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Try this Logic Problem and explain your reasoning

At a large elementary school researchers studied a small gro...
Contagious bossy hominid cruise ship
  11/20/15
oh boy a real brain teaser eh
Sable nighttime state
  11/20/15
C
blathering vigorous heaven personal credit line
  11/20/15
Why C?
Contagious bossy hominid cruise ship
  11/20/15
C provides another explanation for why their scores went up ...
razzle market
  11/20/15
Yeah that actually make sense.
rambunctious racy ape corner
  11/20/15
FMA I didn't make that connection.
hyperventilating ratface goyim
  11/20/15
it jumped off the page dood
Unhinged hospital private investor
  11/20/15
The key word is "sought." Also, obese people sh...
wild poppy hell
  11/20/15
I find this question culturally biased.
Garnet Mind-boggling Nursing Home
  11/20/15
we play OTHELLO in are country
Sable nighttime state
  11/20/15
D, because it could suggest that any additional program migh...
rambunctious racy ape corner
  11/20/15
F. Students of African descent were culturally alienated by ...
exhilarant hall wagecucks
  11/20/15
Oral tradition, actually.
wonderful dead pocket flask spot
  11/20/15
G. Azns, the subgroup most likely to complete the go program...
Sable nighttime state
  11/20/15
Is it B?
Demanding exciting reading party headpube
  11/20/15
retard or sarcasm?
blathering vigorous heaven personal credit line
  11/20/15
B. Study is not randomized is the problem w/ the argument, a...
Bistre kitchen philosopher-king
  11/20/15
it's not an issue if you are only comparing performance incr...
Soul-stirring Office Regret
  11/20/15
"and didn't improve their achievement" A doesn't ...
hyperventilating ratface goyim
  11/20/15
B Didn't read c d or e. Edit. Read the rest of the ch...
tripping patrolman
  11/20/15
EDIT: shit, i misread the question. the key word is "in...
overrated stead
  11/20/15
C
zombie-like hilarious community account
  11/20/15
C is right
Contagious bossy hominid cruise ship
  11/20/15
I would have put C on the real test, but it is a dumb answer...
Bistre kitchen philosopher-king
  11/20/15
...the idea is that because they ended up liking go and all ...
Sable nighttime state
  11/20/15
I understand why it is tcr, it's just illogical as phrased. ...
Bistre kitchen philosopher-king
  11/20/15
are you retarded? the entire arugment is that passing the co...
blathering vigorous heaven personal credit line
  11/20/15
I see it, but lots of kids are motivated and don't actually ...
Bistre kitchen philosopher-king
  11/20/15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRxqY4wuTHw
Sable nighttime state
  11/20/15
wtf are you even saying? is english your first language? ...
blathering vigorous heaven personal credit line
  11/20/15
You seem dumb. The argument is that people who finished the ...
Bistre kitchen philosopher-king
  11/20/15
(guy MAF about his 153 LSAT score)
blathering vigorous heaven personal credit line
  11/20/15
are you a fuckin retard?
Rough-skinned concupiscible kitty
  11/22/15
there is a logical connection, because the Go-program kids a...
rambunctious racy ape corner
  11/20/15
No, it just says they "sought membership." Wait...
Bistre kitchen philosopher-king
  11/20/15
I seek membership to prestigious law school in America. I ha...
Sable nighttime state
  11/20/15
so, many of the students in question had a potential cause o...
rambunctious racy ape corner
  11/20/15
But it doesn't, I can't assume that wanting to be on the go ...
Bistre kitchen philosopher-king
  11/20/15
I don't think it's a great question, but I disagree that the...
rambunctious racy ape corner
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I think we are having a verbal dispute over the meaning of t...
Bistre kitchen philosopher-king
  11/20/15
I thought of a cleaner way to illustrate my point. C boils d...
Bistre kitchen philosopher-king
  11/20/15
At the very least, even if we are ignoring common sense if c...
rambunctious racy ape corner
  11/20/15
Yes, but you could say the same about b, except that b is st...
Bistre kitchen philosopher-king
  11/20/15
You can declare whatever you want, but B only introduces a v...
rambunctious racy ape corner
  11/20/15
Not so fast - it implies that the completion group had highe...
Bistre kitchen philosopher-king
  11/20/15
wut?
rambunctious racy ape corner
  11/20/15
You said B introduces a variable about students who don't fa...
Bistre kitchen philosopher-king
  11/20/15
"With no facts showing that additional motivation trans...
Sable nighttime state
  11/20/15
Ok, so now you've finally understood my point. I'm happy.
Bistre kitchen philosopher-king
  11/20/15
I hope you're not one of those posters who bitch about peopl...
Sable nighttime state
  11/20/15
The reason it is obvious c is tcr is that shitlibs wrote the...
Bistre kitchen philosopher-king
  11/20/15
lol it's not asking you to accept the premise overall, it's ...
Sable nighttime state
  11/20/15
It asks you to accept, as a causal mechanism for higher gpa,...
Bistre kitchen philosopher-king
  11/20/15
the question isnt "how would you design a rigorous scie...
Sable nighttime state
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Right, and the people who wrote the test, which caters to du...
Bistre kitchen philosopher-king
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The inventors of the FAGGOT POZ PILL claim that the FAGGOT P...
Sable nighttime state
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not "reduces the chances," but "contributes t...
hyperventilating ratface goyim
  11/20/15
*hands u a Worthers Original(TM)*
Sable nighttime state
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ty man :)
hyperventilating ratface goyim
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...
Demanding exciting reading party headpube
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wholly shit xo is done here.
costumed orchid fat ankles
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C is a pretty easy choice for anyone with a 170+ LSAT.
brilliant ticket booth
  11/20/15
Wasn't an easy choice for me, but I only got 170. :(
rambunctious racy ape corner
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It's definitely not A or B. It seems like C, D, and E are...
curious soggy tanning salon fanboi
  11/20/15
I don't see how E could be right.
rambunctious racy ape corner
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jfc lots of dumb fucks on this site how. it look like 20 sec...
blathering vigorous heaven personal credit line
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I don't know. I think both D and C tend to undermine the ar...
rambunctious racy ape corner
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D is just a random observation. it has nothing to do with th...
Sable nighttime state
  11/20/15
I disagree. If a non-Go extracurricular program also result...
rambunctious racy ape corner
  11/20/15
no it just means that there is moar than one way to enhance ...
Glassy Church Building Athletic Conference
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Sure. Like offering someone entry to a Go-club if they get ...
rambunctious racy ape corner
  11/20/15
sorry bro. if the arugment was running got the kids fit, say...
blathering vigorous heaven personal credit line
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I think it would, or could, undermine the argument that a ce...
rambunctious racy ape corner
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we dont have not X to be fair. We have X --> Y and Z -...
blathering vigorous heaven personal credit line
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I think it's fair to assume that the "after school stud...
rambunctious racy ape corner
  11/20/15
But anytime you have "X -> Y" AND "Not X -...
Sable nighttime state
  11/20/15
jfc. it doesn't argue that "playing go is the cause of ...
Sable nighttime state
  11/20/15
I understand that. My argument is not predicated on that pr...
rambunctious racy ape corner
  11/20/15
Some gay frozen scientists in Siberia decided to sick bear o...
Sable nighttime state
  11/20/15
Yeah, so, typing in English would make this easier. It un...
rambunctious racy ape corner
  11/20/15
Fool. Nowhere say fear directly cause lung capacity. Fear bu...
Sable nighttime state
  11/20/15
Ok, I'm going to stop responding to you now.
rambunctious racy ape corner
  11/20/15
don't apply to law school
Clear famous landscape painting immigrant
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Who the fuck cares about what worked or didn't work for othe...
Provocative frisky bawdyhouse
  11/20/15
Look, if program X+1, X+2, and X+3 all result in higher achi...
rambunctious racy ape corner
  11/20/15
I can't help you if you think D even remotely undermines the...
blathering vigorous heaven personal credit line
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Not a woman. See my explanation above.
rambunctious racy ape corner
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(C) Many of the children who completed the program subsequen...
blathering vigorous heaven personal credit line
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I'm not disputing that C undermines the argument also.
rambunctious racy ape corner
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yea correct me if i'm wrong but for this question as phrased...
Glassy Church Building Athletic Conference
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I knew it was C when I immediately read it but I still went ...
Sick theatre
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JFC why am i here
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I wonder sometimes too brother. A bunch of retards poast on ...
blathering vigorous heaven personal credit line
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...
Glassy Church Building Athletic Conference
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LIBTEAMSIX, what i don't get about C is that it could eas...
beady-eyed umber theater stage round eye
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(C) Many of the children who completed the program subsequen...
Sable nighttime state
  11/20/15
but do you see how my interpretation is consistent with the ...
beady-eyed umber theater stage round eye
  11/20/15
sure, but a test question isn't going to try to trick someon...
Sable nighttime state
  11/20/15
meh, i'm a 178 lsat bro just a little stumped by this questi...
beady-eyed umber theater stage round eye
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...
Bistre kitchen philosopher-king
  11/20/15
mojito I really think your lack of an autism spectrum disord...
Bistre kitchen philosopher-king
  11/20/15
TY
Sable nighttime state
  11/20/15
. . . a COMPELLING argument that C is NOT the correct answer...
appetizing rehab
  11/20/15
People struggling with this, imagine instead that these were...
hyperventilating ratface goyim
  11/20/15
nobody is legitimately struggling after the reasoning has be...
Sable nighttime state
  11/20/15
(guy who pretended he couldn't form a sentence in English to...
rambunctious racy ape corner
  11/20/15
http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&mc=108&a...
Sable nighttime state
  11/20/15
tyft op is flawed because nobody is actually motivated to...
Mischievous idiot coldplay fan
  11/21/15
I picked C because it looked the most correct but this quest...
amber trip brethren
  11/20/15
yes, it's very ambiguous.
beady-eyed umber theater stage round eye
  11/20/15
tbf, this is the best critique ITT c is basically the onl...
Sable nighttime state
  11/20/15
what was your lsat score
beady-eyed umber theater stage round eye
  11/20/15
ljl I've fucked up many ways in life but never have I ever c...
Sable nighttime state
  11/20/15
much more information is needed to pick the 'best' of the po...
appetizing rehab
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...
Bistre kitchen philosopher-king
  11/20/15
Stereotype threats got in the way.
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yeah was really hoping for racist flame. disappointed.
Clear famous landscape painting immigrant
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shitlawyer here pciked B
glittery nubile gay wizard
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I don't think this is a real LSAT question--they tend to be ...
Mischievous idiot coldplay fan
  11/21/15
if the credited response is not D, i will eat my hat. it'...
razzmatazz walnut gas station
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The "mere treatment effect" Also agreed re man...
Bistre kitchen philosopher-king
  11/21/15
the credited response is C and it's real
Contagious bossy hominid cruise ship
  11/21/15
I bet your state school classmates would have found this ver...
Floppy volcanic crater lettuce
  11/21/15
...the rat-faced man chortled
razzmatazz walnut gas station
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C, obviously. it wasn't the program that improved their g...
shaky sickened locus newt
  11/21/15
I think we can all agree that it is a dumb, confusing questi...
rebellious vengeful electric furnace
  11/21/15
See the actual best answer H) above. Also, there's no pla...
Mischievous idiot coldplay fan
  11/21/15
C obviously. jfc. most of the other ones are completely unre...
Sick theatre
  11/21/15
169 lsat here picked B
Narrow-minded parlor
  11/21/15
this question is a joke. the only answer that relates to kid...
swashbuckling boistinker shitlib
  11/22/15


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Date: November 20th, 2015 4:23 PM
Author: Contagious bossy hominid cruise ship

At a large elementary school researchers studied a small group of children who successfully completed an experimental program in which they learned to play go. The study found that most of the children who completed the program soon showed a significant increase in achievement levels in all of their schoolwork. Thus, it is likely that the reasoning power and spatial intuition exercised in go-playing also contribute to achievement in many other areas of intellectual activity.

Which one of the following, if true, most tends to undermine the argument?

(A) Some students who did not participate in the go program had learned to play go at home.

(B) Those children who began the program but who did not successfully complete it had lower preprogram levels of achievement than did those who eventually did successfully complete the program.

(C) Many of the children who completed the program subsequently sought membership on a school go team that required a high grade average for membership.

(D) Some students who did not participate in the program participated instead in after-school study sessions that helped them reach much higher levels of achievement in the year after they attended the sessions.

(E) At least some of the students who did not successfully complete the program were nevertheless more talented go players than some of the students who did complete the program.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221188)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 4:25 PM
Author: Sable nighttime state

oh boy a real brain teaser eh

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221194)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 4:25 PM
Author: blathering vigorous heaven personal credit line

C

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221197)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 4:43 PM
Author: Contagious bossy hominid cruise ship

Why C?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221288)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 4:46 PM
Author: razzle market

C provides another explanation for why their scores went up - they wanted to join the team and had to get good grades to do so.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221303)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 5:18 PM
Author: rambunctious racy ape corner

Yeah that actually make sense.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221433)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 5:21 PM
Author: hyperventilating ratface goyim

FMA I didn't make that connection.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221447)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 6:58 PM
Author: Unhinged hospital private investor

it jumped off the page dood

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29222011)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 7:46 PM
Author: wild poppy hell

The key word is "sought."

Also, obese people should not be allowed to use public transportation.

Obese people should not be aloud.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29222349)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 4:26 PM
Author: Garnet Mind-boggling Nursing Home

I find this question culturally biased.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221206)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 4:28 PM
Author: Sable nighttime state

we play OTHELLO in are country

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221211)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 5:17 PM
Author: rambunctious racy ape corner

D, because it could suggest that any additional program might aid in achievement, and undermines the notion that spatial reasoning inherent in Go had anything to do with the higher achievement.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221425)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 4:29 PM
Author: exhilarant hall wagecucks

F. Students of African descent were culturally alienated by the game and would have been better served by learning traditional African strategy games.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221220)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 4:33 PM
Author: wonderful dead pocket flask spot

Oral tradition, actually.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221246)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 4:31 PM
Author: Sable nighttime state

G. Azns, the subgroup most likely to complete the go program, were pressured to increase their level of academic achievement so they could "try harder and be in study at yale next time".

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221233)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 4:32 PM
Author: Demanding exciting reading party headpube

Is it B?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221236)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 4:33 PM
Author: blathering vigorous heaven personal credit line

retard or sarcasm?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221242)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 4:34 PM
Author: Bistre kitchen philosopher-king

B. Study is not randomized is the problem w/ the argument, and B is closest to identifying this problem.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221249)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 4:44 PM
Author: Soul-stirring Office Regret

it's not an issue if you are only comparing performance increases for individual children. it would be an issue if you were looking at an average.

i'm going with a, niggers. if the kids learned to play at home, given the methodology of the game was the same, and didn't improve their achievement, then the conclusion is weakened.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221295)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 5:17 PM
Author: hyperventilating ratface goyim

"and didn't improve their achievement"

A doesn't say that, it just says some learned to play at home.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221426)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 4:36 PM
Author: tripping patrolman

B

Didn't read c d or e.

Edit. Read the rest of the choices. It's c.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221254)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 4:49 PM
Author: overrated stead

EDIT: shit, i misread the question. the key word is "increase" in achievement. i'm gonna go with C.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221320)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 4:51 PM
Author: zombie-like hilarious community account

C

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221330)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 5:06 PM
Author: Contagious bossy hominid cruise ship

C is right

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221390)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 5:22 PM
Author: Bistre kitchen philosopher-king

I would have put C on the real test, but it is a dumb answer, bc the fact that the students SOUGHT ADMISSION logically says nothing about whether / how much their performance improved.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221452)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 5:46 PM
Author: Sable nighttime state

...the idea is that because they ended up liking go and all wanted to join the preftigiouf go club it introduces the possibility they had to raise their gpas to do so, which was the real cause of the improvement. like a wrestler only getting Cs so he can wrestle, not because he cares about getting a D-. so you're now studying the impact of two things at once

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221583)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 5:49 PM
Author: Bistre kitchen philosopher-king

I understand why it is tcr, it's just illogical as phrased. It provides an alternate causal mechanism that is purely speculative because based on motive only. That does not undermine the equally speculative argument in the stem.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221606)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 5:51 PM
Author: blathering vigorous heaven personal credit line

are you retarded? the entire arugment is that passing the course caused these kids to do better when you are given an alternative that after passing the course, these kids were given the option of something and it was that something that motivated them to do better. if you can't see that, you are retarded

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221616)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 5:54 PM
Author: Bistre kitchen philosopher-king

I see it, but lots of kids are motivated and don't actually increase their grades. So it's just a just so story. There's no logical connection bt motivation and grades, hence, as a logical matter, it does not undermine the argument.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221650)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 5:55 PM
Author: Sable nighttime state

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRxqY4wuTHw

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221660)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 5:58 PM
Author: blathering vigorous heaven personal credit line

wtf are you even saying? is english your first language?

(C) Many of the children who completed the program subsequently sought membership on a school go team that required a high grade average for membership

TIP: Many of the kids who finished the program increased their performance because they wanted to join this team. This is the same arugment as "niggers who tried out and completed basketball tryouts had increased grades compared to niggers who didnt, therefore trying out for basketball causes niggers to do better in school. you know what weakens that arugment? if the niggers overall who completed tryouts only did better in school because some of them wanted to be on the nigger basketball school, hence it wasnt the "completeing the tryout" but rather joining the team. the niggers who didn't complete the tryouts are clearly not no the team and are still being niggers with no improvement. does this help?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221686)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 6:04 PM
Author: Bistre kitchen philosopher-king

You seem dumb. The argument is that people who finished the go program did better in school bc go helps with reasoning. Answer c says that many of the people who finished the program tried out for a go team that requires a high gpa. To accept that this fact undermines the argument, you have to assume that merely trying out for this go program therefore implies that the students (in fact a sizeable proportion of the non-dropouts) would raise their GPA. There is a PRACTICAL or INFORMAL argument to be made that this would be the case, but it is not a logical one - sheer speculation.

You seem dumb.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221718)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 6:05 PM
Author: blathering vigorous heaven personal credit line

(guy MAF about his 153 LSAT score)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221723)



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Date: November 22nd, 2015 10:32 AM
Author: Rough-skinned concupiscible kitty

are you a fuckin retard?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29229360)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 5:59 PM
Author: rambunctious racy ape corner

there is a logical connection, because the Go-program kids are more likely to want to get into the high-grade-Go-club than kids who have never heard of Go in their life.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221697)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 6:05 PM
Author: Bistre kitchen philosopher-king

No, it just says they "sought membership."

Wait sry I misread your poast. What you said is not sound - wanting to be on the team has no necessary connection with having the GPA to maek it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221722)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 6:09 PM
Author: Sable nighttime state

I seek membership to prestigious law school in America. I have much training in the arts of political science, professor say help with law. I enter good law because political science, or because study LSAT which need for law club result in good?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221733)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 6:10 PM
Author: rambunctious racy ape corner

so, many of the students in question had a potential cause of increased performance. That tends to undermine the conclusion that the Go program (or at least the spacial logic attributes) caused the increased performance.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221736)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 6:15 PM
Author: Bistre kitchen philosopher-king

But it doesn't, I can't assume that wanting to be on the go club actually helps your gpa. There's no logical connection. That's my point.

I do understand why it's tcr. But it is for dumbs. Identifying another wholly speculative cause doesn't undermine the stem argument re a speculative cause.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221763)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 6:19 PM
Author: rambunctious racy ape corner

I don't think it's a great question, but I disagree that there is no logical connection between needing a higher GPA to get something you want and achieving a higher GPA.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221784)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 6:23 PM
Author: Bistre kitchen philosopher-king

I think we are having a verbal dispute over the meaning of the word "logical."

I'm just saying that you need a factual premise to make the relation work, and that premise is not supplied by the prompt here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221800)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 6:20 PM
Author: Bistre kitchen philosopher-king

I thought of a cleaner way to illustrate my point. C boils down to the premise that playing go provided a motive for the students to increase their gpa. With no facts showing that additional motivation translates to higher gpa, I don't see how this new fact casts doubt on the original speculative explanation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221786)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 6:21 PM
Author: rambunctious racy ape corner

At the very least, even if we are ignoring common sense if common sense is not explicit in the fact pattern, it introduces an extra variable for many of those who participated in the program, which tends to undermine the conclusion that one particular variable is the identifiable cause of a result.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221794)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 6:28 PM
Author: Bistre kitchen philosopher-king

Yes, but you could say the same about b, except that b is stronger because it actually compares the two groups.

Also, you are forced to tout 'common sense,' but that is not supposed to matter on the LSAT, where cats can get diesel by stretching if thy test says they can. I declare victory.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221819)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 6:38 PM
Author: rambunctious racy ape corner

You can declare whatever you want, but B only introduces a variable for a group of students that don't factor into the argument.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221867)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 6:44 PM
Author: Bistre kitchen philosopher-king

Not so fast - it implies that the completion group had higher achievement starting out. Normally one would think this would make it less likely they could improve upon their baseline, but given their demonstrated grit in finishing the go program, it could be that they are just on an upward slope generally.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221894)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 6:57 PM
Author: rambunctious racy ape corner

wut?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221999)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 7:01 PM
Author: Bistre kitchen philosopher-king

You said B introduces a variable about students who don't factor into the argument - the dropouts. But B says the dropouts, at baseline, had lower scores than the non-dropouts. Hence B implies something about the non-dropouts - that they had higher scores at baseline.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29222033)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 6:22 PM
Author: Sable nighttime state

"With no facts showing that additional motivation translates to higher gpa"

so you're basically requiring the test question derive common fucking sense from the ground up as an excuse for giving the wrong answer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221795)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 6:24 PM
Author: Bistre kitchen philosopher-king

Ok, so now you've finally understood my point. I'm happy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221805)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 6:29 PM
Author: Sable nighttime state

I hope you're not one of those posters who bitch about people whining re: cultural biases in tests, because this is the exact same line of argument. Except that the idea effort->better is present in some form in every culture that I'm aware of, although this is really just my position of PRIVILEGE making judgments!

Sorry I wasn't PC, bro.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221821)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 6:35 PM
Author: Bistre kitchen philosopher-king

The reason it is obvious c is tcr is that shitlibs wrote the test and uniformly believe in the tabula rasa. So in a sense, the question is culturally loaded, in that you have to adopt the shitlib mindset that DeShawn isn't doing well in trig because he's not sufficiently motivated.

Even in practical terms, I'll note, the question is silly. Kids are presumably already motivated to get a good gpa - it would shock me if the desire to play on the go team had such a huge marginal impact that it materially affected gpa for any sizrable # of kids who went through the program.

The question asks you to accept the premise that the kids become HUNGRY LITTLE GOPIGS based on the program - silly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221853)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 6:37 PM
Author: Sable nighttime state

lol it's not asking you to accept the premise overall, it's saying factually this happened in many of the kids who were in this one particular trial. jfc, write more screeds instead of just saying "yes I picked the wrong answer because I didn't think enough".

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221865)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 6:41 PM
Author: Bistre kitchen philosopher-king

It asks you to accept, as a causal mechanism for higher gpa, that the kids transformed into HUNGRY LITTLE GOPIGS. Otherwise the answer does not work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221884)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 5:51 PM
Author: Sable nighttime state

the question isnt "how would you design a rigorous scientific study on the impact of go proficiency and spatial reasoning development", it's "given this argument, like it or not, which option, like them or not, contradicts it the most".

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221618)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 5:55 PM
Author: Bistre kitchen philosopher-king

Right, and the people who wrote the test, which caters to dumbs, erroneously think that answer c contradicts the argument the most, when in fact it is simply unrelated as a matter of logic.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221662)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 5:58 PM
Author: Sable nighttime state

The inventors of the FAGGOT POZ PILL claim that the FAGGOT POZ PILL reduces chances of POZ by 95%. Coincidentally, the group which bought the FAGGOT POZ PILL in the study were also given a Worthers Original(TM) each time they wore a condom.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221688)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 6:34 PM
Author: hyperventilating ratface goyim

not "reduces the chances," but "contributes to a reduction" if you're following the relevant language in the hypo. This diminishes the impact of choice C, since the language of the hypothesis recognizes that it there may be several contributing factors. But in the end, C is the only one that undermines the hypothesis at all, so it's tcr by default.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221843)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 6:38 PM
Author: Sable nighttime state

*hands u a Worthers Original(TM)*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221870)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 6:41 PM
Author: hyperventilating ratface goyim

ty man :)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221885)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 5:07 PM
Author: Demanding exciting reading party headpube



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221394)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 5:07 PM
Author: costumed orchid fat ankles

wholly shit xo is done here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221395)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 5:18 PM
Author: brilliant ticket booth

C is a pretty easy choice for anyone with a 170+ LSAT.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221429)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 5:19 PM
Author: rambunctious racy ape corner

Wasn't an easy choice for me, but I only got 170. :(

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221438)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 5:27 PM
Author: curious soggy tanning salon fanboi

It's definitely not A or B.

It seems like C, D, and E are all plausible depending on how you define 'achievement'.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221475)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 5:38 PM
Author: rambunctious racy ape corner

I don't see how E could be right.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221537)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 5:45 PM
Author: blathering vigorous heaven personal credit line

jfc lots of dumb fucks on this site how. it look like 20 seconds for me to pick C. soon as I read C I knew it was C. no other answer is even semi close. this would be like one of the first LR questions that are "gimme" ones.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221575)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 5:48 PM
Author: rambunctious racy ape corner

I don't know. I think both D and C tend to undermine the argument, so picking which "most" tends to undermine the argument is in no way a gimme.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221596)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 5:49 PM
Author: Sable nighttime state

D is just a random observation. it has nothing to do with the specific argument that "go makes you smart"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221607)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 5:56 PM
Author: rambunctious racy ape corner

I disagree. If a non-Go extracurricular program also results in higher achievement, that tends to undermine the assertion that the spatial logic inherent in Go is the cause of the enhanced achievement.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221672)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 5:57 PM
Author: Glassy Church Building Athletic Conference

no it just means that there is moar than one way to enhance achievement.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221680)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 6:01 PM
Author: rambunctious racy ape corner

Sure. Like offering someone entry to a Go-club if they get high grades.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221708)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 6:04 PM
Author: blathering vigorous heaven personal credit line

sorry bro. if the arugment was running got the kids fit, saying that some other kids also got fit by riding bikes wouldnt undermine the arugment that it was the running that got the kids fit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221716)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 6:08 PM
Author: rambunctious racy ape corner

I think it would, or could, undermine the argument that a certain aspect of the running is what got the kids fit.

Now, since we don't know the details about the other program that also resulted in higher achievement, I see why C is a better option.

But anytime you have "X -> Y" AND "Not X -> Y", it tends to undermine the conclusion that X is what caused Y (although it does not absolutely rule it out, since more than one thing can cause Y).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221731)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 6:14 PM
Author: blathering vigorous heaven personal credit line

we dont have not X to be fair.

We have X --> Y and Z --> Y

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221756)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 6:17 PM
Author: rambunctious racy ape corner

I think it's fair to assume that the "after school study sessions" in D for people who did *not* participate in the Go program are not the Go program.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221774)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 6:20 PM
Author: Sable nighttime state

But anytime you have "X -> Y" AND "Not X -> Y", it tends to undermine the conclusion that X is what caused Y (although it does not absolutely rule it out, since more than one thing can cause Y).

this is literally basic logic

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth_table#Logical_true

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_truth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221789)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 5:59 PM
Author: Sable nighttime state

jfc. it doesn't argue that "playing go is the cause of ALL enhanced achievement".

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221695)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 6:00 PM
Author: rambunctious racy ape corner

I understand that. My argument is not predicated on that principle.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221702)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 6:04 PM
Author: Sable nighttime state

Some gay frozen scientists in Siberia decided to sick bear on Jew. After many Jew runs, lung capacity increased. Fear caused by bear results in elevated alpha in beta jew, which over time builds Jew into real man.

Moms coached by LifeFaggots(TM) in deep breathing notably increased lung capacity over several months. This contra Soviet?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221717)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 6:13 PM
Author: rambunctious racy ape corner

Yeah, so, typing in English would make this easier.

It undermines the argument that the bear-scent caused the increased lung capacity.

In the actual question, there are two extracurricular study programs. One is Go, one is not. If the one that is not Go leads to higher achievement, that undermines the conclusion that *a certain aspect of the Go program that is inherent in go and not in other study programs* caused the increase.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221753)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 6:15 PM
Author: Sable nighttime state

Fool. Nowhere say fear directly cause lung capacity. Fear build alpha, alpha used for lifeskill (run) which result lung capacity up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221760)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 6:20 PM
Author: rambunctious racy ape corner

Ok, I'm going to stop responding to you now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221787)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 8:40 PM
Author: Clear famous landscape painting immigrant

don't apply to law school

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29222632)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 5:51 PM
Author: Provocative frisky bawdyhouse

Who the fuck cares about what worked or didn't work for other kids? We only care about the ones in this program.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221623)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 5:58 PM
Author: rambunctious racy ape corner

Look, if program X+1, X+2, and X+3 all result in higher achievement, that tends to undermine the argument that it is the 1 aspect of program X+1 that is causing the higher achievement.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221684)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 5:51 PM
Author: blathering vigorous heaven personal credit line

I can't help you if you think D even remotely undermines the arugment. are you a woman?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221624)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 5:58 PM
Author: rambunctious racy ape corner

Not a woman. See my explanation above.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221689)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 6:02 PM
Author: blathering vigorous heaven personal credit line

(C) Many of the children who completed the program subsequently sought membership on a school go team that required a high grade average for membership

TIP: Many of the kids who finished the program increased their performance because they wanted to join this team. This is the same arugment as "niggers who tried out and completed basketball tryouts had increased grades compared to niggers who didnt, therefore trying out for basketball causes niggers to do better in school. you know what weakens that arugment? if the niggers overall who completed tryouts only did better in school because some of them wanted to be on the nigger basketball school, hence it wasnt the "completeing the tryout" but rather joining the team. the niggers who didn't complete the tryouts are clearly not no the team and are still being niggers with no improvement. does this help?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221709)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 6:04 PM
Author: rambunctious racy ape corner

I'm not disputing that C undermines the argument also.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221715)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 5:52 PM
Author: Glassy Church Building Athletic Conference

yea correct me if i'm wrong but for this question as phrased seems like it's easy to dismiss the answer choices that were discussing people who weren't in the program

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221634)



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Date: November 21st, 2015 2:50 PM
Author: Sick theatre

I knew it was C when I immediately read it but I still went through and discounted the other ones. depending on how much time i had remaining on the real test i might or might not do that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29225722)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 5:52 PM
Author: Supple citrine masturbator rigpig

JFC why am i here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221626)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 5:53 PM
Author: blathering vigorous heaven personal credit line

I wonder sometimes too brother. A bunch of retards poast on xoxo. Its sad.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221639)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 5:53 PM
Author: Glassy Church Building Athletic Conference



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221640)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 6:39 PM
Author: beady-eyed umber theater stage round eye

LIBTEAMSIX,

what i don't get about C is that it could easily be interpreted as stating that the kids sought to join the high-gpa team after increasing their achievement. so, after the go program, they increased their achievement, and subsequently tried to join the team because of their new, higher gpa/achievement. i read it that way first and i don't see what, grammatically, makes it incorrect.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221874)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 6:45 PM
Author: Sable nighttime state

(C) Many of the children who completed the program subsequently sought membership on a school go team that required a high grade average for membership.

the only things that matter are:

a) subsequently -- ie, after they completed the go program

b) school go team that required a high grade average for membership -- no way to interpret this ambiguously

it intentionally makes no statement, implied or otherwise, as to when the students increased their performance. that's the point--you don't know whether it's the motivation to meet the GPA requirements or the go program itself. given the very intentional lack of other information, this is the only choice which could undermine the argument.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221908)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 6:47 PM
Author: beady-eyed umber theater stage round eye

but do you see how my interpretation is consistent with the language? they "subsequently" - after - sought to join the program. this could easily mean that they sought to join after seeing the grade ipmrovement caused by the program. That's why they wanted to join, because they now had the gpa good enough.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221915)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 6:53 PM
Author: Sable nighttime state

sure, but a test question isn't going to try to trick someone with bad grammar that somehow implies anything other than the obvious reading. they would have phrased it something like "sought membership BECAUSE the team required a high gpa", which directly implies the (fairly weird) interpretation you read. your interpretation involves reading more into the statement than is there, which actually is one of the goals of people writing test questions.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221958)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 6:55 PM
Author: beady-eyed umber theater stage round eye

meh, i'm a 178 lsat bro just a little stumped by this question. usually alternate causes, even on the toughest of questions, are less ambiguous than this. if it had said, "immediately after completing the program, they sought" then i'd go for it no question.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221980)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 6:56 PM
Author: Bistre kitchen philosopher-king



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221986)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 6:55 PM
Author: Bistre kitchen philosopher-king

mojito I really think your lack of an autism spectrum disorder prevents you from fully engaging with this material.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221982)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 7:01 PM
Author: Sable nighttime state

TY

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29222034)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 7:20 PM
Author: appetizing rehab

. . . a COMPELLING argument that C is NOT the correct answer . . .

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29222165)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 6:45 PM
Author: hyperventilating ratface goyim

People struggling with this, imagine instead that these were high school students, and C read as follows:

"Many of the dudes who completed the program subsequently received blowjobs from the hottest chick in school, because earlier she had publicly promised to blow anyone who finished with a high gpa that semester."

Make sense now?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221909)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 6:54 PM
Author: Sable nighttime state

nobody is legitimately struggling after the reasoning has been pointed out, it's about making excuses and constructing elaborate defenses because they're too proud to admit they done fuckt up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29221970)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 7:00 PM
Author: rambunctious racy ape corner

(guy who pretended he couldn't form a sentence in English to avoid explaining why D couldn't also be right)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29222022)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 7:21 PM
Author: Sable nighttime state

http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&mc=108&forum_id=2#29221789



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29222180)



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Date: November 21st, 2015 3:42 AM
Author: Mischievous idiot coldplay fan

tyft

op is flawed because nobody is actually motivated to raise their GPAs to get on the fucking go team. "seeking" to get on the team means nothing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29224202)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 7:00 PM
Author: amber trip brethren

I picked C because it looked the most correct but this question is fckng annoying since the key phrase "completed the program soon showed" means even C is tenuous at best

How soon was "soon"? If it was immediately after the program was completed as an exit interview then C is not really undermining it and kind of irrelevant

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29222026)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 7:02 PM
Author: beady-eyed umber theater stage round eye

yes, it's very ambiguous.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29222038)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 7:04 PM
Author: Sable nighttime state

tbf, this is the best critique ITT

c is basically the only option that makes any sense and has to be chosen. but you're correct in pointing out the hypo is (probably intentionally) phrased in a goofy manner to see just how finely people are reading.

I think they're actually counting on some people reading "soon" as "immediately" and excluding C, but then, what is there to pick? the others are just wrong.

if the result was "immediate", then relaying that information is critical to the reader, which it wasn't. so in a sense it's safe to exclude this reading because it assumes more than you're given.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29222061)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 7:07 PM
Author: beady-eyed umber theater stage round eye

what was your lsat score

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29222075)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 7:08 PM
Author: Sable nighttime state

ljl I've fucked up many ways in life but never have I ever considered becoming a lawyer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29222085)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 7:27 PM
Author: appetizing rehab

much more information is needed to pick the 'best' of the possible answers.

There is no 'best' answer with the given information.

Maybe the test writers are 168 . . .

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29222216)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 7:28 PM
Author: Bistre kitchen philosopher-king



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29222219)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 8:36 PM
Author: amethyst clown gaming laptop

Stereotype threats got in the way.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29222620)



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Date: November 20th, 2015 8:40 PM
Author: Clear famous landscape painting immigrant

yeah was really hoping for racist flame. disappointed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29222637)



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Date: November 21st, 2015 3:24 AM
Author: glittery nubile gay wizard

shitlawyer here pciked B

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29224193)



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Date: November 21st, 2015 3:46 AM
Author: Mischievous idiot coldplay fan

I don't think this is a real LSAT question--they tend to be higher quality.

Anyway, the correct answer is clearly:

H) Students who did not participate had similar increases in achievement in the same time period

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29224205)



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Date: November 21st, 2015 5:04 AM
Author: razzmatazz walnut gas station

if the credited response is not D, i will eat my hat.

it's like when scientists/doctors point out that several unrelated treatments have similar results, and therefore conclude that it is the process of seeking any form of treatment -- rather than the modality of the treatment itself -- that is producing the result, thus undermining any claim of special effectiveness of treatment X.

eg,

1. "psychoanalysis is proven effective in 40% of cases of major depression"

2. "giving people sugar pills is proven effective in 40% of cases of major depression."

3. "taking a basket-weaving seminar is proven effective in 40% of cases of major depression."

Etc.

nebulous psychological phenomena like 'improved capacity to earn better grades' or 'improved mood' are particularly impossible to discuss in terms of isolated cause/effect. so showing that two unrelated, organized extracurricular activities led to improved grades suggests that it was heightened engagement/intellectual stimulation in a school setting, in a broad sense, that produced the improvement -- not some kind of fine-grained tweaking of students' transferable abstract logic/reasoning abilities.

C is also a poor answer choice because it is stated in the stem that "MOST of the children who completed the program soon showed a significant increase in achievement levels in all of their schoolwork," while choice C states merely that "MANY" children sought membership on the Go Team.

so, "many" encompasses what proportion of "most"? "many" could possibly refer to a number less than a majority. what accounts for all the children who did well despite not applying to the Go Team?

I rest my case.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29224238)



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Date: November 21st, 2015 7:57 AM
Author: Bistre kitchen philosopher-king

The "mere treatment effect"

Also agreed re many/most - only "some" necessarily overlap, further weakening the answer, and there's no rigorous (a priori) way to weight this weakness compared to wraknesses in other answers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29224381)



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Date: November 21st, 2015 10:01 AM
Author: Contagious bossy hominid cruise ship

the credited response is C and it's real

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29224576)



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Date: November 21st, 2015 10:50 AM
Author: Floppy volcanic crater lettuce

I bet your state school classmates would have found this very persuasive.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29224721)



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Date: November 21st, 2015 2:42 PM
Author: razzmatazz walnut gas station

...the rat-faced man chortled

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29225681)



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Date: November 21st, 2015 8:15 AM
Author: shaky sickened locus newt

C, obviously.

it wasn't the program that improved their grades, it was the fact that this group of kids also wanted to be on the team, which required having good grades, so they had an incentive to work hard in pursuit of good grades

none of the other choices are at all correct

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29224401)



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Date: November 21st, 2015 11:03 AM
Author: rebellious vengeful electric furnace

I think we can all agree that it is a dumb, confusing question.

C is the only answer that relates to the kids who actually completed the program. All the other answers relate to kids who didn't complete the program and are thus irrelevant, given that the point being addressed is that the kids who did complete the program had a INCREASE in their own performance (which does not, as written, necessarily mean that they did BETTER than the kids who did NOT complete the program, just that they did better than themselves pre-program).

This is one of those questions where if you studied a lot for the LSAT (or are autistic), it's super-easy, but if you come into it cold, you over think it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29224756)



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Date: November 21st, 2015 2:57 PM
Author: Mischievous idiot coldplay fan

See the actual best answer H) above.

Also, there's no plausible causal conection between the go team and higher grades because:

1. Nobody cares about being on the go team, and

2. There's no evidence that this supposed additional desire for good grades would actually result in higher achievement. Assumes that there's a relationship between "seeking" higher grades and higher achievement.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29225742)



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Date: November 21st, 2015 2:49 PM
Author: Sick theatre

C obviously. jfc. most of the other ones are completely unrelated and about completing vs not completing the program, which has nothing to do with why the ones who DID complete the program showed increased scores.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29225713)



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Date: November 21st, 2015 3:01 PM
Author: Narrow-minded parlor

169 lsat here picked B

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29225762)



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Date: November 22nd, 2015 10:36 AM
Author: swashbuckling boistinker shitlib

this question is a joke. the only answer that relates to kids that actually completed the program is C. its baffling that someone who speaks english could get this question wrong

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3050092&forum_id=2#29229366)