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JFC. How do you condense LS outlines to a USABLE length?

I consider myself to have a pretty solid memory. Know all th...
scarlet volcanic crater sandwich
  02/09/16
I'm not saying this to fuck with you, but I always was able ...
disrespectful range dingle berry
  02/09/16
Great. Now it's a matter of how. I don't create my outlines ...
scarlet volcanic crater sandwich
  02/09/16
Long outlines are a sign of low IQ. Sorry bro.
Trip becky
  02/09/16
Hey don't blame me yet. When I download them, they're 100pgs...
scarlet volcanic crater sandwich
  02/09/16
Realize that tests are only 3 hrs long and you don't have ti...
Trip becky
  02/10/16
When u print there's a setting that will print two pages on ...
primrose private investor ladyboy
  02/10/16
It's not about how many pages it is when printed. Like the b...
scarlet volcanic crater sandwich
  02/10/16
? Exactly so you make it less pages... You read X pages per ...
primrose private investor ladyboy
  02/10/16
Usually LS classes are broken into distinct topics. E.g. in ...
Swollen walnut wagecucks
  02/09/16
That's what I'm trying to do. E.g., the Table of Contents o...
scarlet volcanic crater sandwich
  02/09/16
It is hard to tell without seeing your actual outline but yo...
Swollen walnut wagecucks
  02/09/16
1. Any way to avoid horror shows like RS2 209-217, Parol Evi...
scarlet volcanic crater sandwich
  02/09/16
...
scarlet volcanic crater sandwich
  02/09/16
...
scarlet volcanic crater sandwich
  02/09/16
?
scarlet volcanic crater sandwich
  02/10/16
Bro wtf is this garbage? this is why you make your own
Judgmental laser beams theatre
  02/10/16
That IS my own. I somehow got RS2 209-214 (parol evidence ru...
scarlet volcanic crater sandwich
  02/10/16
If you understand it, I guess it's fine
Judgmental laser beams theatre
  02/10/16
But the point is, even with my gibberish shorthand, a Ks out...
scarlet volcanic crater sandwich
  02/10/16
This is good advice. I would create a skeletal outline based...
Judgmental laser beams theatre
  02/09/16
A short and succinct checklist is the cr. You won't really u...
abnormal curious ratface nowag
  02/09/16
lol i knew people in some classes with outlines longer than ...
Rambunctious Flatulent Ape
  02/09/16
wouldnt this be horribly time consuming? How'd you do on tim...
scarlet volcanic crater sandwich
  02/09/16
Wtf? What school doesn't use extegrity?
sick massive site
  02/10/16
Your outlines should literally just be rule statements that ...
turquoise church degenerate
  02/09/16
So nothing of the sort: RuleA CaseB that illustrates thi...
scarlet volcanic crater sandwich
  02/09/16
lol at this flame. There are no law students here.
light turdskin
  02/09/16
is the exam open outline? if so keep the big outline and mak...
Spectacular Cruise Ship
  02/10/16
Yes open outline. How detailed? Consider this snapshot of m...
scarlet volcanic crater sandwich
  02/10/16
...
scarlet volcanic crater sandwich
  02/10/16
depends on your ability and will to memorize. that TOC is ab...
Spectacular Cruise Ship
  02/11/16
If I have a good memory but no real will to memorize, but wo...
scarlet volcanic crater sandwich
  02/11/16
Try using a smaller font and narrower margins
lascivious temple
  02/10/16
Yup. Also delete paragraph breaks and remove indentations. T...
primrose private investor ladyboy
  02/10/16
Done all of this
scarlet volcanic crater sandwich
  02/10/16
Are you an MS Word masterman? I've removed all indentation...
scarlet volcanic crater sandwich
  02/10/16
my margins are .5 I stick with 11 or 12 size font
scarlet volcanic crater sandwich
  02/10/16
Wtf lol are you a child? Make that shit 9 point max.
primrose private investor ladyboy
  02/10/16
Have you tried printing double sided?
primrose private investor ladyboy
  02/10/16
...
multi-colored irate coffee pot
  02/10/16
...
primrose private investor ladyboy
  02/10/16
Use TOPIC HEADINGS
Puce adventurous milk
  02/10/16
http://imgur.com/rZKnOlG Isn't that a topic heading for D...
scarlet volcanic crater sandwich
  02/10/16
styles. you need to make a comprehensive first one. with ...
Puce adventurous milk
  02/10/16
Are you a Styles masterman? Literally the only styles I u...
scarlet volcanic crater sandwich
  02/10/16
yes. but you should manually do the TOC. it is for your memo...
Puce adventurous milk
  02/10/16
Yes you're an MS Word masterman, or yes I'm doing styles cor...
scarlet volcanic crater sandwich
  02/10/16
You should do a practice exam using your "short" o...
Swashbuckling wine hunting ground hell
  02/11/16
Just retread it over and over again while doing problems and...
cyan abode
  02/11/16
Should it be taking me a week to make the outline complete, ...
scarlet volcanic crater sandwich
  02/11/16


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Date: February 9th, 2016 3:27 PM
Author: scarlet volcanic crater sandwich

I consider myself to have a pretty solid memory. Know all the UCC/RS2/FRCP/FRE provisions by their #s.

RS2 90, 87 (Option Ks), 153 (Unilateral Mistake)

FRCP14 impleading, FRE 403, UCC 2-508 etc.

Even without the clutter of the actual text of those provisions (e.g., I can recite FRE 403 without much effort), my outlines with all the doctrines and cases ruling one way or another way still extends to 40-50pgs minimum.

How do pros get it down to 10-15pgs?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29788850)



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Date: February 9th, 2016 3:43 PM
Author: disrespectful range dingle berry

I'm not saying this to fuck with you, but I always was able to work my outlines down to 5 pages.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29788940)



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Date: February 9th, 2016 3:52 PM
Author: scarlet volcanic crater sandwich

Great. Now it's a matter of how. I don't create my outlines from scratch (have no notes of my own, ljl).

When I download them, they're 120pg behemoths. Then I spend weeks figuring out wtf they're trying to say, getting it down to 40pgs in a neat 1) a) i) ii) etc format.

But how do you get, e.g., all the doctrines of K law down in 5pgs.

1. What's an offer?

...

1f. Is an Ad an offer? Lefkowitz

44. Consequential damages for lost volume sellers?

...

44c. UCC 715

Give me some protips here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29788998)



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Date: February 9th, 2016 3:28 PM
Author: Trip becky

Long outlines are a sign of low IQ. Sorry bro.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29788858)



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Date: February 9th, 2016 3:40 PM
Author: scarlet volcanic crater sandwich

Hey don't blame me yet. When I download them, they're 100pgs long. Give me credit for getting it down to 40-50. But how do you cut another 20-30pgs?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29788923)



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Date: February 10th, 2016 8:11 PM
Author: Trip becky

Realize that tests are only 3 hrs long and you don't have time to ever read about the nuances of some nuance

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29799775)



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Date: February 10th, 2016 8:12 PM
Author: primrose private investor ladyboy

When u print there's a setting that will print two pages on each page... Then print double sided.... You will have 10 pages then

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29799784)



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Date: February 10th, 2016 8:22 PM
Author: scarlet volcanic crater sandwich

It's not about how many pages it is when printed. Like the bro above said, I don't have time to read all the junk

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29799838)



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Date: February 10th, 2016 8:22 PM
Author: primrose private investor ladyboy

? Exactly so you make it less pages... You read X pages per minute, now you can read more pages quicker.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29799845)



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Date: February 9th, 2016 3:48 PM
Author: Swollen walnut wagecucks

Usually LS classes are broken into distinct topics. E.g. in contracts you have a unit on acceptance, a unit on breach, a unit on remedies, etc. There usually aren't more than 10-15 of these and they're usually listed on the syllabus.

You should be able to condense each unit onto 1-2 pages of outline. There's a rule (xxxx case says these 3 factors show acceptance) and then 4 or 5 small cases that each have a wrinkle (if xxx then yyy variation applies). Most other things are pretty superfluous.

By strictly compartmentalizing I got rid of a lot of unnecessary junk.

IDK if that will work for you but it worked for me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29788963)



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Date: February 9th, 2016 3:57 PM
Author: scarlet volcanic crater sandwich

That's what I'm trying to do.

E.g., the Table of Contents of just the Consideration?/Reliance section of my outline looks like this http://imgur.com/RgNORzj

And that's 4pgs (20-23). Multiplied by ~12 units, and I'm at 50pgs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29789047)



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Date: February 9th, 2016 4:08 PM
Author: Swollen walnut wagecucks

It is hard to tell without seeing your actual outline but you are probably explaining too much. Some of your lines in your ToC look like lines that would be in my final outline. Like Hamer - that is something that is pretty much explained 100% by the tiny line you have in the ToC. The final version might be more polished but for a lot of these things you don't need more than one or two lines.

One thing I always did (if the rules allowed it) was have one short outline and then keep the 100+ page behemoths with me in case I actually needed them in the test. For the most part 1L issue spotters are so overlong that you won't have time to go into more than surface level analysis that a 20 pg outline would get you anyway.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29789128)



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Date: February 9th, 2016 4:22 PM
Author: scarlet volcanic crater sandwich

1. Any way to avoid horror shows like RS2 209-217, Parol Evid R? http://imgur.com/bQwe6al

When I say I know the provisions, I mean something as straightforward as RS2 86 or 90 I can recite standing on my head. But for labyrinths like the Parol Evid R, I have all that 1) a) b) i) ii) crap to say:

Rule A

UNLESS exception B

BUT B doesn't apply where C

2. I like the have 2 outlines, 1 long and 1 short. Would your short one just look like my ToC, maybe with an extra line of detail or 2 under each point?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29789243)



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Date: February 9th, 2016 4:52 PM
Author: scarlet volcanic crater sandwich



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29789477)



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Date: February 9th, 2016 7:28 PM
Author: scarlet volcanic crater sandwich



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29790611)



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Date: February 10th, 2016 12:47 PM
Author: scarlet volcanic crater sandwich

?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29796783)



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Date: February 10th, 2016 8:06 PM
Author: Judgmental laser beams theatre

Bro wtf is this garbage? this is why you make your own

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29799744)



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Date: February 10th, 2016 8:23 PM
Author: scarlet volcanic crater sandwich

That IS my own. I somehow got RS2 209-214 (parol evidence rule) down to 1pg using shorthand. Is it incomprehensible b/c of my shorthand, or is there some other fundamental flaw, given that I know my own shorthand?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29799850)



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Date: February 10th, 2016 8:24 PM
Author: Judgmental laser beams theatre

If you understand it, I guess it's fine

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29799857)



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Date: February 10th, 2016 8:29 PM
Author: scarlet volcanic crater sandwich

But the point is, even with my gibberish shorthand, a Ks outline is STILL 40-50pgs.

What, should I just know RS2 17-->RS2 365 cold, if that's the only way to economize on space?

I mean by now I generally know the doctrines (e.g., if completely integrated then...). So just have 1 line on the doctrine, apply it on the test and don't worry too much about whether it's from RS2 213 or 214?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29799902)



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Date: February 9th, 2016 3:57 PM
Author: Judgmental laser beams theatre

This is good advice. I would create a skeletal outline based on the syllabus as soon as it was released. Then I would fill in areas as we covered topics in class. At the end of the semester, I would review and cut down to 10-12 pages (from about 20 or so, I made a point not to include useless shit in the first place). This worked well for me and was time effective.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29789048)



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Date: February 9th, 2016 4:18 PM
Author: abnormal curious ratface nowag

A short and succinct checklist is the cr. You won't really use an outline of you know the material well

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29789205)



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Date: February 9th, 2016 4:53 PM
Author: Rambunctious Flatulent Ape

lol i knew people in some classes with outlines longer than the books themselves. there was no point.

in classes where we were allowed to have laptop access to things other than outlines (i.e. notes, etc.) i downloaded the cases from the book into a word document and then just word searched for the fact patterns in the questions. worked like a charm most of the time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29789493)



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Date: February 9th, 2016 7:02 PM
Author: scarlet volcanic crater sandwich

wouldnt this be horribly time consuming? How'd you do on time/how'd you do?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29790419)



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Date: February 10th, 2016 1:14 PM
Author: sick massive site

Wtf? What school doesn't use extegrity?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29796938)



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Date: February 9th, 2016 7:31 PM
Author: turquoise church degenerate

Your outlines should literally just be rule statements that delineate elements and exceptions to the rule. Add case names and policy args that flesh out those elements/exceptions/concepts if your professor harped on them. No hypos or other shit designed to teach you the law - it should be purely a tool to help trigger your memory

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29790638)



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Date: February 9th, 2016 8:37 PM
Author: scarlet volcanic crater sandwich

So nothing of the sort:

RuleA

CaseB that illustrates this rule

*Policy reasons, themes why CaseB used RuleA?*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29791483)



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Date: February 9th, 2016 7:32 PM
Author: light turdskin

lol at this flame. There are no law students here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29790642)



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Date: February 10th, 2016 1:07 PM
Author: Spectacular Cruise Ship

is the exam open outline? if so keep the big outline and make a detailed table of contents

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29796911)



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Date: February 10th, 2016 2:52 PM
Author: scarlet volcanic crater sandwich

Yes open outline. How detailed?

Consider this snapshot of my ToC: http://imgur.com/RgNORzj

And a page out of my big outline, on the Parol Evidence Rule: http://imgur.com/bQwe6al

Any way to avoid horror shows like RS2 209-217, Parol Evid R? http://imgur.com/bQwe6al

When I say I know the provisions, I mean something as straightforward as RS2 86 or 90 I can recite standing on my head. But for labyrinths like the Parol Evid R, I have all that 1) a) b) i) ii) crap to say:

1) Rule A

[indent]a)UNLESS exception B

[indent]i)BUT B doesn't apply where C

So just 1 Rule takes like 4-5 lines sometimes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29797509)



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Date: February 10th, 2016 7:25 PM
Author: scarlet volcanic crater sandwich



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29799430)



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Date: February 11th, 2016 12:28 PM
Author: Spectacular Cruise Ship

depends on your ability and will to memorize. that TOC is about as detailed as mine were, and I was able to pretty much know them cold

imo, the benefit of the TOC is that if youre totally lost, you can flip through the thing, so detail is good

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29804107)



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Date: February 11th, 2016 12:45 PM
Author: scarlet volcanic crater sandwich

If I have a good memory but no real will to memorize, but would like to have a usable outline so that I'm not flippin thru 80pgs, then...should I ADD or subtract detail from, e.g., that Parol Evid R section?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29804271)



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Date: February 10th, 2016 8:04 PM
Author: lascivious temple

Try using a smaller font and narrower margins

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29799723)



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Date: February 10th, 2016 8:05 PM
Author: primrose private investor ladyboy

Yup. Also delete paragraph breaks and remove indentations. Then make all the periods 8 point font.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29799730)



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Date: February 10th, 2016 8:09 PM
Author: scarlet volcanic crater sandwich

Done all of this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29799764)



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Date: February 10th, 2016 8:26 PM
Author: scarlet volcanic crater sandwich

Are you an MS Word masterman?

I've removed all indentations except as necessary to have the 1) a) i) ii) thing.

eg: http://imgur.com/rZKnOlG

I dont think my documents have paragraph breaks either but what does that do? Wtf are paragraph breaks? Just spaces between paragraphs?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29799873)



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Date: February 10th, 2016 8:21 PM
Author: scarlet volcanic crater sandwich

my margins are .5

I stick with 11 or 12 size font



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29799833)



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Date: February 10th, 2016 8:23 PM
Author: primrose private investor ladyboy

Wtf lol are you a child? Make that shit 9 point max.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29799847)



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Date: February 10th, 2016 8:05 PM
Author: primrose private investor ladyboy

Have you tried printing double sided?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29799734)



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Date: February 10th, 2016 8:08 PM
Author: multi-colored irate coffee pot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29799755)



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Date: February 10th, 2016 8:19 PM
Author: primrose private investor ladyboy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29799819)



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Date: February 10th, 2016 8:29 PM
Author: Puce adventurous milk

Use TOPIC HEADINGS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29799909)



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Date: February 10th, 2016 8:31 PM
Author: scarlet volcanic crater sandwich

http://imgur.com/rZKnOlG

Isn't that a topic heading for DtM (Duty to Mitigate)?

Are you talking about applying MS Word's styles, or just manually bolding/underlining shit?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29799920)



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Date: February 10th, 2016 8:38 PM
Author: Puce adventurous milk

styles.

you need to make a comprehensive first one. with examples ect. take that and rewrite it down to just bare elements. Also make a table of contents at the beginning for the exam. 1) helps your conceptualize the entire course and 2) saves you tons of time looking things up

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29799968)



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Date: February 10th, 2016 8:47 PM
Author: scarlet volcanic crater sandwich

Are you a Styles masterman?

Literally the only styles I use are:

1. Title (YUGE bold font)

2. Subtitle (merely large italics

3. Heading 1 (italicized + underline, smaller)

4. Heading 2 (bold + underline)

So my ToCs look like: http://imgur.com/rKbAHen

Is that how it's done, or am I a moron?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29800013)



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Date: February 10th, 2016 8:49 PM
Author: Puce adventurous milk

yes. but you should manually do the TOC. it is for your memory, not just looks and easy. also you need to cut out the example shit after you understand the concept. G v. Y (p314) *put book page for reference, and in exam i used to cite to it* = Proposition X

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29800036)



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Date: February 10th, 2016 9:08 PM
Author: scarlet volcanic crater sandwich

Yes you're an MS Word masterman, or yes I'm doing styles correctly?

Anything else I should know about Styles/Word? 1 weird trick, shortcuts, etc?

Also, by get rid of example shit do you mean the idiot hypos the Prof lobs. Or the actual cases illustrating some proposition?

Some cases are so memorable they don't need to be on an outline. Hadley v. Baxendale. Palsgraff. Adarand.

But for your run of the mill case, I most likely didn't read the actual case, so I just remove all the facts from the outline because I wouldn't understand them anyway. These cases gotta go too?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29800233)



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Date: February 11th, 2016 12:23 PM
Author: Swashbuckling wine hunting ground hell

You should do a practice exam using your "short" outline and see what items you actually refer to. Do this a few times and you'll have a better sense of what is actually important and what you can leave in the big outline.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29804070)



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Date: February 11th, 2016 12:58 PM
Author: cyan abode

Just retread it over and over again while doing problems and rewriting your outline, making it shorter each time. By the time you get to the exam it will all be stuck in your head for 2-3 hours that you need it and you won't look at the outline even once hth

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29804425)



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Date: February 11th, 2016 1:00 PM
Author: scarlet volcanic crater sandwich

Should it be taking me a week to make the outline complete, then another week to do problems etc? Is that grossly inefficient? tbf, I'm working with downloaded outlines that are like 100pgs. So it takes me about a week to get through it all, figure out wtf it's trying to say, condense it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29804451)