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Are there college-educated people who don't get the logic of the contrapositive?

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massive multi-colored telephone
  03/18/17
ask your local gender/ethnic studies department graduates
Curious Useless Lettuce Striped Hyena
  03/18/17
probably like 80%
Navy Plaza Dopamine
  03/18/17
That must be an exaggeration
massive multi-colored telephone
  03/18/17
you greatly overestimate college graduates
Curious Useless Lettuce Striped Hyena
  03/18/17
I've literally taught them. they don't know shit
Navy Plaza Dopamine
  03/18/17
can you explain your experience with trying to teach it to t...
Beady-eyed state quadroon
  03/18/17
they understand it perfectly when you explain it to them. bu...
Navy Plaza Dopamine
  03/18/17
They are generally more confused by the equivalency between ...
Excitant garrison
  03/18/17
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massive multi-colored telephone
  03/18/17
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massive multi-colored telephone
  03/18/17
tons. I would literally drill it into them like a cult chan...
disturbing famous landscape painting kitchen
  03/18/17
What do you mean by "get it"?
splenetic set
  03/18/17
That it's logically valid.
Aromatic piazza gaming laptop
  03/18/17
You mean that the contrapositive of a true conditional state...
splenetic set
  03/18/17
don't get it like not capable of understanding it when it's ...
razzmatazz indian lodge fortuitous meteor
  03/18/17
either not get it when explained or do get it when explained...
Beady-eyed state quadroon
  03/18/17
what's that?
nighttime learning disabled trailer park roast beef
  03/18/17
Read In the basement of the ivory tower. actual retards get...
Tan frisky idiot half-breed
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Beady-eyed state quadroon
  03/19/17
tmf
histrionic crawly jew
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Beady-eyed state quadroon
  04/27/17
Most college grads don't.
slap-happy razzle-dazzle national security agency
  04/27/17
explain
Beady-eyed state quadroon
  04/28/17
You need to have an IQ of around 115 to grasp formal logic. ...
slap-happy razzle-dazzle national security agency
  04/28/17
read this as "logic of the contraceptive"
swashbuckling buff boltzmann mother
  04/27/17
As a former LSAT instructor I'd say 80% can it up quickly en...
180 purple organic girlfriend toaster
  04/28/17
Just use unnecessary and insufficient to help explain then.
Know-it-all Marvelous Haunted Graveyard People Who Are Hurt
  04/28/17
but can they apply it consistently to increasingly abstract ...
Beady-eyed state quadroon
  04/28/17
first, you are dealing with people who are smarter than aver...
appetizing rusted feces roommate
  04/28/17
(guy still DEVASTATED by necessary vs sufficient questions)
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Date: March 18th, 2017 3:47 PM
Author: massive multi-colored telephone



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32860235)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 3:48 PM
Author: Curious Useless Lettuce Striped Hyena

ask your local gender/ethnic studies department graduates

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32860237)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 3:49 PM
Author: Navy Plaza Dopamine

probably like 80%

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32860246)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 3:54 PM
Author: massive multi-colored telephone

That must be an exaggeration

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32860271)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 3:55 PM
Author: Curious Useless Lettuce Striped Hyena

you greatly overestimate college graduates

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32860274)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 4:20 PM
Author: Navy Plaza Dopamine

I've literally taught them. they don't know shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32860432)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 5:01 PM
Author: Beady-eyed state quadroon

can you explain your experience with trying to teach it to them? what issue do they have with the logic?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32860674)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 6:50 PM
Author: Navy Plaza Dopamine

they understand it perfectly when you explain it to them. but if it comes up in the wild, forget about it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32861332)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 3:50 PM
Author: Excitant garrison

They are generally more confused by the equivalency between converse and inverse

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32860254)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 4:19 PM
Author: massive multi-colored telephone



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32860425)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 5:42 PM
Author: massive multi-colored telephone



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32860937)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 5:59 PM
Author: disturbing famous landscape painting kitchen

tons. I would literally drill it into them like a cult chant when I taught it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32861064)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 6:01 PM
Author: splenetic set

What do you mean by "get it"?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32861081)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 6:05 PM
Author: Aromatic piazza gaming laptop

That it's logically valid.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32861108)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 6:06 PM
Author: splenetic set

You mean that the contrapositive of a true conditional statement is always true?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32861116)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 6:07 PM
Author: razzmatazz indian lodge fortuitous meteor

don't get it like not capable of understanding it when it's explained? or like they come out of college, graduating and aren't familiar with it?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32861123)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 7:34 PM
Author: Beady-eyed state quadroon

either not get it when explained or do get it when explained, but not able to apply it to statements whose logic does not correlate to any real-life situation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32861648)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 7:06 PM
Author: nighttime learning disabled trailer park roast beef

what's that?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32861443)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 7:08 PM
Author: Tan frisky idiot half-breed

Read In the basement of the ivory tower. actual retards get college degrees, bro.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32861460)



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Date: March 18th, 2017 11:58 PM
Author: Beady-eyed state quadroon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32863514)



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Date: March 19th, 2017 1:13 AM
Author: Beady-eyed state quadroon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32864062)



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Date: March 19th, 2017 10:52 AM
Author: Beady-eyed state quadroon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32865145)



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Date: March 19th, 2017 11:09 AM
Author: Deep school cafeteria hominid



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32865235)



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Date: March 19th, 2017 6:23 PM
Author: Beady-eyed state quadroon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32868476)



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Date: March 19th, 2017 6:24 PM
Author: histrionic crawly jew

tmf

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32868488)



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Date: March 22nd, 2017 3:40 PM
Author: Beady-eyed state quadroon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#32890290)



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Date: April 14th, 2017 1:26 AM
Author: Beady-eyed state quadroon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#33070179)



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Date: April 27th, 2017 11:46 PM
Author: Beady-eyed state quadroon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#33181541)



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Date: April 27th, 2017 11:53 PM
Author: slap-happy razzle-dazzle national security agency

Most college grads don't.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#33181585)



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Date: April 28th, 2017 12:12 AM
Author: Beady-eyed state quadroon

explain

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#33181727)



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Date: April 28th, 2017 12:15 AM
Author: slap-happy razzle-dazzle national security agency

You need to have an IQ of around 115 to grasp formal logic. The median college grad IQ is lower. QED.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#33181738)



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Date: April 27th, 2017 11:59 PM
Author: swashbuckling buff boltzmann mother

read this as "logic of the contraceptive"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#33181634)



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Date: April 28th, 2017 12:15 AM
Author: 180 purple organic girlfriend toaster

As a former LSAT instructor I'd say 80% can it up quickly enough when you explain it to them. They are DEVASTATED by necessary vs sufficient conditions.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#33181742)



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Date: April 28th, 2017 12:17 AM
Author: Know-it-all Marvelous Haunted Graveyard People Who Are Hurt

Just use unnecessary and insufficient to help explain then.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#33181755)



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Date: April 28th, 2017 12:21 AM
Author: Beady-eyed state quadroon

but can they apply it consistently to increasingly abstract situations?

how did they do on those grouping games with chains of conditional statements?

also describe the DEVASTATION

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#33181773)



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Date: April 28th, 2017 12:27 AM
Author: appetizing rusted feces roommate

first, you are dealing with people who are smarter than average college students if you are an lsat instructor.

second, you didn't say how many got it before you explained it

third, i'd like to hear more about your n vs s stuff

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#33181802)



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Date: May 21st, 2017 3:36 PM
Author: Concupiscible doobsian stage

(guy still DEVASTATED by necessary vs sufficient questions)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#33359479)



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Date: May 21st, 2017 3:35 PM
Author: Concupiscible doobsian stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#33359469)



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Date: April 28th, 2017 12:46 AM
Author: Beady-eyed state quadroon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#33181919)



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Date: April 28th, 2017 8:06 AM
Author: Beady-eyed state quadroon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#33182675)



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Date: April 28th, 2017 8:20 AM
Author: Beady-eyed state quadroon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#33182732)



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Date: April 28th, 2017 9:48 AM
Author: Beady-eyed state quadroon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#33183130)



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Date: April 28th, 2017 2:18 PM
Author: Beady-eyed state quadroon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#33185399)



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Date: May 21st, 2017 3:23 PM
Author: Beady-eyed state quadroon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#33359387)



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Date: June 15th, 2017 8:39 PM
Author: Beady-eyed state quadroon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3557069&forum_id=2#33568398)