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You could learn to speak Dutch in a few weeks on Duolingo. Very easy
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Date: February 27th, 2017 7:39 PM Author: Fuchsia Stubborn Point Very similar to english.
I drink milk = ik drink melk |
Date: February 27th, 2017 7:40 PM Author: Buff trip trailer park doctorate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3538312&forum_id=2#32714812) |
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Date: February 27th, 2017 7:42 PM Author: Fuchsia Stubborn Point ik eet brood
No this isnt a korean vampire, thats how you say "i eat bread" |
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Date: February 27th, 2017 7:42 PM Author: tan 180 boltzmann nursing home https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeC1yAaWG34
Closest to English is I think Frisian
still, because of the Norman Yoke, English vocabulary diverged quite a bit from other GErmanic languages |
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Date: February 27th, 2017 7:43 PM Author: Provocative striped hyena hall you forgot SCOTS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3538312&forum_id=2#32714827) |
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Date: February 27th, 2017 7:45 PM Author: tan 180 boltzmann nursing home Right that is if you consider Scots its own language, which admittedly is pretty damn fine line.
Still, it's descended from Middle English and is a post-Norman development- I've read some arguing that Middle English was in essence a pidgin between NOrman and Old English, although I think it's a fringe position at this point |
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Date: February 27th, 2017 7:48 PM Author: Fuchsia Stubborn Point Scots is a dialect (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3538312&forum_id=2#32714851) |
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Date: February 27th, 2017 7:55 PM Author: tan 180 boltzmann nursing home Some say it's a language.
There really isn't much a difference between a dialenct and a language though- a language is a dialect with an army and a navy.
More differences between different "dialects" of Chinese than some Romance languages, and the Scandinavian "languages"
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Date: February 27th, 2017 8:01 PM Author: Fuchsia Stubborn Point Its absolutely not a language (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3538312&forum_id=2#32714920) |
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Date: February 27th, 2017 11:24 PM Author: Fiercely-loyal stirring mad-dog skullcap dopamine A language is a dialect with an army and a navy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3538312&forum_id=2#32716318) |
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Date: February 28th, 2017 12:40 AM Author: tan 180 boltzmann nursing home (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3538312&forum_id=2#32716726) |
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Date: February 27th, 2017 7:44 PM Author: galvanic dilemma https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_intelligibility This only notes Scots |
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Date: February 27th, 2017 7:46 PM Author: tan 180 boltzmann nursing home Yeah it's not that mutually intelligible because of the NOrmans.
Huge changes in vocabulary after the Norman invasion.
The great vowel shift also contributed to the unintelligibility between English and other Germanic languages |
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Date: February 27th, 2017 7:48 PM Author: galvanic dilemma So Frisian was unimpacted? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3538312&forum_id=2#32714855) |
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Date: February 27th, 2017 7:52 PM Author: tan 180 boltzmann nursing home Stayed mostly germanic.
Norman influence just even in this sentence is yuge.
the words "influence" "sentence" all from Normans
The shift from Old English to Middle English is reallly really big. We can sort of read Chaucer- but reading Beowulf in its original text is like another language. This is the Lord's Prayer in Old English:
(900~1100)
Fæder ure þu þe eart on heofonum si þin nama gehalgod tobecume þin rice gewurþe þin willa on eorðan swa swa on heofonum urne gedæghwamlican hlaf syle us to dæg and forgyf us ure gyltas swa swa we forgyfað urum gyltendum and ne gelæd þu us on costnunge ac alys us of yfele soþlice.
vs. in Middle English (~1380)
Oure fadir that art in heuenes, halewid be thi name thi kyndoom come to be thi wille don in erthe as in heuene gyue to us this dai oure breed ouer othir substaunce and forgyue to us oure dettis, as we forgyuen to oure gettouris and lede us not in to temptacioun, but delyuere us fro yuel.
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Date: February 27th, 2017 7:54 PM Author: Fuchsia Stubborn Point A lot of this is due to orthography (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3538312&forum_id=2#32714876) |
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Date: February 27th, 2017 7:57 PM Author: tan 180 boltzmann nursing home Not really- grammar is much different too- especially the use of "to" and the existence of noun cases in old english.
Also like i said, changes in vocabulary are huuuge.
A lot of the words we use daily come from NOrmans, especially in academic settings.
But even stuff like beef, pork vs. cows n swine.
Beef/pork are all French b/c it was the nobles that ate them, but Anglo-Saxons were the poor farmers that raised cows n swine.
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Date: February 27th, 2017 8:02 PM Author: Fuchsia Stubborn Point Im well aware this is all basic stuff. But spell those words with modern orthography and its not nearly as confounding (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3538312&forum_id=2#32714931) |
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Date: February 27th, 2017 8:12 PM Author: orange school (guy who's never studied Old English)
Orthography is part of it, but it hardly even starts to cover it. Orthography in Middle English almost wholly "fixes" it, some words are odd and occasionally word order seems funny, but it's comprehensible. Orthography for OE, especially texts not written for instruction, doesn't even scratch it.
However, both OE and Old Norse are 180 to study. |
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Date: February 27th, 2017 8:16 PM Author: Fuchsia Stubborn Point Its not a breeze but if you know enough about root words and sound changes you can piece it together. Just knowing eth and thorn gives you a good base (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3538312&forum_id=2#32715016) |
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Date: February 27th, 2017 8:39 PM Author: tan 180 boltzmann nursing home (guy who knows what gedaeghwamlican means) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3538312&forum_id=2#32715164) |
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Date: February 27th, 2017 8:30 PM Author: Yellow keepsake machete sound barrier Dutch is complicated as fuck. There's no fucking way. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3538312&forum_id=2#32715113) |
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Date: February 27th, 2017 11:06 PM Author: Fuchsia Stubborn Point No it isnt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3538312&forum_id=2#32716185) |
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Date: February 27th, 2017 11:05 PM Author: jet bearded sanctuary Honkball
Doodslag |
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Date: February 28th, 2017 11:30 AM Author: soul-stirring dark resort milk (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3538312&forum_id=2#32718685) |
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Date: February 28th, 2017 11:37 AM Author: Khaki Field Brethren (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3538312&forum_id=2#32718734) |
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Date: February 27th, 2017 11:23 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle Lilac Piazza one weird trick (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3538312&forum_id=2#32716314) |
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Date: February 28th, 2017 11:31 AM Author: elite passionate property juggernaut Yes, I'll be fucking 6'4 Nedersloots in no time! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3538312&forum_id=2#32718691) |
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Date: February 28th, 2017 11:38 AM Author: Khaki Field Brethren JFC are the Dutch the most attractive people on earth? It's the only place where the average height for males is 6 feet. Would love to get up in some 6 foot blonde Dutch woman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3538312&forum_id=2#32718752) |