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Are snow tires a huge GC scam?
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Date: December 1st, 2016 3:23 PM Author: chest-beating orange community account I had expensive "snow tires" on my last car and didnt really notice a difference. They were still horrible on black ice. Supposedly studded tires are better on ice but bad in snow. Better off just keeping normal tires on? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32032818) |
Date: December 1st, 2016 3:30 PM Author: histrionic pistol lay I was once able to drive a sedan w snow tires through 18 inches of snow like it was a 4x4. They definitely make a difference. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32032883) |
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Date: December 1st, 2016 3:30 PM Author: hairless stirring personal credit line CR
If you ever do any mountain driving in the winter, yuou'll realize that snow tires are 180
Sometimes you need snow tires AND chains though |
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Date: December 1st, 2016 3:35 PM Author: chest-beating orange community account My sedan is 4wd and visually the snow tires and summer tires look almost identical. I think its fraudlies (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32032926) |
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Date: December 1st, 2016 3:39 PM Author: histrionic pistol lay I believe snow tires have deeper grooves so that they trap snow because snow-on-snow gives you better traction. But if you've already made up your mind then why make the thread at all? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32032972) |
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Date: December 1st, 2016 3:44 PM Author: chest-beating orange community account Im open minded (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32033008) |
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Date: December 1st, 2016 3:45 PM Author: Carnelian Chapel The big differences are the compound of the rubber and the number of sipes (the little slits in the tread blocks). Good snows, blizzaks, Michelin alpines, Dunlop wintermax, all do much better than regular all seasons (which vary from ok to good in snow) but if you have summer tires, snow tires are a must have. Running in snow on performance tires is suicide. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32033022) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2016 1:02 PM Author: Greedy Flickering Spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32039147) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2016 1:02 PM Author: mauve twinkling uncleanness Don't forget studs. My winter tires have studs in them which help a lot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32039150) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 1:46 PM Author: overrated stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#39202726) |
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Date: December 1st, 2016 3:30 PM Author: Multi-colored Hideous Goyim Kitty Cat (Alaskan) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32032888) |
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Date: December 1st, 2016 3:31 PM Author: Dull Unhinged Plaza Snow tires are a HUGE scam. Chains are not however. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32032892) |
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Date: December 1st, 2016 3:42 PM Author: ruby famous landscape painting hunting ground (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32032992) |
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Date: December 1st, 2016 3:46 PM Author: Carnelian Chapel Snow tires year round is 180.
The performance in rain is great and all you are doing is giving up some treadlife. |
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Date: December 1st, 2016 3:48 PM Author: ruby famous landscape painting hunting ground (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32033051) |
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Date: December 1st, 2016 3:51 PM Author: hairless stirring personal credit line Yeah bro...you do that.... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32033090) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2016 1:06 PM Author: mind-boggling bat-shit-crazy cruise ship Yes. Also ok to drive at freeway speed with chains on. XOXOHTH (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32039177) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2016 1:07 PM Author: Dull Unhinged Plaza (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32039190) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2016 1:10 PM Author: ruby famous landscape painting hunting ground (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32039218) |
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Date: December 1st, 2016 3:31 PM Author: spruce 180 toilet seat Living in a cold climate is a scam. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32032898) |
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Date: December 1st, 2016 3:37 PM Author: chest-beating orange community account It is very healthy for us. We are adapted to this environment and it is natural. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32032949) |
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Date: December 1st, 2016 3:39 PM Author: spruce 180 toilet seat Humans don't "acclimate" to cold. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32032967) |
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Date: December 1st, 2016 3:42 PM Author: hairless stirring personal credit line Part of the reason why whites, esp northern western whites, age so poorly in north america is because whites aren't meant to have so much sunlight..skin ends up wrinkly as shit by 40...given, most of it is due to shit genes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32032989) |
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Date: December 1st, 2016 3:43 PM Author: chest-beating orange community account Nutritionfacts.org/circadianrhythms (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32033004) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 1:47 PM Author: abnormal shaky really tough guy yes we do. we survived the ice age by killing animals for their fur and also easting their meat because we aren't wasteful little shits (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#39202729) |
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Date: December 1st, 2016 3:34 PM Author: Carnelian Chapel Snow tires are 180 and work much better than regular tires and infinitely better than sport summer tires or low rolling resistance tires (which are unsafe and should be banned).
Nothing short of chains or studded snows works on ice well, but snow tires can be the difference between life and death or making it up a hill or sliding off it.
They have also gotten much better i the last 5-10 years and now can last 30k or more. |
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Date: December 1st, 2016 3:38 PM Author: Honey-headed School Cafeteria CR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32032962) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 1:31 PM Author: overrated stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#39202637) |
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Date: December 1st, 2016 3:43 PM Author: clear painfully honest theater Chains + piano (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32033006) |
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Date: December 1st, 2016 3:47 PM Author: Carnelian Chapel Chains plus some traction aids (brake based traction control, limited slip, locking differentials). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32033043) |
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Date: December 1st, 2016 3:47 PM Author: costumed ruddy principal's office Just do special Cole Trickle tires. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32033038) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2016 1:01 PM Author: stubborn wrinkle cuckoldry No bro they're 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32039135) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2016 1:03 PM Author: amethyst property dysfunction No but snow in and of itself is. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32039151) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2016 1:04 PM Author: transparent electric son of senegal boistinker Not at all, especially if you drive in mountains (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32039158) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2016 1:04 PM Author: mind-boggling bat-shit-crazy cruise ship Snow tires are not a scam, but ground clearance, FWD/4WD, and manual/automatic will all affect your ability to control your vehicle in snow/ice.
I've been impressed with Blizzak studless. |
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Date: December 2nd, 2016 1:10 PM Author: abnormal shaky really tough guy I've lived in the northeast my whole life and have never heard of having specific "snow tires" for the winter or whatever (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32039212) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2016 1:48 PM Author: learning disabled brunch Winter tires used to be way more common, but there were 3 major things that have happened over the last few decades that led to their decline:
1) Many states banned studded tires because they were chewing up the pavement. People thought the studs were doing all the work, so when you couldn't get studded winter tires anymore, people stopped buying winter tires altogether (although as Drunkard pointed out above, the rubber compound is a huge factor in winter performance).
2) The shift from rear wheel drive to front wheel drive or AWD/4WD vehicles. Decades ago, most cars were RWD, and RWD can be just godawful in the snow. FWD is categorically better.
3) Advances in weather forecasting and snow removal techniques have left winter roads in better shape than they used to be.
I do think we might see increased use of winter tires in the future, ordinary all-season tires seem to be getting shittier and shittier in the snow in the quest to eek out better fuel economy. The stupid TPMS sensor regulations might hinder things though. |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 1:45 PM Author: buck-toothed roast beef mood cr on high efficiency tires. They use harder rubber compounds that get even harder in cold temps. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#39202720) |
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Date: September 26th, 2021 1:57 PM Author: provocative persian (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#43180404) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2016 1:15 PM Author: Bright dashing kitchen factory reset button op: a shitlib from a pussyass warmweather state (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#32039258) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 1:26 PM Author: overrated stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3446095&forum_id=2#39202603) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 1:44 PM Author: buck-toothed roast beef mood No. They make a huge difference in cold temps, even when there's no snow on the ground. Try driving on them and you will stick like glue to icy roads. Tradeoffs are weight and road noise.
Anyone claiming they are a scam has not driven on them. |
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Date: September 26th, 2021 2:03 PM Author: mustard talented sound barrier two comments, which kind of cut across each other:
- winter tires are, as many have posted here, not bullshit. they greatly improve your ability to drive in snowy or icy conditions, especially once the temperature drops below the threshold at which conventional rock salt tends to do anything...
- but the improvement in winter driving performance over a good quality all-season tire (michelin, contis, goodyear, pirelli) on a 4WD/AWD vehicle is pretty negligible, and holy shit do they last considerably shorter before they need to be replaced.
get winter tires if you: - live in a relatively flat, snowy place and you have a sedan you intend to drive year round which is rear wheel drive, OR - live in a mountainous snowy place, OR - live anywhere which could snow and want to use performance tires in the summer |