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It's really dumb that we're not all on metformin and rapamycin

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27312235 extend your yout...
poppy drunken institution preventive strike
  07/05/16
huh
useless stead doctorate
  07/05/16
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3577923/Could...
poppy drunken institution preventive strike
  07/05/16
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Self-absorbed area legend
  08/16/17
i'm on met for le reasons. rapamycin too unproven, and sides...
embarrassed to the bone mind-boggling gay wizard address
  07/05/16
how did you cop met? rapamycin does sound scary with the sid...
Flushed up-to-no-good love of her life
  07/05/16
went to an anti-aging clinic. they have them in most metro a...
embarrassed to the bone mind-boggling gay wizard address
  07/05/16
insurance pay for it?
Self-absorbed area legend
  07/05/16
no. i should try. maybe i have diabeetus, idk. i might.
embarrassed to the bone mind-boggling gay wizard address
  07/05/16
nice. how much for a month supply?
Flushed up-to-no-good love of her life
  07/05/16
about $80, which is less than i spend per month on various f...
embarrassed to the bone mind-boggling gay wizard address
  07/05/16
turmeric is supposed to have a similar pathway to metformin ...
Flushed up-to-no-good love of her life
  07/05/16
yes re stack. i take curcumin with piperine not turmeric; i ...
embarrassed to the bone mind-boggling gay wizard address
  07/05/16
What brand of curcumin do you take?
massive pink boltzmann alpha
  10/17/19
Woah! Twins used NAC CR
Navy native scourge upon the earth
  10/17/19
What's the point of NAC?
Crawly bawdyhouse skinny woman
  10/17/19
New thinking, different thinking Anti autism anti ocd anti ...
Navy native scourge upon the earth
  10/17/19
i just need 10mg of addy 3x per day (to chase my 30mg xr in ...
Self-absorbed area legend
  07/05/16
jfc man your heart's gonna give out soon
Glittery Brunch
  07/05/16
inshallah
Self-absorbed area legend
  08/16/17
global pharma said that about statins, but then statins turn...
mauve station stain
  07/05/16
:-(
Flushed up-to-no-good love of her life
  07/05/16
statins work, but the strategy of trying to cure or reduce t...
Vibrant Scarlet Range Lettuce
  08/22/17
What if I told you that you weren't a super inbred mouse?
Frozen Pit Candlestick Maker
  07/05/16
people overestimate the side effects of these drugs. I have ...
Crawly bawdyhouse skinny woman
  08/16/17
metformin seems cr, but why the FUCK would you take an immun...
aromatic twinkling uncleanness parlor
  08/16/17
can i buy metformin thru some online pharmacy. reading up on...
Self-absorbed area legend
  08/16/17
Alldaychemist. It shouldn't be difficult to get a prescripti...
Crawly bawdyhouse skinny woman
  08/16/17
rapamycin's reputation as an immunosuppressive drug is undes...
Crawly bawdyhouse skinny woman
  08/16/17
So basically by combining these two drugs, you simulate the ...
talented philosopher-king
  08/16/17
1 mg/day of rapamycin is very unlikely to have any significa...
Crawly bawdyhouse skinny woman
  08/16/17
are you dead yet?
silver magical persian lay
  10/17/19
No real change. I seem to be aging better than my peers
Crawly bawdyhouse skinny woman
  10/17/19
Update?
Olive bull headed legal warrant orchestra pit
  03/01/20
still feel fine. i changed my dosage regime to 5mg twice a w...
Crawly bawdyhouse skinny woman
  06/29/21
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Olive bull headed legal warrant orchestra pit
  09/22/19
So metformin doesn’t work without ripamycin which in t...
Olive bull headed legal warrant orchestra pit
  09/23/19
Metformin doesn't consistently extend mice lifespan by itsel...
Crawly bawdyhouse skinny woman
  10/17/19
1) rapamycin doesn't work 2) metformin doesn't really wor...
twinkling beady-eyed cuck
  09/23/19
Link? Hadn’t heard this
Olive bull headed legal warrant orchestra pit
  09/23/19
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eV_dEa6KY0 What people...
twinkling beady-eyed cuck
  09/23/19
He doesn't claim that rapamycin doesn't work, and he still t...
Crawly bawdyhouse skinny woman
  10/17/19
Non-drug interventions like intermittent fasting, slowing ne...
twinkling beady-eyed cuck
  10/17/19
I agree there are probably better options than met. Met+rapa...
Crawly bawdyhouse skinny woman
  10/17/19
Why would anyone want to live longer on this damned planet?
violent base newt
  06/29/21
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Olive bull headed legal warrant orchestra pit
  12/01/21


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Date: July 5th, 2016 9:27 PM
Author: poppy drunken institution preventive strike

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27312235 extend your youth

Abstract

The National Institute on Aging Interventions Testing Program (ITP) evaluates agents hypothesized to increase healthy lifespan in genetically heterogeneous mice. Each compound is tested in parallel at three sites, and all results are published. We report the effects of lifelong treatment of mice with four agents not previously tested: Protandim, fish oil, ursodeoxycholic acid (UDCA) and metformin - the latter with and without rapamycin, and two drugs previously examined: 17-α-estradiol and nordihydroguaiaretic acid (NDGA), at doses greater and less than used previously. 17-α-estradiol at a threefold higher dose robustly extended both median and maximal lifespan, but still only in males. The male-specific extension of median lifespan by NDGA was replicated at the original dose, and using doses threefold lower and higher. The effects of NDGA were dose dependent and male specific but without an effect on maximal lifespan. Protandim, a mixture of botanical extracts that activate Nrf2, extended median lifespan in males only. Metformin alone, at a dose of 0.1% in the diet, did not significantly extend lifespan. Metformin (0.1%) combined with rapamycin (14 ppm) robustly extended lifespan, suggestive of an added benefit, based on historical comparison with earlier studies of rapamycin given alone. The α-glucosidase inhibitor, acarbose, at a concentration previously tested (1000 ppm), significantly increased median longevity in males and 90th percentile lifespan in both sexes, even when treatment was started at 16 months. Neither fish oil nor UDCA extended lifespan. These results underscore the reproducibility of ITP longevity studies and illustrate the importance of identifying optimal doses in lifespan studies.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3275901&forum_id=2#30859950)



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Date: July 5th, 2016 10:03 PM
Author: useless stead doctorate

huh

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3275901&forum_id=2#30860247)



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Date: July 5th, 2016 10:10 PM
Author: poppy drunken institution preventive strike

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3577923/Could-miracle-drug-extend-life-results-anti-ageing-medical-trial-dogs-astonishing-says-scientist.html

A ‘miracle drug’ found in the soil at Easter Island is believed to have qualities that could one day help humans live longer – and it may already be working for dogs.

Scientists from the University of Washington are testing the effects of a drug called rapamycin on dogs to see if it will slow down the aging process.

Researchers were shocked by results of the initial trials, finding that some dogs showed improved heart functionality after just a few weeks.

Scientists from the University of Washington are testing the effects of a drug called rapamycin on dogs to see if it will slow down the aging process. Researchers were shocked by results of the initial trials, finding that some dogs showed improved heart functionality after just a few weeks.

Scientists from the University of Washington are testing the effects of a drug called rapamycin on dogs to see if it will slow down the aging process. Researchers were shocked by results of the initial trials, finding that some dogs showed improved heart functionality after just a few weeks

WHAT IS RAPAMYCIN?

Rapamycin is a bacterial by-product discovered in the shadows of the Easter Island's famous statues.

It is already used in transplant patients to prevent organ rejection and scientists say it can improve learning and help treat cognitive decline.

However, it comes with some serious side effects. For instance, the compound suppresses the immune system and makes patients vulnerable to any viruses and bacteria.

The existing version of the drug also increases the risk of cancer and would need to be modified before using in human trials.

The study is led by biologist Matt Kaeberlein and his colleague, Daniel Promislow.

According to Fusion, the researchers began clinical trials this year, expanding on earlier findings that rapamycin increases the lifespan of mice.

Rapamycin is a bacterial by-product discovered in the shadows of the island's famous statues and is named after Rapa Nui, the Polynesian name for Easter Island.

Dogs age very quickly compared to a human lifespan; most live between 10 and 13 years.

This allows researchers to study the entire aging process in a short amount of time.

The team recruited 40 dog-owners, who were each to give their pets three tablets of rapamycin a week, Fusion reports.

Rapamycin is a bacterial by-product discovered in the shadows of the island's famous statues and is named after Rapa Nui, the Polynesian name for Easter Island, pictured above. It is already used in transplant patients to prevent organ rejection and scientists say it can improve learning and help treat cognitive decline

Rapamycin is a bacterial by-product discovered in the shadows of the island's famous statues and is named after Rapa Nui, the Polynesian name for Easter Island, pictured above. It is already used in transplant patients to prevent organ rejection and scientists say it can improve learning and help treat cognitive decline

After the researchers weeded out dogs with heart conditions and other medical factors, they were left with 24 middle-aged dogs, who would each receive low doses of the drug.

This continued over the course of 10 weeks, and the researchers took echocardiograms throughout to determine any changes in the animal’s heart function.

The team discovered that dogs receiving rapamycin showed improved heart functionality, or showed no change.

And, those who had come in with worse conditions initially saw the most improvement, Fusion reports.

Kaeberlein says the results are 'astonishing' and he was 'shocked' when he got the data.

The team discovered that dogs receiving rapamycin showed improved heart functionality, or showed no change. And, those who had come in with worse conditions initially saw the most improvement. Moving forward, the researchers plan to conduct further tests with the drugs that will span multiple years.

The team discovered that dogs receiving rapamycin showed improved heart functionality, or showed no change. And, those who had come in with worse conditions initially saw the most improvement. Moving forward, the researchers plan to conduct further tests with the drugs that will span multiple years

Rapamycin is already used in transplant patients to prevent organ rejection and several years ago, and scientists in the journal Neuroscience said it can improve learning and help treat cognitive decline.

In mice, it has been shown to extend the lives of mice by 13 per cent in females and nine per cent in males.

Now, the researchers say it may help dogs live longer as well.

‘It is almost certain that rapamycin can slow the effects of aging in dogs and people,’ Kaeberlein told Fusion.

‘The only question is whether it can slow aging with doses that don’t have significant side effects.’

Moving forward, the researchers plan to conduct further tests with the drugs that will span multiple years – and they hope it will be approved for humans in the next decade.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3275901&forum_id=2#30860313)



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Date: August 16th, 2017 10:50 PM
Author: Self-absorbed area legend



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3275901&forum_id=2#34007343)



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Date: July 5th, 2016 10:17 PM
Author: embarrassed to the bone mind-boggling gay wizard address

i'm on met for le reasons. rapamycin too unproven, and sides are scary (immune system).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3275901&forum_id=2#30860412)



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Date: July 5th, 2016 10:34 PM
Author: Flushed up-to-no-good love of her life

how did you cop met? rapamycin does sound scary with the sides.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3275901&forum_id=2#30860576)



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Date: July 5th, 2016 10:36 PM
Author: embarrassed to the bone mind-boggling gay wizard address

went to an anti-aging clinic. they have them in most metro areas. you could also prob order online.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3275901&forum_id=2#30860600)



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Date: July 5th, 2016 10:38 PM
Author: Self-absorbed area legend

insurance pay for it?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3275901&forum_id=2#30860624)



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Date: July 5th, 2016 10:43 PM
Author: embarrassed to the bone mind-boggling gay wizard address

no. i should try. maybe i have diabeetus, idk. i might.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3275901&forum_id=2#30860668)



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Date: July 5th, 2016 10:46 PM
Author: Flushed up-to-no-good love of her life

nice. how much for a month supply?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3275901&forum_id=2#30860694)



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Date: July 5th, 2016 10:53 PM
Author: embarrassed to the bone mind-boggling gay wizard address

about $80, which is less than i spend per month on various flame supplements like turmeric (with piperine, of course), NAC, vitamin d3, garlic, and vitamin mk7.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3275901&forum_id=2#30860782)



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Date: July 5th, 2016 10:54 PM
Author: Flushed up-to-no-good love of her life

turmeric is supposed to have a similar pathway to metformin right? do you stack them? I've also read that the standardized turmeric shit isn't as good.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3275901&forum_id=2#30860796)



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Date: July 5th, 2016 11:09 PM
Author: embarrassed to the bone mind-boggling gay wizard address

yes re stack. i take curcumin with piperine not turmeric; i mistyped. i should prob. check my glucose levels, now that you mention it. hadn't thought about the interaction - use curcumin for depression and inflammation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3275901&forum_id=2#30860996)



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Date: October 17th, 2019 1:27 PM
Author: massive pink boltzmann alpha

What brand of curcumin do you take?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3275901&forum_id=2#38991846)



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Date: October 17th, 2019 12:51 PM
Author: Navy native scourge upon the earth

Woah! Twins used NAC

CR

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3275901&forum_id=2#38991690)



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Date: October 17th, 2019 1:12 PM
Author: Crawly bawdyhouse skinny woman

What's the point of NAC?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3275901&forum_id=2#38991781)



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Date: October 17th, 2019 2:30 PM
Author: Navy native scourge upon the earth

New thinking, different thinking

Anti autism anti ocd anti rut

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3275901&forum_id=2#38992206)



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Date: July 5th, 2016 10:34 PM
Author: Self-absorbed area legend

i just need 10mg of addy 3x per day (to chase my 30mg xr in the morning) and i am good :))))

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3275901&forum_id=2#30860586)



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Date: July 5th, 2016 11:01 PM
Author: Glittery Brunch

jfc man your heart's gonna give out soon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3275901&forum_id=2#30860877)



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Date: August 16th, 2017 11:03 PM
Author: Self-absorbed area legend

inshallah

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3275901&forum_id=2#34007452)



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Date: July 5th, 2016 10:39 PM
Author: mauve station stain

global pharma said that about statins, but then statins turned out to be poison.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3275901&forum_id=2#30860632)



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Date: July 5th, 2016 10:50 PM
Author: Flushed up-to-no-good love of her life

:-(

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3275901&forum_id=2#30860739)



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Date: August 22nd, 2017 5:33 PM
Author: Vibrant Scarlet Range Lettuce

statins work, but the strategy of trying to cure or reduce the incidence of specific diseases doesn't produce much in the way of health benefits. by the time people are old enough to worry about cardiovascular disease from high cholesterol, there are likely other things wrong with their body that will kill them in a few years. it's more effective to target aging itself

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3275901&forum_id=2#34047503)



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Date: July 5th, 2016 10:58 PM
Author: Frozen Pit Candlestick Maker

What if I told you that you weren't a super inbred mouse?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3275901&forum_id=2#30860839)



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Date: August 16th, 2017 10:50 PM
Author: Crawly bawdyhouse skinny woman

people overestimate the side effects of these drugs. I have been taking metformin and rapamycin for the last couple years and except for more mouth ulcers I have felt fine. The problem arises with high dosages of rapamycin that suppress both mtor complexes.

I wish I had been able to get a measurement of my DNA methylation/ epigenetic clock done before starting. I am surprised no one has funded a study to measure this in humans on metformin and/or rapamycin. It would be possible to quantify the health benefits just by looking at how gene expression evolves over a few months.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3275901&forum_id=2#34007335)



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Date: August 16th, 2017 10:56 PM
Author: aromatic twinkling uncleanness parlor

metformin seems cr, but why the FUCK would you take an immunosuppressive drug?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3275901&forum_id=2#34007387)



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Date: August 16th, 2017 11:05 PM
Author: Self-absorbed area legend

can i buy metformin thru some online pharmacy. reading up on it it sounds like it would be great for me. my carb heavy diet is killing me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3275901&forum_id=2#34007472)



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Date: August 16th, 2017 11:11 PM
Author: Crawly bawdyhouse skinny woman

Alldaychemist. It shouldn't be difficult to get a prescription for met from many doctors - it is a pretty benign drug.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3275901&forum_id=2#34007531)



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Date: August 16th, 2017 11:07 PM
Author: Crawly bawdyhouse skinny woman

rapamycin's reputation as an immunosuppressive drug is undeserved. They tested it in olds and saw indications of improved immune function. An anti-aging regime should be at a significantly lower dosage than one used to suppress cancer growth. I am not taking 5mg/day.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3275901&forum_id=2#34007500)



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Date: August 16th, 2017 11:09 PM
Author: talented philosopher-king

So basically by combining these two drugs, you simulate the effects of AIDS? You lose weight, are more prone to disease, and get open sores?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3275901&forum_id=2#34007514)



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Date: August 16th, 2017 11:13 PM
Author: Crawly bawdyhouse skinny woman

1 mg/day of rapamycin is very unlikely to have any significant negative effects.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3275901&forum_id=2#34007553)



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Date: October 17th, 2019 12:48 PM
Author: silver magical persian lay

are you dead yet?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3275901&forum_id=2#38991678)



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Date: October 17th, 2019 5:02 PM
Author: Crawly bawdyhouse skinny woman

No real change. I seem to be aging better than my peers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3275901&forum_id=2#38992800)



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Date: March 1st, 2020 11:29 PM
Author: Olive bull headed legal warrant orchestra pit

Update?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3275901&forum_id=2#39680157)



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Date: June 29th, 2021 7:44 PM
Author: Crawly bawdyhouse skinny woman

still feel fine. i changed my dosage regime to 5mg twice a week. i cut out the metformin since there is some evidence it might reduce the benefits from exercise.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3275901&forum_id=2#42707264)



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Date: September 22nd, 2019 3:40 PM
Author: Olive bull headed legal warrant orchestra pit



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3275901&forum_id=2#38869788)



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Date: September 23rd, 2019 10:22 AM
Author: Olive bull headed legal warrant orchestra pit

So metformin doesn’t work without ripamycin which in turn has super nasty side effects?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3275901&forum_id=2#38872447)



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Date: October 17th, 2019 12:45 PM
Author: Crawly bawdyhouse skinny woman

Metformin doesn't consistently extend mice lifespan by itself. The case for its use as a geroprotector in humans is better, but no one really knows. We are probably talking about 1-2 years of additional life if it works.

Rapamycin doesn't have nasty side effects at normal dosages. You could do transient dosing once a week if you don't want it in your system all the time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3275901&forum_id=2#38991672)



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Date: September 23rd, 2019 10:24 AM
Author: twinkling beady-eyed cuck

1) rapamycin doesn't work

2) metformin doesn't really work either as it dulls the effect of exercise.

David Sinclair has clarified this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3275901&forum_id=2#38872453)



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Date: September 23rd, 2019 10:27 AM
Author: Olive bull headed legal warrant orchestra pit

Link? Hadn’t heard this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3275901&forum_id=2#38872463)



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Date: September 23rd, 2019 10:29 AM
Author: twinkling beady-eyed cuck

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eV_dEa6KY0

What people need to realize is this is all research and theoretical and nobody needs to start drugging themselves for all this unproven stuff.

Just take care of yourself. In a few decades when actual anti-aging treatments are available that WORK, you will still be young enough to benefit if you're about 40 or under today.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3275901&forum_id=2#38872465)



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Date: October 17th, 2019 3:30 AM
Author: Crawly bawdyhouse skinny woman

He doesn't claim that rapamycin doesn't work, and he still takes metformin.

There is a high probability rapamycin can delay aging in humans. It consistently works in a wide range of species, the mtor pathway is conserved in humans and genes related to it are tied to longevity. There was a recent study showing slowed epigenetic aging in human cell cultures with rapamycin. The concern with rapamycin is the side effect profile, not its efficacy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3275901&forum_id=2#38990216)



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Date: October 17th, 2019 12:49 PM
Author: twinkling beady-eyed cuck

Non-drug interventions like intermittent fasting, slowing neuronal activity, exercise and proper sleep work better.

David only takes Metformin on days he doesn't exercise because it dulls the benefit of exercise. Rapamycin is considered very risky.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3275901&forum_id=2#38991682)



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Date: October 17th, 2019 1:17 PM
Author: Crawly bawdyhouse skinny woman

I agree there are probably better options than met. Met+rapamycin looks like a very promising combination though for those who don't want to implement lifestyle interventions.

There are legitimate concerns about rapamycin, but it seems reasonably safe at low doses. The glucose intolerance issues don't seem like a real problem at least

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3275901&forum_id=2#38991799)



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Date: June 29th, 2021 7:52 PM
Author: violent base newt

Why would anyone want to live longer on this damned planet?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3275901&forum_id=2#42707293)



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Date: December 1st, 2021 2:19 AM
Author: Olive bull headed legal warrant orchestra pit



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3275901&forum_id=2#43537424)