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2016 P&L - Made 783K solo last year (Calishitlawguru returns)
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Date: January 15th, 2017 11:16 AM Author: Insanely creepy nowag http://imgur.com/a/9q6Wj
Wife made about 125k in 2016 (she is corporate counsel for a company close to our house). This puts us at slightly over 900k for the year.
I'm thinking about writing a book and giving seminars on solo practice and marketing. Willing to take some questions today though as well. |
Date: January 15th, 2017 11:18 AM Author: Nubile mad-dog skullcap specialize or do everything? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32377816) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 11:19 AM Author: Insanely creepy nowag Mostly personal injury. I do a bit of criminal and some wage and hour/FEHA cases too. Since PI is contingency, the return on labor is huge. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32377819) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 11:20 AM Author: flesh heaven U were missed brother ty for returning (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32377821) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 11:40 AM Author: Insanely creepy nowag Thanks. Are you one of the guys I met IRL? I met a few guys from xoxo last year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32377917) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 12:29 PM Author: flesh heaven Nah I'm an ID guy in LA though, never met a poaster (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378164) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 12:33 PM Author: Insanely creepy nowag We should meet up. I'll make a throwaway email later and post it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378184) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 1:03 PM Author: flesh heaven I have nightmares about my name being spammed on this boart (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378353) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 1:11 PM Author: Insanely creepy nowag I'm not going to out you. Plus, who cares. I doubt Raffalow Rhoads or Mark Wiener or whoever you work for would care. E-mail me at calishitlawguru@gmail.com. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378396) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 1:12 PM Author: flesh heaven I wish I was in house. One of the outside counsel. I don't have enough trial experience for the mark weiners of the world. I tend to have less known carriers and some outside cases that house counsel doesn't want (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378404) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 1:12 PM Author: bearded adventurous mental disorder you make like 7k no one gives a fuck about you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378398) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 1:14 PM Author: flesh heaven So does chilmata but he's a superstar (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378411) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 1:59 PM Author: Cream Goal In Life after he gets that bitcoin it will be 8k (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378665) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 11:24 AM Author: Cream Goal In Life what acct prog do u use (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32377852) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 12:06 PM Author: Insanely creepy nowag Quickbooks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378047) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 11:27 AM Author: Orange Place Of Business is your shitlaw success story common? of course not. i assume you would recommend against anyone taking your path unless they understand the risks (97% chance of failure). is that correct? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32377873) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 11:38 AM Author: Insanely creepy nowag It is not common. But that is mostly because people suck at generating business. Everything I do can be taught and replicated. I started a second firm last year with a friend who dI'd family law. It is in a different suburb of LA and alrdy has 50 cases. I didn't include that p&l with this post since we've left all the cash in that business. But it should generate a few hundred k this year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32377910) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 11:29 AM Author: Cream Goal In Life what are the 88k "outside services"? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32377878) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 11:33 AM Author: twisted double fault den blowjobs from hookers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32377889) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 11:38 AM Author: flesh heaven Contract attorneys maybe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32377908) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 11:39 AM Author: Insanely creepy nowag My paralegal and several contract attorneys who do discovery, appearances, etc. Car accident discovery isn't complicated and I outsource 100% of it because I hate doing it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32377912) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 12:50 PM Author: galvanic harsh dragon casino What do you pay the k attys / hr? How do you get them? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378279) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 12:57 PM Author: Insanely creepy nowag Currently $15-25/hr depending on who I'm using. I know several attorneys who are solo and don't have enough work that are always looking for side jobs. I also receive resumes all the time from new attorneys looking for work. Many times I will have them help with things until they are up on their feet. I've even had people I'm met from xoxo cover appearances for me while they built their practice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378314) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 1:09 PM Author: galvanic harsh dragon casino Nice. I am always referring lit biz to friends (inhouse but I moonlight). Might be better to just hire someone and take the $. How much do you put into your website? I am considering putting one up. Does it drive biz? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378387) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 2:00 PM Author: Cream Goal In Life you know those craigslist ads offering a full time job as an attorney for $12 per hour but you have to pay for your own business expenses and rent out your office space? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378668) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 11:43 AM Author: Overrated Senate how do you generate business-marketing strategy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32377925) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 2:34 PM Author: Insanely creepy nowag My marketing strategy is: talk to a lot of people. It's as simple as that. I don't really do much actual marketing. I pretty much "network" all day long 24/7. If I am at a friends house and he has friends there I don't know. They won't leave without having my business card and without knowing what I do.
If you've ever seen One Punch Man, it's sort of like that. He says you can be the strongest fighter in the world if you just do 100 push ups, sit ups, and run 5k a day. And it sounds like bullshit. But in the show he is the strongest fighter in the world. My advise is super simple, but it is effective and works.
At this point though, my firm just generates leads without any additional effort. I've had so many former clients that I just get calls from their referrals throughout the month. |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 11:43 AM Author: Nubile mad-dog skullcap how do you generate most of your business? how did you do it in the beginning? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32377926) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 12:00 PM Author: Insanely creepy nowag My practice areas are consumer focused. I literally just tell everyone I know I'm a lawyer and what I do, I give my cell phone number to clients and treat them well, and I go out and do a lot of activities where I constantly meet new people (shooting, bjj, weight lifting, etc). I know this all sounds like bullshit but it's not that hard. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378009) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 12:55 PM Author: Mustard prole (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378310) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 12:58 PM Author: Insanely creepy nowag This is absolutely true. Especially with lower income clients. They love to call me on the weekends and tell their friends "hold on, im on a call with my lawyer." It isn't much of an inconvenience and I get a lot of referrals because I make myself available. Plus, I honestly like helping people and enjoy meeting new people. So the calls can be fun sometimes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378325) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 2:01 PM Author: Cream Goal In Life i cant stand cell phone calls mostly because the reception is always shit and there's always that annoying fucking lag when youre trying to talk. how do you deal with taht (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378672) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 2:44 PM Author: Insanely creepy nowag Client's don't seem to mind. If I have bad reception, I tell them I'll call them back. They still appreciate the effort.
Really it comes down to just being a decent human being and showing them you care about their case. |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 4:10 PM Author: Mustard prole (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32379184) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 11:44 AM Author: Claret arrogant really tough guy Not in CA but can you recommend any good guides for these practice areas? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32377930) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 11:55 AM Author: Insanely creepy nowag I didn't use any guides. I got a couple of solid mentors and figured out the rest on my own. You should have a mentor for every aspect of your life you want to improve. I still have mentors (although I make more than many of them now). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32377980) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 2:02 PM Author: Cream Goal In Life will you be my mentor mang (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378673) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 2:45 PM Author: Insanely creepy nowag Sure, e-mail me.
calishitlawguru@gmail.com
What state are you in? |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 11:49 AM Author: flesh heaven Why don't you post more I'm a big fan man (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32377952) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 12:29 PM Author: Insanely creepy nowag Too busy with the hustle my friend. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378166) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 12:02 PM Author: soul-stirring spot you pay yourself 500k salary? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378025) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 12:05 PM Author: Insanely creepy nowag Yes there isn't a huge benefit to k1ing profits over FICA. Also if you are the only employee you increase your audit chances significantly when you have low salaryand huge k1. At my income level the chances of audit go up a lot to begin with. Finally I need a salary of at least 262k or else I can't Max out my SEP. You can only contribute 25% of your salary. Max is 53k. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378044) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 12:51 PM Author: galvanic harsh dragon casino 180. Healthcare through wife? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378288) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 2:45 PM Author: Insanely creepy nowag Yes. We have a PPO through her company. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378845) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 3:30 PM Author: galvanic harsh dragon casino 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32379080) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 12:05 PM Author: 180 gaping Can you talk a little about the very beginning? What had you been doing before going solo, how much did you have saved, how did you get your first couple of clients, how long did it take the money to start rolling in (say your first 50 or 100k)? Ty for your service to the board (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378045) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 12:18 PM Author: Insanely creepy nowag Sure. I was working somewhere else and doing cases on the side. Once I had 30-40 or so cases I quit. My initial cases were helpong friends and family. My very first case was a dui i did for a friend. He knew i didnt know shit but i also didnt charge him.much. My wife is an in-house attorney and her income helped reduce the fear of taking the leap. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378099) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 1:57 PM Author: maize irradiated ratface How did you manage to do littt on the side? I do some transactional shit on the side but I can't imagine being able to get away with doing cases on the side where you don't control your schedule. You were literally moonlighting during office hours? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378658) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 2:27 PM Author: Insanely creepy nowag Vacation, sick, unpaid time off, and sometimes I would split the case with a friend and they would do the court work. Other times I would fee share with the firm on cases and would just bring them in. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378775) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 12:07 PM Author: flesh heaven How many cases have you tried (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378050) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 12:11 PM Author: Insanely creepy nowag Slightly over a dozen. I have a few going to trial for sure in May and June this year. Probably will try 3 or 4 cases this year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378069) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 4:56 PM Author: bateful ruby piazza legal warrant all state court cases? how big are these cases/how long are the trials? I'm doing patent lit at a pretty high level (taking witnesses and shit) and can't imagine going to trial more than 2x per year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32379447) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 10:34 PM Author: Insanely creepy nowag Lol a lot of these are clear liability trials with just contested damages. ALL state court. Some are as short as two days. Longest was 4 or 5 days. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32381906) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 4:56 PM Author: Awkward Incel Turdskin How hard is it to prep for trial working at home? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32379458) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 12:27 PM Author: Lilac vigorous milk theatre i want to go from midlaw/regional biglaw lit associate to solo. what is my path (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378148) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 12:30 PM Author: Insanely creepy nowag You have enough money to quit? You have a significant other who works? What's your monthly nut? Kind of hard to moonlight and build a practice in biglaw. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378172) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 12:37 PM Author: Lilac vigorous milk theatre no, yes. id probably need to bring in 3k a month or so for us to feel fine right now (baby). COL here is pretty low though
how long should i plan on going without any income to make solo work? and, at what age would you say its probably not worth it? |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 1:21 PM Author: Insanely creepy nowag It's always worth it. Just make sure you have enough to keep your family afloat. I would say expect zero income for at least 6 months. Especially if you do contingency work. So if I were you I wouldn't leave without having 25-30k that you can burn over 6 months. If you can do a side practice that is upfront cash (like criminal or immigration) that is good to supplement you while you build up your contingency pipeline.
In the meantime, start going to lunch with solos in your area who do what you want to do. Learn that shit inside and out, set up a website, make business cards, start telling your friends/family you are going to be leaving soon, and once you can quit all you have to do is start taking on cases.
I had everything set up and ready to go the day I quit my job. |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 12:41 PM Author: Spectacular stock car sound barrier How do generate most of your clients (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378231) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 12:52 PM Author: Cream Goal In Life What is your iq and educational background? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378291) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 1:04 PM Author: Insanely creepy nowag I went to UCLA/USC/UT for law school and graduated Order of the Coif and was on law review. I'm in my early 30s. Went to UCLA/USC/UT for undergrad too. I had my IQ tested as a child because I had ADD. It was very high.
However, until law school I always did poorly in school because I never showed up (too busy playing everquest and smoking weed). I dropped out of high school senior year, went to community college, and transferred to my undergrad. Luckily I had an easy major and did well on the LSAT. So I got into a good law school. |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 1:57 PM Author: Cream Goal In Life stopped reading at order of the coif.
youre obvioulsy a gifted fucker who would succeed in whatever endeavor you chose. fuck my ass. |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 2:55 PM Author: soggy multi-billionaire plenty of very smart people aren't successful because they just aren't willing to put in all the work (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378885) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 3:01 PM Author: Insanely creepy nowag This. Success is more a factor of hard work than intelligence. Obviously being smart makes it easier, but without hard work it doesn't get you where you need to be. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378923) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 1:58 PM Author: maize irradiated ratface How was USC? No one groups USC with UCLA & UT except USC grads. It's UCLA/UT/Vandy lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378662) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 2:04 PM Author: Cream Goal In Life lolkike (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378681) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 12:55 PM Author: Awkward Incel Turdskin JFC is this real? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378305) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 1:00 PM Author: Insanely creepy nowag Yes. I've been posting here for years. I've spoken to and met several xoxo guys in the past who can vouch for me. What can I do short of outing myself publicly to help you not think I'm trolling. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378336) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 1:04 PM Author: Awkward Incel Turdskin no man we've conversed offline, you sent me a few things actually. Just amazed at the $$ and why I'm still defense side. Need to stop being a pussy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378360) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 1:04 PM Author: soul-stirring spot tell us some fun/cool stories of what you do with the moeny (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378364) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 1:08 PM Author: Insanely creepy nowag I actually don't do anything crazy. I'm fairly frugal. I have a 2012 car with 100k miles. I own a nice house that is slightly over a million in the suburbs of LA (which isn't a lot for my income level).
Other than that, I save/invest everything I make. My goal is to retire by the time I'm 40. I'm working on building my passive cash flow right now. My only splurge is my wife and I travel quite a bit internationally and eat a nice meal once or twice a month (cut, ruth's chris, etc). |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 1:11 PM Author: galvanic harsh dragon casino 180. How old is wife? IE how long can you put off kids? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378395) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 1:12 PM Author: Insanely creepy nowag Wife is 33. We are trying to have a kid now. I love kids and can't wait to have them. My wife is 180 too. She doesn't spend a lot of money (she isn't into clothing, jewelry, etc), she goes to the gym with me every morning to stay in shape, she cooks for me, does the laundry, and makes about 10k/month in-house. She comes home at around 4/4:30 and does house work until I'm wrapped up around dinner. I totally won with her. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378399) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 2:04 PM Author: Cream Goal In Life seriously. this nigga is the xo sucess story par excellance (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378684) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 1:30 PM Author: Honey-headed gaming laptop How do u have 100k miles on that car already (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378523) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 1:31 PM Author: Insanely creepy nowag I live 30 miles from downtown LA and I used to go to court several times a week (much less now because I use more appearance attorneys/court call). I also go to Vegas and Santa Barbara several times a year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378535) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 2:34 PM Author: Abusive chocolate theater liquid oxygen Love your story. I'd guess you live in Malibu, Calabasis, Hidden Hills, or Palos Verdes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378802) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 3:44 PM Author: chrome ticket booth My wife and I are from LA. We're living in Paris for the year, so if you make it out this way let's grab a drink. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32379122) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 1:11 PM Author: motley bespoke property cuckoldry Do you think you can increase your annual income much further or is there a cap on how far you can go with this? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378392) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 1:17 PM Author: Insanely creepy nowag It's been growing over time but my bandwidth is pretty much capped now unless I hire full-time associates. Although, my income will keep going up the next few years because the cases I get are better every year. Also, I started a second firm with a friend where I am starting to send my smaller cases and that firm is also generating it's own clients.
However, if I never make more than I'm making right now I'd be fine with that. That's enough to retire at 40 if I'm not stupid with my money. |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 1:21 PM Author: vibrant slap-happy headpube messiness Do you think being in California has had a significant impact on your success? I.e., do you think you could you replicate your success in a less plaintiff-friendly state? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378463) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 1:23 PM Author: Insanely creepy nowag California has actually been worse and worse for plaintiff's attorneys. They got rid of third-party bad faith, there is a string of cases that cut medical expenses at trial (Howell v Hamilton), and we have low minimum insurance coverage (15k).
However, LA is awesome for PI. Everyone drives, there are tons of cars, and people are greedy. Also, Uber has been huge. Uber carries 1 mil insurance and underinsured coverage. That means every time there is an accident with an Uber the case has insane upside. |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 1:27 PM Author: vibrant slap-happy headpube messiness Very interesting, tyty for the info. How do you typically come across Uber / Lyft cases? A friend just tells you they know someone who was recently hit by an Uber and has a sore neck now or something? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378505) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 1:30 PM Author: Insanely creepy nowag I've done a couple dozen Uber cases. Funny enough, I've never had a Lyft case. Well, I have a couple hundred active files and about a thousand total clients since I started. So a lot of calls now are just referrals from former/current clients. I still get a fair bit of business from networking and friends/family. But at this point, my organic growth now is outpacing that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378527) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 1:40 PM Author: Emerald marvelous orchestra pit Like most businesses, it seems like one would need to be a naturally gregarious and social person to be successful. Correct? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378584) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 1:42 PM Author: galvanic harsh dragon casino Helps but not strictly necessary (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378589) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 2:41 PM Author: Insanely creepy nowag This is 100% true. However, this can be learned to some extent. Read lots of books on selling. Those are more helpful than books on law or "rainmaking." Know how to spot what the person's needs are and then show them how you can address those needs. People just want to be listened too. As long as you don't say weird things randomly, it's not that hard. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378824) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 4:08 PM Author: Cream Goal In Life can you recommend any of these "selling" books? or any other books that you found to be helpful in becoming a shitlaw king? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32379176) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 4:11 PM Author: Mustard prole (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32379192) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 4:19 PM Author: Cream Goal In Life faggots who recommend this and that dumb ape warren buffet mentor's book "securities analysis" for purposes of stock investing are FAGGOTS. both books are boring and suck dick (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32379238) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 4:22 PM Author: maize irradiated ratface I just can't stomach those self help books. They have one point and somehow manage to write about it for 300+ pages without even expanding on it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32379258) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 4:25 PM Author: Mustard prole (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32379288) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 4:47 PM Author: bonkers psychic I'm really curious as to what books he'd suggest
Spin Selling strikes me as the best high level theory book on selling that I've read
I personally like Stephen Schiffman's books in terms of actually lines, but that's mostly because I can say them all w/o cringing at myself (I'd suggest reading a bunch and only using what you can use with a straight face, that probably different for you than it is for me)
Also, the op is obviously more successful than I am in his professional life, i'd probably put more weigh in anything he recommends |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 4:16 PM Author: Stirring business firm giraffe how in the fuck does this advice apply to your law practice gee, you broke your leg in a car accident when the other guy ran the stoplight alright everyone, let's spot this guy's needs. now, after you've identified his needs, how are you going to show him that you can address these needs? oh, by the way, tell me more about the pain in your leg and everything that you've suffered through because of it. you don't need to read any fucking books about selling to do pi law. |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 4:18 PM Author: Cream Goal In Life jfc youre so maf and jelly that he's pwning you at shitlaw. ljl at u (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32379234) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 4:20 PM Author: Stirring business firm giraffe go read some books about selling so you can pawn me, too, ace (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32379241) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 4:24 PM Author: Insanely creepy nowag Look, in PI you don't make the sale the majority of the time after they are hurt. Most of my leads from networking are people I met weeks, months, or years earlier. When I say understand their needs, I don't necessarily mean their legal needs. People hire people they like. Clearly if someone calls me saying they broke their leg I jump into what I can do to get them a lot of money. The problem is getting the guy with the broken leg to call you. And he won't call you unless youre the first person he thinks of when he gets hurt. There are a million PI attorneys out there. Everyone knows at least a few. They'll call the one they know and trust. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32379279) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 4:33 PM Author: Stirring business firm giraffe i don't have a problem with this answer, but i don't think it is related to reading books about selling. to do what you are describing requires being social, coming across as smart and competent, and getting results why don't you tell people how much interaction you have with strangers, how much time per week you spend in social settings, etc you obviously aren't getting these clients through advertising which is great. but acting like it's something you learned from reading books is misleading |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 4:37 PM Author: Insanely creepy nowag I didn't say I learned it from books. But if you don't have those skills now, the only way to learn them is to go out to talk to people and read about how to interact with them.
I socialize a lot. I mentioned before that I have a lot of hobbies. Brazilian Jiu-jitsu, weight lifting, shooting, hiking, etc. Hell every single Uber driver I've ever had has my business card and knows I do PI. |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 4:51 PM Author: Stirring business firm giraffe okay, i just disagree that reading about how to interact with people gives you any fucking chance to learn how to interact with people you are talking to people who are out of law school and interested in how you make so much money. instead of giving them hope about learning how to do part of it from reading books, you need to own up to your skillset and make sure these dipshits don't think it's possible. these people are 25+ and aren't learning shit about how to interact with people moving forward. people generally go to law school because they aren't natural salesmen |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 5:29 PM Author: Charcoal home (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32379634) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 4:32 PM Author: Turquoise vivacious police squad examples of saying weird things randomly? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32379327) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 4:38 PM Author: Insanely creepy nowag Couldn't tell you. I don't say weird things lol. It's just like picking up girls before I was with my wife. Just be relatively normal and talk to a lot of them. Some will like you and some will hate you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32379361) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 1:52 PM Author: Turquoise vivacious police squad How long did you do PI litigation working for someone else before you went solo? Im an inhouse corporate attorney and i hate it. Fiddling with the idea of working for some litigation solo for 40k/yr for 6 months to learn the basics and build up a pipeline through side hustling (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378638) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 1:54 PM Author: maize irradiated ratface How do you do (apparently) volume PI but only have $4k of advertising? Wtf? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378649) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 2:05 PM Author: Cream Goal In Life http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378527 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378689) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 1:58 PM Author: Cream Goal In Life OP im a trannymo. never done a lick of lit. how difficult would it be for me to learn the ropes of this shit and stat my own small practice? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378661) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 2:28 PM Author: Provocative Dull Becky Would you consider partnering with a litigator? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378781) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 2:32 PM Author: Insanely creepy nowag I think having a partner is a terrible idea. There is rarely equality in any partnership. If you can bring in a ton of business, just hire people to do the work or do the work yourself. You'll make more money. If you are not good at generating business, your partner isn't going to want to carry you forever. There is a reason why a lot of small firm partners make start and disband several firms over the course of their career.
Plus, I don't want to ask permission to do anything with my business. |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 2:35 PM Author: Provocative Dull Becky so you're saying that if you can bring in biz, even if you have no litigation skills, just hire people to handle it for you and do not have a partner? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378804) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 2:38 PM Author: Insanely creepy nowag Yes. Or just learn yourself. The work isn't hard.
Even if you can't handle it, there are other options. For example, if you gave me 100 divorce cases today (or any type of case for that matter) today, I'd figure out how to get them done. I don't know the first thing about family law. If that means selling the leads or hiring someone to do it, that doesn't matter.
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Date: January 15th, 2017 3:05 PM Author: Provocative Dull Becky agreed re learning / did your prior gig help you build lots of relationships with other solos? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378936) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 3:07 PM Author: Insanely creepy nowag No. I joined caala.org. But that is mainly as a resource for samples/questions/mentors. You guys keep talking about relationships with other attorneys. Focus on relationships with everyone else instead. There are millions of people in LA. You don't need to know a single attorney to be successful. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378941) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 4:47 PM Author: Turquoise vivacious police squad so you're saying a kid fresh out of law school is sufficiently qualified to handle the type of work you do? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32379399) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 4:49 PM Author: Insanely creepy nowag No, but what I'm saying is that they can be sufficiently qualified to handle the type of work I do very quickly. To be really good at it, and maximize case value is something different. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32379409) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 2:29 PM Author: Insanely creepy nowag The work is easy. Getting cases is the part most people have problems with. I could probably teach a smart high school kid enough PI or criminal defense in a few months to be a competent practitioner. It's like chess, easy to learn, difficult to master. Even being moderately competent can make you successful if you can bring in the business. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378787) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 3:13 PM Author: Stirring business firm giraffe accrual basis is weak, at least for purposes of bragging what were you cash flows in 2016? |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 3:17 PM Author: Insanely creepy nowag My cash flows in 2016? I'm not sure what you are asking for exactly. Do you mean my monthly cash flow? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32378997) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 3:19 PM Author: Stirring business firm giraffe no, i mean cash you took in during 2016 and cash you paid out (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32379009) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 3:31 PM Author: Insanely creepy nowag What does it matter? I paid myself 530k salary and 200k on my k1. That means my 1040 will show 730k income besides the 53k I took in my SEP. It would be absurd for me to pay hundreds of thousands in taxes for no reason. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32379086) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 3:19 PM Author: Amber Stage Deer Antler that's silly nitpicking. the only person he'd be cheating is himself if he unrealistically inflated his earnings in 2016 given that his marginal tax rate in 2017 will likely be much lower. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32379007) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 3:22 PM Author: Stirring business firm giraffe there are always reasons to inflate actual income perhaps you are correct, but there isn't any depreciation listed so why be accrual and not cash? also, no income written off for 2016? collected everything? that's highly unlikely |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 3:25 PM Author: maize irradiated ratface "there are always reasons to inflate actual income"
yeah, for companies that can be bought and sold. which ones would apply to a shitlawyer? |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 4:09 PM Author: Stirring business firm giraffe you can sell a shitlaw practice, especially a successful one bring in another attorney, have him or her buy into the practice based on how 'profitable' the business has been another reason is to bullshit people. hehe, look how much i made on the accrual basis |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 4:25 PM Author: Amber Stage Deer Antler if he were making shit up, showing a financial statement on a cash basis would not change anything. please tell me you're not actually this dumb. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32379289) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 4:36 PM Author: Stirring business firm giraffe i agree with you. but, if your accountant or software can do both accrual and cash interchangeably, they can be greatly different where are the uncollectables? the write offs? the depreciation? this doesn't look like an accrual business |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 3:35 PM Author: Turquoise vivacious police squad How do you generate business other than handing your cell phone number out to everyone you meet? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32379097) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 3:43 PM Author: Insanely creepy nowag There are a lot of smaller things. But doing good work and taking care of my clients when they hire me goes a long way. A happy client will send you a lot of business. Your clients have to like you. I NEVER yell at my clients or ignore them. I treat them like family. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32379120) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 4:13 PM Author: Mustard prole (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32379200) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 3:59 PM Author: curious bat shit crazy institution affirmative action How are your rent expenses only like $4,000? Do you not even have an office? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32379154) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 4:21 PM Author: Insanely creepy nowag I've gone through this in previous posts. I have a friend with an awesome office who lets me put my name on the door and use his receptionist for very little money. I also pay a little bit a month for a parking spot. I work from home mostly and come in every day to get mail, and a few times a week to meet the clients I need to meet. They have no idea that I work from home mostly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32379246) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 4:43 PM Author: curious bat shit crazy institution affirmative action am i supposed to know everything you've covered in every previous post?
good for you, but a lot of the bizarre numbers you throw out on here limits how useful any of this could be to other posters, if they don't undermine your no-flame credibility entirely.
just do all office space covered for $300/month!
just do ~$3,000 a year in total advertising/marketing but make sure to let people know you're a lawyer when you meet them at dinner parties!
just do $800,000 in legal fees handling car wreck contingency cases ... from the people you met at dinner parties! |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 4:45 PM Author: Amber Stage Deer Antler you're not getting it. it's not about the exact steps he took, it's about being genuinely warm, extroverted, competent and rational. he got a sweet office deal because he had a friend rent it out to him at a subsidized rate. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32379391) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 5:04 PM Author: Supple Hairless Center This is the thing a lot of people don't get. You have to be a certain type of person to pull this off and you can't fake it. You have to be a legit people person who knows a ton of people who will help you out with shit like getting an office, people who will want to hire you for their cases, etc. Then you have to be the sort of person who if someone meets they will want to trust with their matters. Then you have to enjoy meeting a bunch of new people. That isn't actually most people and almost no one on XO. Definitely isn't me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32379490) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 4:46 PM Author: Insanely creepy nowag Oh man. I laughed really hard. I could totally see that.
But really that's an exaggeration of what I am saying. I could have done it without my friend sharing space. You can get a virtual office for $150/month that includes conference room time. Saying that my argument is to get cases at dinner parties is absurd. Clearly what I'm doing works, it's not magic. How many people outside your friends and family know you're a lawyer? How many know what kind of law you do? For me that number is in the thousands. That's more what I'm talking about. |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 5:05 PM Author: curious bat shit crazy institution affirmative action yes it was a joke/exaggeration. i'm not saying you are flame because you're able to operate with low overhead. i'm just saying some of these things suggest your situation is a bit unique.
i'm in biglaw and not looking for tips to become a solo shitlaw king or anything.
i think you should advertise more. it's cool you're generating enough work to make that type of money largely on word-of-mouth, but then you'll have that either way. advertising if done right will definitely get you more cases that you wouldn't see just on networking, and like you said you can always just hire someone else to do the work if your volume grows that much. could also use it but only selectively add cases when your marketing brings in a whale case that will net you a huge fee. you can definitely afford to underwrite it as an experiment for a year, anyway. |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 5:14 PM Author: Stirring business firm giraffe to what end? he's already making well beyond 99% solo money will advertising help him get the 8 figure cases? maybe, but it will 100% guarantee that his expenses go up and he obviously is concerned about overhead. in his shoes, i would be all over adding in associates and making money off of their work, not trying to bring in more as a solo. making money off of associates isn't all roses, but it is nice to go on vacation and know you are still making money and you can actually not think about work for most of the vacation |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 10:07 PM Author: Dashing Aquamarine Station Pointless at his level. Advertising in the PI game in LA is insanely expensive and he'd be spending a lot more of his time filtering through shit intakes. Only worth it if he can lock down an ethnic market. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32381730) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 4:14 PM Author: Cream Goal In Life your "business model" doable in any state, i imagine? are there any +es or -es to being a CA resident? or is it all a wash in the end? are there any states that are particularly good or particularly bad for this type of work? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32379204) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 4:17 PM Author: maize irradiated ratface good = shitlib states & the south with lots of black jurors
bad = white conservative states |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 4:38 PM Author: Amber Stage Deer Antler a couple of things to point out:
1) calishitlaw is a natural extrovert and a friendly dude. some people have it, others don't. this is a skill that can be learned, but doesnt come naturally to most people. most people, for example, would not help out randos on xoxohth or even meet up with them irl. this goes to show how unusual his personality is.
2) calishitlaw is unusually rational and deliberate (these are qualities that can be very distinct from iq). for example, helping out random xoxo lawyermos isn't a purely altruistic act, because it creates goodwill at very little cost to himself and may in fact lead to a lot of benefit. if calishitlaw helps one lawyer become a successful solo and takes a cut of the business, it would be a pretty great pay off for him and the lawyer. most people would not think to network on a message bort, but he did.
in all, a good example of how to be successful in life.
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Date: January 15th, 2017 4:40 PM Author: Insanely creepy nowag This post made me laugh. I've gotten several referrals from XOXO attorneys since I started doing this several years ago. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32379371) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 5:53 PM Author: Cream Goal In Life sucks that i was born a miserable ape. is csk chill and fratty? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32379778) |
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Date: January 16th, 2017 11:12 AM Author: galvanic harsh dragon casino Titcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32383971) |
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Date: January 17th, 2017 10:28 PM Author: Underhanded Locale Juggernaut I bet he has good doobs insurance. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32396086) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 4:58 PM Author: Awkward Incel Turdskin How much vacation do you take in an average year? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32379465) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 5:21 PM Author: Insanely creepy nowag Been with my wife almost 14 years. We do at least 1 new country a year (done close to 30 with her). Usually 2 weeks. The rest are just small trips to Vegas, Santa Barbara, etc. We also have disneyland passes so we go once a month. She gets 5 weeks vacation at work so she is pretty flexible. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32379588) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 5:39 PM Author: Charcoal home I know it sounds gay, but a big obstacle I face with doing this is I am completely ignorant of the actual machinery of shitlaw practice. Like the advertising rules, the logistics of how a shitlaw client actually pays you, how you ethically create and end an attorney-client relationship. Etc. None of this is really taught in LS. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32379691) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 5:53 PM Author: Cream Goal In Life odd case (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32379781) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 5:59 PM Author: Stirring business firm giraffe okay, this isn't legal advice advertising rules are generally common sense and if you just do what everyone else is doing, you should be fine. read through your state's ethical section and read the annotations. this literally won't take more than 15 minutes. there are probably annotations that tell you what you can't do based on people getting burned for it in the past. in my state, you cross the line, you just get warned, and you back up. that's definitely not legal advice for your state. shitlaw clients don't pay you if you give them a chance not to pay you. so, you get the money up front and do flat fees or you get money up front and bill hourly. if you deplete money up front and are owed more, you absolutely do not trust these clients to pay you in the future. they will not. you will ignore this advice and trust people. then you will be amazed at how worthless people can be. you will actually appreciate people who come through with their obligation to pay you. that's ridiculous, but that's how it works. so, don't be a bitch. before you trust anyone, you withdraw. ending the relationship? not legal advice. just end it. if you are dealing with someone who can afford to cause you problems, you probably aren't going to want to end it. otherwise, there are all kinds of buzz words and buzz phrases that you use to get out. breakdown of the lawyer-client relationship should get you out of almost all cases. why isn't this taught in law school? because law school is greatly flawed. |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 5:59 PM Author: Awkward Incel Turdskin This kind of stuff is actually easy to figure out / get sample engagement letters, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32379801) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 6:26 PM Author: sickened hairraiser house corn cake What's your volume of DUI cases like? Do you recommend breaking into DUI law for a new solo? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32379933) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 7:55 PM Author: Cream Goal In Life op pls check ur email ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32380611) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 8:27 PM Author: Insanely creepy nowag I'll check after dinner. About to go out with the wife. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32380941) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 7:58 PM Author: Aromatic magical point was going to call flame but if this guy really did help out xoxo bros IRL, he deserves a cascade of 180s
take a 180 from me, friend |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 8:27 PM Author: Insanely creepy nowag Just spent about an hour on the phone giving an xoxo bro advice on his new practice. I am here if you need me my friend. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32380938) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 10:46 PM Author: Amber Stage Deer Antler 180
id help u out but i wouldnt want to get outed. |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 10:58 PM Author: Cream Goal In Life he doesnt sem to need help? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32382042) |
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Date: January 16th, 2017 11:35 AM Author: Insanely creepy nowag Were you the guy I spoke with? I forgot to ask what your xoxo handle is. If so, check your throwaway e-mail. I sent you meds on a prior shoulder case that should help you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32384108) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 10:47 PM Author: Aromatic magical point 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32381983) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 9:50 PM Author: Dark Crackhouse Faggot Firefighter Maybe you just had one big case. 180 if you did, but you might not have another traumatic brain injury for another 10 years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32381587) |
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Date: January 15th, 2017 10:30 PM Author: Insanely creepy nowag I wish. I haven't had any contingency cases over a million. The majority of my income is from soft tissue cases that are worked up (epidurals, surgery recs, etc.) Those are usually 50-100k settlements. If I hit a 10 mil case I would probably at that point and do anot her business that required less of my personal labor. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32381868) |
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Date: January 16th, 2017 12:02 AM Author: Submissive Thriller Jap Black Woman I think I would have enjoyed law a lot more had I gone this direction. No regrets about leaving it, but the idea of doing something other than shuffle papers between companies is appealing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32382440) |
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Date: January 17th, 2017 9:58 PM Author: Underhanded Locale Juggernaut Why pay that much in salary? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32395856) |
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Date: January 18th, 2017 1:34 AM Author: Insanely creepy nowag Makes almost no difference tax wise and reduces my audit chances significantly. Plus I need at least $262k in salary to max out my SEP IRA. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#32397217) |
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Date: September 1st, 2023 3:08 PM Author: Erotic citrine address lettuce i'm gonna take the leap this year YNY. will build my practice around employment law and PI with zero legal experience (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#46744148) |
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Date: September 1st, 2023 6:33 PM Author: Insanely creepy nowag 180. Good luck! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3491997&forum_id=2#46744840) |