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If you're not a dullard, watch this and assume its a frequent police encounter
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Date: September 23rd, 2016 9:01 PM Author: Scarlet aphrodisiac senate https://mic.com/articles/148910/video-shows-police-tasing-24-year-old-patrick-mumford-before-realizing-he-s-innocent#.G538Bw7NN
Read the article and watch the video. It shows what I proposed is the typical black male interaction with police and explains much of the mistrust.
1) Misidentificaiton 2) Officer failure to folllow protocal and arguably law 3) A person "resists" because they didn't do anything and don't feel they have to submit to commands if they didn't do anything. 4) Cops immediately get collective lie together. 5) Guy still gets charged for obstruction or resisting when he should have never been approached. 6) Cops claims guy looks like someone else (he doesn't) because you know all black people look alike.
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Date: September 23rd, 2016 9:11 PM Author: jet-lagged range black people did this to themselves. if a suspect could just lie about his name after fitting the description and have the cops walk away, they would all lie to the police. MUH NAME PATRICK, I DIDN'T DO NUFFIN!
dude should've just shown some fucking ID |
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Date: September 23rd, 2016 9:13 PM Author: Scarlet aphrodisiac senate If he would've reached for id, he would've been shot.
Why can't the cop say, i have a warrant for X, are you telling me you aren't X?
Guy says yes, here is my id.
Why is the onus on the citizen who has not done anything and not the government official?
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Date: September 23rd, 2016 9:17 PM Author: jet-lagged range that's what happened AFTER he started resisting the cops and gets tased for it. if he said "my name is patrick, I can show you my ID" there wouldn't have been any problems. instead he slunk back in to his car like he was going to resist. cops see this shit and 99% of the time it's just the suspect but they still say I DIDNT DO NUFFIN, WHY YOU DOIN THIS
how do you think the world would work if the cops had to back off every time someone said "No, I'm not the 24 year old black you're looking for! Take my word for it!" lmao |
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Date: September 23rd, 2016 9:20 PM Author: Scarlet aphrodisiac senate The guy told him he was Patrick (because he was). Are you saying the cop has no duty to verify he's fucking with the right person? How come the onus is not on the cop to say "Show me an ID that says you're Patrick." Why did you overlook the fact that cop refused to show warrant, which also might have prevented the incident? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3361529&forum_id=2#31477487) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2016 9:18 PM Author: Lilac Hell it gets tricky around (3) because even if you think the cops are making a mistake in detaining you there is zero chance that trying to resist them is in your interest unless you really think you can fight them off and are prepared to live your life as a fugitive rather than getting their mistake straightened out. unless want to tell people they are allowed to fight back against the cops if they think they really don't deserve to be arrested
of course there is some subjectivity in what counts as "resisting arrest" as well that complicates this |
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Date: September 23rd, 2016 9:22 PM Author: Scarlet aphrodisiac senate I agree compliance is best practices. But that doesn't change that the natural reaction is to say fuck you, i didn't do anything. Why does white America refuse to put any responsibility on the cop to stop and try to control the situation in some means other than violence? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3361529&forum_id=2#31477503) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2016 9:21 PM Author: Orchid Striped Hyena Stage So the dindu tries to get in his car after being told to stand up and put his hands behind his back, and you expect me to feel sorry for him for what happens after that? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3361529&forum_id=2#31477491) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2016 9:23 PM Author: Scarlet aphrodisiac senate Yes, because he told the cop who he was (not the person cop was looking for). And the cop never asked for ID to verify who he was. Instead the cop just starts to ape out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3361529&forum_id=2#31477509) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2016 9:33 PM Author: Embarrassed to the bone overrated reading party liquid oxygen The way to deescalate is for the suspect to calmly comply while explaining the circumstances. Do you understand that he could have easily been reaching for a gun in his car? Police have to assume the worst until everything is sorted out. They happened to be mistaken here, but they can't assume that without proof, and they can't safely obtain proof unless he is compliant. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3361529&forum_id=2#31477570) |
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Date: September 23rd, 2016 9:37 PM Author: Scarlet aphrodisiac senate Or they could you know, ask for identification. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3361529&forum_id=2#31477583) |