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Blockchain "technology" is fucking stupid and so are you. Here's why

there is no upside to blockchain "technology". it'...
self-absorbed magenta ticket booth
  05/26/17
proof of stake will eliminate the electricity problem, and E...
Concupiscible Institution Doctorate
  05/26/17
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Soul-stirring windowlicker heaven
  06/21/17
It's coming...
unhinged light casino fanboi
  09/15/18
Any updates?
self-absorbed magenta ticket booth
  10/21/18
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Snowy hairy legs gaping
  10/31/18
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/boolberry/ Wow
self-absorbed magenta ticket booth
  10/31/18
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Snowy hairy legs gaping
  11/06/18
wait 2 weeks.
Stimulating infuriating patrolman
  08/13/20
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self-absorbed magenta ticket booth
  06/13/22
where are we on this
glassy tripping plaza foreskin
  11/11/22
...
self-absorbed magenta ticket booth
  11/11/22
any progress on increasing the transactions per second?
arrogant provocative rehab
  05/26/17
proof of stake and longer down the road sharding. the eth...
rambunctious sweet tailpipe
  05/26/17
You have no fucking clue lol
self-absorbed magenta ticket booth
  05/30/17
he's actually right about that
Soul-stirring windowlicker heaven
  06/21/17
No he isnt.
self-absorbed magenta ticket booth
  06/21/17
b-b-b-but THMART CONTRACTH!!
wine chad house
  05/26/17
so you think you're smarter than Vitalik Buterin and Vlad Za...
Concupiscible Institution Doctorate
  05/26/17
lol so now we trust subhuman slavs?
Ocher sadistic mediation theatre
  09/12/17
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self-absorbed magenta ticket booth
  05/26/17
counterpoint: magical asian
talented site
  05/26/17
lol
drab buck-toothed fortuitous meteor corner
  05/30/17
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talented site
  09/12/17
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Vivacious salmon nursing home dysfunction
  09/12/17
except for the part where crypto gets capital flight from TT...
Massive elastic band
  05/26/17
this and silk road are literally the only way this has any u...
Shaky Crackhouse Water Buffalo
  10/21/18
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self-absorbed magenta ticket booth
  10/21/18
*cue Kanye West - Black Skinhead*
blue bearded puppy
  05/30/17
why are so many big companies investing in this technology?
flirting boyish theater stage
  05/30/17
They arent
self-absorbed magenta ticket booth
  05/30/17
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walnut underhanded pisswyrm bawdyhouse
  06/21/17
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self-absorbed magenta ticket booth
  11/12/18
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self-absorbed magenta ticket booth
  06/21/17
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self-absorbed magenta ticket booth
  07/16/17
All these fortune 100 companies spending millions of dollars...
nubile locus ape
  07/16/17
Yeah the research consists of: hey this shit is slow, ineffi...
self-absorbed magenta ticket booth
  07/16/17
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Pearl narrow-minded gas station multi-billionaire
  09/08/18
Dumb liberal artist here. Any good links on this shit?
Opaque point nibblets
  09/12/17
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fragrant alcoholic digit ratio
  09/12/17
yeah I'd love to see a white paper on this
Aromatic shimmering property shitlib
  09/12/17
Watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6OgtzhjpGE
self-absorbed magenta ticket booth
  10/21/18
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self-absorbed magenta ticket booth
  09/08/18
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self-absorbed magenta ticket booth
  09/15/18
LOL brother: https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-advantages-o...
supple purple kitchen
  09/15/18
...
self-absorbed magenta ticket booth
  10/25/18
https://www.innovationaus.com/2018/10/DTA-goes-cold-on-block...
self-absorbed magenta ticket booth
  10/31/18
...
multi-colored hell
  10/31/18
Ouch
Aggressive gay wizard
  10/31/18
https://i.imgur.com/lhGkMjw.jpg
self-absorbed magenta ticket booth
  10/31/18
https://twitter.com/MapleChangeEx/status/1056582662435954688...
self-absorbed magenta ticket booth
  10/31/18
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Heady jew
  10/31/18
Energy cost of 'mining' bitcoin more than twice that of copp...
self-absorbed magenta ticket booth
  11/06/18
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Snowy hairy legs gaping
  11/06/18
This is kind of a dumb article and paper.
spectacular indigo mood background story
  11/12/18
(Dumb fuck)
self-absorbed magenta ticket booth
  11/14/18
just do compare apples to oranges
spectacular indigo mood background story
  11/14/18
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Rose thriller shrine dragon
  11/12/18
no u
flirting boyish theater stage
  11/14/18
"breaking news as corporate America discovers that &quo...
self-absorbed magenta ticket booth
  11/19/18
https://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-mining-firm-giga-watt-decla...
self-absorbed magenta ticket booth
  11/21/18
A painful lesson
self-absorbed magenta ticket booth
  11/24/18
Lmao We documented 43 blockchain use-cases through intern...
self-absorbed magenta ticket booth
  11/30/18
IBM has a blockchain business https://www.ibm.com/blockcha...
flirting boyish theater stage
  11/30/18
With zero real world use-case!
self-absorbed magenta ticket booth
  11/30/18
What’s the potential ROI of IBM Blockchain? We commis...
flirting boyish theater stage
  11/30/18
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self-absorbed magenta ticket booth
  12/11/18
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self-absorbed magenta ticket booth
  08/13/20
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self-absorbed magenta ticket booth
  08/13/20
ETH to 430 ofs
Navy twinkling uncleanness lay
  08/13/20
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self-absorbed magenta ticket booth
  01/11/21
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self-absorbed magenta ticket booth
  01/21/21
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self-absorbed magenta ticket booth
  01/23/22
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Date: May 26th, 2017 4:14 PM
Author: self-absorbed magenta ticket booth

there is no upside to blockchain "technology". it's a database with comically low throughput that wastes an absurd amount of electricity. why is there such a a buzz about it? because people are stupid, especially when it comes to technology

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#33402847)



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Date: May 26th, 2017 4:16 PM
Author: Concupiscible Institution Doctorate

proof of stake will eliminate the electricity problem, and ETH is on its way to implementing that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#33402868)



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Date: June 21st, 2017 4:14 PM
Author: Soul-stirring windowlicker heaven



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#33611186)



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Date: September 15th, 2018 5:02 PM
Author: unhinged light casino fanboi

It's coming...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#36815263)



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Date: October 21st, 2018 2:56 AM
Author: self-absorbed magenta ticket booth

Any updates?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#37065915)



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Date: October 31st, 2018 5:16 AM
Author: Snowy hairy legs gaping



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#37130633)



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Date: October 31st, 2018 5:18 AM
Author: self-absorbed magenta ticket booth

https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/boolberry/ Wow

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#37130637)



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Date: November 6th, 2018 5:35 AM
Author: Snowy hairy legs gaping



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#37168865)



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Date: August 13th, 2020 1:39 AM
Author: Stimulating infuriating patrolman

wait 2 weeks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#40748584)



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Date: June 13th, 2022 8:39 PM
Author: self-absorbed magenta ticket booth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#44678788)



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Date: November 11th, 2022 5:47 PM
Author: glassy tripping plaza foreskin

where are we on this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#45479273)



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Date: November 11th, 2022 5:51 PM
Author: self-absorbed magenta ticket booth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#45479284)



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Date: May 26th, 2017 4:18 PM
Author: arrogant provocative rehab

any progress on increasing the transactions per second?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#33402878)



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Date: May 26th, 2017 4:21 PM
Author: rambunctious sweet tailpipe

proof of stake and longer down the road sharding.

the ethereum network has a fair bit of runway before it runs into severe scaling problems.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#33402898)



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Date: May 30th, 2017 3:33 PM
Author: self-absorbed magenta ticket booth

You have no fucking clue lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#33429784)



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Date: June 21st, 2017 4:14 PM
Author: Soul-stirring windowlicker heaven

he's actually right about that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#33611194)



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Date: June 21st, 2017 4:35 PM
Author: self-absorbed magenta ticket booth

No he isnt.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#33611426)



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Date: May 26th, 2017 4:18 PM
Author: wine chad house

b-b-b-but THMART CONTRACTH!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#33402882)



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Date: May 26th, 2017 4:20 PM
Author: Concupiscible Institution Doctorate

so you think you're smarter than Vitalik Buterin and Vlad Zamfir?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#33402891)



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Date: September 12th, 2017 5:03 AM
Author: Ocher sadistic mediation theatre

lol so now we trust subhuman slavs?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#34191035)



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Date: May 26th, 2017 4:20 PM
Author: self-absorbed magenta ticket booth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#33402892)



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Date: May 26th, 2017 4:21 PM
Author: talented site

counterpoint: magical asian

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#33402896)



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Date: May 30th, 2017 3:51 PM
Author: drab buck-toothed fortuitous meteor corner

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#33429900)



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Date: September 12th, 2017 1:27 AM
Author: talented site



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#34190701)



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Date: September 12th, 2017 5:05 AM
Author: Vivacious salmon nursing home dysfunction



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#34191038)



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Date: May 26th, 2017 4:21 PM
Author: Massive elastic band

except for the part where crypto gets capital flight from TTT countries due to being easy to buy, hard to seize. which makes your scamcoin moon.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#33402897)



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Date: October 21st, 2018 3:11 AM
Author: Shaky Crackhouse Water Buffalo

this and silk road are literally the only way this has any underlying value

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#37065939)



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Date: October 21st, 2018 3:13 AM
Author: self-absorbed magenta ticket booth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#37065943)



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Date: May 30th, 2017 3:35 PM
Author: blue bearded puppy

*cue Kanye West - Black Skinhead*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#33429795)



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Date: May 30th, 2017 3:49 PM
Author: flirting boyish theater stage

why are so many big companies investing in this technology?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#33429882)



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Date: May 30th, 2017 3:52 PM
Author: self-absorbed magenta ticket booth

They arent

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#33429905)



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Date: June 21st, 2017 4:30 PM
Author: walnut underhanded pisswyrm bawdyhouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#33611375)



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Date: November 12th, 2018 2:41 PM
Author: self-absorbed magenta ticket booth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#37217127)



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Date: June 21st, 2017 4:05 PM
Author: self-absorbed magenta ticket booth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#33611077)



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Date: July 16th, 2017 10:29 AM
Author: self-absorbed magenta ticket booth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#33786180)



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Date: July 16th, 2017 10:33 AM
Author: nubile locus ape

All these fortune 100 companies spending millions of dollars on researching block chain should have really listened to OP!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#33786210)



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Date: July 16th, 2017 10:34 AM
Author: self-absorbed magenta ticket booth

Yeah the research consists of: hey this shit is slow, inefficient, and insecure as fuck. We'll stick to AWS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#33786216)



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Date: September 8th, 2018 4:28 PM
Author: Pearl narrow-minded gas station multi-billionaire



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#36770629)



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Date: September 12th, 2017 5:08 AM
Author: Opaque point nibblets

Dumb liberal artist here. Any good links on this shit?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#34191041)



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Date: September 12th, 2017 12:54 PM
Author: fragrant alcoholic digit ratio



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#34192858)



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Date: September 12th, 2017 12:55 PM
Author: Aromatic shimmering property shitlib

yeah I'd love to see a white paper on this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#34192864)



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Date: October 21st, 2018 3:08 AM
Author: self-absorbed magenta ticket booth

Watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6OgtzhjpGE

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#37065937)



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Date: September 8th, 2018 4:27 PM
Author: self-absorbed magenta ticket booth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#36770625)



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Date: September 15th, 2018 4:21 PM
Author: self-absorbed magenta ticket booth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#36815086)



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Date: September 15th, 2018 5:10 PM
Author: supple purple kitchen

LOL brother: https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-advantages-of-blockchain-technology

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#36815301)



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Date: October 25th, 2018 2:37 PM
Author: self-absorbed magenta ticket booth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#37093414)



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Date: October 31st, 2018 5:14 AM
Author: self-absorbed magenta ticket booth

https://www.innovationaus.com/2018/10/DTA-goes-cold-on-blockchain

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#37130625)



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Date: October 31st, 2018 5:17 AM
Author: multi-colored hell



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#37130634)



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Date: October 31st, 2018 5:20 AM
Author: Aggressive gay wizard

Ouch

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#37130640)



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Date: October 31st, 2018 3:49 PM
Author: self-absorbed magenta ticket booth

https://i.imgur.com/lhGkMjw.jpg

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#37133416)



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Date: October 31st, 2018 3:51 PM
Author: self-absorbed magenta ticket booth

https://twitter.com/MapleChangeEx/status/1056582662435954688

lmfao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#37133432)



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Date: October 31st, 2018 3:53 PM
Author: Heady jew



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#37133446)



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Date: November 6th, 2018 5:32 AM
Author: self-absorbed magenta ticket booth

Energy cost of 'mining' bitcoin more than twice that of copper or gold

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/nov/05/energy-cost-of-mining-bitcoin-more-than-twice-that-of-copper-or-gold

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#37168859)



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Date: November 6th, 2018 5:35 AM
Author: Snowy hairy legs gaping



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#37168864)



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Date: November 12th, 2018 2:46 PM
Author: spectacular indigo mood background story

This is kind of a dumb article and paper.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#37217156)



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Date: November 14th, 2018 1:17 PM
Author: self-absorbed magenta ticket booth

(Dumb fuck)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#37231225)



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Date: November 14th, 2018 1:26 PM
Author: spectacular indigo mood background story

just do compare apples to oranges

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#37231284)



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Date: November 12th, 2018 2:42 PM
Author: Rose thriller shrine dragon



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#37217133)



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Date: November 14th, 2018 1:19 PM
Author: flirting boyish theater stage

no u

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#37231236)



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Date: November 19th, 2018 1:53 PM
Author: self-absorbed magenta ticket booth

"breaking news as corporate America discovers that "blockchain tech" is just a slow fucking database"

https://mobile.twitter.com/katherineykwu/status/1062092777742389253



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#37264039)



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Date: November 21st, 2018 2:31 PM
Author: self-absorbed magenta ticket booth

https://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-mining-firm-giga-watt-declares-bankruptcy-owing-millions

U.S.-based bitcoin mining firm Giga Watt has declared bankruptcy with millions still owed to creditors.

The firm filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy at a court in the Eastern District of Washington on Monday, revealing that it still owes its biggest 20 unsecured creditors nearly $7 million in court documents seen by CoinDesk.

Creditors include the utilities provider in its Douglas County base, having a claim of over $310,000, and electricity provider Neppel Electric, which is owed almost half a million dollars.

Giga Watt has estimated assets worth less than $50,000, whereas estimated liabilities are in the range of $10–50 million, according to the court documents.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#37277896)



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Date: November 24th, 2018 11:58 PM
Author: self-absorbed magenta ticket booth

A painful lesson

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#37295713)



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Date: November 30th, 2018 4:21 PM
Author: self-absorbed magenta ticket booth

Lmao

We documented 43 blockchain use-cases through internet searches, most of which were described with glowing claims like “operational costs… reduced up to 90%,” or with the assurance of “accurate and secure data capture and storage.” We found a proliferation of press releases, white papers, and persuasively written articles. However, we found no documentation or evidence of the results blockchain was purported to have achieved in these claims. We also did not find lessons learned or practical insights, as are available for other technologies in development.

We fared no better when we reached out directly to several blockchain firms, via email, phone, and in person. Not one was willing to share data on program results, MERL processes, or adaptive management for potential scale-up. Despite all the hype about how blockchain will bring unheralded transparency to processes and operations in low-trust environments, the industry is itself opaque. From this, we determined the lack of evidence supporting value claims of blockchain in the international development space is a critical gap for potential adopters.

http://merltech.org/blockchain-for-international-development-using-a-learning-agenda-to-address-knowledge-gaps/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#37328692)



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Date: November 30th, 2018 4:25 PM
Author: flirting boyish theater stage

IBM has a blockchain business

https://www.ibm.com/blockchain

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#37328711)



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Date: November 30th, 2018 4:33 PM
Author: self-absorbed magenta ticket booth

With zero real world use-case!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#37328752)



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Date: November 30th, 2018 5:38 PM
Author: flirting boyish theater stage

What’s the potential ROI of IBM Blockchain?

We commissioned a Forrester Total Economic Impact™ (TEI) report to help you identify the cost, benefits, flexibilities and risk factors of working with IBM Blockchain. The research is based on Forrester’s TEI methodology, financial model framework and case studies, plus interviews with IBM Blockchain stakeholders and customers. Register now to watch our latest webinar and read the report to project your cost savings and the business benefits of working with IBM Blockchain.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#37329044)



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Date: December 11th, 2018 3:43 PM
Author: self-absorbed magenta ticket booth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#37390407)



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Date: August 13th, 2020 1:37 AM
Author: self-absorbed magenta ticket booth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#40748579)



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Date: August 13th, 2020 8:43 PM
Author: self-absorbed magenta ticket booth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#40752641)



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Date: August 13th, 2020 9:15 PM
Author: Navy twinkling uncleanness lay

ETH to 430 ofs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#40752787)



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Date: January 11th, 2021 12:56 PM
Author: self-absorbed magenta ticket booth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#41730543)



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Date: January 21st, 2021 12:32 PM
Author: self-absorbed magenta ticket booth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#41798339)



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Date: January 23rd, 2022 7:22 PM
Author: self-absorbed magenta ticket booth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3627471&forum_id=2#43834511)



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Date: November 11th, 2022 5:40 PM
Author: self-absorbed magenta ticket booth

Lol at xo

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