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Date: July 27th, 2016 12:32 AM Author: Disrespectful theatre
I remember a time when it used to be the GOP (specifically the Fox News set) that was known for utterly outlandish conspiracy theories.
It seems that's more of a dem thing now.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3302552&forum_id=2#31039951) |
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Date: July 27th, 2016 12:58 AM Author: rebellious famous landscape painting
Leading a literal conspiracy movement that accused America's first black president of being an illegal alien criminal is the most buffoonish thing on Trump's resume of buffoonery.
I haven't seen any polling, but that is probably a function of the fact that the attacks on that front haven't started yet. Michelle opened that up this week, and I assure you that was not a throw-away line but a harbinger of things to come. There will be lots of ads about it, and the media will take the bait and start forcing him to respond. If Michelle's line doesn't convince you this will happen maybe this article from one of Hillary's most trusted advisors will.
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/04/26/birtherism-trump-s-original-sin-and-media-s-latest-one/210088
Next time you watch the news, do me a favor. Take a look at the reporters’ arms. Do they seem tired to you? Overworked? They have to be a little sore at least. Such is the vigor with which the media have been patting themselves on the back lately.
After a full year of the Trump steamroller -- in which a honey-baked ham with authoritarian inclinations has managed to blow past any serious questioning of his policies or candidacy -- the media apparently feel that they’re now doing their jobs.
You could see it a few weeks back in the breathless praise for MSNBC's Chris Matthews when he interrogated Trump on abortion; or in the hype around the New York Times interview that nailed down Trump’s Strangelovian approach to nuclear weapons; or even in Trump’s recent pivot toward a more “presidential” tone. Among reporters and critics that I know, there’s a growing sentiment that Trump is changing his ways because they, the press, are taking him seriously now. They’re handling Trump not based on the job he has (obnoxious reality star) but on the job he wants (president or, perhaps, generalissimo).
Call me crazy, but I’m not totally buying this notion. I think it’s a crock. The media haven’t “done their job” with regard to Trump, and the reason why is very simple: The press have largely ignored the issue that made him a political phenomenon in the first place.
The media have overlooked Trump’s birtherism.
I’m a Catholic. I’ve seen enough baptismal water spilled to fill William Taft’s bathtub ten times over. But it doesn’t take a Catholic like me to understand the original sin of the Trump candidacy. His first act on the political stage was to declare himself the head of the birther movement. For Trump, the year 2011 began with the BIG NEWS that he had rejected Lindsay Lohan for Celebrity Apprentice, but by April, his one-man show to paint Barack Obama as a secret Kenyan had become the talk of the country. Five years later, Trump is nearing the Republican nomination for president.
In many ways, birtherism is the thing that launched Trump's campaign. But as he nears the big prize in Cleveland, Trump has refused disavow his conspiracy theory. In July, when Anderson Cooper pressed Trump on whether President Obama was, in fact, born in the United States, Trump’s response was, “I really don’t know.”
I’m taxing my mind to find a historical comparison here, to put this in context. I suppose Trump’s birtherism is the intellectual equivalent of the flat-earth theory; both are fully contradicted by the evidence. But then again, there is a difference between the two, and the difference is this: If a presidential candidate insisted that the USS Theodore Roosevelt would fall off the edge of the map after sailing past Catalina, Wolf Blitzer would probably ask him about it.
It’s been nine months since Cooper pressed Trump on the issue of whether he thinks the president is an American -- almost enough time, as Trump might put it, to carry a baby to term in Kenya and secretly transport him to Hawaii -- and still, no one has gotten an answer. In fact, most have stopped asking. It’s now known among reporters that Obama’s birthplace is a strictly verboten topic for Trump. If you bring up the subject, as Chris Matthews did in December, Trump looks at you with a glare I assume he otherwise reserves for undocumented immigrants and say, “I don’t talk about that anymore.”
Since July, there have been 12 debates, six televised forums, and enough cable interviews to combust a DVR, but the only “birther” issue extensively covered in the press has involved whether Sen. Ted Cruz was born in Calgary Flames territory. Most reporters don't seem to want to piss off the The Donald and risk losing their access.
Look, I understand that there’s plenty of craziness to investigate in our politics. Cruz believes that global warming is a hoax. Ben Carson claimed that the Biblical Joseph built the Great Pyramid of Khufu. Heck, once upon a time, George W. Bush famously thought the jury was out on evolution.
But Trump’s birtherism is far, far more important -- for two reasons:
First, in my experience, when a politician says he doesn’t talk about an issue, that’s precisely the issue you should ask him about.
Second, there’s another difference between being birther and flat-earther. It’s possible to believe the Earth is flat and not be a bigot, but it’s impossible to be a birther and not be one.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3302552&forum_id=2#31040132)
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Date: July 27th, 2016 12:46 AM Author: bateful citrine double fault
and the subset of those white ppl who consider birther nonsense as racism or serious enough to change their mind if they were leaning Trump?
walk me through here - you are against hillary, hate her actions/track record, worried about terrorism, taxes and you are living in the suburbs. and now some ad runs about Trump questioning Obama's birth place. and then what?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3302552&forum_id=2#31040054)
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Date: July 27th, 2016 2:22 AM Author: bateful citrine double fault
there will be ppl who lean hillary. these ads will strengthen their sentiments. not arguing that
i am talking about moderates who are leaning trump. this issue will be completely ineffective as they have to agree with Trump's drastically different positions on security/trade/immigration to lean towards Trump that his birther nonsense or his off color comments will have no effect. Obviously ppl who lean Trump are going to value those actual issues like immigration a lot more than whatever shit he was upto 4 years ago as a celebrity TV star
So trump still has the same job. convince ppl that he is right on trade/national security/immigration. if he can do that for more than 50% of the independents he wins the election. the ones he cant will like these ads about his disabled reporter comments, birther shit and will pat themselves on their back. and the blacks of course bcos they think questioning Obama because of exotic background (kenyan father etc) means racism against blacks. Trump will not be questioning Sharpton/Jesse jackson's place of birth if they had been the nominee. Not excusing Trump's idiotic behavior but calling that racism against blacks is silly when it is targeted towards a specific individual
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3302552&forum_id=2#31040514) |
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Date: July 27th, 2016 2:56 AM Author: rebellious famous landscape painting
First of all, he needs to win like 60% of "independents" because so many "independents" are republicans who are trying to forget that they used to be the strongest supporters of George W. Bush and the most gung-ho about the $3 trillion war he launched. I've noticed this about the very few Republicans I know IRL who are publicly for Trump--they were the biggest GWB supporters I knew in 2004.
Second of all, you are overstating or failing to account for (1) the extent to which voters make their decisions based on policy; (2) how much of a fundamental weakness trump's buffoonery is (a poll that says over half of americans would be "embarrassed" for the country if he were elected reflects as fundamental a weakness/liability as hillary's dishonesty numbers) (3) Trump's ability to hold constant his few alleged advantages over Hillary (his purported "populism," his newfound "non-interventionism" and his honesty/trustworthiness numbers--which are horrific when compared to anyone but hillary--will be the target of a barrage of advertising re: Trump U, malaysian sweatshops, H1B visas, Trump's angry videotaped demand that Obama "take out" Ghaddafi "immediately", etc.).
All of these problems are exacerbated by the electoral college calculations. I'll repeat this again: this election is going to be decided by educated moderate white voters who will put Pa. and Va. out of reach for Trump.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3302552&forum_id=2#31040605) |
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Date: July 27th, 2016 3:29 AM Author: bateful citrine double fault
i dont know. its pretty speculative and trump has been teflon don and is a well known TV star unlike Romney who was relatively unknown and ppl could be influenced by ads. 2012 election was kind of low key while this has been very closely watched, divisive etc. i dont think an ad campaign would be as effective as u think. just my opinion
Hillary has already spent 20M in battleground states. so what is going to make the difference? different type of ads?
i think the election is beyond the hands of trump/hillary unless one of them (Trump is more likely here) makes a major unforced error. i think geopolitical/internal events beyond the control of Trump/Hillary will decide the election
Trump was on his knees after his idiotic judge comments,campaign dysfunction mid to late june. Then Dallas/Baton Rouge, ISIS attacks in europe happened and he came roaring back
I think this is a very big edge for Trump and probably more important than any ad campaign that Hillary super pacs can come up with. nobody is going to give a shit he mocked a disabled reporter when ppl are getting blown up and police are getting ambushed
regarding black turnout comment it sounds suspiciously like the UNTHKEW comments made by GOP tards in 2012
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3302552&forum_id=2#31040663) |
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Date: July 28th, 2016 1:09 AM Author: Apoplectic Hairraiser Doctorate Point
i can't speak for blacks, but i can speak for asian-americans, who i spoke to about the obama birther charges.
back in 2012 i talked to a lot of asian-americans, both friends and family, about the election. i was the only one supporting romney. they actually had nothing too bad to say about romney; they admitted that he's a super smart successful guy, good family man, could do a decent job as POTUS. but 2 things: first, they preferred Obama's policies, and second, they were terrified of the GOP as a national party. they brought up the fact that around 60% of the GOP base really believed that Obama was born in Kenya, which would make him an illegal alien, a usurper of the worst kind. they said "if they think our President and leader of the free world is an illegal alien, what must they think about us?" i think lot of republicans underestimate how much damage birtherism inflicted on Romney's performance with minorities. Romney crushed it with the white vote, garnering 59%, while McCain got 55%. but he did worse than McCain with latinos and asians. and the black voter turnout actually INCREASED in 2012.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3302552&forum_id=2#31048662)
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Date: July 27th, 2016 12:41 AM Author: ungodly poppy step-uncle's house
d e s p e r a t i o n
but honestly this email scandal is huge unless you're a partisan hack and I'm sure there's more to cum
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3302552&forum_id=2#31040015) |
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Date: July 27th, 2016 2:18 AM Author: Titillating pink macaca
Please link to these "public opinion polls," both from this point in 2008 with Obama and now.
Because you're wrong.
If by any chance you are referring to the polls cited in this article, they are outdated and do not take the DNC email leaks into account. Like it or not, they have tremendously dampened Sanders supporters' enthusiasm for Hillary and will lead to a fractured party (enough of these people will vote third party or stay home).
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/25/the-democratic-convention-is-chaotic-the-democratic-base-isnt/
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3302552&forum_id=2#31040495) |
Date: July 27th, 2016 12:52 AM Author: Titillating pink macaca
Also, a fairly easily analogy to make is that Hillary essentially got caught robbing a bank and her defense is that someone that doesn't like her turned her in.
Hope the media runs with this all day long.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3302552&forum_id=2#31040091) |
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