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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:03 AM Author: multi-colored shaky karate Just turned himself into a veggie, this is why the family opted not to do an autopsy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607316) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 6:14 AM Author: Useless Office (N. Korean troll) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607536) |
Date: June 21st, 2017 2:04 AM Author: Red indecent pozpig twist: there's no way of knowing that UNLESS they performed an autopsy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607321) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:05 AM Author: emerald bespoke forum Hard to explain the brain damage otherwise. The doctors probably told the family privately to avoid (perceived) embarrassment. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607325) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:08 AM Author: multi-colored shaky karate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607328) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:13 AM Author: Red indecent pozpig there's no way the brain damage could've been caused by guards choking him out, or asphyxiation due to some unimaginable torture or sadistic experimentation? keep in mind that we're speculating about the conduct of an alien insect species, and not actual human beings (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607338) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:24 AM Author: emerald bespoke forum Possible but inconsistent with their prior treatment of white people. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607361) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 9:43 PM Author: lime state community account (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33614019) |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 1:44 AM Author: Supple high-end indian lodge The reality is it's pretty unlikely they were intentionally going to go medieval on him. Something happened that wasn't supposed to. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33635502) |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 1:46 AM Author: 180 puce mother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33635515) |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 1:48 AM Author: Supple high-end indian lodge Couldn't find that after a quick search. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33635523) |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 1:54 AM Author: 180 puce mother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33635547) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:15 AM Author: Nubile French Chef what would the autopsy have revealed that the docs couldn't see on MRIs? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607343) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:19 AM Author: Pink Angry Locale https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6516732 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607349) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:22 AM Author: 180 puce mother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607356) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:24 AM Author: Pink Angry Locale ^ 1200 SAT -> FL shitlawyer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607360) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:28 AM Author: 180 puce mother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607369) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:31 AM Author: multi-colored shaky karate Bullshit. Ive seen CSI. They can zoom in and do 3d models of this shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607374) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:33 AM Author: Pink Angry Locale In other words, you were the lowest of the grunts in your lab.
Like I said, 1200 SAT -> FL shitlawyer |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:44 AM Author: 180 puce mother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607407) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:51 AM Author: Pink Angry Locale And yet here you are in shitlaw. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607429) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:55 AM Author: 180 puce mother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607442) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 8:43 AM Author: hyperventilating university no, youre not. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607761) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 8:59 PM Author: 180 puce mother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33613719) |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 9:08 AM Author: lime state community account (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33636136) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 7:43 AM Author: Costumed lodge pretty sure he was an EMT at one point (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607633) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 8:49 AM Author: Pink Angry Locale EMTs are often good people. but EMT training is very sparse on pathology. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607777) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 8:59 PM Author: 180 puce mother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33613717) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 9:02 PM Author: Pink Angry Locale ^ 1200 SAT -> FL shitlawyer thinking EMT training curriculum is a state secret (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33613738) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 9:41 PM Author: talking aromatic tanning salon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33614007) |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 1:43 AM Author: 180 puce mother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33635495) |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 1:46 AM Author: Pink Angry Locale ^ 1200 SAT -> FL Shitlawyer trying to insinuate that EMTs are trained in histopathology (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33635514) |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 1:55 AM Author: 180 puce mother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33635551) |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 1:58 AM Author: Pink Angry Locale "I probably have the most medical training on xo, except for the doctor who posts here."
^ 1200 SAT -> deluded FL shitlawyer whose grandiosity never ceases to amaze |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 1:59 AM Author: 180 puce mother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33635562) |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 2:05 AM Author: Pink Angry Locale lmao at deluded 1200 SAT -> FL shitlawyer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33635588) |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 2:08 AM Author: 180 puce mother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33635597) |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 2:10 AM Author: Pink Angry Locale You're done here. Stop posturing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33635603) |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 2:11 AM Author: 180 puce mother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33635605) |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 2:13 AM Author: Pink Angry Locale ^ 1200 SAT -> unselfaware FL shitlawyer who got pwned repeatedly for goalpost relocation (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33635610) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:53 AM Author: Nubile French Chef hmmm interesting but i don't know nearly enough about this stuff to evaluate it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607435) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 3:01 AM Author: Pink Angry Locale "Injury was largely confined to the CA1 layer of the hippocampus.": hippocampus is especially sensitive to oxygen deprivation and atrophies in hypoxic state.
"In both experimental models two types of cell change were prominent: coagulative cell change which was restricted to neurons, and edematous cell change which was largely confined to astrocytes.": neurons clump together, while a non-neuronal type of cells called astrocytes swell in hypoxia.
"Studies on cerebral microcirculation revealed a close relationship between areas of reduced flow and areas with structural damage. Cytochemical demonstration of subcellular calcium indicated an early and important redistribution of this cation, indicative for toxic calcium overload in the cytosol.": you see higher than normal levels of calcium inside cells.
It is true that the prolonged coma could make pathologic analysis difficult, but as the quoted pathologist says, an autopsy could have led to either positive information confirming a cause, or negative information to rule out botulism, etc. |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 3:05 AM Author: 180 puce mother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607454) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 3:07 AM Author: Pink Angry Locale only on xo does a 1200 SAT FL shitlawyer second guess pathology attendings on autopsies lmao. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607456) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 3:11 AM Author: 180 puce mother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607462) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 3:13 AM Author: Pink Angry Locale ^ 1200 SAT argument (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607463) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 3:14 AM Author: 180 puce mother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607465) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 3:17 AM Author: Pink Angry Locale Well, first of all, the poasted quotes from the path guy are generalizable statements.
Second, even with reduced chances of finding satisfactory evidence, an autopsy is much likelier to yield useful info than no autopsy. |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 3:18 AM Author: 180 puce mother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607469) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 3:19 AM Author: Pink Angry Locale ^ 1200 SAT -> FL shitlawyer's idea of an argument (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607470) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 3:22 AM Author: 180 puce mother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607473) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 3:25 AM Author: Pink Angry Locale “When you don’t do that, then families often linger with nagging questions that may have been resolved at autopsy,” he said, adding that examinations in this case could also be important for international affairs. “An autopsy is the way that you are best able to get good evidence. That is, it matters.” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607476) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 3:37 AM Author: 180 puce mother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607487) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 8:47 AM Author: Pink Angry Locale ^ 1200 SAT -> FL shitlawyer moving the goalpoast from why autopsy won't yield meaningful info to other extra-medical reasons for not having an autopsy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607774) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 3:07 AM Author: Nubile French Chef tyft (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607457) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 8:52 PM Author: Pink Angry Locale (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33613674) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:20 AM Author: 180 puce mother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607352) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:44 AM Author: Pink Angry Locale “The most important thing I think it could tell us is the general nature of what caused the brain damage and it might give us some idea if it was continuing or in the past,” said Victor Weedn, a forensic pathologist and professor of forensic sciences at George Washington University.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2017/06/20/what-an-autopsy-could-tell-us-about-otto-warmbiers-death/?utm_term=.3f98bb340aad |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:47 AM Author: 180 puce mother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607418) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:48 AM Author: Pink Angry Locale "Weedn said an autopsy may also help to rule out causes, including trauma or infection. In some cases, he said, autopsies can help find discrepancies in stories." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607426) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:58 AM Author: 180 puce mother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607445) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 3:02 AM Author: Pink Angry Locale ^ 1200 SAT -> FL shitlawyer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607450) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:17 AM Author: 180 puce mother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607346) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:32 AM Author: topaz passionate nursing home if this were true, why would nk make up the ridiculous botulism story? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607376) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:32 AM Author: 180 puce mother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607377) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:34 AM Author: topaz passionate nursing home you could explain anything with a stupid argument like that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607383) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:34 AM Author: Pink Angry Locale You're talking to a 1200 SAT -> FL shitlawyer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607386) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:45 AM Author: 180 puce mother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607409) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 3:11 AM Author: Nubile French Chef (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607459) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:34 AM Author: emerald bespoke forum (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607387) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:40 AM Author: Nubile French Chef it's their MO
they could have come up with a bunch of much more plausible stories than the crazy and obviously untrue story about the church/used car payment, for example, which seems like it was developed by a low-level propaganda worker who just jumbled a bunch of words together without actually understanding how western culture operates
the botulism "explanation" has that same tint of surrealism |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:46 AM Author: 180 puce mother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607411) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 2:51 AM Author: Salmon stage mood (Guy wondering why Trump would say he fired Comey due to Rodstein memo) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607428) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 9:46 PM Author: Vivacious dingle berry school (guy with "Rodstein" as one of his cell phone contacts) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33614059) |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 1:48 AM Author: Provocative Cumskin Theater Stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33635522) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 3:26 AM Author: Iridescent stimulating native boiling water There was speculation almost immediately that there was a gap in translation. They said botulism but maybe meant food poisoning.
Either way - 'he's in a coma because we gave him a sleeping pill and he didn't wake up' is perfectly North Korean. They tried to help him and him being in a coma is his fault bc he didn't wake up. |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 8:42 AM Author: Transparent shrine North Korea is known to do asphyxiation torture to prisoners. Some guard probably went too far and caused permanent damage. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33607754) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 9:03 PM Author: 180 puce mother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33613750) |
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Date: June 21st, 2017 9:42 PM Author: Salmon stage mood This is likely true. He was blubbering on tv at one point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33614017) |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 1:42 AM Author: Pink Angry Locale (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33635488) |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 1:50 AM Author: hideous parlor blood rage Why make up a botulism story and sleeping pill scenario if this were true?
I call bullshit. |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 1:51 AM Author: 180 puce mother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33635534) |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 1:53 AM Author: hideous parlor blood rage I think he was oxygen deprived, but I don't think it was self-inflicted.
This whole "no autopsy to avoid embarrassment" wouldn't rule out torture or self-inflicted.
The family probably doesn't need to know more than what they already do. An autopsy 18 months later wouldn't get them any more closure than not having one at this point. |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 1:56 AM Author: 180 puce mother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33635554) |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 2:08 AM Author: coral cheese-eating rehab queen of the night I was actually in agreement with the op until I read this. This is a compelling point. Even if they were unreasonably prone to lying, it seems like they would come up with a lie more closely aligned with what really happened. Their story was weird as fuck, which makes me think the truth is also weird as fuck. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33635599) |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 2:09 AM Author: 180 puce mother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33635601) |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 2:22 AM Author: hideous parlor blood rage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth_serum
"Use by country[edit] North Korea[edit] North Korea is alleged by retired US Army intelligence officer Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer to have used Sodium Pentothal on Otto Warmbier. Shaffer believes mental degredation was caused by overuse of the compound. North Korea blamed the condition on use of a sleeping pill and botulism"
That would explain the rationale for toxicity and brain chemistry that they were afraid would be uncovered. Also explains Warmbier's zombie like appearance at court. |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 2:25 AM Author: 180 puce mother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33635636) |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 2:27 AM Author: hideous parlor blood rage This pretty much explains why they were going for a drug/toxicity factor instead of oxygen deprivation.
Close to the truth, but a different cause. |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 2:33 AM Author: Ebony anal new version hell holy shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33635653) |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 6:21 AM Author: emerald bespoke forum (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33635958) |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 2:05 AM Author: Wonderful stock car Actually, I think he succeeded. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33635592) |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 3:08 AM Author: Sinister charismatic spot It was fan death. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33635744) |
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Date: June 25th, 2017 3:12 AM Author: 180 puce mother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3653869&forum_id=2#33635752) |