After leaving biglaw, realize its actually a great gig minus the people
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Date: October 21st, 2015 12:39 AM Author: dead water buffalo
Biglaw is very unique in that it gives people the opportunity to work at a job where you actually get to think. Most corporate jobs involve 100% mindless shit. Even if biglaw was 60% mindless shit, it still beats what I have seen post biglaw. You get paid a lot and the hours are not really worse than anything else making similar money. Law is not a bad career at all.
The one and only problem with biglaw is that you are surrounded by people who are determined to be fucking miserable and convince others that they have the most miserable life possible. I have seen multiple people in biglaw continue to overwork themselves even when people told them to stop. This toxicity becomes a virus and pretty soon everyone's misery infects everyone else. People literally clean up toilets with a better attitude than lawyers at work.
If you can find a place without toxic people, I truly believe law is a great career. Most people like me left biglaw not because the work sucked, but rather because they could no longer take a toxic environment mired in negativity.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022781&forum_id=2#29011424)
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Date: October 21st, 2015 12:48 AM Author: dead water buffalo
Transactional in secondary market. I was too worried about getting to another toxic place. Then again 20% of the associates in my office quit within a week of each other so it clearly wasn't me.
I now do the business side at a company similar to many of my prior clients. I find the work incredibly boring and unchallenging. Everything I do I could have done with my high school degree.
I'm applying to small firms again.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022781&forum_id=2#29011471) |
Date: October 21st, 2015 12:42 AM Author: Glassy impressive hell
"Biglaw is very unique in that it gives people the opportunity to work at a job where you actually get to think. Most corporate jobs involve 100% mindless shit."
I do not understand the apparently very common belief on XO that legal work is intellectually stimulating in way that non-legal work is not. Since you appear to be a textbook example of this, please fill me in.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022781&forum_id=2#29011450) |
Date: October 21st, 2015 12:45 AM Author: sooty arousing trailer park organic girlfriend
biglaw is fine if you don't care too much about it. you need to know how to push back from day 1.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022781&forum_id=2#29011457)
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Date: October 22nd, 2015 9:03 AM Author: onyx racy newt
CR.
In law, there are "real problems" in that there's something that needs to be taken care of. This constitutes roughly 10% of biglaw.
Then there are "fake problems," in which nothing is really wrong, but the client is freaking out so you have to placate them. This is another 20% of biglaw.
Then there are "fake fake problems" in which nothing is wrong, the client is chill, but the partner has imagined a situation in which something could potentially go wrong and making sure it doesn't has become an emergency ("But what if our conveyance of real property is deemed to be governed under admiralty law? WHAT THEN? Please do a survey of every circuit by CoB, thank.") This is the remaining 70% of biglaw and the source of roughly 90% of the complaints.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022781&forum_id=2#29020491) |
Date: October 22nd, 2015 4:50 AM Author: Cyan casino haunted graveyard
99% of transactional work amounts to glorified rent seeking. No one actually gives a fuck what the lawyers do on a deal. Corporate lawyer fight tooth and nail for points that their clients don't actually care about.
Being a corporate lawyer rather than someone involved in the business side is a joke.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022781&forum_id=2#29020126) |
Date: October 22nd, 2015 11:25 AM Author: copper lay
I'd rather do something mindless for work and devote my mental energy to things I actually enjoy and the people I love.
I think the workaholic mindset of the lawyer is a symptom of lawyers generally needing to feel important and deriving their sense of worth from work. Hence, if you stop working you become worthless and unimportant.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022781&forum_id=2#29021142) |
Date: October 22nd, 2015 11:55 AM Author: Topaz temple therapy
When you get to just be a "trusted advisor" and the client calls you personally for advice and not the partner (a client I brought in, mind you), that was the 180 aspect of the job. To then back that up with some serious analysis and thought, loved that aspect of it.
But I had a partner I worked with that drove me out of biglaw. Tremendous micromanager, ridiculed every little aspect of everything, came up with ridiculous scenarios that required analysis even though there was no way the scenario could ever happen, required constant check ins (standing meeting every week), wouldnt check email, etc. I left because of it as did others.
I wonder if my situation wouldve been different at the other firms I had offers from because aspects of the job were great minus dealing with him.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3022781&forum_id=2#29021305) |
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