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there is a pareto distribution to the effectiveness of healthy lifestyle choices

1. maintaining a healthy body weight gets you the vast major...
Abbot Saxtus (retired)
  01/02/17
Enjoy heart attacks, stoke and dementia at 60-70 Atherosc...
theology is great
  01/02/17
you really think that if you maintain a healthy weight, don'...
Abbot Saxtus (retired)
  01/02/17
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...........,...,....,.,.
  01/02/17
You can maintain a healthy weight and have 185 ldl. Exercise...
theology is great
  01/02/17
Heart attacks come from: 1. Obesity 2. Family history M...
HoldUpHoldUpWhat
  01/02/17
bad diets run in families. it's not genes.
:D
  01/02/17
agree that there is very much a pareto distribution, but bei...
nescac
  01/02/17
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(\/)(;,,;)(\/)
  01/02/17
it's not that they miss it, it's that 1 and 2 are, by far, t...
xo kav
  01/02/17
Also 1 is pretty sensitive to genes
xo kav
  01/02/17
flame
nescac
  01/02/17
1 is pretty sensitive to calories in. your body can't perfor...
Abbot Saxtus (retired)
  01/02/17
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NudeTateDillow
  01/02/17
So if I eat a really bad fast-food diet -- but maintain a lo...
2 Front Doors
  01/02/17
Depends if you're cool with dying early and painfully while ...
theology is great
  01/02/17
Well that contradicts OP
2 Front Doors
  01/02/17
exactly. you're gonna be fine.
Abbot Saxtus (retired)
  01/02/17
Lol
theology is great
  01/02/17
Tyty
2 Front Doors
  01/02/17
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NudeTateDillow
  01/02/17
depends on the fast food i suppose. chipotle, probably fine....
Det. Mike Hunt, Beaver Falls, PA Police Dept.
  01/02/17
2,300mg of salt in one meal, 6 times a week. What could go w...
theology is great
  01/02/17
Bikram yoga
{(o)}
  01/02/17
Consider taking a multi vitamin if you don't get the proper ...
fatpieceofshit
  01/02/17
how bad do you mean exactly? diet is more important than ex...
WWG1WGA
  01/02/17
with the qualification that a health body weight means a sub...
.,.,.;.,..,..,.,:,:,..,;.,::,..,:,.,.:,..:.,:.:,.
  01/02/17
BMI seems like a stupid measure - why don't we focus on body...
fatpieceofshit
  01/02/17
unfortunately, overweight rates are insane in the third worl...
nyuug
  01/02/17
(guy who didn't get a 180 lsat)
thots & prayers
  01/02/17
I agree with the message, but this looks like the opposite o...
;;.;.;.;.;,.;,.;,;.,;.,;;,.;,.;,;,;
  01/02/17
it's a pareto distribution in that those six things you list...
Abbot Saxtus (retired)
  01/02/17
Ah, fair enough bro. Modulo minor quibbles about individuati...
;;.;.;.;.;,.;,.;,;.,;.,;;,.;,.;,;,;
  01/02/17
Big difference between a 170 and a 175.
30-something sitting in a Pizza Hut reminiscing
  01/02/17
then go for it, i guess.
Abbot Saxtus (retired)
  01/02/17
d00d i wrote a comprehensive poast about this subject :/
twins
  01/03/17
link?
Abbot Saxtus (retired)
  01/03/17
drinking is continually shown to be good for you, fuck off
hank_scorpio
  01/03/17
did i say drinking?
Abbot Saxtus (retired)
  01/03/17
lmao care to revise this one dumb ass?
Wilbur Mercer, the supreme gentleman
  12/06/18
four natural steroids http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?t...
A Jurisprudence is Performed
  12/06/18
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Wilbur Mercer, the supreme gentleman
  12/06/18


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Date: January 2nd, 2017 5:36 PM
Author: Abbot Saxtus (retired)

1. maintaining a healthy body weight gets you the vast majority of the healthy-living advantage that you get over the general population in terms of blood pressure, blood sugar, kidney function, etc.

this alone gets you to a 160 LSAT. you're doing better than most here just by not being fat.

2. *not* smoking or being an alcoholic is the second most effective thing.

this gets you to a 165 LSAT

with JUST these two things you are doing way better than the average person. and you're doing nearly as well as the healthiest guy around. you may even outlive that guy because genes will be making more of a difference with #1 and #2 being equal.

3. frequent exercise

okay, you healthy fucker. now you're at a 170 LSAT. 98th percentile. you're pretty fucking close to maxing out your health here.

there's no point of even listing anything after this, the list really starts dropping off. EVERYYYYYYTHING else that you fuckers argue about on this website. low carbs, low-fat, magnesium deficiencies, avoiding animal products ... this is all just going towards getting to a 171 or a 173 or a 175.

i really think a lot of people are missing this. because if they understood this, they would not be arguing very passionately about these little things.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3479398&forum_id=2#32283582)



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Date: January 2nd, 2017 5:39 PM
Author: theology is great

Enjoy heart attacks, stoke and dementia at 60-70

Atherosclerosis is a "very common" disease. The majority of the population is overweight. Beating the average is not an accomplishment.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3479398&forum_id=2#32283591)



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Date: January 2nd, 2017 5:41 PM
Author: Abbot Saxtus (retired)

you really think that if you maintain a healthy weight, don't smoke and don't drink, and exercise that you'll drop dead at 70 because you ate too much beef? lol. your anxiety is probably your biggest health threat.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3479398&forum_id=2#32283600)



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Date: January 2nd, 2017 5:42 PM
Author: ...........,...,....,.,. ( )



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3479398&forum_id=2#32283606)



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Date: January 2nd, 2017 5:48 PM
Author: theology is great

You can maintain a healthy weight and have 185 ldl. Exercise improves ldl, though likely won't completely fix it, and not eating meat is easier than running 6 miles a day.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3479398&forum_id=2#32283644)



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Date: January 2nd, 2017 8:06 PM
Author: HoldUpHoldUpWhat

Heart attacks come from:

1. Obesity

2. Family history

MIG- 120

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3479398&forum_id=2#32284648)



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Date: January 2nd, 2017 11:17 PM
Author: :D (5000 mcg B12/wk, 150 mcg iodine/day, 250 mg algal DHA-EPA/day)

bad diets run in families. it's not genes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3479398&forum_id=2#32286322)



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Date: January 2nd, 2017 5:39 PM
Author: nescac

agree that there is very much a pareto distribution, but being at a healthy weight is also the hardest thing for many people and it's much easier to neurotically obsess over magnesium than to eat less food.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3479398&forum_id=2#32283595)



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Date: January 2nd, 2017 7:52 PM
Author: (\/)(;,,;)(\/)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3479398&forum_id=2#32284561)



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Date: January 2nd, 2017 5:40 PM
Author: xo kav (colt)

it's not that they miss it, it's that 1 and 2 are, by far, the most difficult

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3479398&forum_id=2#32283596)



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Date: January 2nd, 2017 5:41 PM
Author: xo kav (colt)

Also 1 is pretty sensitive to genes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3479398&forum_id=2#32283603)



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Date: January 2nd, 2017 5:41 PM
Author: nescac

flame

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3479398&forum_id=2#32283605)



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Date: January 2nd, 2017 5:42 PM
Author: Abbot Saxtus (retired)

1 is pretty sensitive to calories in. your body can't perform miracles.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3479398&forum_id=2#32283609)



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Date: January 2nd, 2017 8:03 PM
Author: NudeTateDillow



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3479398&forum_id=2#32284633)



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Date: January 2nd, 2017 5:40 PM
Author: 2 Front Doors

So if I eat a really bad fast-food diet -- but maintain a low BMI, avoid tobacco/alcohol, and do some exercise, am I good?

This is more or less what I do. I just can't get myself to eat "healthy food" on a regular basis. But I have maintained low BF% since high school.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3479398&forum_id=2#32283598)



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Date: January 2nd, 2017 5:41 PM
Author: theology is great

Depends if you're cool with dying early and painfully while your family watches knowing you could've done better

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3479398&forum_id=2#32283602)



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Date: January 2nd, 2017 5:42 PM
Author: 2 Front Doors

Well that contradicts OP

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3479398&forum_id=2#32283611)



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Date: January 2nd, 2017 5:47 PM
Author: Abbot Saxtus (retired)

exactly. you're gonna be fine.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3479398&forum_id=2#32283636)



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Date: January 2nd, 2017 5:49 PM
Author: theology is great

Lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3479398&forum_id=2#32283651)



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Date: January 2nd, 2017 5:53 PM
Author: 2 Front Doors

Tyty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3479398&forum_id=2#32283671)



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Date: January 2nd, 2017 8:04 PM
Author: NudeTateDillow



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3479398&forum_id=2#32284637)



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Date: January 2nd, 2017 5:49 PM
Author: Det. Mike Hunt, Beaver Falls, PA Police Dept.

depends on the fast food i suppose. chipotle, probably fine. chinese street food made with gutter oil, i'd steer away from.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3479398&forum_id=2#32283654)



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Date: January 2nd, 2017 5:50 PM
Author: theology is great

2,300mg of salt in one meal, 6 times a week. What could go wrong?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3479398&forum_id=2#32283657)



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Date: January 2nd, 2017 8:04 PM
Author: {(o)} (anusmo)

Bikram yoga

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3479398&forum_id=2#32284639)



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Date: January 2nd, 2017 7:59 PM
Author: fatpieceofshit

Consider taking a multi vitamin if you don't get the proper nutrients

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3479398&forum_id=2#32284608)



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Date: January 2nd, 2017 9:14 PM
Author: WWG1WGA

how bad do you mean exactly? diet is more important than exercise for weight (although both are still important and exercise has many other benefits) so i'm a little skeptical that it is truly that bad compared to others and yet you have a low BMI

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3479398&forum_id=2#32285208)



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Date: January 2nd, 2017 5:41 PM
Author: .,.,.;.,..,..,.,:,:,..,;.,::,..,:,.,.:,..:.,:.:,.


with the qualification that a health body weight means a sub-20 BMI, fatasses

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3479398&forum_id=2#32283604)



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Date: January 2nd, 2017 7:59 PM
Author: fatpieceofshit

BMI seems like a stupid measure - why don't we focus on bodyfat percentage instead?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3479398&forum_id=2#32284602)



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Date: January 2nd, 2017 8:10 PM
Author: nyuug (Once you go yellow, you'll never lay another fellow!)

unfortunately, overweight rates are insane in the third world.

bpm and i are the only posters who live in countries with a <5% obesity rate

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3479398&forum_id=2#32284667)



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Date: January 2nd, 2017 8:31 PM
Author: thots & prayers

(guy who didn't get a 180 lsat)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3479398&forum_id=2#32284818)



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Date: January 2nd, 2017 9:12 PM
Author: ;;.;.;.;.;,.;,.;,;.,;.,;;,.;,.;,;,;


I agree with the message, but this looks like the opposite of a Pareto.

Pareto distributions generally have heavy tails and are generated often by 'winner take all effects'. So like the 0-80% actors are baristas who never get anywhere, whilst the top 0.1% or whatever are killing it. It is also characterised by accelerating marginal returns: getting from the 50th to the 51st percentile matters way less than getting from the 2nd to the first.

Health (whether cashed out in lifespan, healthy life expectancy, etc. etc.) seems sort of normally distributed, but lots of substructure wrt race, sex, class, etc. This partly explains why 'lifestyle stuff' only can have a limited effect - if you have shitgenes for something, you can get pwnt no matter how carefully you steward your lifestyle.

In terms of health behaviour, all the 'healthy' things (or cutting down 'unhealthy things') show diminishing returns. Doing somewhat frequent physical activity for 20% of the time of a triathlete fanatic gets way more than 20% of the health benefits; cutting your weight from obese to a bit overweight is the great majority of the benefit of going from obese to normal weight, etc.

In terms of the list I pretty much agree, I'd break it down this way:

Do do these (in order of importance):

1. Do physical exercise a few times each week.

2. Don't get fat

3. Have a non-retarded diet.

Don't do these

1. Smoke

2. Drink excessively

3. Take 'hard' drugs

Follow that and you've beaten most people in the US, and have given yourself a good shot of a long/healthy life. Other stuff may help a bit too, but probably is only worth doing if you enjoy it for its own sake.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3479398&forum_id=2#32285190)



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Date: January 2nd, 2017 9:20 PM
Author: Abbot Saxtus (retired)

it's a pareto distribution in that those six things you listed get you 99% of the way towards your maxed out health. then there are about 1000 other "good" things you can do to improve your health but won't do much. those 1000 things comprise the tail. so it's winner-take-all in that those 6 things are responsible for nearly all your gains, brah.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3479398&forum_id=2#32285256)



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Date: January 2nd, 2017 11:16 PM
Author: ;;.;.;.;.;,.;,.;,;.,;.,;;,.;,.;,;,;


Ah, fair enough bro. Modulo minor quibbles about individuation, that seems right. Sorry for misunderstanding.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3479398&forum_id=2#32286312)



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Date: January 2nd, 2017 11:40 PM
Author: 30-something sitting in a Pizza Hut reminiscing

Big difference between a 170 and a 175.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3479398&forum_id=2#32286519)



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Date: January 2nd, 2017 11:42 PM
Author: Abbot Saxtus (retired)

then go for it, i guess.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3479398&forum_id=2#32286536)



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Date: January 3rd, 2017 5:32 AM
Author: twins

d00d i wrote a comprehensive poast about this subject :/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3479398&forum_id=2#32287613)



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Date: January 3rd, 2017 5:33 PM
Author: Abbot Saxtus (retired)

link?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3479398&forum_id=2#32290933)



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Date: January 3rd, 2017 5:46 PM
Author: hank_scorpio

drinking is continually shown to be good for you, fuck off

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3479398&forum_id=2#32291015)



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Date: January 3rd, 2017 5:47 PM
Author: Abbot Saxtus (retired)

did i say drinking?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3479398&forum_id=2#32291020)



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Date: December 6th, 2018 9:12 AM
Author: Wilbur Mercer, the supreme gentleman

lmao care to revise this one dumb ass?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3479398&forum_id=2#37359488)



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Date: December 6th, 2018 9:07 AM
Author: A Jurisprudence is Performed (Christmas)

four natural steroids

http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4064283&mc=17&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3479398&forum_id=2#37359461)



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Date: December 6th, 2018 9:12 AM
Author: Wilbur Mercer, the supreme gentleman



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3479398&forum_id=2#37359490)