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JFC. How do you condense LS outlines to a USABLE length?
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Date: February 9th, 2016 3:27 PM Author: Hairless pungent house I consider myself to have a pretty solid memory. Know all the UCC/RS2/FRCP/FRE provisions by their #s.
RS2 90, 87 (Option Ks), 153 (Unilateral Mistake) FRCP14 impleading, FRE 403, UCC 2-508 etc.
Even without the clutter of the actual text of those provisions (e.g., I can recite FRE 403 without much effort), my outlines with all the doctrines and cases ruling one way or another way still extends to 40-50pgs minimum.
How do pros get it down to 10-15pgs? |
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Date: February 9th, 2016 3:43 PM Author: Exciting set party of the first part I'm not saying this to fuck with you, but I always was able to work my outlines down to 5 pages. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29788940) |
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Date: February 9th, 2016 3:52 PM Author: Hairless pungent house Great. Now it's a matter of how. I don't create my outlines from scratch (have no notes of my own, ljl).
When I download them, they're 120pg behemoths. Then I spend weeks figuring out wtf they're trying to say, getting it down to 40pgs in a neat 1) a) i) ii) etc format.
But how do you get, e.g., all the doctrines of K law down in 5pgs. 1. What's an offer? ... 1f. Is an Ad an offer? Lefkowitz 44. Consequential damages for lost volume sellers? ... 44c. UCC 715
Give me some protips here. |
Date: February 9th, 2016 3:28 PM Author: bonkers faggotry legend Long outlines are a sign of low IQ. Sorry bro. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29788858) |
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Date: February 9th, 2016 3:40 PM Author: Hairless pungent house Hey don't blame me yet. When I download them, they're 100pgs long. Give me credit for getting it down to 40-50. But how do you cut another 20-30pgs? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29788923) |
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Date: February 10th, 2016 8:11 PM Author: bonkers faggotry legend Realize that tests are only 3 hrs long and you don't have time to ever read about the nuances of some nuance (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29799775) |
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Date: February 10th, 2016 8:12 PM Author: sickened mint lay When u print there's a setting that will print two pages on each page... Then print double sided.... You will have 10 pages then (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29799784) |
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Date: February 10th, 2016 8:22 PM Author: Hairless pungent house It's not about how many pages it is when printed. Like the bro above said, I don't have time to read all the junk (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29799838) |
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Date: February 10th, 2016 8:22 PM Author: sickened mint lay ? Exactly so you make it less pages... You read X pages per minute, now you can read more pages quicker. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29799845) |
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Date: February 9th, 2016 3:48 PM Author: Glassy Histrionic Address Roast Beef Usually LS classes are broken into distinct topics. E.g. in contracts you have a unit on acceptance, a unit on breach, a unit on remedies, etc. There usually aren't more than 10-15 of these and they're usually listed on the syllabus.
You should be able to condense each unit onto 1-2 pages of outline. There's a rule (xxxx case says these 3 factors show acceptance) and then 4 or 5 small cases that each have a wrinkle (if xxx then yyy variation applies). Most other things are pretty superfluous.
By strictly compartmentalizing I got rid of a lot of unnecessary junk.
IDK if that will work for you but it worked for me. |
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Date: February 9th, 2016 3:57 PM Author: Hairless pungent house That's what I'm trying to do. E.g., the Table of Contents of just the Consideration?/Reliance section of my outline looks like this http://imgur.com/RgNORzj And that's 4pgs (20-23). Multiplied by ~12 units, and I'm at 50pgs. |
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Date: February 9th, 2016 4:08 PM Author: Glassy Histrionic Address Roast Beef It is hard to tell without seeing your actual outline but you are probably explaining too much. Some of your lines in your ToC look like lines that would be in my final outline. Like Hamer - that is something that is pretty much explained 100% by the tiny line you have in the ToC. The final version might be more polished but for a lot of these things you don't need more than one or two lines.
One thing I always did (if the rules allowed it) was have one short outline and then keep the 100+ page behemoths with me in case I actually needed them in the test. For the most part 1L issue spotters are so overlong that you won't have time to go into more than surface level analysis that a 20 pg outline would get you anyway.
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Date: February 9th, 2016 4:22 PM Author: Hairless pungent house 1. Any way to avoid horror shows like RS2 209-217, Parol Evid R? http://imgur.com/bQwe6al
When I say I know the provisions, I mean something as straightforward as RS2 86 or 90 I can recite standing on my head. But for labyrinths like the Parol Evid R, I have all that 1) a) b) i) ii) crap to say: Rule A UNLESS exception B BUT B doesn't apply where C
2. I like the have 2 outlines, 1 long and 1 short. Would your short one just look like my ToC, maybe with an extra line of detail or 2 under each point? |
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Date: February 9th, 2016 4:52 PM Author: Hairless pungent house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29789477) |
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Date: February 9th, 2016 7:28 PM Author: Hairless pungent house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29790611) |
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Date: February 10th, 2016 12:47 PM Author: Hairless pungent house ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29796783) |
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Date: February 10th, 2016 8:06 PM Author: Dead Parlour Bro wtf is this garbage? this is why you make your own (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29799744) |
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Date: February 10th, 2016 8:23 PM Author: Hairless pungent house That IS my own. I somehow got RS2 209-214 (parol evidence rule) down to 1pg using shorthand. Is it incomprehensible b/c of my shorthand, or is there some other fundamental flaw, given that I know my own shorthand? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29799850) |
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Date: February 10th, 2016 8:24 PM Author: Dead Parlour If you understand it, I guess it's fine (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29799857) |
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Date: February 10th, 2016 8:29 PM Author: Hairless pungent house But the point is, even with my gibberish shorthand, a Ks outline is STILL 40-50pgs.
What, should I just know RS2 17-->RS2 365 cold, if that's the only way to economize on space?
I mean by now I generally know the doctrines (e.g., if completely integrated then...). So just have 1 line on the doctrine, apply it on the test and don't worry too much about whether it's from RS2 213 or 214? |
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Date: February 9th, 2016 3:57 PM Author: Dead Parlour This is good advice. I would create a skeletal outline based on the syllabus as soon as it was released. Then I would fill in areas as we covered topics in class. At the end of the semester, I would review and cut down to 10-12 pages (from about 20 or so, I made a point not to include useless shit in the first place). This worked well for me and was time effective. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29789048) |
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Date: February 9th, 2016 4:18 PM Author: Titillating fiercely-loyal kitchen laser beams A short and succinct checklist is the cr. You won't really use an outline of you know the material well (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29789205) |
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Date: February 9th, 2016 4:53 PM Author: Sexy arousing internal respiration lol i knew people in some classes with outlines longer than the books themselves. there was no point.
in classes where we were allowed to have laptop access to things other than outlines (i.e. notes, etc.) i downloaded the cases from the book into a word document and then just word searched for the fact patterns in the questions. worked like a charm most of the time. |
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Date: February 9th, 2016 7:02 PM Author: Hairless pungent house wouldnt this be horribly time consuming? How'd you do on time/how'd you do? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29790419) |
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Date: February 10th, 2016 1:14 PM Author: ruddy bearded round eye psychic Wtf? What school doesn't use extegrity? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29796938) |
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Date: February 9th, 2016 7:31 PM Author: brass space Your outlines should literally just be rule statements that delineate elements and exceptions to the rule. Add case names and policy args that flesh out those elements/exceptions/concepts if your professor harped on them. No hypos or other shit designed to teach you the law - it should be purely a tool to help trigger your memory (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29790638) |
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Date: February 9th, 2016 8:37 PM Author: Hairless pungent house So nothing of the sort:
RuleA CaseB that illustrates this rule *Policy reasons, themes why CaseB used RuleA?* |
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Date: February 9th, 2016 7:32 PM Author: vivacious pink giraffe clown lol at this flame. There are no law students here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29790642) |
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Date: February 10th, 2016 1:07 PM Author: Zombie-like Hairraiser Trailer Park is the exam open outline? if so keep the big outline and make a detailed table of contents (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29796911) |
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Date: February 10th, 2016 2:52 PM Author: Hairless pungent house Yes open outline. How detailed? Consider this snapshot of my ToC: http://imgur.com/RgNORzj And a page out of my big outline, on the Parol Evidence Rule: http://imgur.com/bQwe6al
Any way to avoid horror shows like RS2 209-217, Parol Evid R? http://imgur.com/bQwe6al
When I say I know the provisions, I mean something as straightforward as RS2 86 or 90 I can recite standing on my head. But for labyrinths like the Parol Evid R, I have all that 1) a) b) i) ii) crap to say: 1) Rule A [indent]a)UNLESS exception B [indent]i)BUT B doesn't apply where C So just 1 Rule takes like 4-5 lines sometimes. |
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Date: February 10th, 2016 7:25 PM Author: Hairless pungent house
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Date: February 11th, 2016 12:28 PM Author: Zombie-like Hairraiser Trailer Park depends on your ability and will to memorize. that TOC is about as detailed as mine were, and I was able to pretty much know them cold imo, the benefit of the TOC is that if youre totally lost, you can flip through the thing, so detail is good |
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Date: February 11th, 2016 12:45 PM Author: Hairless pungent house If I have a good memory but no real will to memorize, but would like to have a usable outline so that I'm not flippin thru 80pgs, then...should I ADD or subtract detail from, e.g., that Parol Evid R section? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29804271) |
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Date: February 10th, 2016 8:04 PM Author: Metal awkward black woman Try using a smaller font and narrower margins (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29799723) |
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Date: February 10th, 2016 8:05 PM Author: sickened mint lay Yup. Also delete paragraph breaks and remove indentations. Then make all the periods 8 point font. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29799730) |
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Date: February 10th, 2016 8:09 PM Author: Hairless pungent house Done all of this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29799764) |
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Date: February 10th, 2016 8:26 PM Author: Hairless pungent house Are you an MS Word masterman? I've removed all indentations except as necessary to have the 1) a) i) ii) thing.
I dont think my documents have paragraph breaks either but what does that do? Wtf are paragraph breaks? Just spaces between paragraphs? |
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Date: February 10th, 2016 8:21 PM Author: Hairless pungent house my margins are .5 I stick with 11 or 12 size font
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Date: February 10th, 2016 8:23 PM Author: sickened mint lay Wtf lol are you a child? Make that shit 9 point max. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29799847) |
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Date: February 10th, 2016 8:05 PM Author: sickened mint lay Have you tried printing double sided? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29799734) |
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Date: February 10th, 2016 8:08 PM Author: Lilac Painfully Honest Center Selfie (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29799755) |
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Date: February 10th, 2016 8:19 PM Author: sickened mint lay (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29799819) |
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Date: February 10th, 2016 8:29 PM Author: Lemon exhilarant mad-dog skullcap stead Use TOPIC HEADINGS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29799909) |
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Date: February 10th, 2016 8:31 PM Author: Hairless pungent house http://imgur.com/rZKnOlG
Isn't that a topic heading for DtM (Duty to Mitigate)?
Are you talking about applying MS Word's styles, or just manually bolding/underlining shit? |
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Date: February 10th, 2016 8:38 PM Author: Lemon exhilarant mad-dog skullcap stead styles.
you need to make a comprehensive first one. with examples ect. take that and rewrite it down to just bare elements. Also make a table of contents at the beginning for the exam. 1) helps your conceptualize the entire course and 2) saves you tons of time looking things up |
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Date: February 10th, 2016 8:47 PM Author: Hairless pungent house Are you a Styles masterman?
Literally the only styles I use are: 1. Title (YUGE bold font) 2. Subtitle (merely large italics 3. Heading 1 (italicized + underline, smaller) 4. Heading 2 (bold + underline)
So my ToCs look like: http://imgur.com/rKbAHen Is that how it's done, or am I a moron? |
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Date: February 10th, 2016 8:49 PM Author: Lemon exhilarant mad-dog skullcap stead yes. but you should manually do the TOC. it is for your memory, not just looks and easy. also you need to cut out the example shit after you understand the concept. G v. Y (p314) *put book page for reference, and in exam i used to cite to it* = Proposition X (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29800036) |
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Date: February 10th, 2016 9:08 PM Author: Hairless pungent house Yes you're an MS Word masterman, or yes I'm doing styles correctly?
Anything else I should know about Styles/Word? 1 weird trick, shortcuts, etc?
Also, by get rid of example shit do you mean the idiot hypos the Prof lobs. Or the actual cases illustrating some proposition?
Some cases are so memorable they don't need to be on an outline. Hadley v. Baxendale. Palsgraff. Adarand.
But for your run of the mill case, I most likely didn't read the actual case, so I just remove all the facts from the outline because I wouldn't understand them anyway. These cases gotta go too? |
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Date: February 11th, 2016 12:23 PM Author: sable shivering dog poop You should do a practice exam using your "short" outline and see what items you actually refer to. Do this a few times and you'll have a better sense of what is actually important and what you can leave in the big outline. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29804070) |
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Date: February 11th, 2016 12:58 PM Author: Motley scourge upon the earth Just retread it over and over again while doing problems and rewriting your outline, making it shorter each time. By the time you get to the exam it will all be stuck in your head for 2-3 hours that you need it and you won't look at the outline even once hth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29804425) |
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Date: February 11th, 2016 1:00 PM Author: Hairless pungent house Should it be taking me a week to make the outline complete, then another week to do problems etc? Is that grossly inefficient? tbf, I'm working with downloaded outlines that are like 100pgs. So it takes me about a week to get through it all, figure out wtf it's trying to say, condense it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3124026&forum_id=2#29804451) |