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The bicameral mind / "voice of the gods" is a primary key to Westworld
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Date: October 17th, 2016 9:12 PM Author: nighttime theater stage nowag Just last episode:
- when Teddy is reciting his new narrative back to Ford, he says Wyatt's "strange ideas" are that he believes he can hear the voice of the gods
- during the conversation between Ford and Bernard in Ford's office, Ford lays out the basic tenets of the bicameral mind and that it was considered to be a way to "bootstrap consciousness"
- and then when Dolores is about to be raped and finds the gun in the hay, there is a random man's voice that says "shoot him" right before she does.
Together, episode 3 strongly seems to point towards the theory that Ford is intentionally manipulating the hosts to achieve sentience -- that he's putting into action the theory that "Arnold" allegedly pursued prior to his "accidental death." |
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Date: October 18th, 2016 10:26 AM Author: nighttime theater stage nowag here's a screen cap of the CC when dolores hears the voice telling her to kill the guy in the barn: https://puu.sh/rNbov/b519f2847d.png (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3389876&forum_id=2#31668641) |
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Date: October 18th, 2016 10:48 AM Author: Vigorous White Trust Fund what's the significance of the CC? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3389876&forum_id=2#31668714) |
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Date: October 18th, 2016 11:15 AM Author: nighttime theater stage nowag just that it's a disembodied man's voice instructing her to kill him - i.e., a voice of the gods in action (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3389876&forum_id=2#31668806) |
Date: October 18th, 2016 9:58 AM Author: nighttime theater stage nowag alternative interpretations: wyatt is arnold, arnold is ed harris.
Ford’s talks with Teddy and Bernard included a lot of exposition, but while one focused on a new fictional narrative and the other detailed the history of the park’s mysterious co-founder the two seem inextricably tied together. The story line he gives to Teddy casts Wyatt (Sorin Brouwers) as a figure out of a nightmare—something Teddy’s eventual face-off with Wyatt’s followers seems to confirm—who began as a simple man overwhelmed by the world around him. He claimed he could hear “the voice of god” which turned him into a merciless killer. Ford introduces the narrative calling it “a fiction that like all great stories is rooted in truth.” The truth in question bears similarities to the story he shares with Bernard regarding the long-forgotten co-founder, Arnold. The man’s been “scrubbed” from the park’s official history after apparently losing both his sanity and life inside the park. Arnold was intent on creating consciousness in the hosts before butting up against the theory of the bicameral mind—the hosts went crazy believing their thoughts were actually the voice of god instructing them what to do. So is Ford simply building his new narrative around what happened with Arnold and making Wyatt a dramatized version of where Arnold went wrong? Ford’s interest in that steeple he found is starting to become clearer and suggests his own curiosity in tying these artificial beings to the beginning of religious beliefs. The long shot argument here… could Arnold be the Man in Black? Ford says Arnold began wandering the park and speaking only to the hosts, and while he says he died there no details are offered. The age seems right, he seems to know most of the park’s ins and outs, and his comment about being born there fits the idea of someone who found renewed purpose in Westworld.
https://filmschoolrejects.com/hbo-westworld-episode-3-review-d17628f35f9d#.1iomd8d40 |
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Date: October 18th, 2016 10:08 AM Author: emerald swashbuckling toaster MIB being Arnold is a very interesting theory (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3389876&forum_id=2#31668581) |
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Date: October 18th, 2016 10:00 AM Author: massive bespoke people who are hurt menage yep. i think AHop aka "arnold" is secretly engineering consciousness in his (fellow) androids (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3389876&forum_id=2#31668556) |
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Date: October 18th, 2016 10:02 AM Author: apoplectic disturbing hunting ground piazza The theory seems to be misunderstood by the show (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3389876&forum_id=2#31668563) |
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Date: October 18th, 2016 10:03 AM Author: nighttime theater stage nowag yeah (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3389876&forum_id=2#31668570) |
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Date: October 18th, 2016 10:35 AM Author: Hairraiser Rambunctious Idiot Ladyboy what did the MiB do to Dolores in the barn? of course we assume he raped her. i really doubt that now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3389876&forum_id=2#31668661) |
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Date: October 18th, 2016 10:41 AM Author: massive bespoke people who are hurt menage his familiarity/manerisms around her imply a more intimate relationship than just sex-- like he's her creater and "owns" her. i don't think he's arnold tho-- pretty sure ed harris is an android. the "maze" (at least according to bernard) is some device to "free" the hosts aka give them consciousness. ed harris wouldn't be obsessed with getting that if he already has it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3389876&forum_id=2#31668685) |
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Date: October 18th, 2016 10:45 AM Author: Hairraiser Rambunctious Idiot Ladyboy otoh the little mexican girl tells him the "maze is not for you," suggesting that he IS a human. maybe he is just on the spectrum and hosts can't tell if he is human or host? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3389876&forum_id=2#31668702) |
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Date: October 18th, 2016 10:46 AM Author: massive bespoke people who are hurt menage maybe AHop specifically doesn't want ed harris to have consciousness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3389876&forum_id=2#31668707) |
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Date: October 18th, 2016 10:38 AM Author: Hairraiser Rambunctious Idiot Ladyboy suggest that Arnold is a reference to Matthew Arnold (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3389876&forum_id=2#31668669) |
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Date: October 18th, 2016 10:39 AM Author: Hairraiser Rambunctious Idiot Ladyboy "The word 'God' is used in most cases as by no means a term of science or exact knowledge, but a term of poetry and eloquence, a term thrown out, so to speak, as a not fully grasped object of the speaker's consciousness – a literary term, in short; and mankind mean different things by it as their consciousness differs." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3389876&forum_id=2#31668671) |
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Date: October 18th, 2016 12:45 PM Author: Hairraiser Rambunctious Idiot Ladyboy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3389876&forum_id=2#31669298) |
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Date: October 18th, 2016 1:12 PM Author: titillating federal hospital roommate Episode 10 is titled "The Bicameral Mind" and is 91 minutes long. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3389876&forum_id=2#31669503) |
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Date: October 18th, 2016 1:13 PM Author: nighttime theater stage nowag ohhhh shitttttt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3389876&forum_id=2#31669505) |
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Date: October 18th, 2016 8:11 PM Author: nighttime theater stage nowag (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3389876&forum_id=2#31673118) |
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Date: October 20th, 2016 6:17 PM Author: kink-friendly marvelous kitty lay Am I the only one who thought the picture was clearly an attempt to portray younger versions of Hopkins and Harris? Arnold being the MIB to me isn't a theory - I think it's obvious. But in reality I think the show could pull a Fight Club on us and MIB/Arnold doesn't actually exist. Turns out he's a figment of the hosts' nascent imaginations as the mental embodiment of their God talking to them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3389876&forum_id=2#31691413) |
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Date: October 20th, 2016 6:24 PM Author: kink-friendly marvelous kitty lay Other mindfuck: what if Hopkins is an android and Arnold is the real founder of Westworlld, but he also made himself the embodiment of the voice of God. So, Hopkins sees him as he journeys toward consciousness, but then Arnold "dies" from and accident when Hopkins achieves consciousness and no longer needs the bridge of the voice of god (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3389876&forum_id=2#31691475) |
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Date: October 20th, 2016 6:27 PM Author: nighttime theater stage nowag here's the photo: https://puu.sh/rPVYn/24c7637859.png
idk, i don't think it's obviously ed harris - it's possible but hardly seems like that's clearly the case
w/r/t to a fight club scenario: yeah, no way. |
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Date: October 20th, 2016 6:29 PM Author: kink-friendly marvelous kitty lay Yea they showed it quickly on screen and it looked more like him when only viewed for a few seconds. Could be him, but I agree not clear. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3389876&forum_id=2#31691510) |
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Date: October 20th, 2016 6:37 PM Author: Hairraiser Rambunctious Idiot Ladyboy the guy next to young Hopkins looks like WYATT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3389876&forum_id=2#31691602) |
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Date: October 20th, 2016 6:38 PM Author: Hairraiser Rambunctious Idiot Ladyboy https://i0.wp.com/media2.slashfilm.com/slashfilm/wp/wp-content/images/westworld-wyatt-700x352.jpg (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3389876&forum_id=2#31691608) |