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Lobbying: good path to $$?
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Date: January 16th, 2017 11:47 PM Author: big-titted curious field kitty cat I've always had a pull to go do some policy work on the Hill. 1.5 years into biglaw now, have some connections, and it seems like it would be a great change. But not financially viable long term.
How reliably can one go from hill job to decent lobbying gig? Is this only plausible for staff of leadership? How high up should you try to rise before switching over to lobby side? What are typical exit ops from Hill work for law talking guys? Into the bowels of some federal agency? |
Date: January 17th, 2017 12:25 AM Author: tripping nowag library cannabis industry lobbying is the Cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3493624&forum_id=2#32389879) |
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Date: January 17th, 2017 12:36 AM Author: Stirring tanning salon I've done regulatory approval and lobbying work for these people. It is decidedly not the CR. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3493624&forum_id=2#32389940) |
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Date: January 17th, 2017 12:31 AM Author: irate razzle address tank it's financially plausible only for those very high up. so former congressmen, chiefs of staffs, staff directors of committees, top leadership aides, etc. you wouldn't get a real lobbying job if you're just like a legislative director to a congressman- you'd get a shitty one paying $80k for like the trucking association or you'd do pac/government relations for a f500. you're probably too old and don't have enough connections at this point to ever make it big as a lobbyist/public affairs guy. you could probably get an LA or counsel job right now if you have connections but it'd take you at least a decade of ladder-climbing on the hill to be able to be in a position for you to exit into lucrative consulting/lobbying, and that's a big if to begin with- not many can climb that ladder. |
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Date: January 17th, 2017 12:37 AM Author: big-titted curious field kitty cat Thanks yea this is sort of what I was thinking. If I did this I would try to swing a senate counsel job (which I think would be a lot more fun than biglaw), build connections there for the better part of a decade, and then try to exit out. Just unclear to me what that exit is likely to look like. Like how hard is it to swing upper 175+ type comp? And if not that, then what?
Risk aversion may drive me to just stay the course in biglaw- go to some semi-boring in house counsel job and never get to do the policy stuff which I think would be a lot more fun. |
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Date: January 17th, 2017 12:49 AM Author: irate razzle address tank if you do get a counsel job and climb ladder for ten years then yea you'd be in good shape for 175k. your best route there would be to specialize and exit into an administration job and then to a f500 or consulting firm. e.g. senate armed services -> defense department -> raytheon. if you don't climb the ladder you'll exit into a govt relations manager job or a non-profit or 501c4 or whatever paying closer to $100k. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3493624&forum_id=2#32390016) |
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Date: January 17th, 2017 1:37 AM Author: supple university voyeur My point below is that people can go in and out of those association gigs, back to the hill, back to the associations or F500s, for more and more $$$ and better titles; revolving door
I concede you can't just be an LA for a few years and BAM running shit, but the route described above is very normal and usually ends with a SVP kind of title |
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Date: January 17th, 2017 12:38 AM Author: Stirring tanning salon If he has the right hooks he can try for state level lobbying after a few years in the right spots. Can be just as lucrative with the right industries and easier, but hugely provincial. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3493624&forum_id=2#32389956) |
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Date: January 17th, 2017 12:41 AM Author: supple university voyeur If you're an LA to LC or LD (which btw you undersell the value) to the right industry, this is not CR at all.
Obviously someone with no ties or experience isn't getting shit. But the LA to someone on the Senate HELP Cmte with 6 years of health experience can waltz into GS14/15 jobs or Director of Fed Relations gigs, and with maybe some more experience you could end up at a major health org or company
Def 250K+ jobs, especially if you have some charisma and stay in the field
you don't even need to have worked on the hill, just around the hill; plenty of DC BIGLAWYERS make the jump |
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Date: January 17th, 2017 12:53 AM Author: irate razzle address tank i didn't undersell anything. being an LD to a generic congressmen is completely different than being a senior aide on a senate committee. and no they won't be waltzing into a director job after being an LA, not even close. it'll be a "manager" job paying less than $100k. i know a million people with those exact credentials. i guess they can get a gs job if they want to make $110k but that's really pointless to me. and as far as plenty of $250k jobs at the credentials you're talking about, you really don't know what you're talking about. hill experience or high-level political experience is almost always a prereq, biglaw bros aren't getting them. |
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Date: January 17th, 2017 12:33 AM Author: mind-boggling copper scourge upon the earth stage Bro do something with your life that allows you to sleep at night. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3493624&forum_id=2#32389924) |
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Date: January 17th, 2017 12:39 AM Author: big-titted curious field kitty cat it would take a lot to keep me up (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3493624&forum_id=2#32389959) |
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Date: January 17th, 2017 12:41 AM Author: supple university voyeur Lobbying for some megacorp is really not much diff than marketing or being their lawyer
hell, a lot of lobbyists in say ... health ... are lobbying for like NIH funding and shit, it's not all tobacco kill regs shit |
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Date: January 17th, 2017 12:38 AM Author: supple university voyeur I don't know why more lawyers don't pursue this path. They're mostly polisci shitheads and they are more than willing to move to random cities. Yes, you need some experience, but not ALL of them require Hill experience. In fact, you can work at an association, get some $$ and experience, and then go be a senior advisor on the Hill, then become a Director or something higher level in lobbying.
JD is a positive. Biggest thing is to spin your experience in law as not one trying to be some law partner. But it is one of the remaining areas where a JD is a positive and many of the people hiring have them or want to see one. |
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Date: January 17th, 2017 12:40 AM Author: Stirring tanning salon Because to really cash in you need to be political AND know how to work within the system. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3493624&forum_id=2#32389968) |
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Date: January 17th, 2017 12:42 AM Author: supple university voyeur I mean Corey L style from Trump he'll pull 400K, sure, is that 'cashing in?' I guess
but you can get a stable, SVP of Fed Govt Affairs gig with enough experience, which will easily be 200-300K, 9-6 kinda deal, at some association
it's basically like in-house $$$ except you have a lot more fun than lawyers
I agree if you want PARTNER-level $$$$ like at a law firm you need to get lucky but I think if you're willing to gun for it, say, you're running fed govt affairs and then move to a high-level office in the Senate, you could do it
there are surprisingly few true wonks out there on a lot of things if you play your cards right |
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Date: January 17th, 2017 12:46 AM Author: Stirring tanning salon No. Corey L is not a lobbyist last I checked. He's a campaign consultant who now works in media.
The good experience is the tough part to get. |
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Date: January 17th, 2017 12:47 AM Author: supple university voyeur I read a specific article that he's going to be lobbying and the guess was a 400K a year contract, idk man
I'm just saying if you're some V50 lawyer and make moves, you can actually do this instead of being stuck as an associate --> in house ---> dead end hating life
it's a lot more fun |
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Date: January 17th, 2017 12:50 AM Author: Stirring tanning salon It is. I dabble in it with my job. As discussed above though the experience needed doesn't always neatly correspond with law. It's a specific skillset that requires knowing not only HOW to talk to people but WHO to talk to. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3493624&forum_id=2#32390017) |
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Date: January 17th, 2017 12:50 AM Author: Stirring tanning salon Btw I vaguely recall hearing something similar about Lewandowski but in my brief googled I didn't see anything. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3493624&forum_id=2#32390025) |