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Interesting stat for Bschool bros: 770+ GMAT = INSEAD autoadmit

On Businessweek MBA school profiles they break down % of app...
Charcoal stage degenerate
  08/29/15
Yes, and they are both TTT MBAs.
Razzle Rambunctious Locus
  08/29/15
Some other similar schools don't really care about GMAT scor...
Charcoal stage degenerate
  08/29/15
Yes, I see what you mean, But outside M7 or so, it's not wor...
Razzle Rambunctious Locus
  08/29/15
i find that hard to believe. cornell's not the only one, duk...
Glittery self-absorbed garrison
  08/29/15
Cornell and Yale are peers, yet Yale has a GMAT score 30 poi...
Charcoal stage degenerate
  08/29/15
yea def. i wonder what the logic/approach is at a place like...
Glittery self-absorbed garrison
  08/29/15
I think they just care more about the total package once you...
Charcoal stage degenerate
  08/29/15
all schools seem to care more about GMAT these days so i wou...
Glittery self-absorbed garrison
  08/29/15
kellogg and tuck care a lot about fit. booth, sloan, wharton...
Flirting smoky mad-dog skullcap
  08/29/15
in the comments section of a recent p&q article some guy...
Glittery self-absorbed garrison
  08/30/15
i think it's the right thing. mba admissions was WAY too flu...
Flirting smoky mad-dog skullcap
  08/30/15
i think they need some fluff to screen out weird FOBs. ive h...
Glittery self-absorbed garrison
  08/30/15
the interview screens them out. but yes, i have heard of FOB...
Flirting smoky mad-dog skullcap
  08/30/15
also interesting is international applicant % vs internation...
Glittery self-absorbed garrison
  08/29/15
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Charcoal stage degenerate
  08/29/15
actually kind of seems like white male with organic 750 is i...
Glittery self-absorbed garrison
  08/29/15
gmat median at the schools have gone up a lot lately. at the...
Flirting smoky mad-dog skullcap
  08/29/15
760+ sounds like the safe range for international STEM asian...
Glittery self-absorbed garrison
  08/29/15
true, but they don't publish the stat I'm referencing, and I...
Charcoal stage degenerate
  08/29/15
kellogg used to publish that info on their website, along wi...
Glittery self-absorbed garrison
  08/30/15
i was at a kellogg info session last week. i'm not even gonn...
Flirting smoky mad-dog skullcap
  08/30/15
that's cool that they'd be so up front. why won't you apply ...
Glittery self-absorbed garrison
  08/30/15
i'm a hardcore finance guy who wants to work at a long-short...
Flirting smoky mad-dog skullcap
  08/30/15
What's wrong with Yale SoM? For those who simply want a d...
Lascivious theater
  08/30/15
there is nothing wrong with yale som. it's a solid top 15 sc...
Flirting smoky mad-dog skullcap
  08/30/15
T15 makes it sound pretty bad--GULC bad. What I mean is, ...
Lascivious theater
  08/30/15
b-school is not about the education. what makes one school m...
Flirting smoky mad-dog skullcap
  08/30/15
Its "Recruiter Assessment" score places it in the ...
Lascivious theater
  08/30/15
recruiter assessment score is BS. what matters is us news ra...
Flirting smoky mad-dog skullcap
  08/30/15


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Date: August 29th, 2015 8:21 PM
Author: Charcoal stage degenerate

On Businessweek MBA school profiles they break down % of applicants and % of admitted by GMAT ranges. Many top US and International schools don't provide this info, but some do. If you take the school's overall admit rate and multiply it by (% accepted/% applicants) for a given GMAT range, you can calculate the admit rate for that range of GMAT score. You can see which schools are whores for high GMAT scores that way.

Under admissions, click more information -> entrance exams.

INSEAD doesn't publish its admit rate, but it's apparently 20-25% per various online sources. 770+ GMAT scorers represent 2% of INSEAD applicants, but 10% of admitted students. So the admission rate for 770+ scorers has to be close to 100%.

http://www.bloomberg.com/bschools/rankings/full_time_mba_profiles/insead.html

Yale is also a big GMAT whore: 24% admit rate overall, but roughly double that for 770+ scorers, and 42% for 740-760 scorers.

http://www.bloomberg.com/bschools/rankings/full_time_mba_profiles/yale.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2976182&forum_id=2#28651393)



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Date: August 29th, 2015 8:24 PM
Author: Razzle Rambunctious Locus

Yes, and they are both TTT MBAs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2976182&forum_id=2#28651409)



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Date: August 29th, 2015 8:27 PM
Author: Charcoal stage degenerate

Some other similar schools don't really care about GMAT scores though, so it's useful information.

E.g Cornell has a 30% admit rate, and 740-760 scorers represent 12% of applicants and 12% of admits. So having a GMAT score 50 points above Cornell's median doesn't really provide any substantial admissions advantage.

http://www.bloomberg.com/bschools/rankings/full_time_mba_profiles/cornell.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2976182&forum_id=2#28651425)



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Date: August 29th, 2015 8:30 PM
Author: Razzle Rambunctious Locus

Yes, I see what you mean, But outside M7 or so, it's not worth attending anyways

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2976182&forum_id=2#28651446)



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Date: August 29th, 2015 8:58 PM
Author: Glittery self-absorbed garrison

i find that hard to believe. cornell's not the only one, duke claims something similar.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2976182&forum_id=2#28651610)



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Date: August 29th, 2015 9:26 PM
Author: Charcoal stage degenerate

Cornell and Yale are peers, yet Yale has a GMAT score 30 points higher. It was pretty obvious that some schools will chase high GMATs more than others even before this info was available. Shit, a school like WUSTL trying to game its way up the rankings has a higher GMAT average than Cornell because they'll admit every Indian IT help desk dude with a 740.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2976182&forum_id=2#28651751)



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Date: August 29th, 2015 10:52 PM
Author: Glittery self-absorbed garrison

yea def. i wonder what the logic/approach is at a place like fuqua

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2976182&forum_id=2#28652172)



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Date: August 29th, 2015 10:56 PM
Author: Charcoal stage degenerate

I think they just care more about the total package once you hit ~700. They'll take the 700 GMAT guy with solid WE over the 740 scorer with weak WE. It doesn't really matter to them whether their avg GMAT is 700 instead of 720. But schools with high GMAT scores relative to their rank seem to give you a bigger boost for having a 740+ score (UCLA, Stern, and Yale come to mind in the 7-15ish range).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2976182&forum_id=2#28652197)



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Date: August 29th, 2015 10:58 PM
Author: Glittery self-absorbed garrison

all schools seem to care more about GMAT these days so i would guess that strong WE+strong GMAT just makes it more of a sure thing.

but yea, i think some schools (fuqua, kellogg, tuck) don't care how high your gmat is if your WE/interview/essays blow.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2976182&forum_id=2#28652206)



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Date: August 29th, 2015 11:58 PM
Author: Flirting smoky mad-dog skullcap

kellogg and tuck care a lot about fit. booth, sloan, wharton, are huge gmat whores while hbs and stanford are huge gpa whores.

but in general, yes, schools do care more about GMAT because they realize that there is a strong correlation between GMAT and b-school performance. also, if you bomb the GMAT it will be tough to do well in BB or MBB interviews.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2976182&forum_id=2#28652500)



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Date: August 30th, 2015 12:02 AM
Author: Glittery self-absorbed garrison

in the comments section of a recent p&q article some guy from india said wharton was only letting 760+ scorers come to their info sessions in india

another article talked about how standard advice in china is to take GMAT 3-6 times and to consider quitting your job to study for GMAT full time for 6-9 months.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2976182&forum_id=2#28652514)



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Date: August 30th, 2015 12:05 AM
Author: Flirting smoky mad-dog skullcap

i think it's the right thing. mba admissions was WAY too fluffy; now it's becoming more like ug and law school. emphasize high scores, which is directly indicative of quantitative and analytical skills. b-schools have also cut down on essays since they realized that most essays are utter flame. what you cannot fake is your ug and gpa, gmat, work experience.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2976182&forum_id=2#28652530)



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Date: August 30th, 2015 12:12 AM
Author: Glittery self-absorbed garrison

i think they need some fluff to screen out weird FOBs. ive heard bad stories of FOBs who arrive on campus COMPLETELY unprepared for the bschool experience and many struggle to get jobs which hurts the shcool's numbers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2976182&forum_id=2#28652573)



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Date: August 30th, 2015 12:13 AM
Author: Flirting smoky mad-dog skullcap

the interview screens them out. but yes, i have heard of FOBs coming to b-school barely able to speak english. or in asia, where the applicant is the son/daughter of a powerful businessman and as a result, the interviewer does the interview in their native language when it's supposed to be done in english.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2976182&forum_id=2#28652584)



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Date: August 29th, 2015 10:51 PM
Author: Glittery self-absorbed garrison

also interesting is international applicant % vs international % of class

ross: 54% international applicants, 34% internationals in class

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2976182&forum_id=2#28652168)



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Date: August 29th, 2015 10:51 PM
Author: Charcoal stage degenerate

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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2976182&forum_id=2#28652171)



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Date: August 29th, 2015 10:53 PM
Author: Glittery self-absorbed garrison

actually kind of seems like white male with organic 750 is in line for some AA

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2976182&forum_id=2#28652179)



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Date: August 29th, 2015 10:53 PM
Author: Flirting smoky mad-dog skullcap

gmat median at the schools have gone up a lot lately. at the m7 schools it's around 730 and i think hbs/stanford is close to 740. that's just the MEDIAN. so for white/asian bros in finance/consulting, you need to get 760+ to feel safe at m7.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2976182&forum_id=2#28652181)



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Date: August 29th, 2015 10:56 PM
Author: Glittery self-absorbed garrison

760+ sounds like the safe range for international STEM asians, not sure things are that bad for domestic bros

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2976182&forum_id=2#28652195)



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Date: August 29th, 2015 10:57 PM
Author: Charcoal stage degenerate

true, but they don't publish the stat I'm referencing, and I'm talking about schools in the next tier down from M7.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2976182&forum_id=2#28652202)



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Date: August 30th, 2015 12:04 AM
Author: Glittery self-absorbed garrison

kellogg used to publish that info on their website, along with a placement report like what rice puts out. the GMAT report indicated the same trend your OP discusses.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2976182&forum_id=2#28652523)



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Date: August 30th, 2015 12:06 AM
Author: Flirting smoky mad-dog skullcap

i was at a kellogg info session last week. i'm not even gonna apply there, but a friend is interested so i tagged along. got into a private chat with an admissions officer who directly asked me where i did ug, gpa, gmat, and where i work at. i told her, and she said "yeah given your stats, people like yourself have at least a 50% chance of getting in." i was surprised.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2976182&forum_id=2#28652539)



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Date: August 30th, 2015 12:11 AM
Author: Glittery self-absorbed garrison

that's cool that they'd be so up front. why won't you apply to kellogg?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2976182&forum_id=2#28652567)



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Date: August 30th, 2015 12:12 AM
Author: Flirting smoky mad-dog skullcap

i'm a hardcore finance guy who wants to work at a long-short equity or special situations hedge fund. i'm only applying to hbs, stanford, columbia, wharton, maybe booth. kellogg is a terrible fit for me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2976182&forum_id=2#28652578)



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Date: August 30th, 2015 12:10 AM
Author: Lascivious theater

What's wrong with Yale SoM?

For those who simply want a degree from H/Y, but don't have skills or experience, it can't be that bad.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2976182&forum_id=2#28652562)



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Date: August 30th, 2015 12:11 AM
Author: Flirting smoky mad-dog skullcap

there is nothing wrong with yale som. it's a solid top 15 school. but som lags seriously behind yale as a whole.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2976182&forum_id=2#28652569)



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Date: August 30th, 2015 12:17 AM
Author: Lascivious theater

T15 makes it sound pretty bad--GULC bad.

What I mean is, Yale is Yale, and education-wise there can't be much of a difference between WharTTTon and YSOM. Granted, the networking opportunities are inferior in quantity and quality, but where does its placement power put it in a rankings scale? And what about the perks--Yale Club of NYC, telling everyone and her mother you went to THE Yale School of Management?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2976182&forum_id=2#28652597)



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Date: August 30th, 2015 12:23 AM
Author: Flirting smoky mad-dog skullcap

b-school is not about the education. what makes one school more prestigious than another is the network, opportunities available, and signaling power to employers. in this regard, a school such as wharton absolutely PWNS SOM. i would say the difference between a wharton and SOM is the equivalent of the difference between harvard undergrad and emory/nyu/boston college.

yale alums from other programs don't give a fuck about som. it's the ugly stepchild of yale. as i said, the undergrds/med/law look down on som.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2976182&forum_id=2#28652619)



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Date: August 30th, 2015 12:27 AM
Author: Lascivious theater

Its "Recruiter Assessment" score places it in the M7, above Haas and Columbia.

Also, you make it sound as if SoM were the Harvard Extension School as opposed to another vocational school within the university.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2976182&forum_id=2#28652641)



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Date: August 30th, 2015 12:30 AM
Author: Flirting smoky mad-dog skullcap

recruiter assessment score is BS. what matters is us news rankings and placement into elite jobs in finance, consulting, and tech.

nope, not comparing som to extension. just saying that there's a huge prestige gap between other schools of yale and som. that's all.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2976182&forum_id=2#28652660)