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Have to fire someone next week. Am dreading it.

She is a bad lawyer with terrible hours who adds very little...
excitant stead fortuitous meteor
  09/20/16
They'll be better off! Just tell the person to work for his ...
Arousing chapel
  09/20/16
she tried that at some point before she came to us. I don't...
excitant stead fortuitous meteor
  09/20/16
It's a girl is she fuckable? If she does things right give h...
Arousing chapel
  09/20/16
no, not at all
excitant stead fortuitous meteor
  09/20/16
ugly and bad at her job? DING!
Painfully honest station
  09/20/16
...
Peach Lay
  09/20/16
You're a decent human being, congrats
turquoise dilemma place of business
  09/20/16
...
Sickened at-the-ready foreskin police squad
  09/20/16
just be happy it isn't reversed
Chest-beating base party of the first part
  09/20/16
"with terrible hours" LOL @ this "professi...
Vermilion Hairraiser People Who Are Hurt Locus
  09/20/16
Especially once you include her share of fixed costs, we are...
excitant stead fortuitous meteor
  09/20/16
why doesnt anyone want to work with her
Vermilion Hairraiser People Who Are Hurt Locus
  09/20/16
see below. Just not a good lawyer.
excitant stead fortuitous meteor
  09/20/16
what makes her a bad lawyer and how long has she been with t...
Marvelous Violent Codepig
  09/20/16
A year. Has billed 750 hours. Makes mistakes, so you have ...
excitant stead fortuitous meteor
  09/20/16
she has to know the ax is coming after performance reviews a...
Marvelous Violent Codepig
  09/20/16
yes, probably, although I insinuated a month or so ago that ...
excitant stead fortuitous meteor
  09/20/16
btw, how glaring are her mistakes? i kind of do this too but...
Marvelous Violent Codepig
  09/20/16
pretty glaring. Gave her about 15 tenant estoppels to prepa...
excitant stead fortuitous meteor
  09/20/16
T25 LS? If not, this is what your firm gets for hiring 40 yr...
Marvelous Violent Codepig
  09/20/16
what's a "T25"
Adventurous affirmative action
  09/20/16
top 25
Marvelous Violent Codepig
  09/20/16
how are you gonna do it?
Floppy Purple Box Office Clown
  09/20/16
Walk into her office, shut the door, and tell her we are let...
excitant stead fortuitous meteor
  09/20/16
Well, there it is. I understand feeling bad for someone who...
cracking embarrassed to the bone church building
  09/20/16
you'd better have someone else in there with you or you're g...
Vengeful drab electric furnace ceo
  09/21/16
*Global capitalism gently placing your hand on the gun* *...
Marvelous Violent Codepig
  09/20/16
she is actually older than me. Probably early 40's.
excitant stead fortuitous meteor
  09/20/16
how can someone that old not know how to practice law
titillating shrine ratface
  09/20/16
we have a number of people like this. Been practicing for y...
excitant stead fortuitous meteor
  09/20/16
Please provide an example/anecdote showcasing this
titillating shrine ratface
  09/20/16
is she a 1st yr?
Marvelous Violent Codepig
  09/20/16
no, junior skills, but actually graduated from law school a ...
excitant stead fortuitous meteor
  09/20/16
Early 40s is ting it top genes and takes care of body perfec...
Arousing chapel
  09/20/16
what language is this? is it like ebonics?
Marvelous Violent Codepig
  09/20/16
careful
Adventurous affirmative action
  09/20/16
Ye$ Ebonics my friend! Online Ebonics
Arousing chapel
  09/20/16
180
Marvelous Violent Codepig
  09/20/16
If it makes you feel better,she's prob on wife/mommy track a...
Out-of-control stage
  09/20/16
no kids
excitant stead fortuitous meteor
  09/20/16
Hmm I couldn't stand people like this at my engineering firm...
Arousing chapel
  09/20/16
you're so fucking annoying. shut the hell up already
Swashbuckling Reading Party Institution
  09/20/16
cr
disturbing hospital jew
  09/20/16
lol'd irl
Twinkling godawful useless brakes gay wizard
  09/21/16
Oh hmm, it sounded like she was some 27 year old first year ...
Out-of-control stage
  09/20/16
Firing people is never fun, especially when you're not givin...
Boyish cruel-hearted karate crackhouse
  09/20/16
you mean all AZN's
duck-like principal's office
  09/20/16
Yeah very sick people that enjoy firing someone
Arousing chapel
  09/20/16
As someone who just got fired recently (and who has had to f...
Frum shivering boistinker idiot
  09/20/16
"This eliminates embarrassing shit like begging for ano...
Marvelous Violent Codepig
  09/20/16
it's rare but it does happen unfortunately. You just have to...
Frum shivering boistinker idiot
  09/20/16
you got fired from the bartender job?
Marvelous Violent Codepig
  09/20/16
bar manager bro. I got drunk at the bar on saturday night af...
Frum shivering boistinker idiot
  09/20/16
wow, that was quick. what now?
Marvelous Violent Codepig
  09/20/16
back to pounding the pavement.
Frum shivering boistinker idiot
  09/20/16
whats the big deal? you can't drink at the bar when you're o...
shaky rigpig
  09/20/16
I thought it was a total over-reaction and was not expecting...
Frum shivering boistinker idiot
  09/20/16
sounds like you lost the respect of staff and thus your auth...
Marvelous Violent Codepig
  09/20/16
that was his read for sure. Not sure how accurate it is but ...
Frum shivering boistinker idiot
  09/20/16
your firm gonna keep her on the website and act as a referen...
Marvelous Violent Codepig
  09/20/16
yes, we will. And give her 6 weeks severance.
excitant stead fortuitous meteor
  09/20/16
To be fair, that's what you get for paying your associates s...
Stimulating clear antidepressant drug
  09/20/16
boom
titillating shrine ratface
  09/20/16
We don't pay all associates badly, just the shitty ones whic...
excitant stead fortuitous meteor
  09/20/16
You said there are "many" like her in your firm! W...
Arousing chapel
  09/20/16
haha
Diverse shimmering state
  09/21/16
you don't have some sort of semi lock step system based on c...
Stimulating clear antidepressant drug
  09/20/16
semi lockstep, although it is very much based on skills, and...
excitant stead fortuitous meteor
  09/20/16
re: the ppl who "jumped around a lot between lit and tr...
henna business firm
  09/20/16
i feel bad for her but would feel worse if she was some eage...
Marvelous Violent Codepig
  09/20/16
This. I would have serious trouble firing someone enthusias...
cracking embarrassed to the bone church building
  09/20/16
fuck, now I have to give her a bunch of work to do knowing t...
excitant stead fortuitous meteor
  09/21/16
it's a kindness to her that you feel so guilty allow some...
Milky dragon sweet tailpipe
  09/21/16
I am not a very angry person. I have a lot/way too much emp...
excitant stead fortuitous meteor
  09/21/16
they haven't ruined you yet; stay strong
Milky dragon sweet tailpipe
  09/21/16
Wow. She quit on her own. How fortuitous!
excitant stead fortuitous meteor
  09/26/16
Details ?
Vivacious emerald sanctuary therapy
  09/27/16
just found out that she got a job in biglaw with a really go...
excitant stead fortuitous meteor
  09/27/16
She read this thread.
Exciting violent locale queen of the night
  09/27/16


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Date: September 20th, 2016 12:30 PM
Author: excitant stead fortuitous meteor

She is a bad lawyer with terrible hours who adds very little to our firm, but it is still almost all I can think about.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451396)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 12:40 PM
Author: Arousing chapel

They'll be better off! Just tell the person to work for his or her self

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451473)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 12:40 PM
Author: excitant stead fortuitous meteor

she tried that at some point before she came to us. I don't think it went well.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451481)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 12:44 PM
Author: Arousing chapel

It's a girl is she fuckable? If she does things right give her a chance to save her job friend;) or find her something else;)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451504)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 12:45 PM
Author: excitant stead fortuitous meteor

no, not at all

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451510)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 12:49 PM
Author: Painfully honest station

ugly and bad at her job?

DING!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451535)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 7:21 PM
Author: Peach Lay



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31454084)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 12:30 PM
Author: turquoise dilemma place of business

You're a decent human being, congrats

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451405)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 1:02 PM
Author: Sickened at-the-ready foreskin police squad



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451636)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 12:31 PM
Author: Chest-beating base party of the first part

just be happy it isn't reversed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451409)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 12:32 PM
Author: Vermilion Hairraiser People Who Are Hurt Locus

"with terrible hours"

LOL @ this "profession"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451412)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 12:32 PM
Author: excitant stead fortuitous meteor

Especially once you include her share of fixed costs, we are losing a good bit of money by employing her.

And her hours are shit because no one wants to work with her, not because there isn't enough work to do.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451424)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 12:37 PM
Author: Vermilion Hairraiser People Who Are Hurt Locus

why doesnt anyone want to work with her

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451452)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 12:39 PM
Author: excitant stead fortuitous meteor

see below. Just not a good lawyer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451466)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 12:34 PM
Author: Marvelous Violent Codepig

what makes her a bad lawyer and how long has she been with teh firm?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451434)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 12:37 PM
Author: excitant stead fortuitous meteor

A year. Has billed 750 hours. Makes mistakes, so you have to check everything she does. Doesn't have any intuitive sense of the right thing to do and clearly doesn't often even understand what is going on. If she were enthusiastic or responsive or any of those things that are intangible, we might be willing to work with her, but doesn't really seem to care much or have a particularly good attitude about anything.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451455)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 12:39 PM
Author: Marvelous Violent Codepig

she has to know the ax is coming after performance reviews and billing 750, no?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451467)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 12:40 PM
Author: excitant stead fortuitous meteor

yes, probably, although I insinuated a month or so ago that we might instead move her to hourly, although now we've decided we just need to cut the cord.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451476)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 12:47 PM
Author: Marvelous Violent Codepig

btw, how glaring are her mistakes? i kind of do this too but never anything substantive (i think).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451521)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 12:49 PM
Author: excitant stead fortuitous meteor

pretty glaring. Gave her about 15 tenant estoppels to prepare for a real estate acquisition, and there are at least 5 mistakes that would be a major issue if they ever actually came up after closing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451532)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 12:50 PM
Author: Marvelous Violent Codepig

T25 LS? If not, this is what your firm gets for hiring 40 yr old TTT grads.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451545)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 12:56 PM
Author: Adventurous affirmative action

what's a "T25"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451590)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 12:59 PM
Author: Marvelous Violent Codepig

top 25

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451617)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 12:37 PM
Author: Floppy Purple Box Office Clown

how are you gonna do it?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451451)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 12:38 PM
Author: excitant stead fortuitous meteor

Walk into her office, shut the door, and tell her we are letting her go. She has gotten a lot of talking to over the last couple of months, so it certainly won't come as a complete shock.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451463)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 1:32 PM
Author: cracking embarrassed to the bone church building

Well, there it is. I understand feeling bad for someone who didn't realize there was an issue and who didn't get a chance to fix things. Sounds like she had multiple opportunities and has a bad attitude.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451883)



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Date: September 21st, 2016 9:34 PM
Author: Vengeful drab electric furnace ceo

you'd better have someone else in there with you or you're going to get lawsuitpwned

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31463462)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 12:42 PM
Author: Marvelous Violent Codepig

*Global capitalism gently placing your hand on the gun*

*Raises your arm and points it at young millenial's head*

"Just close your eyes, pull the trigger, and it will be over before you know it," GC whispers in your ear.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451487)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 12:43 PM
Author: excitant stead fortuitous meteor

she is actually older than me. Probably early 40's.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451493)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 12:45 PM
Author: titillating shrine ratface

how can someone that old not know how to practice law

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451511)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 12:47 PM
Author: excitant stead fortuitous meteor

we have a number of people like this. Been practicing for years and just don't "get it". Aren't able to make decisions for themselves, and when they do make them, they are often terrible....still make big mistakes...don't know what issues are important. I'm convinced that if you don't "get it" after 5 years of practicing law, you will never.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451519)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 1:18 PM
Author: titillating shrine ratface

Please provide an example/anecdote showcasing this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451774)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 12:45 PM
Author: Marvelous Violent Codepig

is she a 1st yr?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451515)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 12:48 PM
Author: excitant stead fortuitous meteor

no, junior skills, but actually graduated from law school a while ago. No positive why we hired her, but it wasn't my decision.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451526)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 12:47 PM
Author: Arousing chapel

Early 40s is ting it top genes and takes care of body perfect top, bottom; inside and out! I wouldn't fire her I'd mentor her! "Age is a flamelie

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451523)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 12:49 PM
Author: Marvelous Violent Codepig

what language is this? is it like ebonics?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451538)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 12:56 PM
Author: Adventurous affirmative action

careful

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451593)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 12:57 PM
Author: Arousing chapel

Ye$ Ebonics my friend! Online Ebonics

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451599)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 1:03 PM
Author: Marvelous Violent Codepig

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451646)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 12:45 PM
Author: Out-of-control stage

If it makes you feel better,she's prob on wife/mommy track and was just riding things out until firing and won't be upset. Nobody bills 750 if they cared at all about the job.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451509)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 12:45 PM
Author: excitant stead fortuitous meteor

no kids

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451512)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 12:49 PM
Author: Arousing chapel

Hmm I couldn't stand people like this at my engineering firm but I ended up covering all of their hours and made a fortune Ljl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451534)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 1:06 PM
Author: Swashbuckling Reading Party Institution

you're so fucking annoying. shut the hell up already

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451669)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 1:20 PM
Author: disturbing hospital jew

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451793)



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Date: September 21st, 2016 8:51 PM
Author: Twinkling godawful useless brakes gay wizard

lol'd irl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31463041)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 12:54 PM
Author: Out-of-control stage

Oh hmm, it sounded like she was some 27 year old first year but she's actually a 40s something mid level?

I'm sure she sees the writing on the wall though and won't be surprised at least.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451575)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 12:52 PM
Author: Boyish cruel-hearted karate crackhouse

Firing people is never fun, especially when you're not giving them notice (I never give people notice).

It's only slightly enjoyable when the person is a dick and everyone hates the person.

It's never something I look forward to though. People who look forward to that kind of shit are 2 steps away from becoming serial killers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451563)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 12:54 PM
Author: duck-like principal's office

you mean all AZN's

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451570)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 12:54 PM
Author: Arousing chapel

Yeah very sick people that enjoy firing someone

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451571)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 12:56 PM
Author: Frum shivering boistinker idiot

As someone who just got fired recently (and who has had to fire ppl in the past) my only advice is to be respectful and professional and to make sure she knows immediately that the decision has already been made. This eliminates embarrassing shit like begging for another chance.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451586)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 12:59 PM
Author: Marvelous Violent Codepig

"This eliminates embarrassing shit like begging for another chance."

jfc. this sounds absolutely brutal.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451612)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 1:01 PM
Author: Frum shivering boistinker idiot

it's rare but it does happen unfortunately. You just have to close the door firmly right at the beginning. The dude who just canned me said "I need my keys back" first thing so there was no question the decision had been made.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451629)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 1:03 PM
Author: Marvelous Violent Codepig

you got fired from the bartender job?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451639)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 1:07 PM
Author: Frum shivering boistinker idiot

bar manager bro. I got drunk at the bar on saturday night after a long day shift. I sat down to have a bowl of soup and relax and two regulars bought me a drink. Ended up getting wasted. Next day I came in the owner was there to fire me. No bullshit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451681)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 1:11 PM
Author: Marvelous Violent Codepig

wow, that was quick. what now?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451715)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 1:17 PM
Author: Frum shivering boistinker idiot

back to pounding the pavement.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451759)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 1:38 PM
Author: shaky rigpig

whats the big deal? you can't drink at the bar when you're off duty?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451936)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 1:41 PM
Author: Frum shivering boistinker idiot

I thought it was a total over-reaction and was not expecting to get fired. I WAS wasted however and they needed to call an uber for me because my phone died. It's hard to explain the vibe of the place but the owner is pretty involved and he told me he didn't think the staff would be comfortable around me after this happened. That being said, I should have had a better read on the situation and not gotten drunk there.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451952)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 1:44 PM
Author: Marvelous Violent Codepig

sounds like you lost the respect of staff and thus your authority over them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451974)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 1:46 PM
Author: Frum shivering boistinker idiot

that was his read for sure. Not sure how accurate it is but it's his place and he gets to make up the rules. Sucks getting fired and I know beggars can't be choosers but I didn't really like it there so in a way it's a relief.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451983)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 1:00 PM
Author: Marvelous Violent Codepig

your firm gonna keep her on the website and act as a reference at least? it'd be easier firing her knowing she has a good chance of finding something else.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451623)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 1:19 PM
Author: excitant stead fortuitous meteor

yes, we will. And give her 6 weeks severance.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451777)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 1:04 PM
Author: Stimulating clear antidepressant drug

To be fair, that's what you get for paying your associates shit, no?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451654)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 1:19 PM
Author: titillating shrine ratface

boom

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451781)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 1:25 PM
Author: excitant stead fortuitous meteor

We don't pay all associates badly, just the shitty ones which we probably should never have hired.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451823)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 1:29 PM
Author: Arousing chapel

You said there are "many" like her in your firm! Why not clean house?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451854)



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Date: September 21st, 2016 4:21 PM
Author: Diverse shimmering state

haha

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31461159)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 1:48 PM
Author: Stimulating clear antidepressant drug

you don't have some sort of semi lock step system based on class year?

How do you decide how much to pay a 40 year old junior/midlevel lawyer?

How much was she actually paid (give or take - no doobs).

We are having a hard time recruiting talent for real estate - but we are still sticking to people who have firm experience and who aren't aimless fuck ups.

It takes a lot to actually lose money on any associate, but 750 hours might do it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31452003)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 4:53 PM
Author: excitant stead fortuitous meteor

semi lockstep, although it is very much based on skills, and we hired a few 10th year lawyers with 3rd year transactional experience, and paid them like 3rd years. Neither worked out, so we won't be doing that again.

We decide to pay the person described above (40 yr old with junior skills) based on experience.

We paid her $140k, which is what we'd normally pay a 3rd year.

Yes, we mostly stick to those people...the couple of times we've done differently when we were desperate for anyone we get burned....granted some of these people have great pedigrees, Harvard and Stanford, but jumped around a lot between lit and transactional and random jobs, and clearly there was a reason.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31453246)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 7:20 PM
Author: henna business firm

re: the ppl who "jumped around a lot between lit and transactional"

were they mostly ppl who started in transactional then figured they could do lit? i've never really contemplated doing the opposite (lit to transactional).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31454083)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 1:39 PM
Author: Marvelous Violent Codepig

i feel bad for her but would feel worse if she was some eager 20-something just struggling with a steep learning curve.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31451940)



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Date: September 20th, 2016 1:48 PM
Author: cracking embarrassed to the bone church building

This. I would have serious trouble firing someone enthusiastic that was struggling. But firing someone who obviously just dgaf is much easier.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31452002)



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Date: September 21st, 2016 4:11 PM
Author: excitant stead fortuitous meteor

fuck, now I have to give her a bunch of work to do knowing that we have to fire her...feel so guilty.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31461067)



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Date: September 21st, 2016 4:15 PM
Author: Milky dragon sweet tailpipe

it's a kindness to her that you feel so guilty

allow some anger to seep in; if she were more competent, your gentle soul would be less anguished

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31461112)



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Date: September 21st, 2016 4:20 PM
Author: excitant stead fortuitous meteor

I am not a very angry person. I have a lot/way too much empathy. It is probably why I'm not more successful.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31461158)



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Date: September 21st, 2016 4:21 PM
Author: Milky dragon sweet tailpipe

they haven't ruined you yet; stay strong

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31461164)



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Date: September 26th, 2016 10:10 PM
Author: excitant stead fortuitous meteor

Wow. She quit on her own. How fortuitous!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31499891)



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Date: September 27th, 2016 10:30 AM
Author: Vivacious emerald sanctuary therapy

Details ?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31504362)



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Date: September 27th, 2016 9:50 PM
Author: excitant stead fortuitous meteor

just found out that she got a job in biglaw with a really good firm. Ho lee fuk, they are going to be in for a rude awakening unless they are hiring her as a junior associate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31509072)



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Date: September 27th, 2016 10:35 AM
Author: Exciting violent locale queen of the night

She read this thread.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3357834&forum_id=2#31504379)