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Sebastian Junger: PTSD caused by our lack or societal connections

more complicated than that but he goes on at length about we...
free-loading depressive
  05/03/16
"The majority of traumatized vets are not faking their ...
free-loading depressive
  05/03/16
"A modern soldier returning from combat goes from the k...
free-loading depressive
  05/03/16
bump for TT
free-loading depressive
  05/03/16
"Ethnographic studies on hunter-gatherer societies rare...
passionate know-it-all area
  05/03/16
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big pocket flask plaza
  02/23/21


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Date: May 3rd, 2016 8:56 AM
Author: free-loading depressive

more complicated than that but he goes on at length about western society is completely fucked up

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/05/ptsd-war-home-sebastian-junger

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3212576&forum_id=2#30396153)



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Date: May 3rd, 2016 11:46 AM
Author: free-loading depressive

"The majority of traumatized vets are not faking their symptoms, however. They return from wars that are safer than those their fathers and grandfathers fought, and yet far greater numbers of them wind up alienated and depressed. This is true even for people who didn’t experience combat. In other words, the problem doesn’t seem to be trauma on the battlefield so much as re-entry into society. Anthropological research from around the world shows that recovery from war is heavily influenced by the society one returns to, and there are societies that make that process relatively easy. Ethnographic studies on hunter-gatherer societies rarely turn up evidence of chronic PTSD among their warriors, for example, and oral histories of Native American warfare consistently fail to mention psychological trauma. Anthropologists and oral historians weren’t expressly looking for PTSD, but the high frequency of warfare in these groups makes the scarcity of any mention of it revealing. Even the Israeli military—with mandatory national service and two generations of intermittent warfare—has by some measures a PTSD rate as low as 1 percent."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3212576&forum_id=2#30397112)



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Date: May 3rd, 2016 11:49 AM
Author: free-loading depressive

"A modern soldier returning from combat goes from the kind of close-knit situation that humans evolved for into a society where most people work outside the home, children are educated by strangers, families are isolated from wider communities, personal gain almost completely eclipses collective good, and people sleep alone or with a partner. Even if he or she is in a family, that is not the same as belonging to a large, self-sufficient group that shares and experiences almost everything collectively. Whatever the technological advances of modern society—and they’re nearly miraculous—the individual lifestyles that those technologies spawn may be deeply brutalizing to the human spirit.

“You’ll have to be prepared to say that we are not a good society—that we are an anti-human society,” anthropologist Sharon Abramowitz warned when I tried this theory out on her. Abramowitz was in Ivory Coast during the start of the civil war there in 2002 and experienced, firsthand, the extremely close bonds created by hardship and danger. “We are not good to each other. Our tribalism is about an extremely narrow group of people: our children, our spouse, maybe our parents. Our society is alienating, technical, cold, and mystifying. Our fundamental desire, as human beings, is to be close to others, and our society does not allow for that.”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3212576&forum_id=2#30397129)



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Date: May 3rd, 2016 4:54 PM
Author: free-loading depressive

bump for TT

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3212576&forum_id=2#30399433)



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Date: May 3rd, 2016 5:14 PM
Author: passionate know-it-all area

"Ethnographic studies on hunter-gatherer societies rarely turn up evidence of chronic PTSD among their warriors, for example, and oral histories of Native American warfare consistently fail to mention psychological trauma."

"War" in pre-modern civilization is fundamentally a different thing from modern warfare. Pre-modern warfare involves lots and lots of marching culminating in a short pitched battle (and sometimes not). Modern warfare consists of deployments where you can be subjected to long periods of artillery and small arms fire. At any moment you or the guy next to you could be killt by a bullet fired by someone you don't even see. I think a lot of the reason for the rise of shell shock is due being under the constant threat of sudden death and not "support networks".

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3212576&forum_id=2#30399622)



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Date: February 23rd, 2021 3:26 AM
Author: big pocket flask plaza



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