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Why would 2 Susman Godfrey partners quit law to travel the world?

Susman Godfrey is the pinnacle of litigation, isn't it? This...
Thriller grizzly whorehouse
  04/09/17
eventually ... you just can't do it anymoer.
Wine Arousing Location
  04/09/17
lol @ these severely mentally ill narcissists
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  04/09/17
made money, got out, experiencing the world
infuriating wagecucks blood rage
  04/09/17
The narcissism isn't quitting and traveling, it's thinking t...
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  04/09/17
Same reason Jason Bourne tried to chill in the Greek islands...
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Why would two childless people who don't need to work stop w...
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good for them
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seriously. lol @ the aspie outrage ITT
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LOL @ the autist OP
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"This is how law was meant to be practiced." lo...
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  04/09/17
she looks like she's into BBC and he looks like a cuck
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  04/09/17
lol @ OP
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  04/09/17
What they are doing looks amazing actually
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  04/09/17
How can they afford this?
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Susman pays huge and after over a decade of DINKs making tha...
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  09/30/17
There's a whole genre of "Why I Quit Google" type ...
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  04/09/17
TBF when you are in a job like this, eventually you get this...
Charismatic bistre nowag
  04/09/17
Most people in most jobs don't think about leaving. It's cal...
exhilarant disturbing weed whacker abode
  04/09/17
CR and most normies have friends and family that are interes...
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surprisingly POOR moniker to poast synergy
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wait, what? most people dont have blogs
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i know i'm years late to this, but cr
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Sometimes the scholarly treats get too sweet. Jurisdiabetes ...
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  08/27/17
he was a handsome man
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He wasn’t
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Anyone that writes a travel blog is a narcissist. More so if...
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http://skiwis.com/
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Tbf, who really enjoys working at a law firm? Aside from the...
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Why do all those other partners at SG and all biglaw places ...
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They likely have kids in college, trying to maintain a $3mm ...
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  07/16/18
I know equity partners with no kids who still work their ass...
Galvanic Drunken Round Eye Point
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They may not have anything else to do.
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How empty of a person are you that you can’t find something ...
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Sick, sick people.
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reading about other people vacationing just doesn't do anyth...
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Lol at electing two people who would just quit to run a trav...
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just admit kids were a bad choice
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An elite firm shouldn’t make such mistakes. Perhaps pa...
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it goes beyond that though. their partnership agreements wer...
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The last update was about finding a giant hole in the Antarc...
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We have mutual friends. Last I heard they were happily settl...
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  10/25/22
why would they leave a SG partnership?
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Why would anyone keeping working as hard as a Susman Godfrey...
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They don't have any kids so they can just do whatever, nothi...
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lol, wtf, everyone who keeps asking this is insane
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Date: April 9th, 2017 1:44 PM
Author: Thriller grizzly whorehouse

Susman Godfrey is the pinnacle of litigation, isn't it? This is how law was meant to be practiced. Hundreds of T14 students dream about working at such an elite place. So why would 2 partners quit to travel the world?

http://skiwis.com/2013/03/01/last-day-at-sg-2/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#33031257)



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Date: April 9th, 2017 1:45 PM
Author: Wine Arousing Location

eventually ... you just can't do it anymoer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#33031267)



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Date: April 9th, 2017 1:48 PM
Author: very tactful hell hunting ground

lol @ these severely mentally ill narcissists

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#33031280)



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Date: April 9th, 2017 3:40 PM
Author: infuriating wagecucks blood rage

made money, got out, experiencing the world

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#33031910)



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Date: April 9th, 2017 11:53 PM
Author: exhilarant disturbing weed whacker abode

The narcissism isn't quitting and traveling, it's thinking that doing so is some kind of cool story bro. We are clearly supposed to be doubly impressed - they work at Susman AND they're quitting to travel?!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#33036029)



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Date: April 9th, 2017 1:56 PM
Author: hyperactive curious parlour

Same reason Jason Bourne tried to chill in the Greek islands and Goa. "Look at what they make you give."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#33031322)



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Date: April 9th, 2017 1:58 PM
Author: jet-lagged athletic conference

Why would two childless people who don't need to work stop working?

Odd case.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#33031325)



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Date: April 9th, 2017 3:35 PM
Author: Brindle Beady-eyed Center



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#33031872)



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Date: April 14th, 2017 9:12 AM
Author: Splenetic Gunner



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#33071033)



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Date: August 27th, 2017 3:59 PM
Author: Soggy Judgmental Lay



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#34079120)



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Date: September 30th, 2017 4:11 PM
Author: Crimson rehab



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#34334044)



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Date: September 30th, 2017 4:29 PM
Author: rose motley menage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#34334184)



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Date: July 16th, 2018 3:37 PM
Author: vigorous stag film pozpig



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#36438587)



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Date: March 20th, 2021 1:05 PM
Author: Obsidian trump supporter locale



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#42136467)



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Date: April 9th, 2017 2:29 PM
Author: Frum Fanboi

good for them

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#33031475)



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Date: April 9th, 2017 11:57 PM
Author: wonderful mustard stead

seriously. lol @ the aspie outrage ITT

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#33036060)



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Date: April 14th, 2017 9:12 AM
Author: Splenetic Gunner



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#33071034)



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Date: April 9th, 2017 3:09 PM
Author: floppy skinny woman business firm



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#33031731)



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Date: April 9th, 2017 3:32 PM
Author: Slippery kitchen

LOL @ the autist OP

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#33031858)



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Date: April 9th, 2017 3:35 PM
Author: Silver senate organic girlfriend

"This is how law was meant to be practiced."

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#33031875)



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Date: April 9th, 2017 3:50 PM
Author: cheese-eating multi-colored station rigor

she looks like she's into BBC and he looks like a cuck

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#33031978)



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Date: April 9th, 2017 10:53 PM
Author: Heady effete plaza

lol @ OP

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#33035430)



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Date: April 9th, 2017 11:02 PM
Author: Titillating burgundy state ape

What they are doing looks amazing actually

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#33035563)



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Date: April 9th, 2017 11:45 PM
Author: razzle pearly quadroon

How can they afford this?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#33035963)



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Date: April 10th, 2017 2:08 AM
Author: Violent gaped mediation mad cow disease

Susman pays huge and after over a decade of DINKs making that cheddar, this couple is rich as fuck

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#33036851)



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Date: August 27th, 2017 8:32 PM
Author: Soggy Judgmental Lay



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#34080809)



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Date: September 30th, 2017 4:12 PM
Author: insecure fortuitous meteor police squad



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#34334048)



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Date: April 9th, 2017 11:50 PM
Author: exhilarant disturbing weed whacker abode

There's a whole genre of "Why I Quit Google" type articles and this is the law version. Special snowflakes patting themselves on the back for being elite enough for elite companies yet also too cool for them. Go forth ye mavericks.

TBC, if you are rich as shit quitting your job to travel seems like a perfectly good idea, it just doesn't make you interesting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#33035995)



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Date: April 9th, 2017 11:55 PM
Author: Charismatic bistre nowag

TBF when you are in a job like this, eventually you get this warped mindset where you'd never even think about leaving. It's almost boxed off from your reality. The people around you will think you're crazy.

Getting past that does feel profound to the person doing it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#33036037)



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Date: April 9th, 2017 11:58 PM
Author: exhilarant disturbing weed whacker abode

Most people in most jobs don't think about leaving. It's called needing to make a living plus complacency plus habit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#33036062)



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Date: April 10th, 2017 12:00 AM
Author: wonderful mustard stead

CR and most normies have friends and family that are interested in where they are and what theyre doing so they start blogs about it. So what?

This one with nonlolyers who drove from NYC to argentina (save the Darien gap) and from Africa to Asia is also interesting

http://transworldexpedition.com/?page_id=247

Just because shrews love to TRAVEL doesn't mean it's not 180 if done right

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#33036076)



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Date: April 10th, 2017 2:09 AM
Author: Violent gaped mediation mad cow disease

surprisingly POOR moniker to poast synergy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#33036854)



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Date: September 30th, 2017 4:23 PM
Author: Unholy water buffalo



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#34334134)



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Date: July 16th, 2018 3:51 PM
Author: Exciting digit ratio

wait, what?

most people dont have blogs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#36438676)



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Date: October 25th, 2022 10:16 PM
Author: Fishy Spectacular Casino

i know i'm years late to this, but cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#45389544)



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Date: April 10th, 2017 7:20 AM
Author: 180 stubborn market boiling water

Sometimes the scholarly treats get too sweet. Jurisdiabetes sets in.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#33037203)



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Date: April 14th, 2017 9:06 AM
Author: Fear-inspiring box office jew



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#33071010)



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Date: August 27th, 2017 3:24 PM
Author: Contagious Son Of Senegal Telephone



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#34078845)



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Date: August 27th, 2017 4:04 PM
Author: lilac lascivious candlestick maker

he was a handsome man

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#34079156)



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Date: November 23rd, 2017 12:10 PM
Author: Fear-inspiring box office jew

He wasn’t

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#34756004)



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Date: November 23rd, 2017 12:24 PM
Author: Fragrant Temple Jap

Anyone that writes a travel blog is a narcissist. More so if a couple does it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#34756080)



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Date: April 27th, 2018 11:39 AM
Author: floppy skinny woman business firm



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#35931132)



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Date: April 30th, 2018 2:41 PM
Author: floppy skinny woman business firm



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#35951594)



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Date: June 4th, 2018 2:34 PM
Author: floppy skinny woman business firm



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#36181948)



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Date: July 16th, 2018 3:35 PM
Author: floppy skinny woman business firm

http://skiwis.com/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#36438571)



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Date: July 16th, 2018 3:37 PM
Author: vigorous stag film pozpig

Tbf, who really enjoys working at a law firm? Aside from the money, there's almost no other reason to bother, and if you've already made millions, you're just wasting time by sticking around.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#36438584)



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Date: July 16th, 2018 3:37 PM
Author: floppy skinny woman business firm

Why do all those other partners at SG and all biglaw places stay? LIke if you're a partner at Paul Weiss for 8 years...isn't that enough to invest and live off passive income?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#36438591)



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Date: July 16th, 2018 3:39 PM
Author: vigorous stag film pozpig

They likely have kids in college, trying to maintain a $3mm house and a $2mm summer home, possibly paying alimony and child support due to divorce pwnage, etc. OR are so senior at that point that they make $5mm a yr to basically meet clients and do no actual legal work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#36438603)



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Date: July 16th, 2018 3:45 PM
Author: Galvanic Drunken Round Eye Point

I know equity partners with no kids who still work their ass off. Never made sense to me

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#36438627)



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Date: July 16th, 2018 3:46 PM
Author: vigorous stag film pozpig

They may not have anything else to do.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#36438634)



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Date: July 16th, 2018 4:47 PM
Author: Galvanic Drunken Round Eye Point

How empty of a person are you that you can’t find something more enjoyable then starin at documents all day?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#36439160)



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Date: July 16th, 2018 3:41 PM
Author: 180 stubborn market boiling water

Sick, sick people.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#36438613)



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Date: July 16th, 2018 3:54 PM
Author: pink appetizing crotch tanning salon

reading about other people vacationing just doesn't do anything for me

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#36438706)



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Date: July 16th, 2018 3:57 PM
Author: vigorous stag film pozpig

Probably because you're likely not in a position to realistically do it...at least not for any extended period of time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#36438744)



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Date: December 17th, 2018 7:10 PM
Author: floppy skinny woman business firm



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Date: April 4th, 2019 5:17 PM
Author: floppy skinny woman business firm



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Date: April 10th, 2020 2:58 PM
Author: Thriller grizzly whorehouse



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Date: October 21st, 2022 12:11 PM
Author: Thriller grizzly whorehouse



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Date: October 25th, 2022 9:29 PM
Author: Marvelous Goyim

Lol at electing two people who would just quit to run a travel blog for 3 years and then fall off the face of the planet to partnership

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#45389353)



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Date: October 25th, 2022 9:31 PM
Author: ruby razzmatazz home

just admit kids were a bad choice

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#45389364)



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Date: October 25th, 2022 9:37 PM
Author: Marvelous Goyim

I love my four children. They are incredible. Also, the season for having kids is a relatively short one. So you can either do it or not, but if not, you must live with that choice as you grow old and alone.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#45389395)



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Date: October 25th, 2022 9:39 PM
Author: sapphire apoplectic field

all they had to do was not elect the woman bc shes a woman and not elect the man bc hed "fall of the face of the planet" to travel with his wife.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#45389401)



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Date: October 25th, 2022 9:41 PM
Author: Marvelous Goyim

An elite firm shouldn’t make such mistakes. Perhaps partnership was merely an effort to get them to stay after they’d already begun to drift away.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#45389411)



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Date: October 25th, 2022 9:43 PM
Author: sapphire apoplectic field

it goes beyond that though. their partnership agreements were probably pretty bad.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#45389424)



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Date: October 25th, 2022 9:46 PM
Author: cheese-eating multi-colored station rigor

no updates in years -- including no update in a couple years on the cunt's instagram -- trouble in paradise?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#45389442)



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Date: October 25th, 2022 9:53 PM
Author: Vengeful voyeur

The last update was about finding a giant hole in the Antarctic surface....

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#45389471)



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Date: October 25th, 2022 10:10 PM
Author: sienna indirect expression hospital

We have mutual friends. Last I heard they were happily settled down in New Zealand. I think she's in vet school but could be wrong.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#45389526)



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Date: October 25th, 2022 10:13 PM
Author: floppy skinny woman business firm

why would they leave a SG partnership?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#45389537)



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Date: October 25th, 2022 10:16 PM
Author: sienna indirect expression hospital

Why would anyone keeping working as hard as a Susman Godfrey partner after they had enough money to do whatever they want? My understanding is they (a) burned out and (b) got married a decided to do something else. They left shortly after marrying.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#45389543)



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Date: October 25th, 2022 11:09 PM
Author: Vengeful voyeur

They don't have any kids so they can just do whatever, nothing really "counts"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#45389819)



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Date: October 26th, 2022 11:07 PM
Author: ruby razzmatazz home

lol, wtf, everyone who keeps asking this is insane

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3578779&forum_id=2#45394844)



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Date: October 25th, 2022 11:12 PM
Author: sapphire apoplectic field

vet school? thats pretty bad.

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Date: October 25th, 2022 10:14 PM
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