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Problem with America - people are no longer ashamed to be victims or beggars

I was thinking this while taking a shit just now. Men use...
drunken maize lodge hairy legs
  03/16/17
"Also some of you shitheads embarrass yourselves beggin...
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  03/16/17
i was tempted to buy a few, but I have no idea how to even s...
drunken maize lodge hairy legs
  03/16/17
yah stay out tbf just use coinbase.com. its easy as shit.
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No faggot Earl is right
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  03/16/17
stfu earl
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  03/16/17
Simmer down earl
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What did he say that was wrong?
Multi-colored Walnut Wagecucks
  03/16/17
What kind of self-righteous asshole is stewing over beggars ...
silver pungent gay wizard
  03/16/17
The bitcoin thing was tangetial and I only mention it becaus...
drunken maize lodge hairy legs
  03/16/17
"But maybe it is worth getting pissed off over thinking...
silver pungent gay wizard
  03/16/17
Sucking dick for $50 only takes 2 minutes too brother. If yo...
drunken maize lodge hairy legs
  03/16/17
Dancing like a monkey is no worse than billing for a partner
vengeful mind-boggling ratface
  03/16/17
LOL if you believe this
violet therapy kitty cat
  03/16/17
Indeed, not only is no worse, it is much better.
Primrose costumed pit
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passionate twinkling uncleanness boiling water
  03/16/17
TBF, Earl handled his Lathaming like a champ. He kept is gro...
Primrose costumed pit
  03/16/17
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drunken maize lodge hairy legs
  03/16/17
because it makes you a cuck in the context of our modern eco...
navy masturbator
  03/16/17
*puts gun in mouth*
bossy voyeur
  03/16/17
* complains about "muds" mooching *
Multi-colored Walnut Wagecucks
  03/16/17
Very dumb response I think
Hairless temple quadroon
  03/16/17
Fuck my fucking ass
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  03/16/17
free loading off of the government or your employer, or even...
drunken maize lodge hairy legs
  03/16/17
Harsh but probably fair
bossy voyeur
  03/16/17
It's the internet, not faking being in a wheelchair IRL to g...
silver pungent gay wizard
  03/16/17
So the difference is that no one else really knows? Because...
drunken maize lodge hairy legs
  03/16/17
Obviously it's different. You aren't playing a "victim&...
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I agree that the connection between begging and shitlibbery ...
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  03/16/17
Lmfao I just realized reptiles are like the other end of the...
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  03/16/17
Right, but both are evil. And some people are inherently sup...
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"you'll get eaten alive by people who act more tribally...
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i fuckin LOVE how so many bort regulars like earl, metalupyo...
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... said the quotemo
Multi-colored Walnut Wagecucks
  03/16/17
You're not wrong earl, but are you sure you're not rehashing...
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maybe but that article is way too long for me to have read i...
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  03/16/17
Being on disability is a point of pride these days
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  03/16/17
"if you can be a victim X 10, you are intersectional as...
Primrose costumed pit
  03/16/17
I probably mix up stoicism with responsible masculinity (not...
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  03/16/17
Stoicism is a one of the essential pillars to the broader co...
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how to be a stoic in midlaw? besides not begging for money ...
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there is no shame in being an actual victim. the problem is...
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Date: March 16th, 2017 6:58 PM
Author: drunken maize lodge hairy legs

I was thinking this while taking a shit just now.

Men used to kill their daughters to save them the shame of rape. Now, its a fucking badge of honor such that shitlibs lie to make up the different ways they are victimized.

In the effort to upset the power dynanic by calling everything racist, sexist, etc - suddenly being a victim is the greatest virtue and if you can be a victim X 10, you are intersectional as fuck.

Maybe only slightly related - people have no fucking shame to be begging for shit on gofundme over every last life difficulty.

Also some of you shitheads embarrass yourselves begging that rich asshole for part of a bitcoin.

very sad!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3555288&forum_id=2#32846544)



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Date: March 16th, 2017 7:18 PM
Author: Crystalline stimulating menage telephone

"Also some of you shitheads embarrass yourselves begging that rich asshole for part of a bitcoin."

My thoughts of the bitcoin, that old, that's old school cryptocoin. We in a new school, our generation, my ethereum generation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3555288&forum_id=2#32846684)



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Date: March 16th, 2017 7:26 PM
Author: drunken maize lodge hairy legs

i was tempted to buy a few, but I have no idea how to even set up the system to buy it, and the second I buy one, the whole shitshow will tank and everyone will blame me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3555288&forum_id=2#32846747)



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Date: March 16th, 2017 7:35 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle painfully honest ape stag film

yah stay out

tbf just use coinbase.com. its easy as shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3555288&forum_id=2#32846809)



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Date: March 16th, 2017 6:59 PM
Author: silver pungent gay wizard

God your bootlicking professional superiority complex faggotry is getting out of hand. Can you become unemployed and tolerable as a human being again that Earl was almost chill. Who gives a fuck about entering a lottery for some asshole handing out BTC

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3555288&forum_id=2#32846547)



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Date: March 16th, 2017 6:59 PM
Author: vengeful mind-boggling ratface



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3555288&forum_id=2#32846549)



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Date: March 16th, 2017 6:59 PM
Author: Sticky bawdyhouse



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Date: March 16th, 2017 6:59 PM
Author: drunken maize lodge hairy legs

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Date: March 16th, 2017 7:01 PM
Author: Arousing Chad



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Date: March 16th, 2017 7:59 PM
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Date: March 16th, 2017 8:08 PM
Author: curious cyan really tough guy depressive



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Date: March 16th, 2017 8:09 PM
Author: filthy supple stead



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Date: April 27th, 2017 5:53 PM
Author: drunken maize lodge hairy legs



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Date: October 13th, 2017 2:51 PM
Author: Disturbing copper headpube casino



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Date: March 16th, 2017 7:01 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac Brunch Potus

No faggot Earl is right

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3555288&forum_id=2#32846556)



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Date: March 16th, 2017 7:01 PM
Author: Sticky bawdyhouse

stfu earl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3555288&forum_id=2#32846558)



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Date: March 16th, 2017 7:02 PM
Author: silver pungent gay wizard

Simmer down earl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3555288&forum_id=2#32846564)



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Date: March 16th, 2017 7:13 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle painfully honest ape stag film



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Date: March 16th, 2017 7:32 PM
Author: passionate twinkling uncleanness boiling water



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3555288&forum_id=2#32846788)



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Date: March 16th, 2017 7:02 PM
Author: Multi-colored Walnut Wagecucks

What did he say that was wrong?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3555288&forum_id=2#32846565)



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Date: March 16th, 2017 7:05 PM
Author: silver pungent gay wizard

What kind of self-righteous asshole is stewing over beggars on the toilet? Earl's head is going to turn into fucking Mr Mackie after making partner it is already insufferable.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3555288&forum_id=2#32846584)



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Date: March 16th, 2017 7:14 PM
Author: drunken maize lodge hairy legs

The bitcoin thing was tangetial and I only mention it because I was thinking about shitlib victim complexes and how this invariably turns into gofundme pages. People bragging about how little power they have and so you should give them more attention/money/power

That said, this gatermo guy contributes nothing on this board other than make himself feel better than you by asking you to dance like fucking monkeys for a few dollars. He literally does nothing else on here. But so many people dance dance dance.

But maybe it is worth getting pissed off over thinking shameless begging on the internet comes from the same place inside your soul as shameless victim complex of the modern shitlib.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3555288&forum_id=2#32846636)



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Date: March 16th, 2017 7:16 PM
Author: silver pungent gay wizard

"But maybe it is worth getting pissed off over thinking shameless begging on the internet comes from the same place inside your soul as shameless victim complex of the modern shitlib."

No it's not you anal prick. It's some people spending 15 seconds of effort for possible free money, they could probably give less of a fuck about some guy jerking himself off about bragging about his money. If some weird dude on the street were handing out hundred dollar bills, would you not spend 30 seconds to walk over and take one? You're just as bad as gatormo in a completely different and more conventional way because you clearly see professional success as a proxy for self-worth by convincing yourself it's really you having "integrity" and not being "weak"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3555288&forum_id=2#32846663)



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Date: March 16th, 2017 7:20 PM
Author: drunken maize lodge hairy legs

Sucking dick for $50 only takes 2 minutes too brother. If you are good.

Instead of the guy handing out hundred dollar bills, the guy is asking you to put on a monkey vest and dance for 30 seconds while he video tapes you and laughs. Maybe that is worth $100, and if you really need the money I guess I wouldn't blame you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3555288&forum_id=2#32846700)



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Date: March 16th, 2017 7:24 PM
Author: vengeful mind-boggling ratface

Dancing like a monkey is no worse than billing for a partner

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3555288&forum_id=2#32846728)



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Date: March 16th, 2017 7:30 PM
Author: violet therapy kitty cat

LOL if you believe this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3555288&forum_id=2#32846773)



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Date: March 16th, 2017 7:56 PM
Author: Primrose costumed pit

Indeed, not only is no worse, it is much better.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3555288&forum_id=2#32846971)



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Date: March 16th, 2017 7:32 PM
Author: passionate twinkling uncleanness boiling water



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3555288&forum_id=2#32846794)



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Date: March 16th, 2017 7:54 PM
Author: Primrose costumed pit

TBF, Earl handled his Lathaming like a champ. He kept is groveling and whining to a minimum even after his $10k a month unemployment benefits ran out 2 years after he was laid off.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3555288&forum_id=2#32846964)



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Date: March 16th, 2017 7:55 PM
Author: drunken maize lodge hairy legs

ty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3555288&forum_id=2#32846967)



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Date: March 16th, 2017 7:11 PM
Author: navy masturbator

because it makes you a cuck in the context of our modern economy/society.

"oh, i'll just be stoic and not bother anyone and turn down handouts out of pride!"

good for you. but that's not how people act anymore. you'll get eaten alive by people who act more tribally and more aggressively in their own individual/small-group interests.

self-sacrifice makes sense when you're part of a cohesive community and don't want to be a burden on them. but in a society where there IS no community, then fuck it; freeload.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3555288&forum_id=2#32846620)



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Date: March 16th, 2017 7:14 PM
Author: bossy voyeur

*puts gun in mouth*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3555288&forum_id=2#32846642)



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Date: March 16th, 2017 7:15 PM
Author: Multi-colored Walnut Wagecucks

* complains about "muds" mooching *

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3555288&forum_id=2#32846652)



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Date: March 16th, 2017 7:16 PM
Author: Hairless temple quadroon

Very dumb response I think

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3555288&forum_id=2#32846662)



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Date: March 16th, 2017 7:16 PM
Author: Hairless temple quadroon

Fuck my fucking ass

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3555288&forum_id=2#32846655)



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Date: March 16th, 2017 7:17 PM
Author: drunken maize lodge hairy legs

free loading off of the government or your employer, or even stealing is one thing. No one has to know you are on welfare or taking PAYE or whatever.

taking pride in being a victim is another.

And if you need it to survive fine, but basically acknowledge you are engaging in bumfights for some assholes amusement for 1/20th of a bitcoin. Again, he only comes on this board to make himself feel superior by making little monkeys dance for pocket change. And the line of dancing monkeys is really long...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3555288&forum_id=2#32846671)



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Date: March 16th, 2017 7:20 PM
Author: bossy voyeur

Harsh but probably fair

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3555288&forum_id=2#32846703)



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Date: March 16th, 2017 7:21 PM
Author: silver pungent gay wizard

It's the internet, not faking being in a wheelchair IRL to get coins in a tin-can or being led around on a leash in public by a billionaire. Maybe some people aren't so obsessed with their self-importance that they realize it's gatormo who is really the pathetic one and they're just lulzing at his faggotry while punching a ticket in the bitcoin lottery to buy a little weed. Lmao at being so obsessed with your mental picture of your "soul" and self-importance-complex that you think this is a big deal

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3555288&forum_id=2#32846712)



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Date: March 16th, 2017 7:25 PM
Author: drunken maize lodge hairy legs

So the difference is that no one else really knows? Because to gatormo - and I agree with you about him - he is holding the leash and you are doing the dance to make him feel better than you. It's just that no one you care about IRL sees the leash.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3555288&forum_id=2#32846737)



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Date: March 16th, 2017 7:34 PM
Author: silver pungent gay wizard

Obviously it's different. You aren't playing a "victim" if the joke is really on the other guy giving out free cash who is so pathetic he can't even be an asshole IRL.

Even in the scenario of doing it IRL it's vastly different than begging for money from some place of feeling like you're a "victim"--it's just whoring yourself out, which basically everyone with a job does in one way or another. You can justify it all you like but if one person wants to get his money by dancing naked on a leash I'm not really going to judge him any less than the guy who gets his money by participating in our stagnant corporate shitcomplex of endless litigation make-work. I'd judge the male prostitute but that's just because it's disgusting, not because I see him as making money off being a victim or whatever.

That's entirely different than someone begging for money on gofundme because they're "microaggressed", but you see it as exactly the same as you're a successful member of the professional leech class obfuscating two very different things into one bundle of "worthless beggars" because in the end you just flat-out see yourself as superior due to your successful striving. Just because you have a valid point mixed in doesn't mean your underlying motivation is anything beyond the standard reptile "$$$uccess is your measure of value hehe" pablum.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3555288&forum_id=2#32846803)



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Date: March 16th, 2017 7:40 PM
Author: drunken maize lodge hairy legs

I agree that the connection between begging and shitlibbery is not a great one. Just part of the general feeling that there is no shame left in the US and shitlibs are the primary guilty parties.

But I do think asking gatormo for money is worse than sucking dick for $50 - because they guy getting his sucked wants to get off, not because he wants to debase you. It's more like taking money for bumfights - the pleasure derived from the payor is the debasement of the beggar. Sucking dick and biglaw are better than that I think.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3555288&forum_id=2#32846841)



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Date: March 16th, 2017 7:44 PM
Author: silver pungent gay wizard

Lmfao I just realized reptiles are like the other end of the spectrum from the Box: they're obsessed with finding excuses for feeling superior to people instead of obsessed with seeking debasement. Congrats earl, you make more than me. Now will you just admit you're a pathological standard-issue douchebag trying to dress up that tendency in some moral debate about what's "wrong with America" being some dudes copy and pasting a bitcoin address?

The legal/professioanl make-work rent-seeking complex is doing way more to destroy the gears that help our country turn than some dipfuck laughing being a pathetic multi-millionaires back.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3555288&forum_id=2#32846871)



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Date: March 16th, 2017 8:16 PM
Author: glittery theater immigrant

Right, but both are evil. And some people are inherently superior to other people. And accepting that inherent inequality is an essential prerequisite to understanding "what's wrong with America". And such a conversation will inevitably (and correctly) include moral debates.

As usual, Earl is a douche, he's correct, and he isn't saying anything interesting. Prostrating oneself for a few hundred dollars is pathetic. Most people are pathetic - especially young people. Nothing to see here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3555288&forum_id=2#32847136)



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Date: March 16th, 2017 8:06 PM
Author: glittery theater immigrant

Society without community is hell. If you really believe everything in this post, then you will be unhappy unless and until you find community. Freeloading is a survival mechanism and an important one but it is not the aspiration of a fully realized human being.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3555288&forum_id=2#32847068)



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Date: April 27th, 2017 6:07 PM
Author: orange bonkers gas station tattoo

"you'll get eaten alive by people who act more tribally and more aggressively in their own individual/small-group interests."

so what? I'd rather have my dignity. the aggressive tribeminds still lose in the end, like they always have.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3555288&forum_id=2#33178724)



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Date: March 16th, 2017 7:13 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle painfully honest ape stag film

i fuckin LOVE how so many bort regulars like earl, metalupyourass, :D, etc. have become haredcore red pilled right wingers. you fuckers are more heartless than ive ever been! 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3555288&forum_id=2#32846625)



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Date: March 16th, 2017 7:16 PM
Author: Multi-colored Walnut Wagecucks

... said the quotemo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3555288&forum_id=2#32846660)



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Date: March 16th, 2017 7:14 PM
Author: Crystalline stimulating menage telephone

You're not wrong earl, but are you sure you're not rehashing the article below, which we discussed a while ago?

Microaggression and Moral Cultures

http://www.projecthorseshoe.com/sections/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Microaggression_and_Moral_Cultures-pre.pub_.version.pdf

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3555288&forum_id=2#32846638)



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Date: March 16th, 2017 7:22 PM
Author: drunken maize lodge hairy legs

maybe but that article is way too long for me to have read it. I assume it is not a rare thought to have while taking a shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3555288&forum_id=2#32846718)



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Date: March 16th, 2017 7:34 PM
Author: passionate twinkling uncleanness boiling water

Being on disability is a point of pride these days

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3555288&forum_id=2#32846801)



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Date: March 16th, 2017 7:51 PM
Author: Primrose costumed pit

"if you can be a victim X 10, you are intersectional as fuck."

Only if they are victim 10 different ways.

On a more serious note, all of your observations fall under a single shift in society: stoicism is no longer a laudable trait and it certainly isn't encouraged in young people today. Imagine if a 3rd grade teacher admonished one of her students for tattling. That would probably be a fireable offense.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3555288&forum_id=2#32846942)



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Date: March 16th, 2017 7:57 PM
Author: drunken maize lodge hairy legs

I probably mix up stoicism with responsible masculinity (not this high T sociopath shit) but I agree.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3555288&forum_id=2#32846987)



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Date: March 16th, 2017 8:00 PM
Author: Primrose costumed pit

Stoicism is a one of the essential pillars to the broader concept of responsible masculinity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3555288&forum_id=2#32847004)



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Date: March 16th, 2017 8:09 PM
Author: drunken maize lodge hairy legs

how to be a stoic in midlaw? besides not begging for money on the internet?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3555288&forum_id=2#32847090)



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Date: June 29th, 2017 3:06 PM
Author: drunken maize lodge hairy legs



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3555288&forum_id=2#33669669)



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Date: October 13th, 2017 1:35 PM
Author: drunken maize lodge hairy legs



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3555288&forum_id=2#34434192)



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Date: October 13th, 2017 1:39 PM
Author: Chocolate zippy heaven

there is no shame in being an actual victim.

the problem is that these days people want to be victims and wear it as a badge of honor. just as there is no shame in being an actual victim, there shouldn't be any benefit or glory in it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3555288&forum_id=2#34434229)



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Date: November 6th, 2017 4:58 PM
Author: drunken maize lodge hairy legs



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3555288&forum_id=2#34619034)