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We all agree that we need a single payer "safety net" right?
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Date: March 7th, 2017 12:25 PM Author: maroon nighttime windowlicker theater stage That's the only reasonable way we are going to cover poors in this country at a very basic level (and somehow or another they need to be covered or they end up fucking shit up more). And then middle and upper class folks can go get more insurance if they want it?
Would kill the health insurance market (and economic growth), but fuck it, right? They are useless blood sucking leaches anyway.
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Date: March 7th, 2017 12:30 PM Author: Filthy Diverse Puppy Spot Given where we are, it's probably easier for us transition to some type of government option that operates along side private insurance that is regulated. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3546061&forum_id=2#32773684) |
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Date: March 7th, 2017 12:32 PM Author: bisexual marketing idea patrolman I would like that if there's a way to do it while still maintaining a vibrant private healthcare market (whether or not that is insurance based). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3546061&forum_id=2#32773703) |
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Date: March 7th, 2017 12:35 PM Author: maroon nighttime windowlicker theater stage There still can be a vibrant private health care market. I'm just talking about the payer, not the payee....
It should squeeze the shit out of hospital bloat though. No reason so many high paid execs are needed for each hospital....
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Date: March 7th, 2017 12:49 PM Author: bisexual marketing idea patrolman My concern is that if the government-sponsored plan is good enough (from an individual user's perspective), hardly anyone will pay extra for private healthcare/insurance, so there will be a very small market.
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Date: March 7th, 2017 12:37 PM Author: vermilion resort No. Let the poors figure out how to care for themselves if they value their lives. You have no right to rob from me so that you can feel like you are helping your inferiors. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3546061&forum_id=2#32773737) |
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Date: March 7th, 2017 12:40 PM Author: maroon nighttime windowlicker theater stage that sounds great, but in the end we are all paying for it one way or another....single payer for basic shit will allow you to pay less.
You are currently getting ass raped by the hospitals. Single payer will mean we all will get less ass raped. |
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Date: March 7th, 2017 12:42 PM Author: Apoplectic athletic conference Only because hospitals are required to care for the indigent at gunpoint. Why should they be forced to fix someone who intentionally drinks themselves to near death for the 4th time this month? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3546061&forum_id=2#32773781) |
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Date: March 7th, 2017 12:47 PM Author: maroon nighttime windowlicker theater stage I don't know, but that part isn't going to change, so thinking of actual solutions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3546061&forum_id=2#32773812) |
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Date: March 7th, 2017 12:52 PM Author: Big mad cow disease electric furnace (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3546061&forum_id=2#32773852) |
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Date: March 7th, 2017 12:51 PM Author: Big mad cow disease electric furnace Under the current system the government pays for them to get care anyway (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3546061&forum_id=2#32773845) |
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Date: March 7th, 2017 12:39 PM Author: sick genital piercing so I get to pay more in taxes, still pay out the ass for insurance (which will continue to increase every year), and have poors using and clogging up the same healthcare networks I use?
eat a fucking dick |
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Date: March 7th, 2017 12:41 PM Author: Glassy Nowag Yes and no. Yes, but if some assfuck prole comes in to an emergency room with a fucking FLU or a Strep throat or sprained ankle, turn them away and send them a bill as a penalty. People need to learn that THERE IS NO NEED FOR MEDICAL CARE UNLESS YOU HAVE A SERIOUS INJURY OR ILLNESS. Soft tissue injuries, flus, colds and throat / respiratory infections of any kind are simply NEVER warrant a trip to a doctor unless you're HIV+ or 85 years old.
I also think that any single payer healthy care system or insurance SHOULD NOT should not cover lifestyle illnesses like diabetes or gout.
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Date: March 7th, 2017 12:57 PM Author: maroon nighttime windowlicker theater stage The first point is tough....who the fucks knows if their flu is just a flu, or really something much worse. That's kind of why we need Doctors. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3546061&forum_id=2#32773890) |
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Date: March 7th, 2017 12:58 PM Author: Glassy Nowag THERE IS NOTHING SERIOUS AND REASONABLY COMMON THAT MIMICS FLU SYMPTOMS.
Meanwhile, every year 100% of people get the flu (with varying degrees of symptoms).
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Date: March 7th, 2017 1:01 PM Author: smoky razzle tank sex offender You sound like a genius.
How about the symptoms of meningitis? |
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Date: March 7th, 2017 1:06 PM Author: Glassy Nowag Even if you go to a hospital early on, they will assume it's a flu. They don't diagnose it as meningitis until you're realllly fucked up beyond what a flu will do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3546061&forum_id=2#32773983) |
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Date: March 7th, 2017 1:04 PM Author: maroon nighttime windowlicker theater stage I will say that I want to bitch slap someone when they tell me that they, for whatever reason, don't get the flu shot.... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3546061&forum_id=2#32773961) |
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Date: March 7th, 2017 1:07 PM Author: Glassy Nowag I'm inconsistent. Not worthwhile for me since I have good flu genetics. I never "get the flu" (Realistically, 100% of people get the flu every year -- it's just a matter of whether they have TTT flu genetics or not). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3546061&forum_id=2#32773997) |
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Date: March 7th, 2017 1:07 PM Author: bat shit crazy obsidian rehab cumskin WTF dood, shit like Anthrax, Lyme Disease, salmonella poisoning, MERS, HIV, SARS etc, etc all present with flu-like symptoms.
you seem dumb |
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Date: March 7th, 2017 1:08 PM Author: Glassy Nowag Yes. And with 100% of those, if you go to the hospital at the time you have "flu like symptoms" they will just assume you have the flu and send you home. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3546061&forum_id=2#32773999) |
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Date: March 7th, 2017 1:09 PM Author: bat shit crazy obsidian rehab cumskin well I guess you have it all figured out man
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Date: March 7th, 2017 1:12 PM Author: Glassy Nowag Obviously I'm being hyperbolic. But there is a serious problem with people going to the doctor / clinic / ER for obviously non-serious illness / injury.
Bigger problem is lifestyle-induces chronic illness (eg fatasses and their diabetes). |
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Date: March 7th, 2017 1:09 PM Author: Glassy Nowag Also, at least a few of those do not have flu like symtoms. The flu is a respiratory infection. The "stomach flu" is not a real thing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3546061&forum_id=2#32774009) |
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Date: March 7th, 2017 1:10 PM Author: Jade dingle berry organic girlfriend the real question is how many diseases there are which look like the flu to most people but where a doctor would be able to tell the difference using his standard diagnostic procedures which don't include testing for a bunch of rare diseases which are not the problem 99.99% of the time
also people are going to get MAF at the medical system any time they are misdiagnosed even if the only way to even sort-of prevent that is testing everybody for everything which is economically unfeasible |
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Date: March 7th, 2017 1:09 PM Author: smoky razzle tank sex offender No.
Employers need to accept that healthy employees are fundamental to their own success. They should be forced to cover employees insurance at 100% employer paid with no deductibles (only manageable $100 copays).
And if they layoff an employee, they should continue to pay for their insurance for 6 months or until they employee find another job. If the person is fired or resign, they'll be fully responsible for their own insurance
Self employed should pay the full cost of their own insurance but should have the option to have cheap catastrophic coverages. If you do not have insurance, you should be denied treatment- period |
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Date: March 7th, 2017 1:11 PM Author: maroon nighttime windowlicker theater stage As long as that happens, we all keep getting raped by insurance companies and hospitals....just technically indirectly, since it is really our employer who gets raped. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3546061&forum_id=2#32774022) |
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Date: March 7th, 2017 1:14 PM Author: smoky razzle tank sex offender Not really, if people have affordable coverage without 5k deductables, they're more likely to get screens and treated early on so they don't suddenly have heart attacks and spend 40 days in the ICU (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3546061&forum_id=2#32774058) |
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Date: March 7th, 2017 1:19 PM Author: sick genital piercing large employer plans are mostly self funded so it's really just hospitals gaping them (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3546061&forum_id=2#32774093) |
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Date: March 7th, 2017 1:17 PM Author: frisky gold sanctuary Congrats bro, you've managed to simultaneously raise unemployment while also institutionalizing rising costs. Two fer two! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3546061&forum_id=2#32774068) |