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PA GOP Primary Rules Guaranteed to Deprive TRUMP of 1237--Even If He Wins

Pennsylvania, which holds its primary next Tuesday, uses a n...
Electric New Version Dilemma
  04/20/16
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Angry Marketing Idea
  04/20/16
how'd this work out, poop lick?
light adventurous library
  04/30/16
Cleveland riots are gonna be epic. Gonna be glued to CNN the...
Electric New Version Dilemma
  04/20/16
what the fuck is wrong with these fruit loops. People in pol...
Useless ruby weed whacker mad cow disease
  04/20/16
("states rights" advocate unironically arguing AGA...
flickering aquamarine den ratface
  04/20/16
You can have states rights and non-fucktarded primary proces...
Useless ruby weed whacker mad cow disease
  04/20/16
Are you fucking retarded? States rights and GOP primary ru...
Insecure Disturbing Chapel Associate
  04/20/16
tough but fair. if trump wants to go start his own party he ...
flickering aquamarine den ratface
  04/20/16
Technically there would be nothing illegal if the republican...
mind-boggling scourge upon the earth quadroon
  04/20/16
gop can forfeit the election to hillary and run one of its o...
flickering aquamarine den ratface
  04/20/16
assuming he loses, trump is 100% guaranteed to run in 2020
Electric New Version Dilemma
  04/20/16
too old
Titillating fishy parlour
  04/20/16
lol, like that'd stop him
Electric New Version Dilemma
  04/20/16
trump would be the oldest president if he were to be elected...
coral center police squad
  04/20/16
Again this all lies. The PA unpledged delgates are baked in...
anal tantric field toilet seat
  04/20/16
This is completely and totally false.
Electric New Version Dilemma
  04/20/16
Projections do not include unbound delegates. 538 has Trump ...
Electric New Version Dilemma
  04/20/16
nate silver has trump at 1,191 delegates after the June 7 pr...
coral center police squad
  04/20/16
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Electric New Version Dilemma
  04/20/16
You're insane if you think he doesn't get the nomination wit...
Confused Messiness Ape
  04/20/16
On the contrary, I'd submit you're insane if you think he's ...
Electric New Version Dilemma
  04/20/16
They should all be executed
big-titted hall
  04/20/16
"[Trump] doesn't have anything going for him except for...
Electric New Version Dilemma
  04/20/16
Oh you mean the "beauty contest?"
hairless alpha
  04/20/16
*flies to Pennsylvania with 54 briefcases, each with $100k i...
Blathering erotic hunting ground
  04/20/16
Trump will get the delegates no question
Frozen indigo ladyboy
  04/30/16
Although it does seem like the establishment is coming aroun...
sooty bull headed shrine
  04/30/16
He has almost all of the unpledged delegates. Most of them ...
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Date: April 20th, 2016 5:05 PM
Author: Electric New Version Dilemma

Pennsylvania, which holds its primary next Tuesday, uses a nonbinding “loophole” primary — and that could cost Donald Trump the Republican nomination.

If the state adopted the delegate rules of any other primary, he would probably be an even-money favorite, or better, to amass the 1,237 delegates needed before the convention.

Instead, his chances may come down to the whims of 54 unpledged Pennsylvania delegates.

No other state leaves so many of its delegates unbound — allowed to vote for whomever they please at the convention. That’s because it conducts its loophole primary in two parts. First is the “beauty contest,” which is a presidential primary preference vote. The winner of the beauty contest gets all of Pennsylvania’s 17 at-large and bonus delegates.

But the remaining 54 — the three delegates awarded to each congressional district — are unbound and elected in the delegate selection primary. In this part, voters directly elect delegates to the national convention. What makes Pennsylvania’s G.O.P. delegate selection primary so distinctive is that the ballot includes no guidance on whom a delegate will support at the national convention (the prospective Democratic delegates commit to a candidate). A voter will just see a list of names — some of whom might be recognizable, but others might as well be Joe Schmo.

(It’s called a loophole primary because it could circumvent the delegate allocation rules. Voters could, in theory, elect a slate of delegates who unanimously support one candidate, even in cases where a winner-take-all contest was prohibited.)

The result is that Pennsylvania, with the seventh-most G.O.P. delegates of any state, ranks 49th in pledged delegates. It’s behind even Puerto Rico and the District of Columbia.

The other two states with loophole primaries — West Virginia and Illinois — take a somewhat different approach: The delegates pledge whom they’ll support, and their preferences are listed alongside their names on the ballot.

When you read articles about whether Mr. Trump can reach 1,237 pledged delegates by the convention, these 54 delegates are held out of the analysis.

Mr. Trump would be favored to win a majority of Pennsylvania’s 71 delegates under any other primary system. He leads by at least nine percentage points in every survey in the state, and is ahead of Ted Cruz by an average of 44 percent to 28 percent, according to The Huffington Post Pollster. He’s up by a similar margin of 46 percent to 30 percent in The Upshot’s demographic-based model. Our model gives him an edge in 15 of the state’s 18 congressional districts.

In a standard proportional allocation, Mr. Trump would probably be on track to win at least 40 of the state’s delegates. In a winner-take-most system, like Indiana’s or California’s, Mr. Trump would be favored to win at least 60 delegates.

The difference matters a lot because Mr. Trump’s prize of 1,237 hangs on a thread. He is probably on track to finish a bit short of 1,237. Our model puts his projected delegate deficit as slightly less than the number of delegates left unpledged (54) in Pennsylvania, meaning he would be projected to win if they were bound delegates.

Although facing a challenge in Pennsylvania, Mr. Trump has benefited from other quirks in the Republican primary rules. Compared with the Democrats’ rules, the Republican ones are far more favorable to a candidate who wins with a plurality of the vote. And with the race as close as it is, any number of tweaks in the rules could make Mr. Trump a clear favorite — or an overwhelming underdog.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3201070&forum_id=2#30312885)



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Date: April 20th, 2016 5:05 PM
Author: Angry Marketing Idea

180

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Date: April 30th, 2016 12:58 AM
Author: light adventurous library

how'd this work out, poop lick?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3201070&forum_id=2#30376983)



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Date: April 20th, 2016 5:06 PM
Author: Electric New Version Dilemma

Cleveland riots are gonna be epic. Gonna be glued to CNN the whole time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3201070&forum_id=2#30312897)



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Date: April 20th, 2016 5:13 PM
Author: Useless ruby weed whacker mad cow disease

what the fuck is wrong with these fruit loops. People in politics think it's so cute to have all of these bizarre, arcane, arbitrary rules governing everything. It's as needlessly bloated and retarded as the practice of law.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3201070&forum_id=2#30312934)



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Date: April 20th, 2016 5:17 PM
Author: flickering aquamarine den ratface

("states rights" advocate unironically arguing AGAINST states rights in this one instance)...why?

the republican party in each state decides how it votes for the party nominee. there's no central authority coming up 50 different systems because its "cute"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3201070&forum_id=2#30312956)



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Date: April 20th, 2016 5:18 PM
Author: Useless ruby weed whacker mad cow disease

You can have states rights and non-fucktarded primary processes, einstein. In theory.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3201070&forum_id=2#30312963)



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Date: April 20th, 2016 6:14 PM
Author: Insecure Disturbing Chapel Associate

Are you fucking retarded? States rights and GOP primary rules are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT UNIVERSES YOU FUCKING IDIOT LIB

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3201070&forum_id=2#30313354)



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Date: April 20th, 2016 5:14 PM
Author: flickering aquamarine den ratface

tough but fair. if trump wants to go start his own party he can. the republican party doesn't want him.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3201070&forum_id=2#30312939)



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Date: April 20th, 2016 5:19 PM
Author: mind-boggling scourge upon the earth quadroon

Technically there would be nothing illegal if the republican party decided to say you have to win 2/3 of the delegates just to fuck with Trump.

The difference between that and denying Trump his PA delegates is just one of magnitude, not kind. I don't think they'd do it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3201070&forum_id=2#30312970)



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Date: April 20th, 2016 5:20 PM
Author: flickering aquamarine den ratface

gop can forfeit the election to hillary and run one of its own in 4 years, or it can be stuck w/ trump and be forced to support him again in 4 years. its starting to sound like many in the republican party prefer option a.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3201070&forum_id=2#30312979)



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Date: April 20th, 2016 6:10 PM
Author: Electric New Version Dilemma

assuming he loses, trump is 100% guaranteed to run in 2020

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3201070&forum_id=2#30313327)



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Date: April 20th, 2016 6:11 PM
Author: Titillating fishy parlour

too old

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3201070&forum_id=2#30313331)



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Date: April 20th, 2016 6:14 PM
Author: Electric New Version Dilemma

lol, like that'd stop him

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3201070&forum_id=2#30313356)



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Date: April 20th, 2016 6:14 PM
Author: coral center police squad

trump would be the oldest president if he were to be elected this year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3201070&forum_id=2#30313359)



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Date: April 20th, 2016 6:13 PM
Author: anal tantric field toilet seat

Again this all lies. The PA unpledged delgates are baked into all the 1237 predictions. Indiana is the real test.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3201070&forum_id=2#30313348)



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Date: April 20th, 2016 6:15 PM
Author: Electric New Version Dilemma

This is completely and totally false.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3201070&forum_id=2#30313366)



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Date: April 20th, 2016 6:27 PM
Author: Electric New Version Dilemma

Projections do not include unbound delegates. 538 has Trump wining the 16 or 17 winner-take-all PA delegates and ZERO of the 54 unbound delegates.

http://puu.sh/opOUU/67fa00b473.png

If he ends up with 1,192 pledged delegates, PA's 54 unpledged delegates would clinch the nomination.

Just look at the bar graph on the right of the graphic. Take note of the light-gray shaded area with the arrow pointing at it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3201070&forum_id=2#30313466)



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Date: April 20th, 2016 6:16 PM
Author: coral center police squad

nate silver has trump at 1,191 delegates after the June 7 primaries. this obviously does not include unbound delegates. although difficult, trump could convince enough to get him to 1,237 on the first ballot. the 54 unbound PA delegates will be absolutely critical since the vast majority of CO, ND, and WY delegates elected at the state conventions are cruz supporters.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3201070&forum_id=2#30313372)



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Date: April 20th, 2016 6:17 PM
Author: Electric New Version Dilemma



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3201070&forum_id=2#30313380)



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Date: April 20th, 2016 6:55 PM
Author: Confused Messiness Ape

You're insane if you think he doesn't get the nomination with 1,191+ bound delegates going into the convention. The alternative is total chaos in the Republican party. I don't know exactly where the line is but I have to think he needs to be at least 100 delegates short for a second ballot to have any kind of legitimacy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3201070&forum_id=2#30313668)



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Date: April 20th, 2016 7:06 PM
Author: Electric New Version Dilemma

On the contrary, I'd submit you're insane if you think he's a shoo-in even if he exceeds 1,237.

The RNC will stop at nothing to deprive him of the nomination. They've made that very, very clear.

Even with more than 1,237, he's far from guaranteed to secure the nomination.

The RNC/Cuckstablishment would rather have Hillary and hope to unseat her in 2020 than have Trump as the nominee. They aren't even shy about this naked preference.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3201070&forum_id=2#30313731)



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Date: April 20th, 2016 6:28 PM
Author: big-titted hall

They should all be executed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3201070&forum_id=2#30313476)



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Date: April 20th, 2016 6:29 PM
Author: Electric New Version Dilemma

"[Trump] doesn't have anything going for him except for a bunch of votes."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3201070&forum_id=2#30313488)



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Date: April 20th, 2016 7:03 PM
Author: hairless alpha

Oh you mean the "beauty contest?"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3201070&forum_id=2#30313713)



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Date: April 20th, 2016 6:37 PM
Author: Blathering erotic hunting ground

*flies to Pennsylvania with 54 briefcases, each with $100k inside*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3201070&forum_id=2#30313546)



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Date: April 30th, 2016 12:28 AM
Author: Frozen indigo ladyboy
Subject: Trump will get the delegates no question

Let's see how they vote once the Donald gets on Twitter and tells his supporters to firebomb RNC headquarters if they don't give him his 1237.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3201070&forum_id=2#30376886)



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Date: April 30th, 2016 1:56 AM
Author: sooty bull headed shrine

Although it does seem like the establishment is coming around to trump, I'm wondering if the neocon wing who will never support trump will convince the rnc to do this just to force some sort of confrontation whereby trump supporters look like terrorists and the rnc looks like the martyr for falling on the grenade on behalf of the country just to garner sympathy votes downticket.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3201070&forum_id=2#30377134)



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Date: April 30th, 2016 12:50 AM
Author: silver space

He has almost all of the unpledged delegates. Most of them pledged to support the district winner and his insiders make up a significant portion.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3201070&forum_id=2#30376955)



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Date: December 19th, 2016 3:55 PM
Author: silver space



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Date: December 19th, 2016 2:38 PM
Author: anal tantric field toilet seat



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3201070&forum_id=2#32180774)



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Date: December 19th, 2016 3:54 PM
Author: Nighttime Walnut Resort



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3201070&forum_id=2#32181512)