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Date: December 9th, 2015 4:40 PM Author: Disrespectful brunch messiness
remember that epic thread about jamelle bouie and his disingenuous, factually inaccurate article about fisher v. texas? remember how his mistake was in copying a propublica article that made the incorrect claim that numerous minority students with higher "grades" than fisher were rejected?
THAT CLAIM IS BACK, THIS TIME IN VOX.
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2015/12/9/9880914/fisher-v-texas-affirmative-action
"As ProPublica reported in 2013, although some students with lower grades and test scores than Fisher were admitted that year, the vast majority were white, and more than 150 black and Latino students with roughly the same or better grades and test scores were turned away."
NOTICE HOW THEY CITE TO THE INCORRECT PROPUBLICA ARTICLE AND MAKE NO EFFORT TO VERIFY THE ANALYSIS.
whoooooooooooly fucking shit. FUCK THIS GAY EARTH.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3066465&forum_id=2#29343895) |
Date: December 9th, 2015 5:10 PM Author: rusted famous landscape painting corner
libs lie news at 11
tbf, is anybody besides you on this story?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3066465&forum_id=2#29344191) |
Date: December 9th, 2015 5:11 PM Author: Disrespectful brunch messiness
Dear Vox,
There is a serious error in Libby Nelson's article about Fisher v. Texas (http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2015/12/9/9880914/fisher-v-texas-affirmative-action) that bespeaks a cut-and-paste style of "reporting" and "analysis". It's also a textbook example of confirmation bias---because Nelson disagrees with Fisher's claim, she makes less of an attempt to verify factual claims that portray Fisher's claim negatively.
The problem is in this paragraph:
"As ProPublica reported in 2013, although some students with lower grades and test scores than Fisher were admitted that year, the vast majority were white, and more than 150 black and Latino students with roughly the same or better grades and test scores were turned away."
If Nelson had investigated ProPublica's claim, rather than merely accept it because she favors Texas's position, she would have realized that ProPublica's claim that "more than 150 black and Latino students with roughly the same or better grades and test scores [than Fisher were rejected]" (emphasis added) has no basis in fact. The truth is that the students had higher AI/PAI scores, which are NOT based only on "grades and test scores". These scores are based in part on race. See Respondent's Brief at 15-16 (http://www.utexas.edu/vp/irla/Documents/Brief%20for%20Respondents.pdf). These errors are egregious because PAI scores are based in part on an applicant's race. See Respondent's Brief at 13 ("An applicant's PAI score is based on . . . a Personal Achievement Score . . . . The PAS score ranges from 1 to 6 . . . and is based on holistic consideration of six equally-weighted factors: [other factors], and special circumstances. The 'special circumstances' factor is broken down into seven attributes, including . . . an applicant's race.")
So while those minority students may have had higher AI/PAI scores, it is simply and utterly misleading to say, as Nelson does, that those students had "roughly the same or better grades and test scores". The fact is, Nelson has no idea whether those students had higher, lower, or equal grades and test scores to Fisher. It's entirely possible that Fisher's AI/PAI scores would have been higher than most or all of those minority students had race not been a component of those scores.
Nelson's misrepresentation leads a reader to think that Fisher was less academically qualified than many minority students who were rejected, something obviously designed to skew opinion against Fisher's legal claim.
I paste below/forward an email I sent to Slate regarding the exact same issue in another article about the case. How this error continues to be repeated without BASIC FACT CHECKING is absurd. And if Vox attempts to excuse this error by saying, "But, but, but we just said ProPublica, a different publication, reported this claim!", then you are bankrupt in journalistic principles.
I hope this error is corrected promptly.
Thank you,
A concerned law student
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3066465&forum_id=2#29344205) |
Date: December 9th, 2015 7:11 PM Author: razzle greedy tanning salon sweet tailpipe
does Amanda Marcotte repeat the same false stat?
Throughout her now seven-year campaign to make the school pay for not letting her in, Fisher has never been able to produce any evidence that the school tossed her application to make room for a less qualified minority applicant. That’s because, as UT Austin has maintained throughout this ordeal, Fisher was never getting in to their school. Fisher’s GPA and SAT scores weren’t high enough, and she didn’t have enough external accomplishments to convince the school to give her a shot otherwise. As Pro Publica explained at the time:
It’s true that the university, for whatever reason, offered provisional admission to some students with lower test scores and grades than Fisher. Five of those students were black or Latino. Forty-two were white.
Neither Fisher nor Blum mentioned those 42 applicants in interviews. Nor did they acknowledge the 168 black and Latino students with grades as good as or better than Fisher’s who were also denied entry into the university that year.
http://www.salon.com/2015/12/09/abigail_fisher_deserves_an_f_for_her_race_baiting_supreme_court_case_aimed_at_boosting_subpar_white_students/
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3066465&forum_id=2#29345113) |
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Date: December 9th, 2015 7:18 PM Author: excitant crackhouse ceo
This is classic XO, dealing with test scores, admissions, race, higher ed, lib fraudulence and national politics. You seem to be the pumo that has the best handle on this.
You should write a short editorial and Rach should publish it on a "front page" of XO.
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3066601&mc=1&forum_id=2
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3066465&forum_id=2#29345143) |
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Date: December 9th, 2015 8:11 PM Author: Bisexual translucent potus giraffe
Link from 2007, it's probably similar from when Fisher was considered
http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-texas-austin/569013-how-ut-chooses-its-not-top-10-students-2007-report.html
The UT Austin admissions routine for students not automatically admitted is elaborate and entails a broad concept of merit. Beginning with the entering class of 1997, for those not automatically admitted, the idea of merit was expanded from class rank and test scores exclusively to the inclusion of the following factors:
The Academic Index (AI)
High School Record:
o Class rank
o Completion of UT required high school curriculum
o Extent to which students exceed the UT required units
o SAT/ACT score
The Personal Achievement Index (PAI)
o Scores on two essays
o Leadership
o Extracurricular Activities
o Awards/honors
o Work experience
o Service to school or community
o Special circumstances:
- Socio-economic status of family
- Single parent home
- Language spoken at home
- Family responsibilities
- Socio-economic status of school attended
- Average SAT/ACT of school attended in relation to student's own SAT/ACT
- Race (addition approved by the UT Board of Regents in 2003)
Thus, merit includes the ambition to tackle rigorous high school coursework, the production of quality prose, and the desire to make a difference in one’s school, home, or community. Evidence of employability (work), and some sense of having excelled in any number of areas are also considered. Moreover, admissions officials place these attributes in the context of the circumstances under which the student lived.
The Academic Index (AI) is determined by a multiple regression equation utilizing a high school percentile derived from an explicit class rank [1-(class rank/class size)]*100, and verbal and math test scores from the ACT Assessment or the SAT I: Reasoning Test. The equation produces a predicted freshman year grade point average.
After a review of the high school transcript, an applicant can be “awarded” a tenth of a point if he/she exceeded UT’s required high school curriculum. Thus, AI values range from 4.10-0.00.
The Personal Achievement Index (PAI) is UT Austin’s holistic approach to admissions. Admissions officers are trained each year to conduct comprehensive reviews of every application from students not automatically admitted. All applicants are required to submit two essays. Each are read and scored on a scale of 1-6. The application itself, and any attachments an applicant chooses to include, is then reviewed. A “personal achievement” score on a scale of 1-6 is then assigned to the application.
From the three scores, two essays and a personal achievement score, a PAI is computed. The equation reflects a 1997 faculty decision to give slightly more weight to the personal achievement score than the essays:
PAI = [(personal achievement score * 4) + (mean essay * 3)] / 7.
AIs and PAIs of applicants not automatically admitted are then plotted on an admissions decision grid.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3066465&forum_id=2#29345524)
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Date: December 11th, 2015 3:07 PM Author: Disrespectful brunch messiness
LOL THEY "CORRECTED" IT NOW.
i feel bad about my MAF emails though cause she responded cordially.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3066465&forum_id=2#29358300) |
Date: March 18th, 2016 3:34 PM Author: 180 duck-like bawdyhouse
SJWs Always Lie. Day, Vox. (2015).
it's like 15 bucks on amazon. really, go get it.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3066465&forum_id=2#30087025) |
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