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How competitive is AUSA in 'shit' locations?
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Date: December 3rd, 2016 5:14 AM Author: transparent frozen liquid oxygen state Not talking NY/CA/DC/etc. obviously. How about the TRUMP nation aka rural america? Looking for cheap COA, family-friendly, 'pillar of the community' types of places. How hard to cop those? TYIA. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3447686&forum_id=2#32044735) |
Date: December 3rd, 2016 5:14 AM Author: Appetizing pale parlour boiling water Very. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3447686&forum_id=2#32044736) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2016 5:15 AM Author: transparent frozen liquid oxygen state Fuck. I know those gigs are tough as hell to get in hot locations in metropolitan areas, but 'middle of nowhere' positions too? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3447686&forum_id=2#32044737) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2016 5:21 AM Author: Appetizing pale parlour boiling water It's no cakewalk. Easier than sdny obv. Lots of people have had ur idea. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3447686&forum_id=2#32044743) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2016 10:16 AM Author: aromatic nofapping party of the first part skinny woman It's not difficult if you have (1) either good credentials or experience, (2) a deep-rooted connection to the community, and (3) the patience to apply more than once while living in the community.
THat sounds weird, but for the competitive offices, I would say the above gives you no more than a coin flip shot. But I would be fairly confident of my ability to get into an are-country office with those three.
-AUSA in a district that's neither big city nor are country. FWIW my office is about half HYS grads. But plenty of non-clerkship, non top-firm lawyers who were from area or who got trial experience.
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Date: December 3rd, 2016 10:35 AM Author: heady blue theatre (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3447686&forum_id=2#32045285) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2016 10:23 AM Author: Hairraiser Stain no one has ever thought of this before, so you should get in as soon as you apply (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3447686&forum_id=2#32045254) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2016 3:36 PM Author: flickering multi-billionaire what about difficulty in applying to the criminal division in main justice? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3447686&forum_id=2#32047190) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2016 3:38 PM Author: sepia public bath bbw very competitive, like V10ish competitive.
if you are a minority or a veteran, disregard. you will get in everywhere you apply. |
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Date: December 3rd, 2016 3:39 PM Author: disgusting hyperactive black woman Is there really a vet bump for DOJ? I know its exempted so you don't actually get "points" or whatever (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3447686&forum_id=2#32047210) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2016 3:53 PM Author: sepia public bath bbw massive, massive bump. on par with being a black or native american female. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3447686&forum_id=2#32047290) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2016 3:54 PM Author: disgusting hyperactive black woman fuck, maybe I should have gone for shitigation (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3447686&forum_id=2#32047295) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2016 3:58 PM Author: sepia public bath bbw AUSA is a trap for most T14 dipshits anyway. you're not likely a really good trial lawyer or a good 'investigative' mind that knows how to build a case. most people who take a AUSA job for the prestige or stepping stone value end up being fucking awful at it and don't do much save for tread water for a few years.
if you want to try to weasel into a better associate role in the future, you're way better off trying to go fed at a regulatory agency of some sort. SEC is the obvious one, but you'll find those jobs are even more competitive than the DOJ. |
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Date: December 3rd, 2016 3:59 PM Author: disgusting hyperactive black woman I'm not even sure what kind of bigfed jobs a cap markets associate would be qualified for anyway (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3447686&forum_id=2#32047332) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2016 4:02 PM Author: sepia public bath bbw you're qualified for most of them. whether or not you can get hired or they'll do anything for you in the long run is a whole different question.
as a cap markets paper-pushing bitch, you're actually well prepped for most federal agency roles. most of those jobs are basically pseudo-legal practice at best. jobs like AUSA or working of the US trustee actually require lawyer skills, trial ability, and other stuff that makes you an attorney. cap market document jerk-off stuff grooms you for the redundant bureaucracy of government work. |
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Date: December 3rd, 2016 4:04 PM Author: disgusting hyperactive black woman Sweet. I'll do my time in biglaw and see if I can cop dat vet bump in a few years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3447686&forum_id=2#32047361) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2016 4:06 PM Author: sepia public bath bbw you can cop it right now if you have it. better to do your fed gig stuff early on then lateral. you won't be a better hire for any agency because you sat around arranging commas and signature blocks for dan dicksucker, jr. deal partner esquire. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3447686&forum_id=2#32047375) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2016 4:09 PM Author: disgusting hyperactive black woman Haha. Well I'm still a 3L, but I guess I could start crafting a wicked usajobs profile. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3447686&forum_id=2#32047398) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2016 4:12 PM Author: sepia public bath bbw if you are a vet you can get a non-coastal AUSA job with a 3.25+ GPA and a T20 degree, you just won't have unlimited ability to choose where you work.
lol at ever expecting anything to come of usajobs if you're not a vet or a minority. you're better off cold calling i.e. don't bother. |
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Date: December 3rd, 2016 4:14 PM Author: disgusting hyperactive black woman Yeah I was fucking around, I've heard usajerbs is sps. I'm a median T14mo, so maybe ill give it a shot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3447686&forum_id=2#32047442) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2016 4:02 PM Author: onyx godawful institution You defintely get more and better experience as a crim AUSA than as a SEC enforcement counsel. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3447686&forum_id=2#32047345) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2016 4:03 PM Author: sepia public bath bbw aren't you still in law school?
and i didn't say AUSA is not good experience. what i said is that most people who have the right resume for it are not actually cut out for the role and don't do much with it.
like 5-10% at most of law students at decent schools have the ability to become good courtroom litigators. |
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Date: December 3rd, 2016 4:07 PM Author: disrespectful university He is an Asian 3L and most likely a high-functioning autist. His only recognizable trait as a poster is the endless need to speak directly out of his ass about things he doesn't understand. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3447686&forum_id=2#32047385) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2016 4:14 PM Author: onyx godawful institution who is this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3447686&forum_id=2#32047439) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2016 4:13 PM Author: onyx godawful institution Right, you qualified your assertion with whether one wants to weasel one's way back into a large firm.
Even so, as an AUSA you get all the experience of a SEC enf cos, and a lot more. SEC ajudications and trials are handled by special counsel. |
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Date: December 3rd, 2016 5:16 PM Author: disrespectful university You genuinely have no idea what you are talking about. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3447686&forum_id=2#32047892) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2016 5:23 PM Author: violent charcoal stead That guy is a confirmed retard. Bored weirdo who posts several hundred times a day, every day. Literally just makes shit up to wile away the hours. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3447686&forum_id=2#32047939) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2016 4:05 PM Author: Appetizing pale parlour boiling water Another good way to weasel into a better associate role is just to practice interviewing a bunch and go on a lot of interviews. I've seen ppl go from v100 to v5 via this route. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3447686&forum_id=2#32047370) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2016 4:06 PM Author: Appetizing pale parlour boiling water Even "top flight" trial lawyers tend to be laughably bad. This profession is such a circlejerk. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3447686&forum_id=2#32047382) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2016 4:13 PM Author: sepia public bath bbw awesome and informative comment, really added a lot.
lawyers suck, it's all fraud and lies!
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Date: December 3rd, 2016 4:15 PM Author: Appetizing pale parlour boiling water *gives you a hug* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3447686&forum_id=2#32047448) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2016 4:03 PM Author: cobalt stimulating indian lodge Very (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3447686&forum_id=2#32047353) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2016 5:24 PM Author: violent charcoal stead Extremely competitive. And unlike biglaw they tend to somewhat care if you have the ability to one day become a functional attorney. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3447686&forum_id=2#32047945) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2016 5:37 PM Author: geriatric curious church building mad-dog skullcap Impossible Most of those jobs go to local people with connections |
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Date: December 3rd, 2016 5:39 PM Author: charismatic apoplectic faggot firefighter pistol harvard shits out like 500 grads/year and the sc has what 36 clerks every year. youre fucked. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3447686&forum_id=2#32048068) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2016 6:40 PM Author: transparent frozen liquid oxygen state ok, so what are some 'less competitive' gov gigs anyway? SEC is tough, AUSA is tough, DOJ is tough. Shit, what the hell is left? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3447686&forum_id=2#32048425) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2016 6:44 PM Author: geriatric curious church building mad-dog skullcap Nothing that will get you any kind of cr experience Try state prosecutor Some jurisdictions pay similar to AUSA and you get to actually try cases |
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Date: December 3rd, 2016 6:53 PM Author: racy casino prole EPA (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3447686&forum_id=2#32048484) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2016 6:54 PM Author: razzle indecent school cafeteria EEOC (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3447686&forum_id=2#32048486) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2016 8:12 PM Author: geriatric curious church building mad-dog skullcap Horrifying (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3447686&forum_id=2#32049020) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2016 9:06 PM Author: razzle indecent school cafeteria can't be that competitive tho (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3447686&forum_id=2#32049364) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2016 9:05 PM Author: awkward aphrodisiac principal's office nowag FERC, EPA and FDA are all known to be good places for lawyers. Their regulatory focus also means there are some OK exit options to the private sector to include lobbying/policy jobs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3447686&forum_id=2#32049358) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2016 9:20 PM Author: geriatric curious church building mad-dog skullcap All hyper competitive and DC based. Probably like STEM backgrounds too (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3447686&forum_id=2#32049458) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2016 9:22 PM Author: awkward aphrodisiac principal's office nowag FERC is definitely not that competitive, EPA is slightly more. FDA is a crap shoot I guess.
None require any sort of technical background.
Also, there are EPA legal positions located outside DC at the various regional and district offices.
FDA lawyers can do a rotation in Brussels I think.
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Date: December 3rd, 2016 9:26 PM Author: transparent frozen liquid oxygen state (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3447686&forum_id=2#32049512) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2016 9:42 PM Author: geriatric curious church building mad-dog skullcap You're delusional (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3447686&forum_id=2#32049639) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2016 9:21 PM Author: racy casino prole what about those secret military tribunals (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3447686&forum_id=2#32049469) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2016 9:23 PM Author: awkward aphrodisiac principal's office nowag Those are all handled by military lawyers.
Go JAG, do 5-7 years, then request duty at GITMO.
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Date: December 3rd, 2016 9:04 PM Author: awkward aphrodisiac principal's office nowag I knew a guy who worked in a prestigious district who was desperate to get out and work in a lower COL flyover district. He had like 5-6 years experience as an AUSA, plus a couple of years of V10 biglaw and a pretty prestigious federal clerkship. Even with all those credentials he had to interview in like 7-8 different districts before he could lateral. Most districts outside major metro areas are usually pretty small and have infrequent openings (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3447686&forum_id=2#32049344) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2016 9:52 PM Author: transparent frozen liquid oxygen state Interesting. If my end goal is gov, does it make more sense to do a stint at a firm first OR do JAG then try to cop one of these gigs? Did some research, and it seems like JAG won't get you real practical skills for the private sector, which is fine as long as I can transfer to gov. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3447686&forum_id=2#32049736) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2016 9:54 PM Author: razzle indecent school cafeteria Seems JAG would get you courtroom skills that would be transferable to AUSA> (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3447686&forum_id=2#32049747) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2016 10:05 PM Author: awkward aphrodisiac principal's office nowag JAG would at least give you hiring preference for any other federal job.
I think JAG to AUSA isn't uncommon.
The best deal is probably doing 20 years on AD, copping dat military pension and then getting hired as a GS-15 civilian.
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Date: December 3rd, 2016 10:34 PM Author: nighttime circlehead Here's a problem I confronted: LA/NY/Chi have constant turnover because the exit options are great and government pay doesn't cover much more than rent in those places. In Kansas, AUSAs might be some of the highest paid lawyers in town, there are no exit options, and the salary easily covers an extravagant Kansas lifestyle. So no one ever leaves. I landed SDNY/CDCA level interviews (but no offers). I couldn't land an interview at my home town USAO. They called and were like "yo like 3 years ago we basically told the guy we hired that we'd give home the next position that opens. Better luck next time." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3447686&forum_id=2#32050007) |