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If BIGFED is so great, why don't more people do it?

It's always firm --> in-house from what I gather. So what...
7L
  12/17/16
Hai. Lots of D.C. peeps go firm -> bigfed. It's not a...
Cock McStuffins
  12/17/16
So how can i help myself? What are some good practice areas ...
7L
  12/17/16
Best way is to work for a partner with bigfed experience who...
Cock McStuffins
  12/17/16
how big is the vet preference for attorney positions? from w...
7L
  12/17/16
No vet preference for SES positions, which I assume is what ...
.,.,...,..,..,.,:,,:,,..,:::,.,.,:,.,.:..:.,:.::,,
  12/17/16
show your work
{(o)}
  12/17/16
i don't know dude, i'm only 2L. my buddies who were lucky en...
7L
  12/17/16
what about your buddies who got the best jobs (clerkships) a...
{(o)}
  12/17/16
kinda split. some waltz into firm jobs. some take DOJ and so...
7L
  12/17/16
DOJ doesn't necessarily take a ton of new attorneys in all s...
Benevolent Screed
  12/17/16
To be fair about 2 million people do it
'''''"'''''
  12/17/16
Uhhh, BigFed at the "prestigious" agencies is high...
Benevolent Screed
  12/17/16
i'm talking in general. of course DOJ/SEC and whatnot are ve...
7L
  12/17/16
As many people are doing it as is possible. There's a hard c...
"'"''"''
  12/17/16
It's awful
Peterman
  12/17/16
bigfed jobs, even at non "prestigious" agencies ar...
zurichisstained
  12/17/16
interesting to see how trump admin. will impact this. what i...
7L
  12/17/16
doubtful. i've been hearing about agencywide hiring freezes
zurichisstained
  12/17/16
Cr
(*v*)
  12/18/16
I went from firm to big fed. Shit is 180. Literally do jack ...
Paddington Bear
  12/17/16
How's you get it? D.C.?
"'"''"''
  12/17/16
Yes. Just applied. No connections at all. Prestigious agency...
Paddington Bear
  12/17/16
Wtf. T14 + clerkship?
"'"''"''
  12/17/16
Yup.
Paddington Bear
  12/17/16
What associate year did you jump?
"'"''"''
  12/17/16
5th yr. to be honest, i was miserable at BIG FED the first f...
Paddington Bear
  12/17/16
It's a good place for a biglaw refugee but if it's your firs...
Peterman
  12/17/16
Holy shit shut the fuck up
"'"''"''
  12/17/16
...
No Country for Young Men
  12/17/16
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borders
  12/17/16
Maybe but most people are gas 14/15 by age 30
Paddington Bear
  12/17/16
But what about that pension?
7L
  12/17/16
Correct, and that's me, perpetually annoyed that I never got...
,,.,.,...,,,.,.,.,...,,,.,.,
  12/17/16
Lol at this. You got off work at 5 or 6 pm every single day ...
"'"''"''
  12/17/16
3x wk telework too Rumors are we're going to 4x wk soon
,,.,.,...,,,.,.,.,...,,,.,.,
  12/17/16
Leave st 5 or 6pm? LOL, im out the fucking door at 4:45 bro.
Paddington Bear
  12/17/16
My agency makes you "sign in" for 8 hrs. I use a m...
,,.,.,...,,,.,.,.,...,,,.,.,
  12/17/16
gotta keep dat LYNC green! I als block off ridiculous amoun...
Paddington Bear
  12/17/16
I feel you. Friends that are still there are trying to gtfo ...
Peterman
  12/17/16
tbf there's a lot to not like getting in is an opaque se...
Don Kihote
  12/17/16
...
,,.,.,...,,,.,.,.,...,,,.,.,
  12/17/16
How does it feel to know you're the reason America is shit n...
CharlesXII
  12/17/16
Not bad. It's not like if I left the job would go away. The ...
Paddington Bear
  12/17/16
JFC what a use of tax dollars - swamp needs to be DRAINED
borders
  12/17/16
Yeah, its a total joke but Trump isnt going to do shit about...
Paddington Bear
  12/17/16
Is it going to be impossible to get BIG FED now? I interview...
DeBlasio's New York
  12/17/16
who knows. I think the gravy train is elaving the station fo...
Paddington Bear
  12/17/16
Wait and see DOJ may be somewhat exempt from hiring freezes...
,,.,.,...,,,.,.,.,...,,,.,.,
  12/17/16
There is probably a soft freeze until the transition. Right...
Benevolent Screed
  12/17/16
If you want to make money, in house is a much better option ...
Nicholas Van Orton
  12/17/16
as far as DOJ: right now they are trying to hire as much as...
Harvey Spector
  12/17/16
it's shit. prole losers from xo are impressed by $120k salar...
Dux
  12/17/16
Yeah, pRole shitheads living on 260k HHI spending time with ...
DeBlasio's New York
  12/18/16
They make 120k doing nothing and teleworking....count me in ...
(*v*)
  12/18/16
Bigfed lawyers are actually some of the most underpaid peopl...
,,.,.,...,,,.,.,.,...,,,.,.,
  12/18/16


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Date: December 17th, 2016 9:24 AM
Author: 7L

It's always firm --> in-house from what I gather. So what am I missing? Any fed/state bros here?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463183&forum_id=2#32163718)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 9:31 AM
Author: Cock McStuffins

Hai.

Lots of D.C. peeps go firm -> bigfed.

It's not as easy to get a job as you might think tho.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463183&forum_id=2#32163742)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 9:33 AM
Author: 7L

So how can i help myself? What are some good practice areas to make that switch? Currently slated for corporate or government contracts.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463183&forum_id=2#32163748)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 9:41 AM
Author: Cock McStuffins

Best way is to work for a partner with bigfed experience who still has contacts.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463183&forum_id=2#32163780)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 9:42 AM
Author: 7L

how big is the vet preference for attorney positions? from what i gather, it's not as big a factor for attorney hiring. also, how common is attorneys making jump into non-attorney positions?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463183&forum_id=2#32163782)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 10:12 AM
Author: .,.,...,..,..,.,:,,:,,..,:::,.,.,:,.,.:..:.,:.::,,


No vet preference for SES positions, which I assume is what you'd. E interested in

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463183&forum_id=2#32163951)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 9:33 AM
Author: {(o)} (vagmo)

show your work

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463183&forum_id=2#32163750)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 9:37 AM
Author: 7L

i don't know dude, i'm only 2L. my buddies who were lucky enough to cop SA seem to have this biglaw --> in-house mindset. and most lawyers i know in firms are looking to phase out to in-house at this point.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463183&forum_id=2#32163762)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 9:48 AM
Author: {(o)} (vagmo)

what about your buddies who got the best jobs (clerkships) and not second tier jobs (biglol)?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463183&forum_id=2#32163804)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 9:51 AM
Author: 7L

kinda split. some waltz into firm jobs. some take DOJ and some other highly competitive stuff.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463183&forum_id=2#32163813)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 11:00 AM
Author: Benevolent Screed

DOJ doesn't necessarily take a ton of new attorneys in all sections. A bunch of people lateral

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463183&forum_id=2#32164287)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 9:34 AM
Author: '''''"'''''

To be fair about 2 million people do it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463183&forum_id=2#32163755)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 9:45 AM
Author: Benevolent Screed

Uhhh, BigFed at the "prestigious" agencies is highly competitive.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463183&forum_id=2#32163795)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 9:48 AM
Author: 7L

i'm talking in general. of course DOJ/SEC and whatnot are very competitive.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463183&forum_id=2#32163803)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 9:57 AM
Author: "'"''"''

As many people are doing it as is possible. There's a hard cap on the number of fed jobs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463183&forum_id=2#32163839)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 9:58 AM
Author: Peterman

It's awful

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463183&forum_id=2#32163842)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 10:11 AM
Author: zurichisstained

bigfed jobs, even at non "prestigious" agencies are hard as shit to get. it's probably going to get a lot worse under trump because he's draining the swamp.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463183&forum_id=2#32163939)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 10:12 AM
Author: 7L

interesting to see how trump admin. will impact this. what if i'm willing to relocate to country-side, whatever? doesn't have to be DC-centric. does that change the equation?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463183&forum_id=2#32163949)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 11:10 AM
Author: zurichisstained

doubtful. i've been hearing about agencywide hiring freezes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463183&forum_id=2#32164360)



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Date: December 18th, 2016 11:00 AM
Author: (*v*)

Cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463183&forum_id=2#32171291)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 10:58 AM
Author: Paddington Bear

I went from firm to big fed. Shit is 180. Literally do jack shit all day, 2 hour lunch, afternoon run, etc on payroll. GS-15.

A few gunners are really unhappy here because of "the red tape" and how long it takes to actually accomplish things. I dont understand them. We get paid like 145k a year to play on the internet and return a few phone calls from time to time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463183&forum_id=2#32164268)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 10:58 AM
Author: "'"''"''

How's you get it? D.C.?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463183&forum_id=2#32164270)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 10:59 AM
Author: Paddington Bear

Yes. Just applied. No connections at all. Prestigious agency too. Lol @ taxpayers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463183&forum_id=2#32164274)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 11:00 AM
Author: "'"''"''

Wtf. T14 + clerkship?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463183&forum_id=2#32164284)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 11:01 AM
Author: Paddington Bear

Yup.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463183&forum_id=2#32164292)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 11:01 AM
Author: "'"''"''

What associate year did you jump?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463183&forum_id=2#32164294)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 11:06 AM
Author: Paddington Bear

5th yr. to be honest, i was miserable at BIG FED the first few months because i was gunnerish and was annoyed everything took months to accomplish and i had no work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463183&forum_id=2#32164327)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 11:08 AM
Author: Peterman

It's a good place for a biglaw refugee but if it's your first job and you have no savings and are making like 60k it's awful

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463183&forum_id=2#32164344)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 11:09 AM
Author: "'"''"''

Holy shit shut the fuck up

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463183&forum_id=2#32164351)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 12:53 PM
Author: No Country for Young Men



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463183&forum_id=2#32165079)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 3:17 PM
Author: borders (Padre)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463183&forum_id=2#32165996)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 11:10 AM
Author: Paddington Bear

Maybe but most people are gas 14/15 by age 30

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463183&forum_id=2#32164359)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 11:24 AM
Author: 7L

But what about that pension?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463183&forum_id=2#32164425)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 11:27 AM
Author: ,,.,.,...,,,.,.,.,...,,,.,.,


Correct, and that's me, perpetually annoyed that I never got to make any real money

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463183&forum_id=2#32164445)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 11:28 AM
Author: "'"''"''

Lol at this. You got off work at 5 or 6 pm every single day plus a pension - you already got a fantastic deal so quit whining.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463183&forum_id=2#32164469)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 11:31 AM
Author: ,,.,.,...,,,.,.,.,...,,,.,.,


3x wk telework too

Rumors are we're going to 4x wk soon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463183&forum_id=2#32164490)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 11:35 AM
Author: Paddington Bear

Leave st 5 or 6pm? LOL, im out the fucking door at 4:45 bro.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463183&forum_id=2#32164513)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 11:36 AM
Author: ,,.,.,...,,,.,.,.,...,,,.,.,


My agency makes you "sign in" for 8 hrs. I use a mouse jiggler though that makes my laptop look 'active' all day while I'm teleworking

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463183&forum_id=2#32164520)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 12:50 PM
Author: Paddington Bear

gotta keep dat LYNC green! I als block off ridiculous amounts of time so it looks like im "busy" all day, when in reality im managing my fantasy football team.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463183&forum_id=2#32165064)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 11:38 AM
Author: Peterman

I feel you. Friends that are still there are trying to gtfo

One is like 33 and learning to code

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463183&forum_id=2#32164527)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 11:42 AM
Author: Don Kihote

tbf there's a lot to not like

getting in is an opaque seemingly random process

promotion often seems random too, favoritism is rampant , the amount of paperwork, you're basically being groomed to be a mid level bureaucrat

if you have any sort of work ethic it can feel like a scam and kind of a dead end

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463183&forum_id=2#32164585)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 11:45 AM
Author: ,,.,.,...,,,.,.,.,...,,,.,.,




(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463183&forum_id=2#32164615)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 1:58 PM
Author: CharlesXII (CharlesXII)

How does it feel to know you're the reason America is shit now?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463183&forum_id=2#32165441)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 3:05 PM
Author: Paddington Bear

Not bad. It's not like if I left the job would go away. The federal govt seems to want people to work here, so it might as well be me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463183&forum_id=2#32165902)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 3:16 PM
Author: borders (Padre)

JFC what a use of tax dollars - swamp needs to be DRAINED

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463183&forum_id=2#32165989)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 3:30 PM
Author: Paddington Bear

Yeah, its a total joke but Trump isnt going to do shit about it. Presidents rise and fall but the covil service remains. Long live the Merit Systems Protection Board

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463183&forum_id=2#32166115)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 11:22 AM
Author: DeBlasio's New York

Is it going to be impossible to get BIG FED now? I interviewed with DOJ the week before the election and haven't heard anything

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463183&forum_id=2#32164416)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 11:27 AM
Author: Paddington Bear

who knows. I think the gravy train is elaving the station for now, but we will see. Fortunately ARE president elect wants to my agency to do as little as possible so i will have even less work to do. Super excited for baseball season now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463183&forum_id=2#32164456)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 11:27 AM
Author: ,,.,.,...,,,.,.,.,...,,,.,.,


Wait and see

DOJ may be somewhat exempt from hiring freezes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463183&forum_id=2#32164457)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 11:28 AM
Author: Benevolent Screed

There is probably a soft freeze until the transition. Right now they literally have no idea what Trump's initiatives are (Trump doesn't either).

When Hillary was the "likely" candidate, you could have expected things to operate essentially status quo. She would have come up with some new shitlib initiatives, maybe created a new joint task force or some shit, but by and large, she would have continued the Obama DOJ.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463183&forum_id=2#32164467)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 1:02 PM
Author: Nicholas Van Orton

If you want to make money, in house is a much better option than bigfed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463183&forum_id=2#32165126)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 1:56 PM
Author: Harvey Spector

as far as DOJ:

right now they are trying to hire as much as possible due to the hiring freeze that they strongly feel will happen. Filling all vacant spots on their roster to make sure they will have people for the freeze but also to signal to the administration that they need these spots so they wont get cut in the future.

However, while the job posts are distributed to the public, they are really looking to hire people already in the Federal System because they can onboard them before Trump can institute the freeze.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463183&forum_id=2#32165431)



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Date: December 17th, 2016 2:39 PM
Author: Dux (Dux)

it's shit. prole losers from xo are impressed by $120k salaries and love it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463183&forum_id=2#32165661)



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Date: December 18th, 2016 10:58 AM
Author: DeBlasio's New York

Yeah, pRole shitheads living on 260k HHI spending time with their families and friends instead of making it rain.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463183&forum_id=2#32171284)



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Date: December 18th, 2016 11:03 AM
Author: (*v*)

They make 120k doing nothing and teleworking....count me in

If I can't get it, drain the fucking swamp!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463183&forum_id=2#32171303)



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Date: December 18th, 2016 11:10 AM
Author: ,,.,.,...,,,.,.,.,...,,,.,.,


Bigfed lawyers are actually some of the most underpaid people in fed govt based on their education levels

The disgusting thing about bigfed are all the GED Shanqiuas who are GS 15 level 'policy' idiots. That's the "swamp" that needs to be drained.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3463183&forum_id=2#32171337)