ND now allows POLICE to use WEAPONIZED DRONES
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Date: August 28th, 2015 4:10 PM Author: Buff Wonderful Nursing Home
I can help with the quantitative part, bro:
1970s: ~300 SWAT raids per year
1980s: ~3,000 SWAT raids per year
2005: ~50,000 SWAT raids
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Date: August 28th, 2015 4:16 PM Author: titillating church
sorry if this is abrasive i have a paranoid streak
hm take govt spying on citizens. decades ago that happened, of course, but it costed money - you had to hire a guy, and feed them and their family and give them insurance, and that person was limited by time and space in what they could accomplish. they could go to a house and shake someone down or do surveillance or whatever. that was expensive, and our culture and legal system set boundaries of what we were comfortable with in that context.
now the govt can search your entire life with probably $5 worth of electricity. they can do that to tens of thousands of people, drawn conclusions with no public scrutiny, act on those conclusions, and create a private world of unimaginative, voyeuristic scumbags who are deluded into thinking that they're saving the world by judging your life
the proper response to this isn't 'hey, it's legal because it was legal 30 years ago and those laws are the same as our laws', it's, number one, 'fuck the police', and number two 'we need to have a serious national conversation about it', and three 'nobody is allowed to use this tech until we've decided how we're going to use them'
in the context of drone strikes on american soil, do you think our laws would have developed the way they did if the ability to shoot people from drones existed? would our process requirements be the same? probable cause? the entire structure of the justice system would be different, imo, so to pretend like it's just an extension of current capabilities that we're comfortable with covering with the same legal system we've used for 200 years and not a vastly different world where everything should be rethought - i think is a little shortsighted and, pardon me, bootlickery
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Date: August 28th, 2015 3:45 PM Author: maroon boyish elastic band
and by eliminating the risk to the officer and removing the option of using lethal force, they would greatly decrease the risk of death in use of force situations where the officer would otherwise be physically present.
and adding off what the above poster said, drones will force the police to have a video of all such encounters (can't engage a target with a drone if you don't have a visual on him) along with a digital trail of what commands were given and when that syncs to the video, which counterbalances, to a degree, the risk of more force overall.
i get there's a creepy skynet feel to the whole thing, but if you assess it rationally, is it really worse than the current system where dashcams are conveniently left off or incorrectly aimed and so long as you've got another cop there with you to back your story you can basically just call "they're commin right at us!" and shoot to kill?
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Date: August 28th, 2015 4:02 PM Author: maroon boyish elastic band
i asked above for clarification on the "militarization bad" argument.
i'm not necessarily saying police drones are good, and i agree that it feels creepy. i just don't think "it feels creepy" is a good enough reason to show it's bad.
also, this was passed by the legislature. if everyone agrees that it just "feels" too creepy, they'll elect legislators who will repeal the law. failing that, if there's a constitutional violation here, by all means articulate it and have the courts throw it out.
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Date: August 29th, 2015 2:27 PM Author: bespoke white whorehouse kitty cat
Wow.
This might be the year nirvanayoda's predictions come true.
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