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I hate white-collar professionals who can't hack it in the rat race, quit, and

Then disguise their failures with ..."yeah I used to wo...
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jade nowag shrine
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chill out ted
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Supple judgmental heaven cuck
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jade nowag shrine
  02/19/17
(3L who will last 2 years tops in biglaw)
cerebral indian lodge
  02/19/17
he's not even in law school anymore iirc
Chartreuse sadistic famous landscape painting twinkling uncleanness
  02/19/17
LJL He also couldn't even get into a good lawl school
Sexy Razzmatazz Menage Sound Barrier
  02/21/17
hi, i sucked at that life, dropped out, went into academia a...
Fragrant disgusting legend
  02/19/17
You sound butthurt
jade nowag shrine
  02/19/17
no...i sucked at being a lawyer. if i stuck it out, i would...
Fragrant disgusting legend
  02/19/17
you're the librarian bro right? cot damn im jelly
Sexy Razzmatazz Menage Sound Barrier
  02/21/17
180
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deep corn cake
  02/19/17
There's definitely truth to this especially in law. 100% of ...
wine forum
  02/19/17
This is absolutely not true
High-end library
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Sexy Razzmatazz Menage Sound Barrier
  02/21/17
Jesus no. Any job where value is priced in hours spent is ho...
Adventurous Avocado Associate
  02/19/17
CR
jade nowag shrine
  02/19/17
As a practical matter, "hours" = # of hours report...
pontificating vivacious national
  02/19/17
IOW hours based billing just means that INDIVIDUALS, not fir...
pontificating vivacious national
  02/19/17
Law as a field is dominated by some of the worst incentive s...
Adventurous Avocado Associate
  02/19/17
CR
jade nowag shrine
  02/19/17
There's just too much grinding and exhaustion in biglaw prac...
Sexy Razzmatazz Menage Sound Barrier
  02/21/17
No way
Iridescent fanboi
  02/19/17
You're lying
wine forum
  02/19/17
If you vary the hypo to something with more relevance to the...
passionate magical theater
  02/19/17
Have been grinding for 9 years. Fortuitous penguin, etc.....
harsh honey-headed crackhouse
  02/19/17
LOL NO I am far too lazy and value my free time.
Sexy Razzmatazz Menage Sound Barrier
  02/21/17
You have such a weird schtick
High-end library
  02/19/17
(literally a guy who rails against "wagecucks" in ...
Hairraiser mint abode depressive
  02/19/17
(literal wagecuck)
jade nowag shrine
  02/19/17
guess you are too thick to realize that you are effectively ...
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Chartreuse sadistic famous landscape painting twinkling uncleanness
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violent odious death wish meetinghouse
  02/19/17
Calm down, Cohen
jade nowag shrine
  02/19/17
a lot of times when people say "i hate something",...
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Adventurous Avocado Associate
  02/19/17
bro they have me another 50k stock option (4 year vest) afte...
thriller persian haunted graveyard
  02/19/17
Your age?
jade nowag shrine
  02/19/17
32
thriller persian haunted graveyard
  02/19/17
If you're solid, they should refresh regularly. If they don'...
Adventurous Avocado Associate
  02/19/17
wow nice. thanks for the tip man.
thriller persian haunted graveyard
  02/19/17
No worries. Another big thing to keep an eye out for is the ...
Adventurous Avocado Associate
  02/19/17
refreshed?
harsh honey-headed crackhouse
  02/19/17
180
soul-stirring maniacal legal warrant brunch
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(Freud)
jade nowag shrine
  02/19/17
easy there Sigmund, you'll blow an artery
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You know, it's possible that not getting BIGLAW was a huge f...
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Right but you don't feel the need to lie about why you are w...
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  02/19/17
You know what it takes to sell real estate? It takes brass b...
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  02/19/17
Failure is not easy to deal with man. Leave those guys alone...
deep corn cake
  02/19/17
ITT: dopey dumb dumb talk
Brindle bat shit crazy international law enforcement agency
  02/20/17
Reminder. The Op made several posts that he was gunning hard...
rusted center
  02/20/17
Didn't he attend a TTT?
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I heard UC irvine. Pretty pathetic for an AA spic in this a...
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This is dumb, bro. Many biglawyers drop out because they com...
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People just hate change and disruption until it's forced upo...
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((()))
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OP: "If the job would have been more psychologically...
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Date: February 19th, 2017 3:17 PM
Author: jade nowag shrine

Then disguise their failures with ..."yeah I used to work for a major corporation, but then realized there is more to life than just money..." When in reality they would have loved to stay at their company if they had gotten promoted, gotten a raise, been able to compete with co-workers...

These ppl are filth and think they're above everyone.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32655763)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 6:07 PM
Author: at-the-ready stimulating public bath trust fund



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656885)



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Date: December 1st, 2018 6:21 PM
Author: rambunctious stead



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#37333403)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 3:20 PM
Author: jade nowag shrine



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32655789)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 3:21 PM
Author: jade nowag shrine



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32655797)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 3:22 PM
Author: shimmering garrison nibblets

chill out ted

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32655799)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:14 PM
Author: Supple judgmental heaven cuck



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656495)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 4:55 PM
Author: jade nowag shrine



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656401)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 4:55 PM
Author: cerebral indian lodge

(3L who will last 2 years tops in biglaw)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656407)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 4:57 PM
Author: Chartreuse sadistic famous landscape painting twinkling uncleanness

he's not even in law school anymore iirc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656418)



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Date: February 21st, 2017 2:26 PM
Author: Sexy Razzmatazz Menage Sound Barrier

LJL

He also couldn't even get into a good lawl school

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32669766)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 4:58 PM
Author: Fragrant disgusting legend

hi, i sucked at that life, dropped out, went into academia and have a life most people envy at 1/3 the salary. sup?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656424)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:13 PM
Author: jade nowag shrine

You sound butthurt

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656491)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 10:07 PM
Author: Fragrant disgusting legend

no...i sucked at being a lawyer. if i stuck it out, i would have been shitcanned and miserable. now im pretty happy even if i'm relatively broke. these are the tradeoffs one makes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32658466)



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Date: February 21st, 2017 2:48 PM
Author: Sexy Razzmatazz Menage Sound Barrier

you're the librarian bro right?

cot damn im jelly

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32670000)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:29 PM
Author: submissive poppy rehab wrinkle

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656591)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 11:32 PM
Author: deep corn cake



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32659028)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:14 PM
Author: wine forum

There's definitely truth to this especially in law. 100% of associates would grind for 10 years if there was a guaranteed v10 equity partnership at the end

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656496)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:16 PM
Author: High-end library

This is absolutely not true

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656505)



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Date: February 21st, 2017 2:27 PM
Author: Sexy Razzmatazz Menage Sound Barrier



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32669779)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:18 PM
Author: Adventurous Avocado Associate

Jesus no. Any job where value is priced in hours spent is horrible.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656521)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:24 PM
Author: jade nowag shrine

CR

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656557)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:58 PM
Author: pontificating vivacious national

As a practical matter, "hours" = # of hours reported = # of hours ppl think they can get away with reporting = in expectation, the max # of hours that can be reported without being flagged by whatever fraud detection devices one reasonably expects will be used.

Hence it would be perfectly reasonable for a firm to separate their tangible work production, from their hours reporting. And it is just as rational to do this on an individual level.

Yet people grind themselves down trying to robotically meet a rigid hours hours requirement, when they could invest in increasing their personal efficiency, meet the facetime requirements, and then report the same number of hours.

Surely this is due to the sort of childish manichean thinking that runs rampant among lawyers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656833)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 6:01 PM
Author: pontificating vivacious national

IOW hours based billing just means that INDIVIDUALS, not firms and clients, get to reap the benefits of innovation (real efficiency gains). Hence if anything it is a cause for celebration if you are an innovative individual - you can get a steady paycheck and advance without getting more work heaped on you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656852)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 6:10 PM
Author: Adventurous Avocado Associate

Law as a field is dominated by some of the worst incentive structures I have ever seen.

I remember trying to convince my firm to drop my hours requirement in exchange for bringing in additional work (since I was better at building a book than grinding away). They weren't willing to compromise.

I left.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656908)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 8:22 PM
Author: jade nowag shrine

CR

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32657774)



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Date: February 21st, 2017 2:30 PM
Author: Sexy Razzmatazz Menage Sound Barrier

There's just too much grinding and exhaustion in biglaw practice....the detail orientedness is awful and exhausting, the ASAP fire drills, the on call, the hours, etc.

Also it literally wastes away your entire youth. Most senior biglawyers are disgusting physical specimens of obesity, baldness, etc. ....so gross.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32669816)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:25 PM
Author: Iridescent fanboi

No way

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656568)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 9:25 PM
Author: wine forum

You're lying

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32658138)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 10:42 PM
Author: passionate magical theater

If you vary the hypo to something with more relevance to the biglaw business model and that's more appealing it's still a somewhat tough call. e.g. 2nd year associate has college buddy who randomly hits it big and now 2nd year controls a $15M book of business. This is basically the dream biglaw scenario and it would still involve supervising a huge volume of boring ass nonsense that 2nd year's buddy would not give two shits about, but 2nd year would have to supervise properly or he could end up fucking over his friend and being disbarred. 2nd year is having to fend off another partner every week trying to get a taste, and play all the politics to make sure they get a fair share of profits. There are just much better ways to make a living.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32658693)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 11:25 PM
Author: harsh honey-headed crackhouse

Have been grinding for 9 years.

Fortuitous penguin, etc...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32658979)



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Date: February 21st, 2017 2:26 PM
Author: Sexy Razzmatazz Menage Sound Barrier

LOL NO

I am far too lazy and value my free time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32669772)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:15 PM
Author: High-end library

You have such a weird schtick

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656503)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:16 PM
Author: Hairraiser mint abode depressive

(literally a guy who rails against "wagecucks" in spite after failing in his bid for a white-collar career)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656506)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:19 PM
Author: jade nowag shrine

(literal wagecuck)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656529)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:22 PM
Author: Hairraiser mint abode depressive

guess you are too thick to realize that you are effectively describing yourself in op

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656547)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:23 PM
Author: Chartreuse sadistic famous landscape painting twinkling uncleanness



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656549)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:26 PM
Author: violent odious death wish meetinghouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656573)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:32 PM
Author: jade nowag shrine

Calm down, Cohen

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656622)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:21 PM
Author: thriller persian haunted graveyard

a lot of times when people say "i hate something", it's usually they hating something about themselves which they project to something else.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656544)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:23 PM
Author: Adventurous Avocado Associate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656552)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:43 PM
Author: thriller persian haunted graveyard

bro they have me another 50k stock option (4 year vest) after i had worked there for 11 month.. the second option sheet 5x'ed the first option sheet in price.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656708)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:51 PM
Author: jade nowag shrine

Your age?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656777)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:56 PM
Author: thriller persian haunted graveyard

32

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656813)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:55 PM
Author: Adventurous Avocado Associate

If you're solid, they should refresh regularly. If they don't then vest into your first cliff and bail unless things are going super well.

Our first employee (who has been crushing it) has been refreshed 3x in his first year. Dude is killing himself for the cause and he deserves the recognition.

EDIT: I'm also big on refreshing and adjusting salary proactively. Find it has a way larger impact. We've had 0 people leave willingly in ~18months

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656799)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:56 PM
Author: thriller persian haunted graveyard

wow nice. thanks for the tip man.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656811)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 6:07 PM
Author: Adventurous Avocado Associate

No worries. Another big thing to keep an eye out for is the 409a price versus the last round as well as the % you get rather than the raw number of shares.

Generally, joining after Series A isn't a great idea unless the company is super well positioned or if you are there for career progression rather than trying to hit a jackpot.

Glad to hear you're out there making it happen.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656884)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 11:24 PM
Author: harsh honey-headed crackhouse

refreshed?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32658971)



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Date: February 20th, 2017 1:21 AM
Author: soul-stirring maniacal legal warrant brunch

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32659679)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 5:24 PM
Author: jade nowag shrine

(Freud)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32656556)



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Date: December 1st, 2018 6:54 PM
Author: insecure lascivious liquid oxygen degenerate

easy there Sigmund, you'll blow an artery

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#37333540)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 10:43 PM
Author: Amethyst aromatic tanning salon

You know, it's possible that not getting BIGLAW was a huge failure on my part, AND that my life is better because of it. Both of those things could be true.

In fact, I believe both are.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32658701)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 11:31 PM
Author: deep corn cake

Right but you don't feel the need to lie about why you are where you are.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32659022)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 11:06 PM
Author: unholy maize chapel

You know what it takes to sell real estate? It takes brass balls to sell real estate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32658850)



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Date: February 19th, 2017 11:30 PM
Author: deep corn cake

Failure is not easy to deal with man. Leave those guys alone.

It's understandable that people have a need to rationalize their fates internally and also not want to be viewed as a failure by others.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32659012)



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Date: February 20th, 2017 1:25 AM
Author: Brindle bat shit crazy international law enforcement agency

ITT: dopey dumb dumb talk

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32659684)



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Date: February 20th, 2017 2:34 AM
Author: rusted center

Reminder. The Op made several posts that he was gunning hard for big law. Even with affirmative action this spic couldn't cop biglaw

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32659805)



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Date: February 21st, 2017 2:27 PM
Author: Sexy Razzmatazz Menage Sound Barrier

Didn't he attend a TTT?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32669784)



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Date: February 21st, 2017 2:47 PM
Author: Histrionic carnelian casino

I heard UC irvine. Pretty pathetic for an AA spic in this application cycle

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32669989)



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Date: February 21st, 2017 2:10 PM
Author: jade nowag shrine



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32669618)



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Date: February 21st, 2017 2:20 PM
Author: jade nowag shrine



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32669723)



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Date: February 21st, 2017 2:28 PM
Author: Sexy Razzmatazz Menage Sound Barrier

This is dumb, bro. Many biglawyers drop out because they come from family money or married rich and no longer need to grind. Reminder: not working for money >>>> working for money.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32669790)



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Date: February 21st, 2017 2:28 PM
Author: orange rebellious kitty coldplay fan

People just hate change and disruption until it's forced upon them. Those who are successful at a job tend to care a lot more than those who fail.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32669791)



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Date: February 21st, 2017 2:39 PM
Author: mind-boggling tantric orchestra pit

((()))

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32669927)



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Date: February 21st, 2017 2:43 PM
Author: fear-inspiring insanely creepy cuckoldry

OP:

"If the job would have been more psychologically, socially, and financially rewarding, the cost-benefit analysis would have changed."

Great insight.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32669963)



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Date: February 21st, 2017 2:45 PM
Author: Sexy Razzmatazz Menage Sound Barrier



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32669977)



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Date: February 21st, 2017 2:49 PM
Author: Razzle Headpube Market

depends on whether they seem like they've found something they genuinely think is more important to do with their lives or if they are obviously rationalizing away their failures

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#32670006)



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Date: December 1st, 2018 6:19 PM
Author: wine forum



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3530729&forum_id=2#37333392)