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Why do libs find it so hard to believe that 3 milion illegals voted in election?
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Date: January 24th, 2017 11:09 AM Author: up-to-no-good death wish it's not like libs encourage that sort of thing...
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-10-28/some-cities-want-their-immigrants-to-vote |
Date: January 24th, 2017 11:13 AM Author: Lavender floppy quadroon lmao they can't be serious (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32446790) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 11:15 AM Author: up-to-no-good death wish they literally tell illegals to vote, then deny that illegals gave Hilldog the popular vote. LJL @ this mental illness. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32446798) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 11:20 AM Author: Lavender floppy quadroon I doubt illegals had much if anything to do with that. CA is full of hardcore libs.
It's borderline treasonous to let illegal immigrants vote though. |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 11:24 AM Author: swollen motley stock car site (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32446877) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 11:15 AM Author: Cerise pervert candlestick maker No. No. No. No. No. No. No. Total Bullshit. |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 11:16 AM Author: Mint Titillating Gaping Den Is there any plausible evidence for the assertion? If there are so many illegal votes why are Republicans so strident lyrics opposed to any audits or recounts? Doesn't make sense. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32446809) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 11:17 AM Author: aphrodisiac adulterous ape meetinghouse there is a difference between not having evidence and something being a lie. that's my main problem with the MSM's coverage.
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Date: January 24th, 2017 11:19 AM Author: Mint Titillating Gaping Den If there's no evidence, how is it different from a lie? If I say with blithe confidence despite no evidence that Donald Trump is cooperating with ISIS, isn't that a lie? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32446836) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:44 PM Author: Stubborn circlehead "Illegal immigrants did not vote in sufficient numbers to give Hillary Clinton the popular vote"
Now do you see the problem? |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 11:20 AM Author: Odious twinkling uncleanness dysfunction "it's not a lie because i have absolutely no way of knowing whether what i'm saying is true and i'm saying it solely to advance my own interests"
great defense |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 11:22 AM Author: Lavender floppy quadroon the possibility is there at least bc we don't have strict voter ID requirements.
we should have them along with free state-issued IDs to maintain confidence and integrity in our democratic process. |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 11:23 AM Author: Cerise pervert candlestick maker The possibility is not there. It's a total lie. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32446870) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 11:39 AM Author: Racy metal really tough guy pocket flask ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32447004) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 11:41 AM Author: Cerise pervert candlestick maker How is is possible that, notwithstanding multiple inquiries and studies on voter fraud that fail to pick up even a whiff of same somehow millions of illegals voted in the past election.
Look Faggots, you get the election you deserve. if you keep acting like a bunch of morans then you fucking deserve having all federal jobs eliminated from your career services bulletin boards. |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 12:53 PM Author: up-to-no-good death wish yeah it's not like the "academics" conducting these "studies" are biased dishonest shiteating lib faggots or anything (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32447530) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 12:57 PM Author: Cerise pervert candlestick maker (moron) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32447558) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 12:58 PM Author: Racy metal really tough guy pocket flask Illegals voting isn't even disputed.
People voting multiple times or on behalf of others isn't disputed.
They know this simply from people applying to become citizens and answering "yes" when asked if they've ever registered to vote or voted.
Just in this last election, more votes were cast in Detroit than there are registered voters. |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 2:09 PM Author: Hyperventilating Sooty Multi-billionaire 4% of respondents to the survey answered "yes" to "Have you ever been decapitated?" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32448095) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 6:55 PM Author: up-to-no-good death wish and is there any doubt that those decapitated people voted Dem? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32450560) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 6:58 PM Author: unhinged station ONE EIGHT ZERO (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32450602) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 6:57 PM Author: unhinged station There is nothing to prevent illegals from voting therefore it is possible and the studies are propaganda. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32450595) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 11:24 AM Author: Odious twinkling uncleanness dysfunction there we go. if a statement superficially seems at least possible to some people, it can't be a lie. come on, libs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32446871) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 12:53 PM Author: up-to-no-good death wish tell us more about how acid rain and amazon deforestation are going to kill us all, shitlib (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32447535) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 1:07 PM Author: Cerise pervert candlestick maker Faggot both were controlled by the passage of new regulations. !! Jesus Christ. This has to be flame and I'm getting flamed as fuck. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32447632) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 11:25 AM Author: swollen motley stock car site (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32446882) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:49 PM Author: Drab point trust fund if there is no evidence, then it is not true. sorry comrade (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449056) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:20 PM Author: mahogany casino patrolman woah woah woah, that's a little misleading don't you think.
God does not exist!
[NO EVIDENCE]
Thus the statement that God does not exist is not true.
TYTYTYTYTYTYTY |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 11:17 AM Author: Bossy psychic This is a false flag flame thread right (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32446817) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 11:20 AM Author: Boyish home trump supporter Doesn't California make it exceedingly easy for someone to register and vote without providing any evidence of citizenship?
Libs: Be honest. Give us a ballpark estimate of how many noncitizens you think voted in 2016. I assume it's less than 3M. |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 11:26 AM Author: swollen motley stock car site I really don't see how anyone could claim that with a straight face. Literally every other rule on the books has a less than 100% success rate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32446893) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 11:29 AM Author: up-to-no-good death wish cr. libs have absolutely no shame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32446914) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:31 PM Author: Chocolate Deep Stage Organic Girlfriend This right here is the point. It's not likely as high as 3 million, but he knows it's a significant number much higher than zero. He always does this but no one seems to catch on. He keeps bringing it up so that the MSM will "take the bait," which they now have. Now people will look into it and find the number was less than 3 million (ZOMG TRUMP IS SUCH A LIAR!!) but more than zero (which will horrify most people). The MSM will think they "got him" while everyone else is focused on a legitimate problem that Trump has now put a spotlight on. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32448887) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:13 PM Author: spectacular nursing home useless brakes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449267) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 11:21 AM Author: Hairraiser Fishy Property (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32446852) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 11:24 AM Author: Beady-eyed honey-headed feces Give it up.
You're not white and you'll never be accepted by White people. |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 11:26 AM Author: Hairraiser Fishy Property (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32446889) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:39 PM Author: umber trailer park You're a dancing monkey for the whites on xo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32448970) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:08 PM Author: Hairraiser Fishy Property (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449223) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 12:06 PM Author: Mint Titillating Gaping Den Plenty of people of all political persuasions are dishonest in their political opinions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32447228) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 11:40 AM Author: multi-colored rose step-uncle's house turdskin libs are fucking racist and think spics cant read (come can) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32447007) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 11:47 AM Author: Cerise pervert candlestick maker illegals are drawn to places where ids of some sort are required, right? Where lists of residency are commonly checked, right? where there is typically some governmental presence, right? And for what? money? Nah. a vote. totally makes sense now. I see your point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32447056) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 12:54 PM Author: up-to-no-good death wish speak english you demented gook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32447543) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 11:50 AM Author: Smoky bawdyhouse Because massive voter fraud would be easily detected, and you're a fucking moron for believing everything out of a pathological liar's mouth. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32447080) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 7:00 PM Author: unhinged station Describe how it would be "easily" detected (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32450619) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 12:09 PM Author: citrine roommate Odd case that the alleged massive wide scale voter fraud equals the amount Trump lost the popular vote by. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32447247) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 12:10 PM Author: Cerise pervert candlestick maker More! That's why he has doubled down and now says it's 3-5 million. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32447253) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 12:11 PM Author: citrine roommate I heard it was 60 million and Trump basically would have won in a shutout (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32447261) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 12:12 PM Author: Cerise pervert candlestick maker Wow! let's wait a bit, as the numbers seem to keep going up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32447274) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 12:58 PM Author: splenetic doctorate Obviously some illegals vote and some other shady voting shit goes on for dems (see Detroit).
Almost certainly not enough to 3 million votes. But who gives a fuck, Trump should stop harping on the popular vote shit and inauguration numbers unless it is misdirection to distract from the other shit he is doing.
Either way shitlibs, you popular vote "lead" is not going to save you, lmao, ur all gonna die. |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 1:00 PM Author: Racy metal really tough guy pocket flask With a coordinated effort by slime ball organizers, how many illegal votes would you estimate are cast? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32447584) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:56 PM Author: splenetic doctorate I have no idea. Not sure how registration works elsewhere - it is pretty easy in CA. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449108) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:00 PM Author: maize set scourge upon the earth If they could gin up 3-5 Million illegal votes, they could have come up with 100K in the rust belt. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449137) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:06 PM Author: up-to-no-good death wish they did, and they STILL lost, shithead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449207) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:13 PM Author: maize set scourge upon the earth Record citation please. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449276) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 12:59 PM Author: buck-toothed school cafeteria keepsake machete because there are a shitload more than 3 million illegals here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32447572) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 2:11 PM Author: Hyperventilating Sooty Multi-billionaire i'm sure nearly half voted for trump (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32448103) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 2:11 PM Author: concupiscible pisswyrm alternative facts ftw jfc
all of you gas yourselves |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:03 PM Author: Mint Titillating Gaping Den It was hilarious when they asked Spicer if Trump planned to investigate any of this and Spicer was like "uhhhhh we'll talk about it?" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32448637) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:06 PM Author: Translucent abusive degenerate The evidence for this is equal to the evidence that xoTrump has reached an agreement with xoPutin to divide Europe right down the middle.
Since there is "no evidence that X didn't happen," should we just start reporting them as probably true? |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:18 PM Author: Ebony Fear-inspiring Mad-dog Skullcap It isn't hard to believe, but there is zero evidence 3mm illegal aliens voted....which is what libs are up in arms about.
It gets old when Trump just literally makes shit up and then runs around spouting it like fact....if he continues to do this, eventually this will affect the US in a very negative way |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:58 PM Author: up-to-no-good death wish he lisped (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449120) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:19 PM Author: Anal poppy university black woman Doesn't voting in an election provide grounds for deportation ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32448777) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:21 PM Author: Ebony Fear-inspiring Mad-dog Skullcap bad hombres (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32448802) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:20 PM Author: orchid irradiated mad cow disease i don't think it's impossible. there's some number of people voting who aren't supposed to be voting, but "3-5 million" was pulled out of someone's ass, wasn't it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32448788) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:23 PM Author: Ebony Fear-inspiring Mad-dog Skullcap it isn't impossible that 10mm illegal aliens voted....therefore he should just start saying 10mm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32448814) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:24 PM Author: orchid irradiated mad cow disease he would want to say something more believable (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32448825) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:23 PM Author: Mint Titillating Gaping Den Corresponds shockingly well with the amount of votes trump needed to beat hillary. What a coincidence....almost like this was a complete fabrication to save face. Like a child would do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32448817) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:24 PM Author: Curious ivory stead mental disorder At least 3-5 million. It's probably more. We'll never know because the media refuses to investigate. Very sad! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32448824) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:25 PM Author: orchid irradiated mad cow disease true. could be as many as 10 million. i've recently heard the number 10 million mentioned. people are saying 10 million. 10 million illegals possibly voted in the election. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32448830) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:29 PM Author: Ebony Fear-inspiring Mad-dog Skullcap I heard 11 million. Might have been 11. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32448881) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:02 PM Author: Curious ivory stead mental disorder Some xo threads are reporting the real number may be as high as 22 million (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449161) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:15 PM Author: Ebony Fear-inspiring Mad-dog Skullcap interesting. I just heard 22 million as well. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449289) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:16 PM Author: orchid irradiated mad cow disease i've heard it more than once. many, many people are saying this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449297) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:59 PM Author: up-to-no-good death wish The POTUS says 3-5 million. MSM says 0. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449129) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:16 PM Author: Ebony Fear-inspiring Mad-dog Skullcap "MSM says 0."
I'm going to go ahead and ask you to provide a link hoss. |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:26 PM Author: fighting selfie ceo Legal hispanics barely vote. Lol at illegal guats and hondos rushing to the polls. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32448845) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:28 PM Author: Chocolate Deep Stage Organic Girlfriend Illegals had a much bigger incentive to vote Dem. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32448868) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:31 PM Author: fighting selfie ceo Ljl. The only gov building they know of is where they get benefits. Lol at guats, hondos, and mxs knowing even where to vote. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32448890) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:47 PM Author: Chocolate Deep Stage Organic Girlfriend Yeah it's not like there's a political party with any incentive to give them those instructions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449043) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:55 PM Author: Mint Titillating Gaping Den If Trump is so convinced this is occurring why is he deeply opposed to any sort of audits or recounts and why isn't he calling for an investigation?
He either knows it's bullshit or he knows the electoral system is compromised and doesn't care to try to fix it. Neither is good. |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:57 PM Author: Chocolate Deep Stage Organic Girlfriend Recounts are timely and cost a lot. They also only give you information on the total vote changes. All Trump needs is for a few examples to surface of illegals voting and he can shatter the shitlibs' insistence that we have a perfect voting system without ID. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449118) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:01 PM Author: Mint Titillating Gaping Den Millions of illegal votes are being cast. Doesn't that warrant some kind of investigation? Maybe not a full audit, but something? And yet....President Trump desperately wants to avoid any investigation whatsoever. In fact he ardently opposes it.
Wonder why that is. |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:04 PM Author: Chocolate Deep Stage Organic Girlfriend Because he's exaggerating, obviously.
Date: January 24th, 2017 3:31 PM Author: Get Thee to the Gold House
This right here is the point. It's not likely as high as 3 million, but he knows it's a significant number much higher than zero. He always does this but no one seems to catch on. He keeps bringing it up so that the MSM will "take the bait," which they now have. Now people will look into it and find the number was less than 3 million (ZOMG TRUMP IS SUCH A LIAR!!) but more than zero (which will horrify most people). The MSM will think they "got him" while everyone else is focused on a legitimate problem that Trump has now put a spotlight on.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32448887) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:13 PM Author: Mint Titillating Gaping Den Interesting theory. I think it's more likely that he's just thin skinned. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449274) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:14 PM Author: Chocolate Deep Stage Organic Girlfriend He did this all throughout the campaign. His people are really latching onto this. I don't think this is just sour grapes about the popular vote. He's pulling them toward something. Say what you want about him having NPD or whatever but I think he's got a plan here. We'll see what comes of it I suppose. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449282) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:43 PM Author: Dead Opaque Center While I agree with this, i think you underestimate the amount of DACA type Hispanic illegals who are very politically active and probably voted. Now, obviously this doesn't translate to millions of votes but I wouldn't be surprised if the number of these types were in the 10s of thousands. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449008) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:48 PM Author: fighting selfie ceo Tbf, the few DACAs I know keep a super low profile and did not vote. I doubt many DACAs felt comfortable going to the polls (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449047) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:51 PM Author: Dead Opaque Center I don't know where you live, but the DACAs in California, particularly those that attend university, seem to be pretty open about their status. And they are addament anti-trumpmos for obvious reasons. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449068) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:31 PM Author: Drab point trust fund Because we ride Barbaro bareback (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32448888) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:55 PM Author: ruby impertinent resort sandwich Could control of the Senate in 2014 be decided by illegal votes cast by non-citizens? Some argue that incidents of voting by non-citizens are so rare as to be inconsequential, with efforts to block fraud a screen for an agenda to prevent poor and minority voters from exercising the franchise, while others define such incidents as a threat to democracy itself. Both sides depend more heavily on anecdotes than data.
In a forthcoming article in the journal Electoral Studies, we bring real data from big social science survey datasets to bear on the question of whether, to what extent, and for whom non-citizens vote in U.S. elections. Most non-citizens do not register, let alone vote. But enough do that their participation can change the outcome of close races.
Our data comes from the Cooperative Congressional Election Study (CCES). Its large number of observations (32,800 in 2008 and 55,400 in 2010) provide sufficient samples of the non-immigrant sub-population, with 339 non-citizen respondents in 2008 and 489 in 2010. For the 2008 CCES, we also attempted to match respondents to voter files so that we could verify whether they actually voted.
How many non-citizens participate in U.S. elections? More than 14 percent of non-citizens in both the 2008 and 2010 samples indicated that they were registered to vote. Furthermore, some of these non-citizens voted. Our best guess, based upon extrapolations from the portion of the sample with a verified vote, is that 6.4 percent of non-citizens voted in 2008 and 2.2 percent of non-citizens voted in 2010.
Estimated Voter Turnout by Non-Citizens 2008 2010 Self reported and/or verified 38 (11.3%) 13 (3.5%) Self reported and verified 5 (1.5%) N.A. Adjusted estimate 21 (6.4%) 8 (2.2%)
Because non-citizens tended to favor Democrats (Obama won more than 80 percent of the votes of non-citizens in the 2008 CCES sample), we find that this participation was large enough to plausibly account for Democratic victories in a few close elections. Non-citizen votes could have given Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote needed to overcome filibusters in order to pass health-care reform and other Obama administration priorities in the 111th Congress. Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) won election in 2008 with a victory margin of 312 votes. Votes cast by just 0.65 percent of Minnesota non-citizens could account for this margin. It is also possible that non-citizen votes were responsible for Obama’s 2008 victory in North Carolina. Obama won the state by 14,177 votes, so a turnout by 5.1 percent of North Carolina’s adult non-citizens would have provided this victory margin.
We also find that one of the favorite policies advocated by conservatives to prevent voter fraud appears strikingly ineffective. Nearly three quarters of the non-citizens who indicated they were asked to provide photo identification at the polls claimed to have subsequently voted.
An alternative approach to reducing non-citizen turnout might emphasize public information. Unlike other populations, including naturalized citizens, education is not associated with higher participation among non-citizens. In 2008, non-citizens with less than a college degree were significantly more likely to cast a validated vote, and no non-citizens with a college degree or higher cast a validated vote. This hints at a link between non-citizen voting and lack of awareness about legal barriers.
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There are obvious limitations to our research, which one should take account of when interpreting the results. Although the CCES sample is large, the non-citizen portion of the sample is modest, with the attendant uncertainty associated with sampling error. We analyze only 828 self-reported non-citizens. Self-reports of citizen status might also be a source of error, although the appendix of our paper shows that the racial, geographic, and attitudinal characteristics of non-citizens (and non-citizen voters) are consistent with their self-reported status.
Another possible limitation is the matching process conducted by Catalist to verify registration and turnout drops many non-citizen respondents who cannot be matched. Our adjusted estimate assumes the implication of a “registered” or “voted” response among those who Catalist could not match is the same as for those whom it could. If one questions this assumption, one might focus only on those non-citizens with a reported and validated vote. This is the second line of the table.
Finally, extrapolation to specific state-level or district-level election outcomes is fraught with substantial uncertainty. It is obviously possible that non-citizens in California are more likely to vote than non-citizens in North Carolina, or vice versa. Thus, we are much more confident that non-citizen votes mattered for the Minnesota Senate race (a turnout of little more than one-tenth of our adjusted estimate is all that would be required) than that non-citizen votes changed the outcome in North Carolina.
Our research cannot answer whether the United States should move to legalize some electoral participation by non-citizens as many other countries do, and as some U.S. states did for more than 100 years, or find policies that more effectively restrict it. But this research should move that debate a step closer to a common set of facts.
Jesse Richman is Associate Professor of Political Science and International Studies at Old Dominion University, and Director of the ODU Social Science Research Center. David Earnest is Associate Professor of Political Science and International Studies at Old Dominion University, and Associate Dean for Research & Graduate Studies in the College of Arts and Letters.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2014/10/24/could-non-citizens-decide-the-november-election/?utm_term=.7b3ff4b0d3cf |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:56 PM Author: insecure slimy national It's strange seeing XO opinions starting to move away from trump, with a few loyalists holding on "libs are all gonna die".
My cousin was a hardcore trumpmo, fresh out of college and works at the fed as a bank analyst. Yesterday, I told him to watch out, the hiring freezes could mean that his job is in jeopardy. He laughed and told me "bullshit". Today he received an email saying that they may have to pull his job offer, after he's been working there for 6 months. He's in disbelief and I don't want to be a dick with the "I told you so" shit.
Those of us with money/biglaw/good jobs are going to be fine, it's pretty pathetic when we whine that the world is ending. I just know it's going to be sad watching my less-educated, less-monied friends and relatives panic when prices start rising from a trade war etc, and they start realizing that they voted for an idiot purely because they hated the PC shit that's riddled our society.
But no one forced them. They did this to themselves, and part of me will silently enjoy watching it happen. |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:57 PM Author: Dead Opaque Center Stfu (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449111) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:02 PM Author: up-to-no-good death wish (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449156) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:57 PM Author: splenetic doctorate #fakenews (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449119) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:01 PM Author: insecure slimy national Dignifying this with a response because I've always liked and respected you on this bort. This is the text I got from the fed cousin
http://m.imgur.com/XLNYeHn |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:12 PM Author: splenetic doctorate lol well then his sacrifice will be appreciated! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449262) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:59 PM Author: Drab point trust fund The coming trade war will be the ultimate ass rape for the proles (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449128) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:00 PM Author: cheese-eating travel guidebook If he could get net exports up it would help maybe a million of them (sounds like a lot but not many in our yuge economy). Too bad a yugely strong $$$ based on his own policy positions is going to undercut any efforts and we're likely to see an even larger trade deficit under Trump. Ljl. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449142) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:02 PM Author: Mint Titillating Gaping Den Also the tpp would have, ironically, increased exports. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449164) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:04 PM Author: cheese-eating travel guidebook I don't know a ton about TPP but it seems like it was mostly an IP deal, which would help monopolist shitheads more than anything, and my impression it was maybe more important for trying to isolate China than anything else (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449180) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:01 PM Author: fighting selfie ceo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449146) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:00 PM Author: fighting selfie ceo BS. Freeze only impacts vacant positions as of Jan 22. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449139) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:01 PM Author: insecure slimy national http://m.imgur.com/XLNYeHn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449151) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:02 PM Author: Overrated liquid oxygen lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449159) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:04 PM Author: fighting selfie ceo I guess the fed isn't following trump's memo. Good on them for being more conservative. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449177) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:05 PM Author: insecure slimy national To be honest, I was surprised. Part of me thought that this would only happen if he repealed dodd frank or something. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449195) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:01 PM Author: Pink range sound barrier (vapid mouthbreathing idiot) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449147) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:09 PM Author: insecure slimy national Says the guy who just poasted that there is no evidence of evolution. Take a lap faggot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449226) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 5:32 PM Author: Pink range sound barrier link to proof of evolution? link to no evidence of illegals voting? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449962) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:01 PM Author: Overrated liquid oxygen Fuck you and your low IQ government leech cousin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449149) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:00 PM Author: Dashing Useless Sanctuary Well there's no proof.
Also, if you've ever spent time with illegals you'd know they try to keep as low a profile as possible for fear of triggering some sequence of events that will get then deported. I really don't see them taking any kind of risks to register their identity and illegally vote when there is virtually no benefit to doing so. |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:02 PM Author: Pink range sound barrier link to proof of evolution? link to proof that fetuses aren't human? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449158) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:02 PM Author: fighting selfie ceo BEEP BEEP BEEP (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449165) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:07 PM Author: insecure slimy national (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449213) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:04 PM Author: up-to-no-good death wish (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449176) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:06 PM Author: naked depressive this poast is evidence against human evolution (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449204) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:02 PM Author: fighting selfie ceo This is what I have seen, first hand. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449160) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:04 PM Author: up-to-no-good death wish (actual wetback) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449178) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:03 PM Author: up-to-no-good death wish yeah because the thousands upon thousands of illegals literally mugging people, murdering people, raping people, participating in MS-13, etc keep a real "low profile" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449169) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:06 PM Author: fighting selfie ceo Lol at murderers lining up to vote.
In fact, I saw 3 MS13 tatted up hombres waiting with me during early voting. I talked with one and he said he wanted to be sure his vote counted. |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:07 PM Author: insecure slimy national Lol ran here. News would have a field day with all the MS 13 face tattoos at the polling centers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449209) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:20 PM Author: Dashing Useless Sanctuary Yeah I was referring to generally law abiding illegals, though the murderers and rapists probably also aren't voting. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449349) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:25 PM Author: insecure slimy national cr.
Meant to reply to the ms 13 mentioner |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:10 PM Author: Dead Opaque Center Specifically regarding California, aren't they already "registered" if they apply for a State ID? Also, if they are participating in a program such as DACA , they are already part of a national registry. I just don't think it's as much a detterrant as you may think. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449244) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:11 PM Author: insecure slimy national http://www.snopes.com/california-motor-voter-act/
In sum, yeah, there are loopholes |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:19 PM Author: Dead Opaque Center Well I just skimmed it, but it seems to say that non-US citizens won't automatically be put on the voting rolls just by applying for the State ID. But since all you need to register to vote in California is a state ID, I don't see why you cant just subsequently register after you get your ID. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449338) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:22 PM Author: insecure slimy national That's the gist. It's definitely possible, but highly improbable that mexis would be utilizing the loopholes en masse. I did naturalization screening in law school during my SA pro bono shit, most of these people can barely read english. Lol @ them taking the time out to reaearch loopholes. They're also scared as shit & rightfully so that registering would be a quick deportation.
Side note/funny story, one of the people I screened had like 4 DUIs and some other felonious shit, I dinged him right to his face and reported him |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:28 PM Author: Dashing Useless Sanctuary Exactly. Lol at the non-English speaking Mexican bus boys and maids who risked their lives to get here lining up at polling stations to vote. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449433) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:37 PM Author: Dead Opaque Center I agree with you that it is highly unlikely that a recent Mexican immigrant would take the initiative on his own to jump to through hoops necessary to vote, but, without sounding too consipratorial, I'm sure there are turn out the vote organizations that target Hispanic communities to register and purposely don't inquire too much about citizenship, if you know what I mean.
Additionally, there is a decent sized demographic of DACA types who have prb been here all their life, might be in university and are very politicallly active, like many other college students. In California, there are likely thousands of these types that voted.
I'm not saying that all this amounted to millions of votes that cost Donald the popular vote, but it's funny to hear people claim that illegals NEVER vote. A decent number of them prb do.
180 story btw. |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:48 PM Author: insecure slimy national Agree with everything in your poast. There are definitely la raza style orgs that advocate for illegal bretheren to vote...I just think the scale that it's occurring at is very, very low.
Great point with the DACA types. That absolutely happens, I just don't think there are enough of them to make a difference. If anything, I think CA's numbers just show how much the state hates DT. Almost everyone I know (white collar circle) despises him. This is much more likely than a widespread illegal push against trump in CA where they know that we're going blue regardless |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 5:29 PM Author: Dead Opaque Center I think we are on the same page with this. The only thing I would add is that the media is playing a dangerous game with Trump when they say things like, "LOL how can he even SUGGEST that illegals voted in this election." Whether or not it was 3 million is irrelevant. All it takes is for one leaked/hacked document from a state DNC official or group like La Raza detailing efforts to get undocumenteds to vote and Trump wins. It's all about optics at that point. The media has overplayed their hand relative to Trump numerous times. They still don't really appreciate the Bannon types around Trump who understand this game. They are setting themselves up to be embarrassed again.
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:11 PM Author: naked depressive In terms of numbers, for starters, there aren't even 3 million illegal immigrants TOTAL in California, and that includes children. When you see what at outlandish claim it is just to start with, it's hard to take seriously. And don't give me this "by 3 million he actually just means x number, politicians exaggerate bullshit." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449250) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:17 PM Author: Pink range sound barrier 1) there are likely way more than 3m illegals in California 2) he didn't say all the illegal votes came from California 3) yes he probably was exaggerating. what the fuck is "don't give me this"? supposed to mean? don't give you things that fail to comport with your deranged liberal mindset? shut up idiot |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:23 PM Author: insecure slimy national (Undereducated creationist) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449377) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:28 PM Author: maize set scourge upon the earth 1-newsmax says your wrong.http://www.newsmax.com/FastFeatures/illegal-immigration-California/2015/09/14/id/691462/ 2-where did they come from then? Immigration friendly places like Arizona and Texas? 3-#factsmatterwhenurpres |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:29 PM Author: Dashing Useless Sanctuary There are fewer, and many of them are under 18. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449442) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:41 PM Author: buck-toothed school cafeteria keepsake machete illegal waiting to become 18 so he can vote illegally (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449543) |