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Current Flyover AUSA who hates job -- why?
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Date: July 22nd, 2016 7:06 PM Author: Boyish Mustard Roast Beef isn't it supposed to be the holy grail lawyer jerb? what's wrong with it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3297044&forum_id=2#31003608) |
Date: July 22nd, 2016 7:08 PM Author: exciting casino chad The pay for AUSAs is shit supposedly Crim or civ? |
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Date: July 22nd, 2016 7:10 PM Author: Boyish Mustard Roast Beef nah i'm asking a Q for that guy. he said he's a former hls coa clerk current ausa who dislikes his jerb. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3297044&forum_id=2#31003631) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2016 7:12 PM Author: motley nighttime toaster office I go to lunch periodically with a Boomer AUSA who sincerely believes he's akin to an underpaid, overworked social worker. We'll go to lunch and he'll bitch about how I get paid more than him. He always feints toward the tab as if he's going to get it, but I always pick up the whole thing. He'll pause his "getting out my wallet" routine if I'm taking longer than usual to let me catch up.
I laugh and treat him like he's one of the bros (I'm 6'2" and fratty). In my mind I play a scene on loop where I walk into the restaurant and shoot him in the chest and forehead with a suppressed 9mm and coldly walk out. (I dunno why that specific scene; maybe it was in a Bourne movie or something.) It helps my nodding and laughing seem more genuine. |
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Date: July 22nd, 2016 8:56 PM Author: fishy son of senegal stag film Why do you have lunch with people you fantasize about killing? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3297044&forum_id=2#31004459) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2016 9:18 PM Author: motley nighttime toaster office "networking" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3297044&forum_id=2#31004625) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2016 9:25 PM Author: fishy son of senegal stag film Can this guy actually help you, or are you both fooling yourselves? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3297044&forum_id=2#31004676) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2016 9:29 PM Author: motley nighttime toaster office The latter, obviously.
There is a component here, though, of we both owe homage to a third guy who (1) put me in my present position; (2) ordered this AUSA guy to talk to me and shit. So I have to please him.
This is all just as interesting and cool as it sounds. |
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Date: July 22nd, 2016 9:16 PM Author: Pontificating Range Ladyboy Very fratty, brother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3297044&forum_id=2#31004597) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2016 9:17 PM Author: Scarlet Azn Principal's Office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3297044&forum_id=2#31004612) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2016 9:18 PM Author: motley nighttime toaster office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3297044&forum_id=2#31004627) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2016 7:14 PM Author: Beady-eyed area really tough guy He probably hates it because it's not a good job. Especially in flyover.
If he's doing criminal all he does is prosecute retards on FIP, drug, and kiddie porn charges.
If civil, mostly tort claims act type garbage.
Law tards lionize AUSA jobs because they seem prestigious. They're not.
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Date: July 22nd, 2016 7:16 PM Author: exciting casino chad Hardly anything goes to trial too. So you're not getting that kind of experience. I've also heard AUSA jobs can be less stable in that a new US Attorney could come in and clean house |
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Date: July 22nd, 2016 7:38 PM Author: motley nighttime toaster office Lol bro, there are lifers in the offices we're talking about who "work" (secretary style, no billing, where they work 10-15% of the time they're in the office) less than 40/hrs a week and vacation 6 weeks a year.
Some of these guys barely work their cases any harder than their state-level counterparts, who have 12x the caseload. |
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Date: July 22nd, 2016 8:48 PM Author: Beady-eyed area really tough guy You seem dumb.
No shit it's an easy job. It's a fucking government job.
The point is it's dull being an ausa and if you have the credinitials to get the job you could probably be doing something better |
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Date: July 22nd, 2016 8:54 PM Author: motley nighttime toaster office The creds of these lawyers aren't all that great. You're looking at the fact that there are extremely well-qualified people on the coasts who would kill for the job, and assuming that that must mean the job is super competitive. Many of these offices will only hire locals.
Look at the background of the AUSAs in the District of Kansas or something, and you'll find that probably 1/10 of the guys there could have landed a job with a V50 at the point that they got their AUSA job. |
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Date: July 22nd, 2016 8:58 PM Author: Razzle crystalline sneaky criminal mad cow disease the creds of these guys are inflated relative to wherever they are. the AUSAs in kansas should have could have been baller law firm guys in kansas just like the ones on the coast. if the public service prestige and time off don't make up for the money it's not for you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3297044&forum_id=2#31004470) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2016 9:02 PM Author: exciting casino chad Just do regular bigfed attorney then. They telework and the pay is the same if not better than an AUSA (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3297044&forum_id=2#31004498) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2016 9:24 PM Author: Razzle crystalline sneaky criminal mad cow disease agree but they're probably into the prestige of being an AUSA. it sounds a lot cooler than 'i'm an attorney for the alcohol and tobacco tax bureau.' and it's got exit options. if you're just a lazy gov't lifer take the agency route. but those types probably aren't going to make AUSA even in flyover. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3297044&forum_id=2#31004671) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2016 9:21 PM Author: motley nighttime toaster office That's true enough, but xo doesn't typically control for location like that. It should be noted that, by national standards, the guys in D. Kan.'s USAO are not elite.
And that's worth pointing out, because if D. Kan. really wanted to fill the office with nationally elite lawyers, it could get them. |
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Date: July 22nd, 2016 9:26 PM Author: Razzle crystalline sneaky criminal mad cow disease yeah but those nationally elite dudes would bail for the big city after a couple years. at least the local elite guys will stick around. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3297044&forum_id=2#31004684) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2016 9:03 PM Author: Carmine Sanctuary Party Of The First Part every AUSA i know complains about the workload compared to biglaw. it's as much if not more. maybe it's different in flyover (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3297044&forum_id=2#31004505) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2016 9:16 PM Author: Chocolate state I've heard it's like twice the workload at least in ny..which seems insane to me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3297044&forum_id=2#31004607) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2016 9:22 PM Author: motley nighttime toaster office It's completely different in flyover, as is virtually every aspect of the job. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3297044&forum_id=2#31004657) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2016 9:35 PM Author: Fluffy locale puppy Flip side is they are much more tolerant of fuckups than BIGLAW (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3297044&forum_id=2#31004752) |