So F22s couldn't even beat Typhoons in a dogfight?
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Date: October 2nd, 2015 8:23 PM Author: Trip shaky casino
That's like complaining that a Delta operator armed with a SCAR would lose to a fight with a Samurai assuming they were locked in a small closet together.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3007132&forum_id=2#28887011)
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Date: October 2nd, 2015 8:44 PM Author: Exciting stag film
Yeah, right. There's always an explanation with you so that the final answer is "Russian military kicks ass, bro."
Your air force struggled against freaking Georgia.
That's the reality.
Deal with it.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3007132&forum_id=2#28887149) |
Date: October 2nd, 2015 8:34 PM Author: impertinent factory reset button library
relevance of f22 vs typhoon hypo?
I mean, the F22 and Typhoon are not going to fight. F-22 vs. J-10 or Su35 is relevant.
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Date: October 2nd, 2015 8:57 PM Author: Mauve razzle-dazzle business firm
Update, July 31: Some commenters claim the Red Flag exercise is not indicative of the way the F-22 would fight in the real world. In an actual shooting war, an F-22’s opponent “won’t make it to visual range,” one reader asserted. The Raptor’s stealth would allow it to sneak up high and fast and kill the enemy from long range using an AMRAAM missile, commenters insist.
But that’s assuming two things. One, that the rules of engagement in a future conflict will allow to the Air Force to shoot down targets without visually identifying them — a risky assumption given the world’s increasingly crowded airspace. Two, that the AMRAAM even works. Missile-maker Raytheon hasn’t delivered a new AMRAAM in two years after it was found that the weapon’s rocket motor doesn’t work in a cold environment, which is exactly where the high-flying F-22 is most at home.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3007132&forum_id=2#28887246) |
Date: October 2nd, 2015 8:58 PM Author: Mauve razzle-dazzle business firm
According to German pilots, the Eurofighter's and Raptors squared off in one vs. one engagements (Basic Fighter Maneuvering or BFM) at visual range. Luftwaffe pilots got as close to the raptors as possible and squared off in the merge.
"As soon as you get to the merge … the Typhoon doesn’t necessarily have to fear the F-22”- Major Marc Grunene
Luftwaffe pilots claim that they were able to achieve several Raptor kills in mock dogfights at visual range. At visual range, the Luftwaffe pilots noted that they were fairly evenly matched with the Raptor. Using their HMD's and simulated off bore sight missiles, the German pilots were able to score several Raptor kills. It is unknown how many Raptors the Germans actually managed to "kill" and how many Eurofighter's were lost in the effort. At least four Raptors were killed (three Raptor kill markings on one Eurofighter and a single kill marking on the second) judging from photographs taken by Dietmar Fenners posted on the The Aviationist website.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3007132&forum_id=2#28887254) |
Date: October 2nd, 2015 9:00 PM Author: Mauve razzle-dazzle business firm
Admittedly, advanced air forces plan to do most of their fighting at long range and avoid the risky, close-in tangle — something Gruene acknowledged in his comments to Combat Aircraft. But there’s evidence that, in reality, most air combat occurs at close distance, despite air arms’ wishful thinking. That could bode poorly for the F-22’s chances in a future conflict.
In a 2008 study (big file!), the Air Force-funded think tank RAND warned against assuming long-range missiles will work. RAND looked at 588 air-to-air shoot-downs since the 1950s and counted just 24 that occurred with the attacker firing from beyond visual range. Historically, American long-range air-to-air missiles have been 90-percent less effective than predicted, RAND asserted.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3007132&forum_id=2#28887271) |
Date: October 2nd, 2015 9:29 PM Author: Motley useless den selfie
in real war it is AWACS/networked fighters and total information awareness where US would PWN AND CRUSH every other AF in the world. dog fight in WVR range will be extremely rare and one off situations and even here F22 should have an advantage due to its exceptional TW ratio. Also no aircraft will have a 100% kill rate and Typhoon is a super capable aircraft in its own right so some raptor losses is to be expected
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3007132&forum_id=2#28887446)
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