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Why do libs find it so hard to believe that 3 milion illegals voted in election?
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Date: January 24th, 2017 11:09 AM Author: Curious red tattoo site it's not like libs encourage that sort of thing...
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-10-28/some-cities-want-their-immigrants-to-vote |
Date: January 24th, 2017 11:13 AM Author: bipolar amber theater lmao they can't be serious (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32446790) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 11:15 AM Author: Curious red tattoo site they literally tell illegals to vote, then deny that illegals gave Hilldog the popular vote. LJL @ this mental illness. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32446798) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 11:20 AM Author: bipolar amber theater I doubt illegals had much if anything to do with that. CA is full of hardcore libs.
It's borderline treasonous to let illegal immigrants vote though. |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 11:24 AM Author: Anal crawly stage international law enforcement agency (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32446877) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 11:15 AM Author: azure floppy fanboi circlehead No. No. No. No. No. No. No. Total Bullshit. |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 11:16 AM Author: Provocative Space Organic Girlfriend Is there any plausible evidence for the assertion? If there are so many illegal votes why are Republicans so strident lyrics opposed to any audits or recounts? Doesn't make sense. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32446809) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 11:17 AM Author: odious arrogant mother goyim there is a difference between not having evidence and something being a lie. that's my main problem with the MSM's coverage.
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Date: January 24th, 2017 11:19 AM Author: Provocative Space Organic Girlfriend If there's no evidence, how is it different from a lie? If I say with blithe confidence despite no evidence that Donald Trump is cooperating with ISIS, isn't that a lie? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32446836) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:44 PM Author: Dashing trailer park factory reset button "Illegal immigrants did not vote in sufficient numbers to give Hillary Clinton the popular vote"
Now do you see the problem? |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 11:20 AM Author: Vivacious sapphire piazza famous landscape painting "it's not a lie because i have absolutely no way of knowing whether what i'm saying is true and i'm saying it solely to advance my own interests"
great defense |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 11:22 AM Author: bipolar amber theater the possibility is there at least bc we don't have strict voter ID requirements.
we should have them along with free state-issued IDs to maintain confidence and integrity in our democratic process. |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 11:23 AM Author: azure floppy fanboi circlehead The possibility is not there. It's a total lie. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32446870) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 11:39 AM Author: Judgmental Crystalline School Cafeteria Old Irish Cottage ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32447004) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 11:41 AM Author: azure floppy fanboi circlehead How is is possible that, notwithstanding multiple inquiries and studies on voter fraud that fail to pick up even a whiff of same somehow millions of illegals voted in the past election.
Look Faggots, you get the election you deserve. if you keep acting like a bunch of morans then you fucking deserve having all federal jobs eliminated from your career services bulletin boards. |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 12:53 PM Author: Curious red tattoo site yeah it's not like the "academics" conducting these "studies" are biased dishonest shiteating lib faggots or anything (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32447530) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 12:57 PM Author: azure floppy fanboi circlehead (moron) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32447558) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 12:58 PM Author: Judgmental Crystalline School Cafeteria Old Irish Cottage Illegals voting isn't even disputed.
People voting multiple times or on behalf of others isn't disputed.
They know this simply from people applying to become citizens and answering "yes" when asked if they've ever registered to vote or voted.
Just in this last election, more votes were cast in Detroit than there are registered voters. |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 2:09 PM Author: Crusty Burgundy Sandwich 4% of respondents to the survey answered "yes" to "Have you ever been decapitated?" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32448095) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 6:55 PM Author: Curious red tattoo site and is there any doubt that those decapitated people voted Dem? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32450560) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 6:58 PM Author: trip irate point trust fund ONE EIGHT ZERO (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32450602) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 6:57 PM Author: trip irate point trust fund There is nothing to prevent illegals from voting therefore it is possible and the studies are propaganda. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32450595) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 11:24 AM Author: Vivacious sapphire piazza famous landscape painting there we go. if a statement superficially seems at least possible to some people, it can't be a lie. come on, libs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32446871) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 12:53 PM Author: Curious red tattoo site tell us more about how acid rain and amazon deforestation are going to kill us all, shitlib (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32447535) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 1:07 PM Author: azure floppy fanboi circlehead Faggot both were controlled by the passage of new regulations. !! Jesus Christ. This has to be flame and I'm getting flamed as fuck. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32447632) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 11:25 AM Author: Anal crawly stage international law enforcement agency (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32446882) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:49 PM Author: Light brethren becky if there is no evidence, then it is not true. sorry comrade (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449056) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:20 PM Author: jet boiling water woah woah woah, that's a little misleading don't you think.
God does not exist!
[NO EVIDENCE]
Thus the statement that God does not exist is not true.
TYTYTYTYTYTYTY |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 11:17 AM Author: insanely creepy learning disabled nibblets stock car This is a false flag flame thread right (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32446817) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 11:20 AM Author: Spectacular Garrison Doesn't California make it exceedingly easy for someone to register and vote without providing any evidence of citizenship?
Libs: Be honest. Give us a ballpark estimate of how many noncitizens you think voted in 2016. I assume it's less than 3M. |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 11:26 AM Author: Anal crawly stage international law enforcement agency I really don't see how anyone could claim that with a straight face. Literally every other rule on the books has a less than 100% success rate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32446893) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 11:29 AM Author: Curious red tattoo site cr. libs have absolutely no shame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32446914) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:31 PM Author: Sexy iridescent temple gunner This right here is the point. It's not likely as high as 3 million, but he knows it's a significant number much higher than zero. He always does this but no one seems to catch on. He keeps bringing it up so that the MSM will "take the bait," which they now have. Now people will look into it and find the number was less than 3 million (ZOMG TRUMP IS SUCH A LIAR!!) but more than zero (which will horrify most people). The MSM will think they "got him" while everyone else is focused on a legitimate problem that Trump has now put a spotlight on. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32448887) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:13 PM Author: lascivious coldplay fan den (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449267) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 11:21 AM Author: Free-loading Tanning Salon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32446852) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 11:24 AM Author: Charismatic medicated affirmative action Give it up.
You're not white and you'll never be accepted by White people. |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 11:26 AM Author: Free-loading Tanning Salon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32446889) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:39 PM Author: Buck-toothed swashbuckling corner You're a dancing monkey for the whites on xo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32448970) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:08 PM Author: Free-loading Tanning Salon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449223) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 12:06 PM Author: Provocative Space Organic Girlfriend Plenty of people of all political persuasions are dishonest in their political opinions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32447228) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 11:40 AM Author: Deranged native libs are fucking racist and think spics cant read (come can) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32447007) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 11:47 AM Author: azure floppy fanboi circlehead illegals are drawn to places where ids of some sort are required, right? Where lists of residency are commonly checked, right? where there is typically some governmental presence, right? And for what? money? Nah. a vote. totally makes sense now. I see your point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32447056) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 12:54 PM Author: Curious red tattoo site speak english you demented gook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32447543) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 11:50 AM Author: Sable fluffy parlor multi-billionaire Because massive voter fraud would be easily detected, and you're a fucking moron for believing everything out of a pathological liar's mouth. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32447080) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 7:00 PM Author: trip irate point trust fund Describe how it would be "easily" detected (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32450619) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 12:09 PM Author: Frozen Business Firm Faggot Firefighter Odd case that the alleged massive wide scale voter fraud equals the amount Trump lost the popular vote by. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32447247) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 12:10 PM Author: azure floppy fanboi circlehead More! That's why he has doubled down and now says it's 3-5 million. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32447253) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 12:11 PM Author: Frozen Business Firm Faggot Firefighter I heard it was 60 million and Trump basically would have won in a shutout (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32447261) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 12:12 PM Author: azure floppy fanboi circlehead Wow! let's wait a bit, as the numbers seem to keep going up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32447274) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 12:58 PM Author: impressive community account Obviously some illegals vote and some other shady voting shit goes on for dems (see Detroit).
Almost certainly not enough to 3 million votes. But who gives a fuck, Trump should stop harping on the popular vote shit and inauguration numbers unless it is misdirection to distract from the other shit he is doing.
Either way shitlibs, you popular vote "lead" is not going to save you, lmao, ur all gonna die. |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 1:00 PM Author: Judgmental Crystalline School Cafeteria Old Irish Cottage With a coordinated effort by slime ball organizers, how many illegal votes would you estimate are cast? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32447584) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:56 PM Author: impressive community account I have no idea. Not sure how registration works elsewhere - it is pretty easy in CA. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449108) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:00 PM Author: Talented hominid If they could gin up 3-5 Million illegal votes, they could have come up with 100K in the rust belt. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449137) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:06 PM Author: Curious red tattoo site they did, and they STILL lost, shithead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449207) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:13 PM Author: Talented hominid Record citation please. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449276) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 12:59 PM Author: Maize concupiscible background story because there are a shitload more than 3 million illegals here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32447572) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 2:11 PM Author: Crusty Burgundy Sandwich i'm sure nearly half voted for trump (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32448103) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 2:11 PM Author: Heady gold institution knife alternative facts ftw jfc
all of you gas yourselves |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:03 PM Author: Provocative Space Organic Girlfriend It was hilarious when they asked Spicer if Trump planned to investigate any of this and Spicer was like "uhhhhh we'll talk about it?" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32448637) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:06 PM Author: beady-eyed mad cow disease main people The evidence for this is equal to the evidence that xoTrump has reached an agreement with xoPutin to divide Europe right down the middle.
Since there is "no evidence that X didn't happen," should we just start reporting them as probably true? |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:18 PM Author: aromatic underhanded round eye It isn't hard to believe, but there is zero evidence 3mm illegal aliens voted....which is what libs are up in arms about.
It gets old when Trump just literally makes shit up and then runs around spouting it like fact....if he continues to do this, eventually this will affect the US in a very negative way |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:58 PM Author: Curious red tattoo site he lisped (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449120) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:19 PM Author: Stirring lake coffee pot station Doesn't voting in an election provide grounds for deportation ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32448777) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:21 PM Author: aromatic underhanded round eye bad hombres (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32448802) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:20 PM Author: Amethyst Sneaky Criminal i don't think it's impossible. there's some number of people voting who aren't supposed to be voting, but "3-5 million" was pulled out of someone's ass, wasn't it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32448788) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:23 PM Author: aromatic underhanded round eye it isn't impossible that 10mm illegal aliens voted....therefore he should just start saying 10mm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32448814) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:24 PM Author: Amethyst Sneaky Criminal he would want to say something more believable (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32448825) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:23 PM Author: Provocative Space Organic Girlfriend Corresponds shockingly well with the amount of votes trump needed to beat hillary. What a coincidence....almost like this was a complete fabrication to save face. Like a child would do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32448817) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:24 PM Author: Lime cruise ship legend At least 3-5 million. It's probably more. We'll never know because the media refuses to investigate. Very sad! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32448824) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:25 PM Author: Amethyst Sneaky Criminal true. could be as many as 10 million. i've recently heard the number 10 million mentioned. people are saying 10 million. 10 million illegals possibly voted in the election. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32448830) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:29 PM Author: aromatic underhanded round eye I heard 11 million. Might have been 11. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32448881) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:02 PM Author: Lime cruise ship legend Some xo threads are reporting the real number may be as high as 22 million (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449161) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:15 PM Author: aromatic underhanded round eye interesting. I just heard 22 million as well. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449289) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:16 PM Author: Amethyst Sneaky Criminal i've heard it more than once. many, many people are saying this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449297) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:59 PM Author: Curious red tattoo site The POTUS says 3-5 million. MSM says 0. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449129) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:16 PM Author: aromatic underhanded round eye "MSM says 0."
I'm going to go ahead and ask you to provide a link hoss. |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:26 PM Author: bisexual blood rage Legal hispanics barely vote. Lol at illegal guats and hondos rushing to the polls. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32448845) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:28 PM Author: Sexy iridescent temple gunner Illegals had a much bigger incentive to vote Dem. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32448868) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:31 PM Author: bisexual blood rage Ljl. The only gov building they know of is where they get benefits. Lol at guats, hondos, and mxs knowing even where to vote. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32448890) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:47 PM Author: Sexy iridescent temple gunner Yeah it's not like there's a political party with any incentive to give them those instructions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449043) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:55 PM Author: Provocative Space Organic Girlfriend If Trump is so convinced this is occurring why is he deeply opposed to any sort of audits or recounts and why isn't he calling for an investigation?
He either knows it's bullshit or he knows the electoral system is compromised and doesn't care to try to fix it. Neither is good. |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:57 PM Author: Sexy iridescent temple gunner Recounts are timely and cost a lot. They also only give you information on the total vote changes. All Trump needs is for a few examples to surface of illegals voting and he can shatter the shitlibs' insistence that we have a perfect voting system without ID. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449118) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:01 PM Author: Provocative Space Organic Girlfriend Millions of illegal votes are being cast. Doesn't that warrant some kind of investigation? Maybe not a full audit, but something? And yet....President Trump desperately wants to avoid any investigation whatsoever. In fact he ardently opposes it.
Wonder why that is. |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:04 PM Author: Sexy iridescent temple gunner Because he's exaggerating, obviously.
Date: January 24th, 2017 3:31 PM Author: Get Thee to the Gold House
This right here is the point. It's not likely as high as 3 million, but he knows it's a significant number much higher than zero. He always does this but no one seems to catch on. He keeps bringing it up so that the MSM will "take the bait," which they now have. Now people will look into it and find the number was less than 3 million (ZOMG TRUMP IS SUCH A LIAR!!) but more than zero (which will horrify most people). The MSM will think they "got him" while everyone else is focused on a legitimate problem that Trump has now put a spotlight on.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32448887) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:13 PM Author: Provocative Space Organic Girlfriend Interesting theory. I think it's more likely that he's just thin skinned. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449274) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:14 PM Author: Sexy iridescent temple gunner He did this all throughout the campaign. His people are really latching onto this. I don't think this is just sour grapes about the popular vote. He's pulling them toward something. Say what you want about him having NPD or whatever but I think he's got a plan here. We'll see what comes of it I suppose. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449282) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:43 PM Author: Bronze razzle-dazzle hospital While I agree with this, i think you underestimate the amount of DACA type Hispanic illegals who are very politically active and probably voted. Now, obviously this doesn't translate to millions of votes but I wouldn't be surprised if the number of these types were in the 10s of thousands. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449008) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:48 PM Author: bisexual blood rage Tbf, the few DACAs I know keep a super low profile and did not vote. I doubt many DACAs felt comfortable going to the polls (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449047) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:51 PM Author: Bronze razzle-dazzle hospital I don't know where you live, but the DACAs in California, particularly those that attend university, seem to be pretty open about their status. And they are addament anti-trumpmos for obvious reasons. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449068) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:31 PM Author: Light brethren becky Because we ride Barbaro bareback (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32448888) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:55 PM Author: Cobalt jet-lagged office Could control of the Senate in 2014 be decided by illegal votes cast by non-citizens? Some argue that incidents of voting by non-citizens are so rare as to be inconsequential, with efforts to block fraud a screen for an agenda to prevent poor and minority voters from exercising the franchise, while others define such incidents as a threat to democracy itself. Both sides depend more heavily on anecdotes than data.
In a forthcoming article in the journal Electoral Studies, we bring real data from big social science survey datasets to bear on the question of whether, to what extent, and for whom non-citizens vote in U.S. elections. Most non-citizens do not register, let alone vote. But enough do that their participation can change the outcome of close races.
Our data comes from the Cooperative Congressional Election Study (CCES). Its large number of observations (32,800 in 2008 and 55,400 in 2010) provide sufficient samples of the non-immigrant sub-population, with 339 non-citizen respondents in 2008 and 489 in 2010. For the 2008 CCES, we also attempted to match respondents to voter files so that we could verify whether they actually voted.
How many non-citizens participate in U.S. elections? More than 14 percent of non-citizens in both the 2008 and 2010 samples indicated that they were registered to vote. Furthermore, some of these non-citizens voted. Our best guess, based upon extrapolations from the portion of the sample with a verified vote, is that 6.4 percent of non-citizens voted in 2008 and 2.2 percent of non-citizens voted in 2010.
Estimated Voter Turnout by Non-Citizens 2008 2010 Self reported and/or verified 38 (11.3%) 13 (3.5%) Self reported and verified 5 (1.5%) N.A. Adjusted estimate 21 (6.4%) 8 (2.2%)
Because non-citizens tended to favor Democrats (Obama won more than 80 percent of the votes of non-citizens in the 2008 CCES sample), we find that this participation was large enough to plausibly account for Democratic victories in a few close elections. Non-citizen votes could have given Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote needed to overcome filibusters in order to pass health-care reform and other Obama administration priorities in the 111th Congress. Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) won election in 2008 with a victory margin of 312 votes. Votes cast by just 0.65 percent of Minnesota non-citizens could account for this margin. It is also possible that non-citizen votes were responsible for Obama’s 2008 victory in North Carolina. Obama won the state by 14,177 votes, so a turnout by 5.1 percent of North Carolina’s adult non-citizens would have provided this victory margin.
We also find that one of the favorite policies advocated by conservatives to prevent voter fraud appears strikingly ineffective. Nearly three quarters of the non-citizens who indicated they were asked to provide photo identification at the polls claimed to have subsequently voted.
An alternative approach to reducing non-citizen turnout might emphasize public information. Unlike other populations, including naturalized citizens, education is not associated with higher participation among non-citizens. In 2008, non-citizens with less than a college degree were significantly more likely to cast a validated vote, and no non-citizens with a college degree or higher cast a validated vote. This hints at a link between non-citizen voting and lack of awareness about legal barriers.
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There are obvious limitations to our research, which one should take account of when interpreting the results. Although the CCES sample is large, the non-citizen portion of the sample is modest, with the attendant uncertainty associated with sampling error. We analyze only 828 self-reported non-citizens. Self-reports of citizen status might also be a source of error, although the appendix of our paper shows that the racial, geographic, and attitudinal characteristics of non-citizens (and non-citizen voters) are consistent with their self-reported status.
Another possible limitation is the matching process conducted by Catalist to verify registration and turnout drops many non-citizen respondents who cannot be matched. Our adjusted estimate assumes the implication of a “registered” or “voted” response among those who Catalist could not match is the same as for those whom it could. If one questions this assumption, one might focus only on those non-citizens with a reported and validated vote. This is the second line of the table.
Finally, extrapolation to specific state-level or district-level election outcomes is fraught with substantial uncertainty. It is obviously possible that non-citizens in California are more likely to vote than non-citizens in North Carolina, or vice versa. Thus, we are much more confident that non-citizen votes mattered for the Minnesota Senate race (a turnout of little more than one-tenth of our adjusted estimate is all that would be required) than that non-citizen votes changed the outcome in North Carolina.
Our research cannot answer whether the United States should move to legalize some electoral participation by non-citizens as many other countries do, and as some U.S. states did for more than 100 years, or find policies that more effectively restrict it. But this research should move that debate a step closer to a common set of facts.
Jesse Richman is Associate Professor of Political Science and International Studies at Old Dominion University, and Director of the ODU Social Science Research Center. David Earnest is Associate Professor of Political Science and International Studies at Old Dominion University, and Associate Dean for Research & Graduate Studies in the College of Arts and Letters.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2014/10/24/could-non-citizens-decide-the-november-election/?utm_term=.7b3ff4b0d3cf |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:56 PM Author: hairraiser wild abode It's strange seeing XO opinions starting to move away from trump, with a few loyalists holding on "libs are all gonna die".
My cousin was a hardcore trumpmo, fresh out of college and works at the fed as a bank analyst. Yesterday, I told him to watch out, the hiring freezes could mean that his job is in jeopardy. He laughed and told me "bullshit". Today he received an email saying that they may have to pull his job offer, after he's been working there for 6 months. He's in disbelief and I don't want to be a dick with the "I told you so" shit.
Those of us with money/biglaw/good jobs are going to be fine, it's pretty pathetic when we whine that the world is ending. I just know it's going to be sad watching my less-educated, less-monied friends and relatives panic when prices start rising from a trade war etc, and they start realizing that they voted for an idiot purely because they hated the PC shit that's riddled our society.
But no one forced them. They did this to themselves, and part of me will silently enjoy watching it happen. |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:57 PM Author: Bronze razzle-dazzle hospital Stfu (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449111) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:02 PM Author: Curious red tattoo site (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449156) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:57 PM Author: impressive community account #fakenews (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449119) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:01 PM Author: hairraiser wild abode Dignifying this with a response because I've always liked and respected you on this bort. This is the text I got from the fed cousin
http://m.imgur.com/XLNYeHn |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:12 PM Author: impressive community account lol well then his sacrifice will be appreciated! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449262) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 3:59 PM Author: Light brethren becky The coming trade war will be the ultimate ass rape for the proles (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449128) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:00 PM Author: aggressive hairy legs idiot If he could get net exports up it would help maybe a million of them (sounds like a lot but not many in our yuge economy). Too bad a yugely strong $$$ based on his own policy positions is going to undercut any efforts and we're likely to see an even larger trade deficit under Trump. Ljl. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449142) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:02 PM Author: Provocative Space Organic Girlfriend Also the tpp would have, ironically, increased exports. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449164) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:04 PM Author: aggressive hairy legs idiot I don't know a ton about TPP but it seems like it was mostly an IP deal, which would help monopolist shitheads more than anything, and my impression it was maybe more important for trying to isolate China than anything else (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449180) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:01 PM Author: bisexual blood rage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449146) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:00 PM Author: bisexual blood rage BS. Freeze only impacts vacant positions as of Jan 22. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449139) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:01 PM Author: hairraiser wild abode http://m.imgur.com/XLNYeHn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449151) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:02 PM Author: racy rigor location lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449159) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:04 PM Author: bisexual blood rage I guess the fed isn't following trump's memo. Good on them for being more conservative. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449177) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:05 PM Author: hairraiser wild abode To be honest, I was surprised. Part of me thought that this would only happen if he repealed dodd frank or something. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449195) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:01 PM Author: Saffron senate crotch (vapid mouthbreathing idiot) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449147) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:09 PM Author: hairraiser wild abode Says the guy who just poasted that there is no evidence of evolution. Take a lap faggot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449226) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 5:32 PM Author: Saffron senate crotch link to proof of evolution? link to no evidence of illegals voting? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449962) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:01 PM Author: racy rigor location Fuck you and your low IQ government leech cousin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449149) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:00 PM Author: stimulating misanthropic foreskin nursing home Well there's no proof.
Also, if you've ever spent time with illegals you'd know they try to keep as low a profile as possible for fear of triggering some sequence of events that will get then deported. I really don't see them taking any kind of risks to register their identity and illegally vote when there is virtually no benefit to doing so. |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:02 PM Author: Saffron senate crotch link to proof of evolution? link to proof that fetuses aren't human? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449158) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:02 PM Author: bisexual blood rage BEEP BEEP BEEP (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449165) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:07 PM Author: hairraiser wild abode (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449213) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:04 PM Author: Curious red tattoo site (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449176) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:06 PM Author: self-centered antidepressant drug this poast is evidence against human evolution (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449204) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:02 PM Author: bisexual blood rage This is what I have seen, first hand. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449160) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:04 PM Author: Curious red tattoo site (actual wetback) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449178) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:03 PM Author: Curious red tattoo site yeah because the thousands upon thousands of illegals literally mugging people, murdering people, raping people, participating in MS-13, etc keep a real "low profile" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449169) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:06 PM Author: bisexual blood rage Lol at murderers lining up to vote.
In fact, I saw 3 MS13 tatted up hombres waiting with me during early voting. I talked with one and he said he wanted to be sure his vote counted. |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:07 PM Author: hairraiser wild abode Lol ran here. News would have a field day with all the MS 13 face tattoos at the polling centers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449209) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:20 PM Author: stimulating misanthropic foreskin nursing home Yeah I was referring to generally law abiding illegals, though the murderers and rapists probably also aren't voting. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449349) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:25 PM Author: hairraiser wild abode cr.
Meant to reply to the ms 13 mentioner |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:10 PM Author: Bronze razzle-dazzle hospital Specifically regarding California, aren't they already "registered" if they apply for a State ID? Also, if they are participating in a program such as DACA , they are already part of a national registry. I just don't think it's as much a detterrant as you may think. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449244) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:11 PM Author: hairraiser wild abode http://www.snopes.com/california-motor-voter-act/
In sum, yeah, there are loopholes |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:19 PM Author: Bronze razzle-dazzle hospital Well I just skimmed it, but it seems to say that non-US citizens won't automatically be put on the voting rolls just by applying for the State ID. But since all you need to register to vote in California is a state ID, I don't see why you cant just subsequently register after you get your ID. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449338) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:22 PM Author: hairraiser wild abode That's the gist. It's definitely possible, but highly improbable that mexis would be utilizing the loopholes en masse. I did naturalization screening in law school during my SA pro bono shit, most of these people can barely read english. Lol @ them taking the time out to reaearch loopholes. They're also scared as shit & rightfully so that registering would be a quick deportation.
Side note/funny story, one of the people I screened had like 4 DUIs and some other felonious shit, I dinged him right to his face and reported him |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:28 PM Author: stimulating misanthropic foreskin nursing home Exactly. Lol at the non-English speaking Mexican bus boys and maids who risked their lives to get here lining up at polling stations to vote. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449433) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:37 PM Author: Bronze razzle-dazzle hospital I agree with you that it is highly unlikely that a recent Mexican immigrant would take the initiative on his own to jump to through hoops necessary to vote, but, without sounding too consipratorial, I'm sure there are turn out the vote organizations that target Hispanic communities to register and purposely don't inquire too much about citizenship, if you know what I mean.
Additionally, there is a decent sized demographic of DACA types who have prb been here all their life, might be in university and are very politicallly active, like many other college students. In California, there are likely thousands of these types that voted.
I'm not saying that all this amounted to millions of votes that cost Donald the popular vote, but it's funny to hear people claim that illegals NEVER vote. A decent number of them prb do.
180 story btw. |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:48 PM Author: hairraiser wild abode Agree with everything in your poast. There are definitely la raza style orgs that advocate for illegal bretheren to vote...I just think the scale that it's occurring at is very, very low.
Great point with the DACA types. That absolutely happens, I just don't think there are enough of them to make a difference. If anything, I think CA's numbers just show how much the state hates DT. Almost everyone I know (white collar circle) despises him. This is much more likely than a widespread illegal push against trump in CA where they know that we're going blue regardless |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 5:29 PM Author: Bronze razzle-dazzle hospital I think we are on the same page with this. The only thing I would add is that the media is playing a dangerous game with Trump when they say things like, "LOL how can he even SUGGEST that illegals voted in this election." Whether or not it was 3 million is irrelevant. All it takes is for one leaked/hacked document from a state DNC official or group like La Raza detailing efforts to get undocumenteds to vote and Trump wins. It's all about optics at that point. The media has overplayed their hand relative to Trump numerous times. They still don't really appreciate the Bannon types around Trump who understand this game. They are setting themselves up to be embarrassed again.
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:11 PM Author: self-centered antidepressant drug In terms of numbers, for starters, there aren't even 3 million illegal immigrants TOTAL in California, and that includes children. When you see what at outlandish claim it is just to start with, it's hard to take seriously. And don't give me this "by 3 million he actually just means x number, politicians exaggerate bullshit." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449250) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:17 PM Author: Saffron senate crotch 1) there are likely way more than 3m illegals in California 2) he didn't say all the illegal votes came from California 3) yes he probably was exaggerating. what the fuck is "don't give me this"? supposed to mean? don't give you things that fail to comport with your deranged liberal mindset? shut up idiot |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:23 PM Author: hairraiser wild abode (Undereducated creationist) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449377) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:28 PM Author: Talented hominid 1-newsmax says your wrong.http://www.newsmax.com/FastFeatures/illegal-immigration-California/2015/09/14/id/691462/ 2-where did they come from then? Immigration friendly places like Arizona and Texas? 3-#factsmatterwhenurpres |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:29 PM Author: stimulating misanthropic foreskin nursing home There are fewer, and many of them are under 18. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449442) |
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Date: January 24th, 2017 4:41 PM Author: Maize concupiscible background story illegal waiting to become 18 so he can vote illegally (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3502105&forum_id=2#32449543) |