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Quitting biglaw with no job - fucked for life?
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Date: April 30th, 2016 2:21 PM Author: Diverse Therapy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3210263&forum_id=2#30378931) |
Date: April 30th, 2016 2:22 PM Author: Turquoise Step-uncle's House how much do you have saved (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3210263&forum_id=2#30378943) |
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Date: April 30th, 2016 2:23 PM Author: Diverse Therapy I think spouse and I have 250k saved, but like 30k debt
spouse works job that pays mid five figures, but at least i have health insurance |
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Date: April 30th, 2016 2:23 PM Author: saffron dingle berry telephone Staying in biglaw is probably the biggest waste of life possible.
Do you have much debt? If not, you should figure out any other career you might be interested in. Anything else will be better than working with biglaw people. |
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Date: April 30th, 2016 2:24 PM Author: Diverse Therapy I'm just so burned out right now that I just want out. Yeah, I'm thinking of going back to accounting/finance (LOLS). Lawyers are terrible people.
we have collectively around 30k debt, but 250k liquid saved (i think like 180k of it is actually liquid, rest is 401k) |
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Date: April 30th, 2016 2:25 PM Author: Turquoise Step-uncle's House interest rate on debt? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3210263&forum_id=2#30378959) |
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Date: April 30th, 2016 2:25 PM Author: Diverse Therapy dunno 4-5%? i could just pay it all off now tbh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3210263&forum_id=2#30378961) |
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Date: April 30th, 2016 2:27 PM Author: Diverse Therapy also another factor is that my parents, who have like 10 million liquid, HIGHLY disapprove of this strategy...they want me to stick out.
but i can't take it anymore.
they are also so goddamn stingy with money.... |
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Date: April 30th, 2016 2:28 PM Author: indigo cerebral jap sounds like you should just look for a new job. fucked for life is a bit ridiculous (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3210263&forum_id=2#30378974) |
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Date: April 30th, 2016 2:29 PM Author: Diverse Therapy you don't understand - my parents are super bitchy and stingy and prestige obsessed
they probably wouldn't give us money unless we were dying/starving to death
but yeah i'm too tired after work to look for new jobs and most law jobs look like shit
i kind of just want to quit then explore non-law jobs/careers |
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Date: April 30th, 2016 2:34 PM Author: indigo cerebral jap look for jobs at work (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3210263&forum_id=2#30378997) |
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Date: April 30th, 2016 4:05 PM Author: Olive well-lubricated lettuce stage If ur parents are so liquid why do u have debt
Sounds like foame |
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Date: May 1st, 2016 7:39 AM Author: alcoholic brethren hominid (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3210263&forum_id=2#30382764) |
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Date: May 1st, 2016 7:41 AM Author: alcoholic brethren hominid Boomers, bro.
"This is my grandfather's money, not your's. Bootstraps." |
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Date: November 23rd, 2018 7:22 PM Author: Flatulent garrison international law enforcement agency (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3210263&forum_id=2#37289428) |
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Date: November 13th, 2018 10:11 PM Author: Bipolar Dysfunction Casino (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3210263&forum_id=2#37227696) |
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Date: April 30th, 2016 2:30 PM Author: sepia famous landscape painting mediation Can you take disability for depression? If I had it to do over again, I might try that strategy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3210263&forum_id=2#30378982) |
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Date: April 30th, 2016 2:31 PM Author: Diverse Therapy i don't know, but i don't want to fuck over myself for future gov jobs that do background checks...
and yeah i'm probably depressed |
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Date: April 30th, 2016 2:35 PM Author: sepia famous landscape painting mediation I would look into employer confidentiality obligations, and get some good references beforehand. Disgruntled lawyers who have recently left the firm make excellent ones (think "the enemy of my enemy...") (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3210263&forum_id=2#30379006) |
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Date: April 30th, 2016 2:31 PM Author: lemon supple quadroon sounds like you should just start looking for a chill new job (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3210263&forum_id=2#30378985) |
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Date: April 30th, 2016 2:32 PM Author: Diverse Therapy i have, but kind of want to quit without job lined up
i want a NON LAW JOB or a chill legal job..which doesn't seem to exist |
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Date: April 30th, 2016 2:33 PM Author: lemon supple quadroon bro, no matter what kind of job you want to get in the future, it is ALWAYS easier to find a job if you are currently employed. this is true even for transitioning from law to non law.
that's just the sad truth about the world.
let your hatred for BIGLAW grow inside of you, and let it motivate you to find and apply to new jobs |
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Date: April 30th, 2016 2:36 PM Author: self-absorbed spot athletic conference I agree with this. Dont quit until you have another offer in hand. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3210263&forum_id=2#30379011) |
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Date: April 30th, 2016 2:36 PM Author: Diverse Therapy i'm thinking of going back to school for a year to brush up on my pre-law resume though
i also just kind of want to chill for a year in school |
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Date: April 30th, 2016 2:36 PM Author: lemon supple quadroon that's unorthodox but not a terrible idea
what kind of program would you go to? |
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Date: April 30th, 2016 2:37 PM Author: Diverse Therapy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3210263&forum_id=2#30379021) |
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Date: April 30th, 2016 2:33 PM Author: Diverse Therapy also, i think about suicide on a daily basis in biglaw......i hate this job so much (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3210263&forum_id=2#30378994) |
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Date: April 30th, 2016 2:34 PM Author: Glittery Maniacal Parlor what year (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3210263&forum_id=2#30379004) |
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Date: April 30th, 2016 2:35 PM Author: Diverse Therapy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3210263&forum_id=2#30379007) |
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Date: April 30th, 2016 2:37 PM Author: stirring brass sandwich I dunno, bro. Option 1: you have $250k and the freedom to do anything you want but in a few years you might run out of money. Option 2: you work in a job you hate for 12 hours a day until your family decides they hate you and you kill yourself but they get to inherit like $600k. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3210263&forum_id=2#30379020) |
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Date: April 30th, 2016 2:38 PM Author: Diverse Therapy My spouse is willing to take a higher paying job and/or move if i can't find a job within 2-3 years (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3210263&forum_id=2#30379024) |
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Date: April 30th, 2016 2:51 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle cerise bawdyhouse that's very understanding of her. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3210263&forum_id=2#30379069) |
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Date: April 30th, 2016 3:00 PM Author: Garnet Orchestra Pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3210263&forum_id=2#30379103) |
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Date: April 30th, 2016 3:04 PM Author: Diverse Therapy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3210263&forum_id=2#30379122) |
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Date: April 30th, 2016 2:38 PM Author: sepia famous landscape painting mediation why are you still there then? You're worried about screwing yourself out of a gov't job by claiming short-term disability, but your mind is in this state? Dude that shouldn't be your major concern. Taking the risk someone might find out isn't your biggest gamble. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3210263&forum_id=2#30379026) |
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Date: April 30th, 2016 2:40 PM Author: Diverse Therapy dunno...people bitching at me about lasting, etc.
i've lined up a voluntary position in public sector already, but people think i'm dumb for taking a non-paying position
i kind of just want out now though...and be done with it all clean and clear |
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Date: April 30th, 2016 2:44 PM Author: sepia famous landscape painting mediation Sending you an angel. I've been where you are, you'll get through it. When you come out the other side, and when this matters to you (and one day it will), you will appreciate the training you got there and what a superior and promoteable employee it makes you - simply because every other job will seem like a cakewalk. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3210263&forum_id=2#30379041) |
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Date: April 30th, 2016 2:45 PM Author: Diverse Therapy thanks. it's hard to see the light right now.
i don't think most people understand, especially non lawyers.
only my spouse understands because they live through this shit with me |
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Date: April 30th, 2016 2:48 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle cerise bawdyhouse your spouse makes mid 5-figures at biglaw? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3210263&forum_id=2#30379055) |
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Date: April 30th, 2016 2:48 PM Author: Diverse Therapy no, just me constantly bitching at them about biglaw
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Date: April 30th, 2016 2:51 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle cerise bawdyhouse oh, haha (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3210263&forum_id=2#30379071) |
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Date: April 30th, 2016 3:19 PM Author: Titillating Pearl Toilet Seat French Chef hah...training? what at taking shit from 5'8 kikes and poasting on xo most of the work day?
some people have jobs where they actually have to be productive at work. |
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Date: April 30th, 2016 4:03 PM Author: metal goal in life yep. truly bizarre to think that biglaw will improve you as a person if you "just stick it out."
it's probably one of the most miserable human experiences people willingly submit themselves to. |
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Date: April 30th, 2016 2:36 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle cerise bawdyhouse what happens if you just start slacking off at work? quitting without any plan is a bad idea. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3210263&forum_id=2#30379012) |
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Date: April 30th, 2016 2:36 PM Author: Diverse Therapy i can't...too much work (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3210263&forum_id=2#30379015) |
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Date: April 30th, 2016 2:44 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle cerise bawdyhouse switch over to public interest or non-profit while you figure out shit? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3210263&forum_id=2#30379039) |
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Date: April 30th, 2016 2:44 PM Author: Diverse Therapy yeah i have a non paying position lined up
but it's non paying...risky to take? |
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Date: April 30th, 2016 2:50 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle cerise bawdyhouse you can't find even a poorly compensated position? i don't know b/c i quit law without a backup plan and can tell you it can suck if you don't find anything after 6 months. no income stresses you the fuck out especially if what you're doing doesn't seem to be progressing at the rate you expected. if you think your non-paying position will prevent resume gap it's definitely better than nothing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3210263&forum_id=2#30379065) |
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Date: April 30th, 2016 2:53 PM Author: Diverse Therapy i haven't looked too hard for one recently but when i applied last year PI was completely skeptical of my interest. i ended up getting a couple offers in the private sector, but they were imo just as bad as biglaw.
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Date: April 30th, 2016 3:01 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle cerise bawdyhouse well i think it's definitely an option worth exploring. you still leverage your experience but get to do it at a job you might feel is worthwhile and with nicer people. alternatively, if it's still not your thing, at least you avoid resume gap and have flexible hours allowing you to pursue other shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3210263&forum_id=2#30379105) |
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Date: April 30th, 2016 2:37 PM Author: histrionic base sneaky criminal I know a bro like this HYS + COA, walked away because of nervous breakdown, worked at a public interest group for 2 years before switching to VC, loves life. But he also notes how fucking lucky he was and how stupid he was for walking away without a real plan. |
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Date: April 30th, 2016 2:41 PM Author: Diverse Therapy how long did it take him to get a job in PI (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3210263&forum_id=2#30379035) |
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Date: April 30th, 2016 3:13 PM Author: Violent Marketing Idea lol. he just "switched" to VC? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3210263&forum_id=2#30379175) |
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Date: April 30th, 2016 5:45 PM Author: Balding obsidian scourge upon the earth boistinker Cr just switch to VC (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3210263&forum_id=2#30379877) |
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Date: April 30th, 2016 11:25 PM Author: pearly outnumbered locus associate So do public interest for a couple years, build up some experience, then lateral to VC firm. Got it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3210263&forum_id=2#30381715) |
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Date: April 30th, 2016 11:26 PM Author: learning disabled cumskin stain Does this also work for bros who did Cornell law at sticker? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3210263&forum_id=2#30381721) |
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Date: April 30th, 2016 2:53 PM Author: coiffed pit mental disorder How long have you been in biglaw? Lit or tranny? What do you hate about it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3210263&forum_id=2#30379079) |
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Date: April 30th, 2016 3:13 PM Author: Buff chapel knife OP, reflect on the "lean in" philosophy. do you feel that your quitting would set a good example for women? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3210263&forum_id=2#30379176) |
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Date: April 30th, 2016 3:14 PM Author: Diverse Therapy Don't care (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3210263&forum_id=2#30379182) |
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Date: April 30th, 2016 3:15 PM Author: Buff chapel knife why did you pursue biglaw in the first place instead of public interest? seems like that's what you wanted more (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3210263&forum_id=2#30379193) |
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Date: April 30th, 2016 3:26 PM Author: Aromatic Dull Heaven No offense but the answer is always obvious. If you get an offer from a big firm making 170 or so from the gate, you take it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3210263&forum_id=2#30379255) |
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Date: April 30th, 2016 4:45 PM Author: Misunderstood Hyperactive Becky Market Dude you have over 200k free and clear. What's the fucking holdup? I'm considering quitting biglaw with no job lined up once I hit 50k free and clear. Life's just too short and with a law license, you're never unemployed just without clients. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3210263&forum_id=2#30379599) |
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Date: May 1st, 2016 4:53 AM Author: amethyst razzle dog poop school cafeteria This faggot has made dozens of threads like this. I always click hoping there will be good advice but then find the faggot op discussing his 10m inheritance and 250k liquid (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3210263&forum_id=2#30382652) |
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Date: November 23rd, 2018 9:56 PM Author: Insane office This niggas doing the same thing two years later with his Inhouse job lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3210263&forum_id=2#37290050) |
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Date: May 1st, 2016 7:44 AM Author: Cobalt Excitant Address Without your job, youre nobody. hehe. even your parents agree. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3210263&forum_id=2#30382770) |
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Date: May 1st, 2016 8:10 AM Author: Dashing Twinkling Institution Corn Cake Against my better judgment, I'm going to bite. I quit BigLaw (Vault 20) after 3 years. Over those 3 years, I turned my 100k+ student loan debt into $0 and had socked away another $50k. And then I left.
I had never had a real job before that. I went straight from undergrad in law school, and my only job had been that big firm, where I'd also summered.
All of this mental anguish you're feeling is exactly what "they" want you to feel. "They" are the powers that be who enjoy holding the rest of the world under their thumbs--even egocentric lawyers who think they're hot shit because they work in BigLaw. ProTip: You're not hot shit; you're an exploitable monkey working for overweight boomers who are good at manipulating people around them. (If you're really unlucky, you're working with some shrew lawyer who has lost all sense of self-identity and whose life is now defined by her job).
My advice, get the fuck out of there as soon as you can. That doesn't mean you actually have to quit. But check out of their mentally ASAP. Let them fire you and get some of dat severance and/or unemployment.
Again, the notion of being fired has you scared, right? Of course it does. That's what they want from you. They want you towing the line, frightened of being fired. That way, you'll up and quit and save them the unemployment and severance.
In short, refuse to be their pawn in this game. They do not care about you. They do not care about your success. They are not your friends. Get out of there, put in an honest effort toward something else, anything else, and everything will be fine. |
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Date: May 1st, 2016 9:51 AM Author: Mauve vengeful theatre wrinkle (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3210263&forum_id=2#30382983) |
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Date: May 1st, 2016 10:46 AM Author: Diverse Therapy My only issue is that the only jobs I could probably get in a short period of time are jobs that I don't want...like other firms.........If I had to work at another firm, I'd just go back to my previous career.
I also don't want to stay here for months while applying to jobs I actually want (but likely aren't even qualified for at the moment).
But people keep telling me I'm stupid for quitting with no job lined up, although I know a good number of people who have done that and been fine in the end.... |
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Date: May 1st, 2016 4:52 PM Author: Dashing Twinkling Institution Corn Cake All right, bro, I'm not going to completely rip you to shreds, because I can remember those feelings you're having. Having said that, man the fuck up. You are a human being born with dignity; have some self respect.
"My only issue is that the only jobs I could probably get in a short period of time are jobs that I don't want...like other firms.........If I had to work at another firm, I'd just go back to my previous career."
Only jobs I could PROBABLY get. Grow some testes, man. Push your boundaries a little bit. You cannot get a job you don't apply for. [Insert quote from Gretzky about missing 100% of shots you don't take]. Have some hunger and a little faith that maybe, just maybe, you can do something different than law.
"I also don't want to stay here for months while applying to jobs I actually want (but likely aren't even qualified for at the moment)."
Why the fuck not? Are you scared that you're going to be told "no." Get over it. Do you cower in the corner at the slightest hint of social interaction for fear that the other person won't accept you 100% for who you are. Fuck em.
If you send out 1,000 application, who cares if you get 999 "no" responses. All you need is 1 yes. Again, I know that shit's cliche. But the reason it's cliche is because there is at least enough truth to it that people repeat it over and over.
And if you're scared that you might get the occasional mean email or talking to at your existing job, brush that shit off. Which transitions us nicely to:
"But people keep telling me I'm stupid for quitting with no job lined up, although I know a good number of people who have done that and been fine in the end...."
See point 2 again and stop worrying about what other people think. It's your life and you get to decide what you do with it. Only one person is fucked when you wake up at the age of 55 and realize you just wasted the best years of your life--you. Those other people don't have to live with the consequences of YOUR decisions.
Here's what it boils down to: You're sounding aspie as fuck. I'm not saying you're aspie, but it's how you're coming off. That's gotta stop immediately. You need to look in the mirror and fucking believe in yourself.
I believe in your ability to do that.
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Date: November 23rd, 2018 7:17 PM Author: Insane office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3210263&forum_id=2#37289415) |
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Date: May 1st, 2016 11:28 AM Author: French really tough guy menage Take this opportunity to stop being such a bitch and people pleaser. Starting tomorrow, tell every single partner who gives you work that you are overloaded and cannot take on anything. If the partner still insists, you must say "I have too much on my plate and it is not happening. End of story."
I had the same thing happen. Remember you are profitable at billing 800 hours. So stop thinking you need to bill over 2000 to be of any value.
In addition to what I said above, email one partner on a project you don't like and tell them you don't have the availability to properly handle it.
Stop being a bitch and pretending like you are powerless, use this as an opportunity to try stand up for yourself. If still unsuccessful then quit. |
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Date: May 1st, 2016 4:56 PM Author: Dashing Twinkling Institution Corn Cake "Take this opportunity to stop being such a bitch and people pleaser. Starting tomorrow, tell every single partner who gives you work that you are overloaded and cannot take on anything. If the partner still insists, you must say "I have too much on my plate and it is not happening. End of story." "
Preach, my brother. Stop being a bitch and exercise your basic human decency. You're being the equivalent of a cuck right now as those boomer partners run a train on your wife/fiancee/girlfriend/chick you think is hot.
Also, the line about not being available to "properly handle it" is CR advice. Don't make it about your inability, focus on the fact that you want to do an appropriately-excellent job on your other projects. And be prepared for the awkwardness that this phone call/meeting might cause. Make your peace with the fact that this might get awkward or heated, and stand your ground. Don't be the one who blinks. |
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Date: May 1st, 2016 4:58 PM Author: Vivacious jet-lagged box office coffee pot Nah this is rancid flame. Lots of people quit with nothing lined up and are fine long term. But life will be stressful after like 3 month mark and you will start to wonder if you will ever get anything, and will get progressively worse until you find something, which could take up to like 18 months depending on whether you are picky, etc. So only do it if you are truly miserable. If you don't wake up dreading to go to work, but just generally are dissatisfied, then I'd stay. But if you really are miserable on a day to day/minute to minute basis, then life is too short. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3210263&forum_id=2#30385185) |
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Date: February 6th, 2023 3:00 PM Author: provocative buck-toothed point double fault op should (or should have) at least just stop taking on new work and try to get laid off for the 3 months pay to look for a new job. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3210263&forum_id=2#45895377) |
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Date: November 25th, 2018 12:36 PM Author: Insane office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3210263&forum_id=2#37297513) |
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Date: July 15th, 2020 7:43 PM Author: Beta Theater Psychic good bump. you are fucked, btw if you haven't realized it yet. i did this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3210263&forum_id=2#40614410) |
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Date: February 6th, 2023 2:59 PM Author: Tripping Field (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3210263&forum_id=2#45895362) |