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solo, 14 months in, i've lost $40K. will anyone hire me?

i'm so fucking stressed guys
..,.,...;;.,.,,.,:,.:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:.,..,.
  01/13/17
claim to be an american indian and apply for govt jobs...it ...
It's just Keyrock, your honor
  06/14/18
Elaborate
brave little chandler
  01/13/17
starbucks might
Donald John Trump, Sr.
  01/13/17
Just take out a payday loan
a coalition of rabbis
  01/13/17
Or open a credit card and use that to pay down your debt
Sir Incelot
  01/13/17
"i've lost $40K" How the fuck did you manage th...
TM..,..;;.
  01/13/17
...
Judas Jones
  01/13/17
Operating expenses without generating any business?
Sir Incelot
  01/13/17
operating expenses includes his own salary? otherwise obv fl...
potluck
  01/13/17
You mean the waterfall in the reception area wasn't necessar...
a coalition of rabbis
  01/13/17
Lol
Sir Incelot
  01/13/17
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potluck
  01/13/17
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you thought you was whokebe?
  01/13/17
Okay, i lol'd
LeFraud James
  01/13/17
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Terence McKenna
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The Buzz Aldrin Spacelaw Fellowship
  01/14/17
haha
united states poast office
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TM..,..;;.
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Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle
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michael doodikoff
  03/26/18
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Why were clowns?
  06/13/18
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there is no ethical consumption under capitalism
  06/13/18
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Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle
  06/13/18
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cannon
  06/14/18
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"'""'"''""
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Ultimate Turbo Faggot
  06/14/18
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@realmanowar
  06/18/18
Taken loser cases on contingency and dumped money into them?
Sir Incelot
  01/13/17
advertising, joining organizations trying to network and gen...
..,.,...;;.,.,,.,:,.:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:.,..,.
  01/13/17
what's your background?
Maori woman performing defiant haka
  01/13/17
law school, then one year at another firm doing family law a...
..,.,...;;.,.,,.,:,.:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:.,..,.
  01/13/17
So you haven't spent a dime on advertising but your have a t...
I understand and wish to continue
  01/14/17
advertising was my biggest expense. i spent a little over $3...
..,.,...;;.,.,,.,:,.:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:.,..,.
  01/14/17
JFC what did you buy?
gunt
  01/14/17
billboard
The Buzz Aldrin Spacelaw Fellowship
  01/14/17
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Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle
  01/14/17
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there is no ethical consumption under capitalism
  06/13/18
Got damn that was stupid.
"'""'"''""
  06/18/18
jfc that was stupid.
"'""'"''""
  01/14/17
(guy trying to convince others to pay big bucks for his prof...
IronMonkey
  06/14/18
Lol at doing this without any established income stream firs...
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  01/13/17
i thought i could buy business. i was ready to lose money at...
..,.,...;;.,.,,.,:,.:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:.,..,.
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Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle
  01/14/17
brother, I mean no disrespect, but why aren't you going to t...
Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle
  06/13/18
do u have any of them on dropbox or shareable in any way?
Verne lundquist
  06/13/18
What on expert depos on losing cases? How do you spend that ...
michael doodikoff
  01/13/17
You don't take contingency cases until you've developed an i...
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  01/13/17
...
spaceporn2525
  01/13/17
...
Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle
  01/14/17
Exactly. You think Solos do family law because they WANT ...
"'""'"''""
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...
spaceporn2525
  06/13/18
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"'""'"''""
  06/18/18
If you lost that much, you're doing something very wrong. If...
Martin Prince
  01/13/17
my biggest question is how do you generate work without spen...
..,.,...;;.,.,,.,:,.:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:.,..,.
  01/13/17
Google ads have worked for me, but can be very hit or miss. ...
Martin Prince
  01/14/17
this is all very good advice. re: yelp. in order to get b...
rawman8
  01/14/17
This seems like a lot of stressful hustling to barely make a...
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It's a lot of work. I feel like I can predictably make aroun...
Martin Prince
  01/14/17
whats median income in your area?
The Buzz Aldrin Spacelaw Fellowship
  01/14/17
thank you for the sincere advice. i obviously fucked up with...
..,.,...;;.,.,,.,:,.:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:.,..,.
  01/14/17
You didn't fuck up. Running a business is trial and error. N...
Martin Prince
  01/14/17
*grants Martin Prince the xoxo good d00d order of friendship...
Donald John Trump, Sr.
  01/14/17
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Trump Steaks
  06/13/18
"You didn't fuck up." He kinda did, but he didn...
IronMonkey
  06/14/18
"make a budget that brings your overhead to <$1k mon...
~~(>' ' )>
  06/14/18
180 - bros helping bros
The Buzz Aldrin Spacelaw Fellowship
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Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle
  01/14/17
what area of law do you practice? do you know of any corpora...
Maori woman performing defiant haka
  01/13/17
the only corporate lawyers who went solo i've ever seen are ...
..,.,...;;.,.,,.,:,.:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:.,..,.
  01/14/17
I'm in a pseudo litigation practice (something like bankrupt...
Martin Prince
  01/14/17
(Killing the disability practice world)
lGWC
  06/13/18
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Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle
  01/14/17
XO solo law firm startup kit
The Buzz Aldrin Spacelaw Fellowship
  01/14/17
i feel like shit. i'm a god damn moron, even by pumo standar...
..,.,...;;.,.,,.,:,.:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:.,..,.
  01/13/17
Drop the office. Explain your expenses
michael doodikoff
  01/14/17
how much money do you have? realistically, no one is goin...
rawman8
  01/14/17
i didn't mean anyone from the board. i meant anyone at all. ...
..,.,...;;.,.,,.,:,.:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:.,..,.
  01/14/17
why did you spend so much on a sales training program? like ...
stephen biko
  01/14/17
as the ample evidence in this thread shows, i'm a fucking mo...
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  01/14/17
you have balls though at least. a lot of morons with balls h...
stephen biko
  01/14/17
don't beat yourself up. it's not going to solve your problem...
rawman8
  01/14/17
LJL you should like someone who would never maek it on his o...
LAPD officer on paid administrative leave
  01/14/17
i run my own business, dawg, and am making it. right now ...
rawman8
  01/14/17
you're right, that is what i've been doing. i didn't do hard...
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  01/14/17
:( it's time to come clean with your wife. she's probably...
rawman8
  01/14/17
she does, she brings home $4K per month and covers our healt...
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  01/14/17
wow. i feel far worse for you after reading this. your wife ...
rawman8
  01/14/17
she's a very frugal person. we spend $6.5K per month. $2.4K ...
..,.,...;;.,.,,.,:,.:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:.,..,.
  01/14/17
dude, there are plenty of expenses you can cut. 1) cancel...
rawman8
  01/14/17
thanks, but we can't do some of that. 1. daycare: i truly...
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  01/14/17
daycare constraint is reasonable. why do you need to live...
rawman8
  01/14/17
that last point is why i took the $6K sales training course,...
..,.,...;;.,.,,.,:,.:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:.,..,.
  01/14/17
yeah, that's tough. sounds like you've cut a fair amount of ...
rawman8
  01/14/17
what work are you doing? I thought nobody's hired you for a...
Maori woman performing defiant haka
  01/14/17
no, see above. i've generated about $40K in revenue so far (...
..,.,...;;.,.,,.,:,.:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:.,..,.
  01/14/17
your #1 problem is your advertising spending efficiency is t...
rawman8
  01/14/17
"when i had the virtual office, i was paying $500 to $7...
IronMonkey
  06/14/18
"2) stop leasing an office. work from home. maintain a ...
IronMonkey
  06/14/18
$6k on sales training? Holy shit. Cut all of that man. Just ...
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  01/14/17
This has to be flame. Who would dump 30 grand into a billboa...
one more chance
  01/14/17
You're gonna make it brah. You just need to slash expenses a...
Bedroom Bully
  01/14/17
which state you in? check out the ADA laws... could be a gol...
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  01/16/17
how did this dood turn out
A Jurisprudence is Performed
  03/26/18
Tcq. It would make my day to learn this dude got it together...
...,...,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,..,.,.,.,.,......,.,,.
  03/26/18
left the law, abandoned his family, got buff as fuck. now he...
Krampusnacht
  03/26/18
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bloodacre
  06/13/18
reminder: there's only one way you leave xo...
lawdads8
  03/26/18
...
diesel is gay
  03/26/18
...
Martin Prince
  03/26/18
by making million$ in crypto?
A Jurisprudence is Performed
  03/27/18
really need an update
A Jurisprudence is Performed
  06/13/18
Cr I'm sitting here with bated breath
'''''''"'"
  06/13/18
billboard alone is a suckers bet. you need a STRATEGY. ...
spaceporn2525
  06/13/18
he didn't actually buy a billboard, that was flame. A bud...
A Jurisprudence is Performed
  06/13/18
Do you suppose OP talked to successful solos and they advise...
Zezima
  06/13/18
OP here. since this thread was recently linked from a CSLG t...
..,.,...;;.,.,,.,:,.:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:.,..,.
  06/14/18
Congrats. What did you start doing differently that led to ...
Maori woman performing defiant haka
  06/14/18
as my client base grew, i started getting more client referr...
..,.,...;;.,.,,.,:,.:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:.,..,.
  06/14/18
whats your practice area?
boner police?
  06/14/18
Thanks. What advertising method works best for you- network...
Maori woman performing defiant haka
  06/14/18
networking and adwords. i pay an advertising firm to run the...
..,.,...;;.,.,,.,:,.:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:.,..,.
  06/14/18
I have a hard time believing you're earning $400k+ in family...
Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle
  06/14/18
California i'm not earning $400K. those are gross revenue...
..,.,...;;.,.,,.,:,.:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:.,..,.
  06/14/18
Ahh ok. That's more believable.
Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle
  06/14/18
yeah, that sounds like flame.
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  06/14/18
I can't imagine ad words being worth it in family law. Which...
Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle
  06/14/18
i don't know, i pay a consultant to run them now. i spend ab...
..,.,...;;.,.,,.,:,.:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:.,..,.
  06/14/18
Like specific zip codes? How'd you determine the ones that w...
Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle
  06/14/18
yes, zip codes and geographic search term modifiers i.e., ke...
..,.,...;;.,.,,.,:,.:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:.,..,.
  06/14/18
I could very easily incorporate the adwords call tracking in...
Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle
  06/14/18
180
longwangpoontang
  06/18/18
WTF. Negative 40k to +400k in one year?
.,,.,.,.,,,,,.......,.,,
  06/14/18
fuck, I better sign up for this sales course
A Jurisprudence is Performed
  06/14/18
...
Barack Carcetti
  06/18/18
monthly revenues since i made this thread, starting January ...
..,.,...;;.,.,,.,:,.:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:.,..,.
  06/14/18
$36K in a month is nuts for a solo family lawyer. What are y...
A Jurisprudence is Performed
  06/14/18
$300 per hour also do flat fee work. i have staff now too th...
..,.,...;;.,.,,.,:,.:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:.,..,.
  06/14/18
what's your typical retainer? $20k?
Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle
  06/14/18
$5K or $10K, depending. i'm not great at that part though, a...
..,.,...;;.,.,,.,:,.:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:.,..,.
  06/14/18
damn, I need to jack up my rates https://www.lawyers.com/...
Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle
  06/14/18
Iím at $375/hr. A friend with only 3-4 more years of experie...
.,,.,.,.,,,,,.......,.,,
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in all of the (ill advised) coaching i got, i did get some g...
..,.,...;;.,.,,.,:,.:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:.,..,.
  06/14/18
Yea for my first client, I lowballed the rate ($295) and the...
.,,.,.,.,,,,,.......,.,,
  06/14/18
I still have two cases that I'm trying to resolve in which I...
Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle
  06/14/18
EXplain how this turn around happened!
''''"'"''"'''
  06/14/18
the billboards worked!
there is no ethical consumption under capitalism
  06/14/18
180 holy shit
'''''''"'"
  06/14/18
what the fuck lol
scholarship community account
  06/14/18
Fuckin' A.
Raping Terry Gross
  06/14/18
...
michael doodikoff
  06/14/18
180 million.
beckersted.
  06/14/18
OP, not trying to call you out, but I don't understand 400K ...
slimshadyman leading u down a subthread wasteland
  06/14/18
Cr takeaway. Great progress by OP but 37% is a pretty low pr...
.,,.,.,.,,,,,.......,.,,
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Looking at his revenues it looks like he's only now just bui...
slimshadyman leading u down a subthread wasteland
  06/14/18
i admit i'm terrible at this. most of my overhead at this...
..,.,...;;.,.,,.,:,.:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:.,..,.
  06/14/18
all good man, you're still maeking it
slimshadyman leading u down a subthread wasteland
  06/14/18
OP, tips for someone trying to increase marketing efforts to...
.,,.,.,.,,,,,.......,.,,
  06/14/18
...
.,,.,.,.,,,,,.......,.,,
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Reminder, for every CSLG there are legions of chumps who are...
ozzy
  06/14/18
? OP maed it and you can maek it too
there is no ethical consumption under capitalism
  06/14/18
Wish someone had told me this before I quit my job to ďMAKE ...
.,,.,.,.,,,,,.......,.,,
  06/14/18
Long story short, it's functionally impossible to lose money...
A Jurisprudence is Performed
  06/14/18
But how do you quickly ramp up to the 500-750k/year level?
.,,.,.,.,,,,,.......,.,,
  06/14/18
can you fog a mirror?
there is no ethical consumption under capitalism
  06/14/18
the big thing that helps is the hourly rate you can get away...
michael doodikoff
  06/14/18
whats the highest hourly rate you've seen for a solo attorne...
.,,.,.,.,,,,,.......,.,,
  06/14/18
I've seen a solo (bankruptcy I think) with prior biglaw expe...
michael doodikoff
  06/14/18
A real challenge to me has been resisting the urge to cut my...
A Jurisprudence is Performed
  06/14/18
fwiw, i couldn't come to terms with this either until i saw ...
.,,.,.,.,,,,,.......,.,,
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it's completely nuts. In CA my first year as an associate -...
A Jurisprudence is Performed
  06/14/18
...
there is no ethical consumption under capitalism
  06/14/18
the value of my time dropped by more than 50% when I crossed...
A Jurisprudence is Performed
  06/14/18
I think so too. I made like 110k profit my first year as sol...
6 AZNgirls spelling out ASYLUM at Yeshiva party
  06/18/18
How much time do you spend in court? How often do you have t...
Maori woman performing defiant haka
  06/15/18


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Date: January 13th, 2017 10:54 PM
Author: ..,.,...;;.,.,,.,:,.:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:.,..,.


i'm so fucking stressed guys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32370511)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 6:29 PM
Author: It's just Keyrock, your honor

claim to be an american indian and apply for govt jobs...it worked for me, and my sitchy-a-shun was similar to your own

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36247188)



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Date: January 13th, 2017 11:12 PM
Author: brave little chandler

Elaborate

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Date: January 13th, 2017 11:15 PM
Author: Donald John Trump, Sr.

starbucks might

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Date: January 13th, 2017 11:16 PM
Author: a coalition of rabbis

Just take out a payday loan

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32370613)



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Date: January 13th, 2017 11:28 PM
Author: Sir Incelot

Or open a credit card and use that to pay down your debt

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32370675)



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Date: January 13th, 2017 11:28 PM
Author: TM..,..;;.

"i've lost $40K"

How the fuck did you manage this?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32370679)



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Date: January 13th, 2017 11:29 PM
Author: Judas Jones



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Date: January 13th, 2017 11:29 PM
Author: Sir Incelot

Operating expenses without generating any business?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32370686)



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Date: January 13th, 2017 11:30 PM
Author: potluck

operating expenses includes his own salary? otherwise obv flame

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Date: January 13th, 2017 11:31 PM
Author: a coalition of rabbis

You mean the waterfall in the reception area wasn't necessary?

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Date: January 13th, 2017 11:31 PM
Author: Sir Incelot

Lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32370700)



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Date: January 13th, 2017 11:32 PM
Author: potluck



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Date: January 13th, 2017 11:38 PM
Author: you thought you was whokebe?



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Date: January 13th, 2017 11:40 PM
Author: LeFraud James (White Dork, Esq.)

Okay, i lol'd

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32370740)



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Date: January 14th, 2017 1:45 AM
Author: Terence McKenna



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Date: January 14th, 2017 2:08 AM
Author: The Buzz Aldrin Spacelaw Fellowship



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Date: January 14th, 2017 12:49 PM
Author: united states poast office (united states poast office)

haha

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Date: January 14th, 2017 4:04 PM
Author: TM..,..;;.



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Date: January 14th, 2017 4:10 PM
Author: Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle



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Date: March 26th, 2018 7:29 PM
Author: michael doodikoff



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Date: June 13th, 2018 8:06 AM
Author: Why were clowns? (#Qanon)



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Date: June 13th, 2018 9:37 AM
Author: there is no ethical consumption under capitalism



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Date: June 13th, 2018 9:44 AM
Author: Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle



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Date: June 14th, 2018 2:25 PM
Author: cannon



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Date: June 14th, 2018 3:32 PM
Author: "'""'"''"" ( )




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Date: June 14th, 2018 3:44 PM
Author: Ultimate Turbo Faggot



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Date: June 18th, 2018 2:31 PM
Author: @realmanowar (man o' war)



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Date: January 13th, 2017 11:31 PM
Author: Sir Incelot

Taken loser cases on contingency and dumped money into them?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32370698)



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Date: January 13th, 2017 11:42 PM
Author: ..,.,...;;.,.,,.,:,.:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:.,..,.


advertising, joining organizations trying to network and generate business, reference books, materials and CLE's, practice management software, fastcase, printer, scanner, file cabinet, office supplies, office rent. i haven't paid myself since i started.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32370756)



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Date: January 13th, 2017 11:50 PM
Author: Maori woman performing defiant haka

what's your background?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32370797)



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Date: January 13th, 2017 11:57 PM
Author: ..,.,...;;.,.,,.,:,.:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:.,..,.


law school, then one year at another firm doing family law and small amount of business litigation. we had to move to a new state, had some savings and i couldn't find a job here so i decided to try to hang my own shingle. what a fucking dumb idea that was.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32370827)



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Date: January 14th, 2017 12:46 AM
Author: I understand and wish to continue

So you haven't spent a dime on advertising but your have a totally bitchin laser printer

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32370999)



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Date: January 14th, 2017 1:35 AM
Author: ..,.,...;;.,.,,.,:,.:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:.,..,.


advertising was my biggest expense. i spent a little over $30K.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32371176)



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Date: January 14th, 2017 3:15 AM
Author: gunt

JFC what did you buy?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32371501)



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Date: January 14th, 2017 3:29 AM
Author: The Buzz Aldrin Spacelaw Fellowship

billboard

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32371521)



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Date: January 14th, 2017 4:14 PM
Author: Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32373804)



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Date: June 13th, 2018 9:37 AM
Author: there is no ethical consumption under capitalism



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36236673)



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Date: June 18th, 2018 2:29 PM
Author: "'""'"''"" ( )


Got damn that was stupid.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36266324)



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Date: January 14th, 2017 4:40 PM
Author: "'""'"''""


jfc that was stupid.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32373911)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 3:26 PM
Author: IronMonkey

(guy trying to convince others to pay big bucks for his professional judgment)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36246148)



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Date: January 13th, 2017 11:53 PM
Author: ,,.,.,...,,,.,.,.,...,,,.,.,


Lol at doing this without any established income stream first

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32370809)



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Date: January 13th, 2017 11:58 PM
Author: ..,.,...;;.,.,,.,:,.:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:.,..,.


i thought i could buy business. i was ready to lose money at first, but not this long and this much.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32370835)



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Date: January 14th, 2017 4:13 PM
Author: Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32373799)



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Date: June 13th, 2018 9:52 AM
Author: Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle

brother, I mean no disrespect, but why aren't you going to the local law library and scanning treatises with your ScanSnap? I spent like $600 on my ScanSnap, but have gotten thousands of dollars of value from it. I would go into the law library every week and spend eight hours there just scanning shit in a study room. Since it's FAMU Law, no one was ever in the library.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36236789)



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Date: June 13th, 2018 9:55 AM
Author: Verne lundquist

do u have any of them on dropbox or shareable in any way?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36236812)



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Date: January 13th, 2017 11:31 PM
Author: michael doodikoff

What on expert depos on losing cases? How do you spend that much on law? All you need is a laptop and a printer

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32370699)



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Date: January 13th, 2017 11:34 PM
Author: ,,.,.,...,,,.,.,.,...,,,.,.,


You don't take contingency cases until you've developed an income stream from other non contingency cases first, which you then use to fund your contengency practice. This is solo 101.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32370708)



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Date: January 13th, 2017 11:42 PM
Author: spaceporn2525



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32370752)



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Date: January 14th, 2017 4:15 PM
Author: Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32373808)



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Date: January 14th, 2017 4:41 PM
Author: "'""'"''""


Exactly.

You think Solos do family law because they WANT TO?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32373918)



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Date: June 13th, 2018 7:46 AM
Author: spaceporn2525



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36236255)



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Date: June 18th, 2018 2:30 PM
Author: "'""'"''"" ( )




(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36266330)



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Date: January 13th, 2017 11:38 PM
Author: Martin Prince (A prancing scholar's scholar)

If you lost that much, you're doing something very wrong. If you're serious and want some solo tips, let me know. I'm by no means a guru but I'm a solo and made around $150k net before taxes my first year and have been continuously more profitable, so maybe I can at least help you get profitable.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32370730)



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Date: January 13th, 2017 11:44 PM
Author: ..,.,...;;.,.,,.,:,.:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:.,..,.


my biggest question is how do you generate work without spending thousands on advertising each month? i've tried google ads, facebook ads, joining organizations and trying to network, a few lawyer directories which are garbage, fucking yelp (fuck them).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32370768)



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Date: January 14th, 2017 12:17 AM
Author: Martin Prince (A prancing scholar's scholar)

Google ads have worked for me, but can be very hit or miss. In certain practices and certain geographic areas, they can be great. In others, they're a waste of money.

Try speaking about your practice at events. You'd be surprised, but some events regularly look for speakers. Come up with a talk focused on their needs. However, it has to be valuable to work. It can't seem like you're pandering for work. For example, if you handle workers comp, you can ask local unions if you can give a 20 minute Q&A session to their members about injuries on the job during their next meeting. If they or their friends get hurt, they'll remember to call you. If you do criminal law, try to speak at some community college criminal justice class about some criminal law topic. The next time one of these dudes gets busted selling weed, they'll call you.

Post lots of shit on social media. I know you don't want to be that douchebag talking about his job on facebook, but very often after I mention something about work on there, I have a friend message me with a potential matter or referral.

You'd be shocked, but craigslist works and the ads are free. Post one per day.

Get on the bar referral list, if they have one.

Ask lawyers if you can work as of-counsel on overflow work.

Yelp is SPS. Avvo is okay but you need to be active and answer questions and shit. That said, I had a lawyer friend tell me that he generates massive business from Yelp. It may be hit or miss depending on your practice area or geographic market.

Consider getting inexpensive office space in an office with other lawyers. Referrals happen more often when you're sitting 10 feet away from a lawyer in a different practice area than when it's just some dude you met at a boring bar meeting 4 months prior.

Beyond revenue, I'm insane about overhead. Cut it all out. You don't need a private office (see the previous suggestion). Don't consider support staff until you're consistently working 60+ hours a week. What's your overhead like?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32370898)



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Date: January 14th, 2017 12:42 AM
Author: rawman8

this is all very good advice.

re: yelp. in order to get business from there, you have to get high-ish ratings. it may even make sense to buy some fake ratings, if you are that scummy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32370973)



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Date: January 14th, 2017 1:06 AM
Author: ,,.,.,...,,,.,.,.,...,,,.,.,


This seems like a lot of stressful hustling to barely make a living tbh

Law truly is TTT

I think in the old days when the barriers to entry were much higher and there were far fewer lawyers per capita, being a lawyer have you a kind of valuable, esoteric knowledge that could prove you with a consistently solid career

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32371080)



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Date: January 14th, 2017 1:15 AM
Author: Martin Prince (A prancing scholar's scholar)

It's a lot of work. I feel like I can predictably make around $150-200k. However, I work biglaw like hours.

The benefit is that I work for myself. Working for others is TTT.

We also live in a bubble. I feel like $150k-$200k is kind of shitty, but it's top 5% income. Of course on XO where everyone makes $600k+ a year and has 7 figure trust funds, it's peasant money.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32371115)



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Date: January 14th, 2017 2:09 AM
Author: The Buzz Aldrin Spacelaw Fellowship

whats median income in your area?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32371318)



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Date: January 14th, 2017 1:45 AM
Author: ..,.,...;;.,.,,.,:,.:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:.,..,.


thank you for the sincere advice. i obviously fucked up with overhead, and also wasted a lot of money trying to figure out what works, or on shit i ended up not needing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32371221)



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Date: January 14th, 2017 10:50 AM
Author: Martin Prince (A prancing scholar's scholar)

You didn't fuck up. Running a business is trial and error. Now you know what doesn't work. That's a good thing. Create a business plan and incorporate the advice others have posted. Write up ten free or cheap marketing ideas you can repeat every single week: daily Craigslist ad, weekly business related Facebook post, hitting up two places for speaking gigs, asking at least two lawyers for overflow work, etc.

Then make a budget that brings your overhead to <$1k monthly. This should include shared office space with lawyers in different practice areas. Don't renew your current lease.

Set a goal of $3k monthly profit. Then bring that goal up slowly.

Putting the plan on paper helps.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32372034)



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Date: January 14th, 2017 10:54 AM
Author: Donald John Trump, Sr.

*grants Martin Prince the xoxo good d00d order of friendship for his work in this thread*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32372055)



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Date: June 13th, 2018 8:09 AM
Author: Trump Steaks (@realcharliebrown)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36236334)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 3:37 PM
Author: IronMonkey

"You didn't fuck up."

He kinda did, but he didn't *irreparably* fuck up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36246230)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 4:21 PM
Author: ~~(>' ' )>

"make a budget that brings your overhead to <$1k monthly"

I'd eat up half that in malpractice insurance.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36246489)



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Date: January 14th, 2017 2:08 AM
Author: The Buzz Aldrin Spacelaw Fellowship

180 - bros helping bros

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32371315)



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Date: January 14th, 2017 4:21 PM
Author: Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32373830)



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Date: January 13th, 2017 11:52 PM
Author: Maori woman performing defiant haka

what area of law do you practice? do you know of any corporate lawyers who went solo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32370802)



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Date: January 14th, 2017 3:16 AM
Author: ..,.,...;;.,.,,.,:,.:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:.,..,.


the only corporate lawyers who went solo i've ever seen are former midlaw or biglaw partners. i've seen solo real estate lawyers and sometimes you find someone who focuses on a specific industry where they have connections.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32371503)



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Date: January 14th, 2017 10:43 AM
Author: Martin Prince (A prancing scholar's scholar)

I'm in a pseudo litigation practice (something like bankruptcy, workers comp, disability, etc.). I imagine it would be more difficult in corporate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32371996)



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Date: June 13th, 2018 9:54 AM
Author: lGWC

(Killing the disability practice world)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36236805)



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Date: January 14th, 2017 4:16 PM
Author: Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32373813)



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Date: January 14th, 2017 4:25 PM
Author: The Buzz Aldrin Spacelaw Fellowship

XO solo law firm startup kit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32373842)



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Date: January 13th, 2017 11:50 PM
Author: ..,.,...;;.,.,,.,:,.:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:.,..,.


i feel like shit. i'm a god damn moron, even by pumo standards. i obviously am not cut out for this.

will anybody hire me? i just need to keep a roof over my head at this point. my lease is up next month on my office.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32370799)



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Date: January 14th, 2017 12:05 AM
Author: michael doodikoff

Drop the office. Explain your expenses

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32370859)



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Date: January 14th, 2017 12:43 AM
Author: rawman8

how much money do you have?

realistically, no one is going to hire you from this bort.

you made a ton of mistakes, the biggest being wasting a lot of money without generating much revenue.

drop the office. get a coworking space/virtual office and rent a room as needed. should cost you well under $100/month.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32370982)



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Date: January 14th, 2017 1:41 AM
Author: ..,.,...;;.,.,,.,:,.:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:.,..,.


i didn't mean anyone from the board. i meant anyone at all.

i'm almost out of money. i have $20K left in savings, and a monthly living expenses deficit of $3K. i should say we have $20K left, because i'm married. my wife doesn't know our finances though. she just sees me go to the office every day.

i generated revenue, a little over $40K, but i spent $30K on advertising to get it. i have about $10K in expected billings the next few months, so it's more accurate that i generated $50K on $30K of advertising. that's still a terrible ROI. i stupidly spent money on a lot of dumb shit too, including $6K on a sales training program, $4K on a receptionist service, a lot on reference materials i didn't end up needing. a whole host of dumb shit (obviously). a number of sunk costs, like the printer and file cabinet and shit. i'm just clearly a dumb shit when it comes to this.

virtual offices around here are $250 per month, plus $20 per hour for a conference room. still, a lot cheaper than my $1500 per month office.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32371202)



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Date: January 14th, 2017 1:47 AM
Author: stephen biko

why did you spend so much on a sales training program? like what part of their sales pitch induced you to throw down $6k with zero assurances?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32371231)



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Date: January 14th, 2017 1:51 AM
Author: ..,.,...;;.,.,,.,:,.:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:.,..,.


as the ample evidence in this thread shows, i'm a fucking moron.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32371254)



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Date: January 14th, 2017 1:52 AM
Author: stephen biko

you have balls though at least. a lot of morons with balls have made it big working for themselves. a lot of those same morons failed the first time they started out too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32371258)



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Date: January 14th, 2017 1:53 AM
Author: rawman8

don't beat yourself up. it's not going to solve your problems.

you need to do two things:

1) reduce expenses

2) raise revenues

there are obvious things that you could do to make yourself closer to revenue neutral. the problem is 100% solvable.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32371260)



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Date: January 14th, 2017 2:51 AM
Author: LAPD officer on paid administrative leave

LJL you should like someone who would never maek it on his own. You can't just drop platitudes like that to a man in need. LJL fuck off.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32371453)



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Date: January 14th, 2017 2:53 AM
Author: rawman8

i run my own business, dawg, and am making it.

right now op isn't thinking clearly. he's just spinning his wheels. im redirecting his energy to the obvious places.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32371461)



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Date: January 14th, 2017 3:02 AM
Author: ..,.,...;;.,.,,.,:,.:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:.,..,.


you're right, that is what i've been doing. i didn't do hardly anything this week because i've just been frozen with anxiety thinking about this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32371484)



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Date: January 14th, 2017 1:48 AM
Author: rawman8

:(

it's time to come clean with your wife. she's probably already detected the stress you're under. work together to right the ship. you both have a fair amount of runway before things really go to shit and your problems may be solveable.

does she work? what kind of income is she bringing in?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32371239)



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Date: January 14th, 2017 1:58 AM
Author: ..,.,...;;.,.,,.,:,.:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:.,..,.


she does, she brings home $4K per month and covers our health insurance. if i could bring home just $3K, we would be in OK shape. that's what is so frustrating about this: i'm so fucking dumb that i can't even manage to make $40K as a lawyer.

she kind of knows. i tried to tell her once more fully, but she said "i don't know what you have to do, but you need to fix it. you need to make money. we're counting on you." (we have kids) another time i was telling her and she said "so what's your plan? do you have a plan? what if you can't make it work? you have to get a job." then i tried to say i don't think i can get a job. no one hires lawyers like me. she said "well then you have to get a job at mcdonald's or something." then i said that wouldn't be enough to cover the bills. then she said she couldn't talk about it anymore. this is making it sound worse than it is, she's been really supportive so far, and none of this was said with a mean or resentful tone, not yet at least.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32371284)



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Date: January 14th, 2017 2:27 AM
Author: rawman8

wow. i feel far worse for you after reading this. your wife is basically telling you "make money or else..." the mcdonald's comment is revealing.

don't sound uncertain or fret about not being employable, because there's nothing she can contribute meaningful on this front. she is clearly not the type to offer emotional support.

so tell her straight up expenses need to be cut. not to the bone, but you have to slash spending in both your business and your personal life. slash your own discretionary spending first. no frivolities. let her enjoy some.

this is where the strength of your marriage and the character of your wife will be revealed. if she isn't willing to sacrifice anything, that is a bad sign. even if you do recover, how good can you feel about a wife willing to dump you at your lowest point? you will also have to show some backbone. feeling bad isn't going to solve shit.

either get a job (not impossible) or hustle more. you already have shown the ability to earn some revenue. it's now about cutting costs and optimizing your work.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32371369)



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Date: January 14th, 2017 2:39 AM
Author: ..,.,...;;.,.,,.,:,.:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:.,..,.


she's a very frugal person. we spend $6.5K per month. $2.4K is rent (2 br apartment), $400 utilities, another $1.3K is daycare, $1.2K for car insurance, gas, and food (no car payments). student loans between both of us are $600. that's $5.9K that cannot be changed. not much we can cut back on. on the other hand, she makes $4K per month, so i don't need to make hardly anything to make us break even. that's part of the reason i thought i could go solo.

she would absolutely stick by me, but shit... i don't know. i agree that i need to not talk to her about this. i've been thinking about going to a shrink.

thanks for the encouragement. it means a lot, honestly. i think it can be solved too, or at least hope it can, but fuck, this is awful.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32371413)



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Date: January 14th, 2017 2:45 AM
Author: rawman8

dude, there are plenty of expenses you can cut.

1) cancel day care (or cut down on it). you stay at home and watch the kids as much as possible. i doubt you have enough business to keep you occupied a full business day.

2) stop leasing an office. work from home. maintain a virtual office and rent out conference rooms as needed.

use daycare as-needed, such as when you have to appear in court or whatever. schedule meetings on the days where your kids are in daycare.

3) look into a cheaper apartment. there's no law that says you have to live in a 2 br apt that consumes half your take-home income.

4) review bills like cable, internet, insurance, mobile, etc. you can easily slash costs.

if you can pull this off, you've just saved thousands of dollars each month and would very likely be on a self-sustaining path. you have enough cash to implement these (and other) cost saving measures over several months.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32371429)



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Date: January 14th, 2017 2:53 AM
Author: ..,.,...;;.,.,,.,:,.:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:.,..,.


thanks, but we can't do some of that.

1. daycare: i truly thought about trying to stay home with the kids, but one of them is an infant. you can't work except during naps, which are only 1-2 hours total (and split). you can't let them out of your sight. i've worked from home on a few occasions while watching him and it just doesn't work. he'll start crying while i'm on the phone with a client, or cry because he needs to be picked up or whatever and you're ignoring him. i do already "work" from home one day per week.

daycare doesn't let you drop off as needed. you have to sign up for minimum of 3 days per week. there's no on-demand daycare, and there's really no way for us both to work and not have daycare. we already do part-time, but there's no way to get rid of it entirely.

2. cheaper apartment: you find me a 2 bedroom in the LA area that rents for less than $2400 and isn't a complete crime-infested shithole.

3. office: i think i have to drop the office. i did a virtual office the first couple of months when i first started. thing is, i meet with clients a lot. i do a lot of initial and one time consultations. when i had the virtual office, i was paying $500 to $700 per month for all the extra time i was using the conference room and day use office. also, when my wife had the second kid she was off work and there was no way for me to work at home with all three of them around. still, $500 to $700 per month is cheaper than $1500 per month.

4. other expenses: i've been doing this. i actually have been able to drop my business overhead by $1200 recently. with personal expenses i've been trying to cut things down too. we already don't have cable, and cheap prepaid mobile phone plans. i have to keep looking at it. i think the one area we can save some money is food, we spend $600 to $800 per month, so i'm trying hard to spend less there. i have to keep trying to cut these down though. still, $5900 is fixed cost, and we spend $6500, so even if i find every little thing that's only an extra $600 per month. it's something, but it's not the solution. there's no way to cut our personal expenses enough to live without me earning an income.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32371462)



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Date: January 14th, 2017 3:01 AM
Author: rawman8

daycare constraint is reasonable.

why do you need to live in a 2br apartment? yeah, crime-infested shitholes aren't great and i could understand not compromising on that, but there is no absolute need to have 2brs. you can cut expenses there. right now you don't have many options and will have to make sacrifices.

re: virtual office. if you shop around, you can probably get something reasonable for less money. don't just look at places like regus, but consider wework and its many imitators. there's a coworking bubble and you can definitely find some low-cost offices. try negotiating. a coworking space/office would rather rent out a space for less money than keep it empty.

if you're doing a lot of consultations, figure out why they aren't converting to more profitable business.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32371482)



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Date: January 14th, 2017 3:06 AM
Author: ..,.,...;;.,.,,.,:,.:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:.,..,.


that last point is why i took the $6K sales training course, lol

4 people in a 1 br apartment is very, very difficult. we might have to do it but above when you said my wife might not bend, i feel like this is one thing that could really jeopardize things with her. everything else, no cable, cheap old phones, no eating out, no going to the movies, no shopping, no new cars, all of that she can do, without complaint. telling her we have to move into a 1 br apartment would be extremely difficult though.

the solution is to fix the income problem. in large part that means cutting the business expenses. the personal expenses are already pretty low compared to where they can go. i only need to be making $2.5K per month take home for us to break even. that's nothing. that should be easily doable.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32371490)



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Date: January 14th, 2017 3:13 AM
Author: rawman8

yeah, that's tough. sounds like you've cut a fair amount of fat.

btw, i would not absolutely cut out eating out, going to the movies, etc. in order to function well, you have to stay sane and at least somewhat happy. once a week is reasonable.

yes, $2.5k/month is very doable. sit down and think hard about how to optimize your advertising spend. if something isn't yielding results, cut it fast. word of mouth is overrated as a source of revenue, especially if you don't have time. the only advertising spend should be on things that will yield more business very quickly.

you should also think about how you're pricing your services. the cheapest lawyer does not win or take more business than a higher priced lawyer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32371499)



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Date: January 14th, 2017 3:08 AM
Author: Maori woman performing defiant haka

what work are you doing? I thought nobody's hired you for anything yet

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32371492)



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Date: January 14th, 2017 3:10 AM
Author: ..,.,...;;.,.,,.,:,.:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:.,..,.


no, see above. i've generated about $40K in revenue so far (really, $50K if i count expected billings in the next few months). i spent $30K on advertising to get that though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32371494)



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Date: January 14th, 2017 3:15 AM
Author: rawman8

your #1 problem is your advertising spending efficiency is terrible. making $50k on $30k or spending isn't awful. your situation is far less dire than you made it seem at first.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32371502)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 3:40 PM
Author: IronMonkey

"when i had the virtual office, i was paying $500 to $700 per month for all the extra time i was using the conference room and day use office."

Wait, how are you meeting with clients that much and not making money?

You should be able to find a cheaper virtual office option and/or charge (more) for consultations.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36246252)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 3:36 PM
Author: IronMonkey

"2) stop leasing an office. work from home. maintain a virtual office and rent out conference rooms as needed."

Highly credited. I'm 5+ years in as a solo and still don't need full-time office space.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36246220)



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Date: January 14th, 2017 1:55 AM
Author: ,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,..,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,.


$6k on sales training? Holy shit. Cut all of that man. Just work out of your house for awhile and meet clients at coffee shops. Tell them your passing on the savings to them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32371271)



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Date: January 14th, 2017 11:01 AM
Author: one more chance

This has to be flame. Who would dump 30 grand into a billboard instead of SEO. I'm no SEO masterman, but 30k has to do something

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32372112)



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Date: January 14th, 2017 11:23 AM
Author: Bedroom Bully

You're gonna make it brah. You just need to slash expenses as others have mentioned (virtual office etc) and figure out why you're not closing these potential clients. Undercut your competition on price and do the exact opposite of what you're doing in the intake meetings. There's a ton of people out there who just want the cheapest lawyer available. Display confidence and make sure you sound like you know what you're doing and you will start closing these potential clients. Also just get out there and hustle. Go door to door at small businesses and casually drop that you're a lawyer. You can find clients almost anywhere

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32372226)



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Date: January 16th, 2017 2:35 PM
Author: .........,,;,;,;,,,............,,;,;;,.;.


which state you in? check out the ADA laws... could be a gold mine. you can file claims and collect dem fees.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-americans-with-disabilities-act-lawsuits-anderson-cooper/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#32385247)



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Date: March 26th, 2018 6:54 PM
Author: A Jurisprudence is Performed

how did this dood turn out

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#35694748)



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Date: March 26th, 2018 7:28 PM
Author: ...,...,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,..,.,.,.,.,......,.,,.


Tcq. It would make my day to learn this dude got it together.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#35695000)



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Date: March 26th, 2018 7:30 PM
Author: Krampusnacht

left the law, abandoned his family, got buff as fuck. now he's a masked thief who only steals from other criminals.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#35695011)



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Date: June 13th, 2018 7:49 AM
Author: bloodacre



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36236261)



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Date: March 26th, 2018 7:41 PM
Author: lawdads8 (0x122FE543166A7B3f26D5131495083fD653d4CBD2)

reminder: there's only one way you leave xo...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#35695099)



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Date: March 26th, 2018 7:45 PM
Author: diesel is gay (Elite 8 poaster)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#35695137)



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Date: March 26th, 2018 7:50 PM
Author: Martin Prince (ETH tip jar: 0xB6BC7b257E294f49fAB12Fe1C2C499Be9315725B)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#35695169)



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Date: March 27th, 2018 10:51 AM
Author: A Jurisprudence is Performed

by making million$ in crypto?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#35699101)



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Date: June 13th, 2018 7:44 AM
Author: A Jurisprudence is Performed (Butlerian jihad NOW)

really need an update

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36236250)



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Date: June 13th, 2018 8:35 AM
Author: '''''''"'"

Cr I'm sitting here with bated breath

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36236400)



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Date: June 13th, 2018 9:24 AM
Author: spaceporn2525

billboard alone is a suckers bet.

you need a STRATEGY. that includes radio and whatever media you can afford. BILLBOARDS are only when you have money to burn. They draw only the same people every day on commute to work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36236617)



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Date: June 13th, 2018 9:39 AM
Author: A Jurisprudence is Performed

he didn't actually buy a billboard, that was flame.

A buddy of mine paid for a bunch of billboards and took them down after 3 months. They weren't generating. People just drive past them and don't notice; it's like white noise

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36236683)



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Date: June 13th, 2018 9:48 AM
Author: Zezima

Do you suppose OP talked to successful solos and they advised him to get a billboard? Or just did it w/o much strategizing?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36236763)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 2:13 PM
Author: ..,.,...;;.,.,,.,:,.:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:.,..,.


OP here. since this thread was recently linked from a CSLG thread, i thought i would provide an update:

first, reading this was painful. god i sound like a pathetic idiot. it turns out this was right before i turned a corner.

i should hit a little over $400K in revenue this year. i've hired staff. revenue has been on a consistently upward trajectory, and the phone keeps ringing.

i'm still an idiot when comes to overhead. i'm shit when it comes to controlling costs. but despite my poor judgment and profligate business spending, i'm making money. i think it will be OK guys.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36245613)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 2:19 PM
Author: Maori woman performing defiant haka

Congrats. What did you start doing differently that led to the turnaround?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36245653)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 2:34 PM
Author: ..,.,...;;.,.,,.,:,.:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:.,..,.


as my client base grew, i started getting more client referrals. also people i had met 3 or 6 months earlier at networking events suddenly would refer me a matter here and there, and this started to snowball as i continued to network and meet new people. i just got a new matter last week from someone i met last October and haven't spoken to since, for example.

after trying a lot of different advertising methods, i found something that worked and was sustainable. i cut everything else. also, as clients started coming in, i could cut my advertising as i was less reliant on it for new clients. now only about 25% of my new clients come from advertising (when i made this thread, it was 100%). in a year or two, i probably won't need to spend a dime on advertising.

i stopped spending as much on training and coaching as i got more experience. i was able to cut some software subscriptions as i figured out what i actually needed and what wasn't needed. a lot of expenses in that first year were one time expenses too: computers, printers, scanners, furniture, software, etc.

i'm still an idiot and did it the hard way, but really it just took time for my efforts to pay off. the guy above who said starting a business is a lot of trial and error had it right.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36245776)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 2:35 PM
Author: boner police?

whats your practice area?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36245789)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 2:36 PM
Author: Maori woman performing defiant haka

Thanks. What advertising method works best for you- networking? What kind of law are you practicing and what was your pre-solo legal background?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36245795)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 2:40 PM
Author: ..,.,...;;.,.,,.,:,.:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:.,..,.


networking and adwords. i pay an advertising firm to run the ads instead of doing it myself now.

family law primarily. see above, worked for a family law firm previously, but not for very long so that first year i still had a learning curve to come up, especially because i was in a new state.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36245835)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 2:59 PM
Author: Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle

I have a hard time believing you're earning $400k+ in family law. What state are you in?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36245979)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 3:00 PM
Author: ..,.,...;;.,.,,.,:,.:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:.,..,.


California

i'm not earning $400K. those are gross revenues. i'll probably take home $150K this year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36245989)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 3:01 PM
Author: Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle

Ahh ok. That's more believable.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36246002)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 3:01 PM
Author: .,,...,..,,,:,:,...,:::.,..,..:,.,.:..:.,:.::,.


yeah, that sounds like flame.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36246000)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 3:03 PM
Author: Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle

I can't imagine ad words being worth it in family law. Which terms are you prioritizing?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36246016)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 3:13 PM
Author: ..,.,...;;.,.,,.,:,.:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:.,..,.


i don't know, i pay a consultant to run them now. i spend about $6K per month including their fee. i'm hyper focused on certain geographic areas though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36246063)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 3:31 PM
Author: Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle

Like specific zip codes? How'd you determine the ones that would be most profitable?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36246183)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 3:43 PM
Author: ..,.,...;;.,.,,.,:,.:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:.,..,.


yes, zip codes and geographic search term modifiers i.e., keyword + city name.

learned over time, also live in the area.

adwords rewards you the longer you run ads, if your ads perform well. your CPC can actually go down over time, or at least you get better results with the same spend.

my campaigns now are better and more efficient than they were a year ago, through data gathering, tracking and adjusting based on results.

i track phone call conversions too and that informs the data. i don't think they use this software, but like this:

https://www.wordstream.com/adwords-call-tracking

more important for me was paying someone else to do this. i am capable, but it has been absolutely worth the fee to pay an outside firm to manage the campaigns, at least for me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36246274)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 3:56 PM
Author: Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle

I could very easily incorporate the adwords call tracking into my current system, but it'd require me to use a separate phone number. I have plenty of phone numbers, though, so it wouldn't be that big of a deal. My biggest issue is that my web site kind of sucks -- I'm hiring a designer to make it look a lot better.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36246360)



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Date: June 18th, 2018 2:54 PM
Author: longwangpoontang

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36266497)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 2:23 PM
Author: .,,.,.,.,,,,,.......,.,,

WTF. Negative 40k to +400k in one year?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36245693)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 2:30 PM
Author: A Jurisprudence is Performed

fuck, I better sign up for this sales course

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36245746)



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Date: June 18th, 2018 1:22 PM
Author: Barack Carcetti



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36265826)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 2:49 PM
Author: ..,.,...;;.,.,,.,:,.:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:.,..,.


monthly revenues since i made this thread, starting January 2017:

7450

7100

9762

12535

12530

14185

13599

13999

11148

29518

24132

18139

23042

20995

27356

32874

36570

this month i think i'll crack 40K.

edit: total revenues for 2016 were 52,842. 2017 was 174,103.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36245905)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 2:52 PM
Author: A Jurisprudence is Performed

$36K in a month is nuts for a solo family lawyer. What are you billing at?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36245924)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 2:55 PM
Author: ..,.,...;;.,.,,.,:,.:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:.,..,.


$300 per hour also do flat fee work. i have staff now too that i can bill out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36245943)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 3:01 PM
Author: Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle

what's your typical retainer? $20k?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36245993)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 3:15 PM
Author: ..,.,...;;.,.,,.,:,.:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:.,..,.


$5K or $10K, depending. i'm not great at that part though, and have been burned a few times. by hourly rate i'm actually slightly below average:

https://www.lawyers.com/legal-info/family-law/divorce/divorce-in-california.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36246074)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 3:21 PM
Author: Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle

damn, I need to jack up my rates

https://www.lawyers.com/legal-info/family-law/divorce/divorce-in-florida.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36246115)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 3:30 PM
Author: .,,.,.,.,,,,,.......,.,,

Iím at $375/hr. A friend with only 3-4 more years of experience charges $535/hr for hourly work. I donít have the balls to ask for that, though. Yet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36246172)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 3:47 PM
Author: ..,.,...;;.,.,,.,:,.:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:.,..,.


in all of the (ill advised) coaching i got, i did get some good advice. one that has stuck with me is to focus on profit, not number of clients. i couldn't do this at first, but now i can and am getting better by the day at it.

it's better to have 5 clients paying $300 per hour than 10 clients paying $150 per hour. half the work, same revenue.

it's common sense, but when you need the money, it's not as easy to see.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36246304)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 3:49 PM
Author: .,,.,.,.,,,,,.......,.,,

Yea for my first client, I lowballed the rate ($295) and the retainer ($1,000), which I massively regret.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36246314)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 3:57 PM
Author: Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle

I still have two cases that I'm trying to resolve in which I SEVERELY low-balled & got got. It sucks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36246369)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 2:33 PM
Author: ''''"'"''"'''


EXplain how this turn around happened!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36245770)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 2:34 PM
Author: there is no ethical consumption under capitalism

the billboards worked!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36245782)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 2:34 PM
Author: '''''''"'"

180 holy shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36245783)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 2:39 PM
Author: scholarship community account

what the fuck lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36245818)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 2:40 PM
Author: Raping Terry Gross

Fuckin' A.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36245831)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 3:06 PM
Author: michael doodikoff



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36246028)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 3:23 PM
Author: beckersted.

180 million.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36246128)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 3:35 PM
Author: slimshadyman leading u down a subthread wasteland

OP, not trying to call you out, but I don't understand 400K revenues and only 150K net. Are costs really high in family law?

Really curious about solo stuff since I'll never do it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36246211)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 3:47 PM
Author: .,,.,.,.,,,,,.......,.,,

Cr takeaway. Great progress by OP but 37% is a pretty low profit margin.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36246302)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 3:51 PM
Author: slimshadyman leading u down a subthread wasteland

Looking at his revenues it looks like he's only now just building to 30K+ a month, so makes more sense.

Damn. Had no idea family law could be so lucrative

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36246335)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 3:51 PM
Author: ..,.,...;;.,.,,.,:,.:,...,:::,...,:,.,.:.,..,.


i admit i'm terrible at this.

most of my overhead at this point is payroll, advertising, and office space, in that order.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36246336)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 3:53 PM
Author: slimshadyman leading u down a subthread wasteland

all good man, you're still maeking it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36246343)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 3:48 PM
Author: .,,.,.,.,,,,,.......,.,,

OP, tips for someone trying to increase marketing efforts to lead to referrals? Not AdWords but meeting people - attorneys, clients, referral sources etc . Sounds like youíre doing well in this area - can you expand for us please?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36246311)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 5:52 PM
Author: .,,.,.,.,,,,,.......,.,,



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36246971)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 3:53 PM
Author: ozzy

Reminder, for every CSLG there are legions of chumps who are in the OPs initial position and DON'T turn it around

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36246342)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 3:58 PM
Author: there is no ethical consumption under capitalism

? OP maed it and you can maek it too

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36246373)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 3:59 PM
Author: .,,.,.,.,,,,,.......,.,,

Wish someone had told me this before I quit my job to ďMAKE IT.Ē

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36246381)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 5:09 PM
Author: A Jurisprudence is Performed

Long story short, it's functionally impossible to lose money as a lawyer in California

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36246711)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 5:15 PM
Author: .,,.,.,.,,,,,.......,.,,

But how do you quickly ramp up to the 500-750k/year level?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36246750)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 5:53 PM
Author: there is no ethical consumption under capitalism

can you fog a mirror?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36246974)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 5:55 PM
Author: michael doodikoff

the big thing that helps is the hourly rate you can get away with charging people.

Wish I could charge $300/hour as a second year solo attorney without years of experience in a specific specialty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36246983)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 6:18 PM
Author: .,,.,.,.,,,,,.......,.,,

whats the highest hourly rate you've seen for a solo attorney <10 yrs of experience?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36247132)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 6:27 PM
Author: michael doodikoff

I've seen a solo (bankruptcy I think) with prior biglaw experience charging $350/400 an hour or so (depending on client). Buddy of mine does nothing but probate litigation and he charges $300/hr. Both somewhere around that amount of experience. I'm sure there are solos out there charging a lot more though with about 10 years experience.

If I jumped ship today I could probably easily justify $200-225 an hour or so, but would probably puss out and charge less the second I sat down in front of a potential client.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36247171)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 6:29 PM
Author: A Jurisprudence is Performed

A real challenge to me has been resisting the urge to cut my fees in every single case. Just because I feel bad for the guy, or guilty about how much I charge.

I'm now realizing that there are going to be cases where I have no choice but to cut fees, so I shouldn't be doing it voluntarily.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36247181)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 6:39 PM
Author: .,,.,.,.,,,,,.......,.,,

fwiw, i couldn't come to terms with this either until i saw that a buddy of mine was charging a 40% contingency AND a 40k nonrefundable fee to go after a plaintiffs case. and that plus seeing his other hourly arrangements (500+/hr for associates and partners) has completely changed my view on things. Now i feel like anything in the 325-375/hr range is perfectly reasonable esp since i'm never going to nickel and dime the bills (.1 correspondence, etc.).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36247244)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 6:21 PM
Author: A Jurisprudence is Performed

it's completely nuts. In CA my first year as an associate - over a decade ago - I billed at $275. Years later, living in a normal state, with actual expertise and experience, I bill at $280

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36247143)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 6:22 PM
Author: there is no ethical consumption under capitalism



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36247149)



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Date: June 14th, 2018 6:23 PM
Author: A Jurisprudence is Performed

the value of my time dropped by more than 50% when I crossed a state line

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36247151)



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Date: June 18th, 2018 1:25 PM
Author: 6 AZNgirls spelling out ASYLUM at Yeshiva party

I think so too. I made like 110k profit my first year as solo, then 165k, and now almost 300k. And I work less and less each year.

Lawyers are just risk adverse pussies so they think it's hard. It's super easy money once you figure shit out. I know I could pull 200k in the next 12 months if I really wanted to without working more than 15 hours a week

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36265849)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 1:07 AM
Author: Maori woman performing defiant haka

How much time do you spend in court? How often do you have to wear a suit?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3490998&forum_id=2#36249550)