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35% of Firm Leaders Say IBMs Watson Can Replace Associates (link-not flame)
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Date: October 28th, 2015 10:09 AM Author: glassy sandwich haunted graveyard An increasing number of law firm leaders believe first-year associates and paralegals could be replaced by a “Watson”-type computer with artificial intelligence in the next five to 10 years. Watson is an IBM product described as a “cognitive computing” system.
Thirty-five percent of surveyed law firm leaders say they can envision first-year associates being replaced by artificial intelligence in that time period, and 47 percent said they can envision paralegals being replaced with AI computing.
That is a jump from 2011, when 23 percent of law firm leaders believed first-year associates could be replaced with artificial intelligence and 35 percent believed paralegals could be replaced. The Am Law Daily (sub. req.) has the story on the Altman Weil survey findings (PDF).
Twenty percent of law firm leaders surveyed this year said computers will never replace human practitioners, down from 46 percent in 2011.
The Altman Weil survey received responses from managing partners and chairs of 320 law firms with 50 or more lawyers.
Watson is already making some headway in law firms. In August, Dentons said it was helping train a Watson legal database called ROSS in U.S. bankruptcy law. Latham & Watkins is also working with Watson-derived applications, including predicting coding technologies, according to the Am Law Daily story.
But some law firm leaders interviewed by the Am Law Daily said first-year associates will always be needed at law firms. Latham chair Bill Voge said associates may be the first to master computer systems using artificial intelligence. “No matter what we plan on the technology front, we will always have first year associates,” Voge told the publication. “They are the future partners of our firm.” |
Date: October 28th, 2015 10:12 AM Author: Self-centered supple doctorate gunner LJL. Just how much first year associate/paralegal work could be done by an AI is an interesting question, but asking "firm leaders" is absurd. These are, for the most part, the same guys who edit documents by having their secretary print it out, making handwritten edits, and then having a junior associate word process them. Which, by the way, is something Watson probably couldn't do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3029226&forum_id=2#29058462) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 10:14 AM Author: chrome painfully honest bawdyhouse indirect expression (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3029226&forum_id=2#29058468) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 10:16 AM Author: Self-centered supple doctorate gunner I'd love to see how good they are-- in my experience, the handwriting is so bad that it requires substantive legal knowledge to infer what a bunch of the words are-- e.g., 'm*t**n' is probably motion, but that's only obvious because of context. If watson actually can do that, then I wish he was around when I was a first year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3029226&forum_id=2#29058484) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 10:44 AM Author: chrome painfully honest bawdyhouse indirect expression (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3029226&forum_id=2#29058627) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 10:46 AM Author: Soul-stirring Bistre Deer Antler Native Watson can look at 1,000,000 pages of data representing patient outcomes for various drug treatments and come up with brand new ways to fight diseases. it can also pwn Ken Jennings and Brad Rutter at jeopardy even with categories like "before and after" and others that require creativity rather than just regurgitating facts. it could absolutely make edits to a doc and it could do it in a matter of seconds ... which will probably be the reason firms will be SUPER SLOW in replacing associates even if the tech allows it. can't bill 2200 hours for stuff that Watson does in seconds. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3029226&forum_id=2#29058639) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 10:47 AM Author: chrome painfully honest bawdyhouse indirect expression (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3029226&forum_id=2#29058648) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 11:05 AM Author: pontificating multi-colored space water buffalo Assuming Watson could do that sort of work, smaller firms would use Watson and force bigger firms to use it just to keep up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3029226&forum_id=2#29058748) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 11:40 AM Author: infuriating temple You would bill for the access to the license and the ability to feed the program the right inputs and checking the outputs. IBM (or whoever) will set the price of the license based on demand from firms but the op ex involved in reselling a license is much lower than the cost to employ associates. It will be a lower revenue but higher margin model, at least initially. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3029226&forum_id=2#29058993) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 10:15 AM Author: glassy sandwich haunted graveyard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3029226&forum_id=2#29058475) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 10:17 AM Author: concupiscible aquamarine stag film lol at "law firm leaders" having any idea of what AI systems can actually do.
"A magic box that does anything I want? Sign me up!" |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 11:43 AM Author: Spectacular Halford (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3029226&forum_id=2#29059005) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 10:19 AM Author: wine garrison son of senegal I think realistically this is going to be a huge benefit to small law firm's and shitlawyers that don't have legions of associates capable of doing heavy motion work
You may have a system where The big boys try to flood the little guy with motions and shit lawyer can simply tell good old Watson need an opposition brief need an opposition to motion summary judgment demurrer |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 10:28 AM Author: Charismatic Slimy Useless Brakes yeah, its hard to see how some sort of Watson like technology doesn't eliminate a lot of the big firms competitive advantages over smaller boutique type places (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3029226&forum_id=2#29058552) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 11:08 AM Author: pontificating multi-colored space water buffalo Completely writing significant briefs is one of the last things it will be able to do.
By then, we'll be on the doorstep of strong AI and the end of humanity.
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Date: October 28th, 2015 11:16 AM Author: wine garrison son of senegal even if it doesn't actually write it out, the leg work is in legal research/shepardizing.
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Date: October 28th, 2015 1:12 PM Author: pontificating multi-colored space water buffalo That's too generic. Describe the specific tasks you would give it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3029226&forum_id=2#29059536) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 11:34 AM Author: transparent chapel Imagine how much easier it’ll be to respond when WATSON can draft a Statement of Undisputed Material Facts and indexing exhibits fir you.
Writing the brief is easy, it’s the organizational bullshit that makes it a headache |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 11:24 AM Author: Khaki passionate den ceo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3029226&forum_id=2#29058874) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 10:23 AM Author: Electric rose pit i assumed this was flame given the lack of any link but no
http://m.americanlawyer.com/module/alm/app/tal.do#!/article/1755738613 |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 10:31 AM Author: Boyish internet-worthy cuck place of business Partners fucking lose it on any slight IT change. If you get new phones and the firm basically shut down for a week and these old fucks are going to use AI? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3029226&forum_id=2#29058572) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 11:11 AM Author: pontificating multi-colored space water buffalo http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2989678&forum_id=2 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3029226&forum_id=2#29058786) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 1:08 PM Author: appetizing laser beams theatre "What was wrong with Windows 95?" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3029226&forum_id=2#29059520) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 10:34 AM Author: bright fortuitous meteor gas station Where are they going to get second years if they stop hiring first years? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3029226&forum_id=2#29058591) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 10:43 AM Author: Spruce Nursing Home Legal Warrant First year going on second year here. 100% confident a computer could do what I do and do it better/more efficiently (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3029226&forum_id=2#29058623) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 10:48 AM Author: Soul-stirring Bistre Deer Antler Native I will LOL when law firms get FUCKED by clients who insist they use Watson for 5 seconds instead of having an army of shitty associates churning bills (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3029226&forum_id=2#29058656) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 10:53 AM Author: bright fortuitous meteor gas station Yeah this seems incredibly short sighted. When you charge per hour, moving faster shouldn't be a priority (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3029226&forum_id=2#29058680) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 11:13 AM Author: pontificating multi-colored space water buffalo And then, BAM, a small firm charging flat fees steals all your work.
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Date: December 10th, 2018 11:36 AM Author: transparent chapel titcBAM (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3029226&forum_id=2#37382515) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 11:14 AM Author: Stimulating Frum Senate Alpha well I guess we finally know how the computer from "I have no mouth and I must scream" developed its feelings towards humanity (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3029226&forum_id=2#29058801) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 11:17 AM Author: Mind-boggling Snowy Ladyboy Latham & Watkins is also working with Watson-derived applications
Latham & Watkins is also working with Watson-derived applications
Latham & Watkins is also working with Watson-derived applications |
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Date: July 3rd, 2019 10:55 AM Author: Electric rose pit Latham & Watsons (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3029226&forum_id=2#38477985) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 11:23 AM Author: Khaki passionate den ceo amusingly, this will facilitate the return of real lawyering at every level of the profession rather than just shitlaw & gov
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Date: December 10th, 2018 11:39 AM Author: fighting swashbuckling cumskin Sure, for the 20% who survive the AI Terminator revolution. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3029226&forum_id=2#37382534) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 11:55 AM Author: aphrodisiac weed whacker new dentons associate. first day. ross.
"Watson is already making some headway in law firms. In August, Dentons said it was helping train a Watson legal database called ROSS in U.S. bankruptcy law." |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 10:54 AM Author: Mind-boggling Snowy Ladyboy This guy?
https://www.dentons.com/en/rick-ross |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 12:26 PM Author: disturbing amethyst genital piercing mexican You process down the hallway, Firm Level 172, toward the solitary point of glowing red light at its end. You've been with the firm now for three months--time for your quarterly review. A full week's worth of preparation distills down to this single task: Justify your existence. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3029226&forum_id=2#29059256) |
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Date: October 28th, 2015 12:59 PM Author: sadistic misunderstood gaming laptop “No matter what we plan on the technology front, we will always have first year associates,” Voge told the publication. “They are the future partners of our firm.”
As much bullshit as this is, in that most first-years will never become partners, he manages to be kind of right. While it's true that a computer probably will be able to supplant first-years, it won't be able to replace mid-levels and seniors, and you can't have mid-levels and seniors if you don't have any first-years. |
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Date: August 15th, 2018 8:50 PM Author: glassy sandwich haunted graveyard xo Voge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3029226&forum_id=2#36623579) |
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Date: December 16th, 2017 3:26 AM Author: glassy sandwich haunted graveyard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3029226&forum_id=2#34933164) |
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Date: August 15th, 2018 8:49 PM Author: glassy sandwich haunted graveyard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3029226&forum_id=2#36623574) |
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Date: August 15th, 2018 9:01 PM Author: marvelous twinkling indian lodge queen of the night 35% of Law Firm Clients Say IBMs Watson Can Replace Law Firm Leaders (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3029226&forum_id=2#36623638) |
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Date: August 15th, 2018 9:05 PM Author: Charcoal Histrionic Boistinker Generalized Bond No one with a clue thinks Watson is worth shit. So, naturally, law firm leaders refer to it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3029226&forum_id=2#36623657) |
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Date: August 15th, 2018 9:06 PM Author: glassy sandwich haunted graveyard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3029226&forum_id=2#36623662) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 8:35 AM Author: Razzle-dazzle Jet Athletic Conference Field It wont do jack in litigation but operations teams do all manner of filing work that nominally gets signed off on or checked by a lawyer. That stuff will all be automated. Think FRY-6/10 reporting or any kind of reporting to HUD or whatever. Legions of humans touch this stuff. All the humans can be replaced. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3029226&forum_id=2#37381651) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 10:50 AM Author: Titillating Regret Doc review has undergone a lot of automation and Watson AI will push that even further. The next frontier is legal research and memos. I don't think it's too crazy to think that Watson can answer research questions and spit back relevant cases and some basic analysis. That's a big chunk of a junior biglawyer litigator's work. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3029226&forum_id=2#37382175) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 8:28 AM Author: glassy sandwich haunted graveyard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3029226&forum_id=2#37381635) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 8:33 AM Author: Razzle-dazzle Jet Athletic Conference Field I do this shit now in-house. We are building a statutory filing system to handle all manner of filings for us. The problem is the technology is mostly flame and you need armies of coders to replace your armies of associates and the work never ends for the coders because of change engines and shit constantly needing tweaking. So at best you replace that 180k a year associate with a 75k a year coder in Ohio. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3029226&forum_id=2#37381646) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 9:54 AM Author: exciting henna foreskin Taxi drivers to lawyers: "Damn, that sucks yo. Maybe learn to code or something?" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3029226&forum_id=2#37381879) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 9:55 AM Author: stirring turquoise locus new version Where are we on this? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3029226&forum_id=2#37381880) |
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Date: December 10th, 2018 10:00 AM Author: Beady-eyed Party Of The First Part not much change at law firms, but i hear the big four audit firms who are looking to get into law are using AI bots to do DD and that their output is much more user friendly than traditional law firm reports (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3029226&forum_id=2#37381896) |
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