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Are snow tires a huge GC scam?

I had expensive "snow tires" on my last car and di...
ivory useless brakes meetinghouse
  12/01/16
I was once able to drive a sedan w snow tires through 18 inc...
cowardly azn shrine
  12/01/16
CR If you ever do any mountain driving in the winter, yuo...
Bisexual Supple People Who Are Hurt
  12/01/16
My sedan is 4wd and visually the snow tires and summer tires...
ivory useless brakes meetinghouse
  12/01/16
I believe snow tires have deeper grooves so that they trap s...
cowardly azn shrine
  12/01/16
Im open minded
ivory useless brakes meetinghouse
  12/01/16
The big differences are the compound of the rubber and the n...
smoky ceo jewess
  12/01/16
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twisted den
  12/02/16
Don't forget studs. My winter tires have studs in them which...
bipolar multi-colored associate candlestick maker
  12/02/16
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vibrant chad therapy
  12/02/19
(Alaskan)
Racy milk
  12/01/16
Snow tires are a HUGE scam. Chains are not however.
Salmon sanctuary
  12/01/16
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Glittery friendly grandma
  12/01/16
Snow tires year round is 180. The performance in rain i...
smoky ceo jewess
  12/01/16
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Glittery friendly grandma
  12/01/16
Yeah bro...you do that....
Bisexual Supple People Who Are Hurt
  12/01/16
Yes. Also ok to drive at freeway speed with chains on. XOXO...
Razzle-dazzle hell
  12/02/16
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Salmon sanctuary
  12/02/16
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Glittery friendly grandma
  12/02/16
Living in a cold climate is a scam.
sapphire office
  12/01/16
It is very healthy for us. We are adapted to this environmen...
ivory useless brakes meetinghouse
  12/01/16
Humans don't "acclimate" to cold.
sapphire office
  12/01/16
Part of the reason why whites, esp northern western whites, ...
Bisexual Supple People Who Are Hurt
  12/01/16
Nutritionfacts.org/circadianrhythms
ivory useless brakes meetinghouse
  12/01/16
yes we do. we survived the ice age by killing animals for t...
free-loading galvanic set mental disorder
  12/02/19
Snow tires are 180 and work much better than regular tires a...
smoky ceo jewess
  12/01/16
CR
ocher irradiated pervert
  12/01/16
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vibrant chad therapy
  12/02/19
Chains + piano
Diverse cerise house idea he suggested
  12/01/16
Chains plus some traction aids (brake based traction control...
smoky ceo jewess
  12/01/16
Just do special Cole Trickle tires.
jet jap
  12/01/16
No bro they're 180
chestnut seedy pisswyrm temple
  12/02/16
No but snow in and of itself is.
erotic concupiscible brunch
  12/02/16
Not at all, especially if you drive in mountains
180 chocolate hominid trust fund
  12/02/16
Snow tires are not a scam, but ground clearance, FWD/4WD, an...
Razzle-dazzle hell
  12/02/16
I've lived in the northeast my whole life and have never hea...
free-loading galvanic set mental disorder
  12/02/16
Winter tires used to be way more common, but there were 3 ma...
Soul-stirring hospital
  12/02/16
cr on high efficiency tires. They use harder rubber compound...
Maize market
  12/02/19
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misunderstood rigpig cruise ship
  09/26/21
op: a shitlib from a pussyass warmweather state
Up-to-no-good locus hissy fit
  12/02/16
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vibrant chad therapy
  12/02/19
No. They make a huge difference in cold temps, even when the...
Maize market
  12/02/19
two comments, which kind of cut across each other: - wint...
Snowy thriller hall toilet seat
  09/26/21


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Date: December 1st, 2016 3:23 PM
Author: ivory useless brakes meetinghouse

I had expensive "snow tires" on my last car and didnt really notice a difference. They were still horrible on black ice. Supposedly studded tires are better on ice but bad in snow. Better off just keeping normal tires on?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32032818)



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Date: December 1st, 2016 3:30 PM
Author: cowardly azn shrine

I was once able to drive a sedan w snow tires through 18 inches of snow like it was a 4x4. They definitely make a difference.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32032883)



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Date: December 1st, 2016 3:30 PM
Author: Bisexual Supple People Who Are Hurt

CR

If you ever do any mountain driving in the winter, yuou'll realize that snow tires are 180

Sometimes you need snow tires AND chains though

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32032889)



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Date: December 1st, 2016 3:35 PM
Author: ivory useless brakes meetinghouse

My sedan is 4wd and visually the snow tires and summer tires look almost identical. I think its fraudlies

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32032926)



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Date: December 1st, 2016 3:39 PM
Author: cowardly azn shrine

I believe snow tires have deeper grooves so that they trap snow because snow-on-snow gives you better traction. But if you've already made up your mind then why make the thread at all?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32032972)



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Date: December 1st, 2016 3:44 PM
Author: ivory useless brakes meetinghouse

Im open minded

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32033008)



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Date: December 1st, 2016 3:45 PM
Author: smoky ceo jewess

The big differences are the compound of the rubber and the number of sipes (the little slits in the tread blocks). Good snows, blizzaks, Michelin alpines, Dunlop wintermax, all do much better than regular all seasons (which vary from ok to good in snow) but if you have summer tires, snow tires are a must have. Running in snow on performance tires is suicide.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32033022)



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Date: December 2nd, 2016 1:02 PM
Author: twisted den



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32039147)



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Date: December 2nd, 2016 1:02 PM
Author: bipolar multi-colored associate candlestick maker

Don't forget studs. My winter tires have studs in them which help a lot.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32039150)



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Date: December 2nd, 2019 1:46 PM
Author: vibrant chad therapy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#39202726)



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Date: December 1st, 2016 3:30 PM
Author: Racy milk

(Alaskan)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32032888)



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Date: December 1st, 2016 3:31 PM
Author: Salmon sanctuary

Snow tires are a HUGE scam. Chains are not however.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32032892)



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Date: December 1st, 2016 3:42 PM
Author: Glittery friendly grandma



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32032992)



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Date: December 1st, 2016 3:46 PM
Author: smoky ceo jewess

Snow tires year round is 180.

The performance in rain is great and all you are doing is giving up some treadlife.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32033030)



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Date: December 1st, 2016 3:48 PM
Author: Glittery friendly grandma



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32033051)



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Date: December 1st, 2016 3:51 PM
Author: Bisexual Supple People Who Are Hurt

Yeah bro...you do that....

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32033090)



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Date: December 2nd, 2016 1:06 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle hell

Yes. Also ok to drive at freeway speed with chains on. XOXOHTH

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32039177)



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Date: December 2nd, 2016 1:07 PM
Author: Salmon sanctuary



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32039190)



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Date: December 2nd, 2016 1:10 PM
Author: Glittery friendly grandma



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32039218)



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Date: December 1st, 2016 3:31 PM
Author: sapphire office

Living in a cold climate is a scam.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32032898)



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Date: December 1st, 2016 3:37 PM
Author: ivory useless brakes meetinghouse

It is very healthy for us. We are adapted to this environment and it is natural.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32032949)



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Date: December 1st, 2016 3:39 PM
Author: sapphire office

Humans don't "acclimate" to cold.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32032967)



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Date: December 1st, 2016 3:42 PM
Author: Bisexual Supple People Who Are Hurt

Part of the reason why whites, esp northern western whites, age so poorly in north america is because whites aren't meant to have so much sunlight..skin ends up wrinkly as shit by 40...given, most of it is due to shit genes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32032989)



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Date: December 1st, 2016 3:43 PM
Author: ivory useless brakes meetinghouse

Nutritionfacts.org/circadianrhythms

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32033004)



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Date: December 2nd, 2019 1:47 PM
Author: free-loading galvanic set mental disorder

yes we do. we survived the ice age by killing animals for their fur and also easting their meat because we aren't wasteful little shits

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#39202729)



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Date: December 1st, 2016 3:34 PM
Author: smoky ceo jewess

Snow tires are 180 and work much better than regular tires and infinitely better than sport summer tires or low rolling resistance tires (which are unsafe and should be banned).

Nothing short of chains or studded snows works on ice well, but snow tires can be the difference between life and death or making it up a hill or sliding off it.

They have also gotten much better i the last 5-10 years and now can last 30k or more.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32032922)



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Date: December 1st, 2016 3:38 PM
Author: ocher irradiated pervert

CR

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32032962)



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Date: December 2nd, 2019 1:31 PM
Author: vibrant chad therapy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#39202637)



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Date: December 1st, 2016 3:43 PM
Author: Diverse cerise house idea he suggested

Chains + piano

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32033006)



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Date: December 1st, 2016 3:47 PM
Author: smoky ceo jewess

Chains plus some traction aids (brake based traction control, limited slip, locking differentials).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32033043)



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Date: December 1st, 2016 3:47 PM
Author: jet jap

Just do special Cole Trickle tires.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32033038)



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Date: December 2nd, 2016 1:01 PM
Author: chestnut seedy pisswyrm temple

No bro they're 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32039135)



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Date: December 2nd, 2016 1:03 PM
Author: erotic concupiscible brunch

No but snow in and of itself is.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32039151)



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Date: December 2nd, 2016 1:04 PM
Author: 180 chocolate hominid trust fund

Not at all, especially if you drive in mountains

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32039158)



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Date: December 2nd, 2016 1:04 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle hell

Snow tires are not a scam, but ground clearance, FWD/4WD, and manual/automatic will all affect your ability to control your vehicle in snow/ice.

I've been impressed with Blizzak studless.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32039159)



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Date: December 2nd, 2016 1:10 PM
Author: free-loading galvanic set mental disorder

I've lived in the northeast my whole life and have never heard of having specific "snow tires" for the winter or whatever

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32039212)



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Date: December 2nd, 2016 1:48 PM
Author: Soul-stirring hospital

Winter tires used to be way more common, but there were 3 major things that have happened over the last few decades that led to their decline:

1) Many states banned studded tires because they were chewing up the pavement. People thought the studs were doing all the work, so when you couldn't get studded winter tires anymore, people stopped buying winter tires altogether (although as Drunkard pointed out above, the rubber compound is a huge factor in winter performance).

2) The shift from rear wheel drive to front wheel drive or AWD/4WD vehicles. Decades ago, most cars were RWD, and RWD can be just godawful in the snow. FWD is categorically better.

3) Advances in weather forecasting and snow removal techniques have left winter roads in better shape than they used to be.

I do think we might see increased use of winter tires in the future, ordinary all-season tires seem to be getting shittier and shittier in the snow in the quest to eek out better fuel economy. The stupid TPMS sensor regulations might hinder things though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32039496)



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Date: December 2nd, 2019 1:45 PM
Author: Maize market

cr on high efficiency tires. They use harder rubber compounds that get even harder in cold temps.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#39202720)



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Date: September 26th, 2021 1:57 PM
Author: misunderstood rigpig cruise ship



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Date: December 2nd, 2016 1:15 PM
Author: Up-to-no-good locus hissy fit

op: a shitlib from a pussyass warmweather state

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32039258)



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Date: December 2nd, 2019 1:26 PM
Author: vibrant chad therapy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#39202603)



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Date: December 2nd, 2019 1:44 PM
Author: Maize market

No. They make a huge difference in cold temps, even when there's no snow on the ground. Try driving on them and you will stick like glue to icy roads. Tradeoffs are weight and road noise.

Anyone claiming they are a scam has not driven on them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#39202715)



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Date: September 26th, 2021 2:03 PM
Author: Snowy thriller hall toilet seat

two comments, which kind of cut across each other:

- winter tires are, as many have posted here, not bullshit. they greatly improve your ability to drive in snowy or icy conditions, especially once the temperature drops below the threshold at which conventional rock salt tends to do anything...

- but the improvement in winter driving performance over a good quality all-season tire (michelin, contis, goodyear, pirelli) on a 4WD/AWD vehicle is pretty negligible, and holy shit do they last considerably shorter before they need to be replaced.

get winter tires if you:

- live in a relatively flat, snowy place and you have a sedan you intend to drive year round which is rear wheel drive, OR

- live in a mountainous snowy place, OR

- live anywhere which could snow and want to use performance tires in the summer

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#43180436)