forum_id=2#28445411)