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Date: April 6th, 2017 10:00 PM Author: Sable Laser Beams Cruise Ship there a market for this? like does anyone do it successfully? i just got offered $100 per hour, for as much employment law crap as i want to take on. no billable requirement. independent contractor. and from what the place says, they have plenty of work for me to do- easily 30 hrs per week, but probably 40 if i want it. and on my schedule. from home.
this sounds amazing. but i'm also a little skeptical. scammy? or is this a thing? |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 10:02 PM Author: Vivacious pungent jap like small firm, or are there agencies that do this ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3576080&forum_id=2#33012139) |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 10:08 PM Author: Sable Laser Beams Cruise Ship seems smallish. but representation in about a dozen cities. (i think meaning 1-3 attorneys in each case). small offices in four- if like the one here, we're talking reception plus conference or shared office space.
the talk is that they keep overhead as low as possible. have good attorneys, target corporate clients, and so are able to charge lower rates- often flat fees, etc. for business/ip/employment work for companies in the growing-but-don't-need-in-house yet space. |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 10:09 PM Author: flatulent stirring point circlehead so they charge flat fees to their clients, and are gonna pay you as an IC by the hour? i bet they'll try to fuck you over on your bill. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3576080&forum_id=2#33012223) |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 10:10 PM Author: Vivacious pungent jap any of those cities in CA? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3576080&forum_id=2#33012225) |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 10:14 PM Author: Sable Laser Beams Cruise Ship yes- in Ca.
and about the fucking over. Two pay rates: hourly or flat fee for basic stuff. But if flat fee, I know the task/percentage beforehand and can choose to take it or not. |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 10:16 PM Author: flatulent stirring point circlehead for hourly work, are you paid on hours YOU bill to them? or does it depend on which of your hours THEY bill to or collect from the client? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3576080&forum_id=2#33012314) |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 10:20 PM Author: Sable Laser Beams Cruise Ship in the contract as hours i bill to them, but they are allowed to inform me of an hours cap to a particular assignment when giving it to me. i can accept/reject the assignment, but if i do, not paid for anything over whatever hours cap. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3576080&forum_id=2#33012371) |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 10:23 PM Author: flatulent stirring point circlehead seems fair. i guess you'd need to know what the hours caps are and whether they're reasonable. but what happens if a case gets out of control?
whether hourly or flat-fee, does your getting paid depend on them collecting in any way? |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 10:31 PM Author: Vivacious pungent jap 180. Can you share who it is if you don't take the gig ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3576080&forum_id=2#33012539) |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 10:02 PM Author: bistre erotic indian lodge foreskin I got offered something like this once, $50-70 hour but it was kind of vague and it seemed like this investment company literally wanted me to work as its attorney but as a contractor at the same time. I couldn't really make sense of the arrangement and thought it was a little sketchy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3576080&forum_id=2#33012146) |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 10:02 PM Author: lavender charismatic temple go for it. do it poolside. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3576080&forum_id=2#33012147) |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 10:27 PM Author: talented hell boistinker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3576080&forum_id=2#33012478) |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 10:06 PM Author: flatulent stirring point circlehead could be scammy.
it could just be a backdoor way of trying you out, and they'll eventually want to hire you full time. if they're giving you 30-40 hrs a week on an hourly basis, they'll realize they're better off hiring you and making you work 60 hrs / week on a salary basis.
are you looking for a full time gig? are they looking for a full time person? |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 10:11 PM Author: Sable Laser Beams Cruise Ship they offered me a full time gig or contract, but even the full time gig is not salary based. it offers better benefits/travel, marketing, and training/development, but no billable requirement- still just a percentage of what you do, and there's a corresponding expectation that you bring clients in.
i just moved to a new location. that last part sounded stressful. plus, contract work i'm free to take other assignments, so i'm going contract. |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 10:15 PM Author: flatulent stirring point circlehead are these cases you're doing independently, or are you gonna be supervised? if the latter, they're prob breaking labor law and misclassifying you as an IC. you should beware of any company that openly breaks labor laws. how are they gonna treat you.
how does your "hourly" pay work is it's flat rate work for the client? as i said above, that's a huge ? mark |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 10:19 PM Author: Sable Laser Beams Cruise Ship i'm not supervised. i have like ten years of experience. so i take the assignment, i do everything- the assignment, the client contact, delivery, etc. i am on their malpractice insurance. but everything else is all me- my schedule, work independently, make sure clients happy, take what assignments i want, etc. i mean, i'm sure if i'm not prompt/responsive, they'll stop asking me to do assignments. but still. sounds too good to be true.
clients pay hourly for some tasks, in which case i'm paid hourly. flat fee for others, in which case i'm told the flat fee and decide whether i'm willing to take it for a percentage. |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 10:21 PM Author: flatulent stirring point circlehead i see. so, you're basically a co-counsel and they're basically just taking a referral / origination fee.
this isn't uncommon.
see my q above about the hourly fees |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 10:11 PM Author: Self-centered business firm bbw Lots of axiom attys do this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3576080&forum_id=2#33012237) |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 10:11 PM Author: Vivacious pungent jap does axiom do litigation ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3576080&forum_id=2#33012243) |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 10:29 PM Author: talented hell boistinker this sounds pretty good.
So you bill a mere 20 hours a week and get paid $2000...
A lot worse ways to make 100K a year. |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 10:31 PM Author: flatulent stirring point circlehead self-employment tax means it's really ~7.5% less (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3576080&forum_id=2#33012533) |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 10:34 PM Author: Soul-stirring chrome casino Make it back writing off "expenses" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3576080&forum_id=2#33012608) |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 10:40 PM Author: flatulent stirring point circlehead yeah prob a wash. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3576080&forum_id=2#33012706) |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 10:42 PM Author: talented hell boistinker well it's still a pretty sweet gig, especially if he can do it remotely.
It also sounds like there is a considerable amount of work so he can basically take on more work one month if he wants to save up some money.
If this became a more normalized thing, I could see 50% of BIG LAW attorneys doing this instead. How many threads on here do people say they'd take a 50% pay cut for less hours. |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 10:45 PM Author: flatulent stirring point circlehead tbf, this cant be normalized. it only works for certain types of practices. doesnt work well with the traditional biglaw types of cases/deals with big teams and lots of emergencies and fire drills.
paying guys by the hour and not expecting 24/7 responsiveness would be contrary to the biglaw model |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 10:47 PM Author: lavender charismatic temple won't somebody think of the facetime? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3576080&forum_id=2#33012850) |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 10:50 PM Author: talented hell boistinker it would work for a subset of BIG LAW practices. Lots of practice groups have lots of smaller, steady cases as opposed to the massive fire drill ones. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3576080&forum_id=2#33012888) |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 10:55 PM Author: flatulent stirring point circlehead as i said earlier, it's also a liability for biglaw firms to start having remote associates on an IC basis. they'd clearly be employees.
and you're better off paying them a salary so you can squeeze as many hours out of them as possible. paying associates hourly makes no sense for biglaw firms |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 11:05 PM Author: Sable Laser Beams Cruise Ship I dunno. I actually suspect this will become more common. Because any additional hourly cost would be offset by much less overhead. Admin staff, office space, taxis home, Seamless. You'd need 10% of the offices and various conference rooms. Fewer security, printing staff, cleaning staff, etc. You end up saving massive amounts on all the possible cuts.
And I think it'd also help with attrition. Lots of attorneys would choose a lot less pay for big law staying humane. |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 10:30 PM Author: talented hell boistinker I know a lot of BIG LAW attorneys that work remotely around 50% of the time, so I don't see why contract work wouldn't allow for this... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3576080&forum_id=2#33012518) |
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Date: April 6th, 2017 10:32 PM Author: Soggy nursing home pervert For a startup, e.g., InCloudCounsel? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3576080&forum_id=2#33012572) |