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Why dont you guys ever try honestly to articulate the libtard position just as a
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:10 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs an exercise in understanding the enemy better. And just honestly and in good faith do so, without making caricatures. Then respond to THAT. It would make for more substantive poasting, I suspect. Say the libtards position without hyperbole, and then respond to it. And don't go to some extreme position either. Just take the basic libtard position on a subject and state it clearly, along with some commentary on the reasoning behind the position, sympathetic to libtard viewpoint, and then respond to that. It would be a lot more HONEST than what you guys spend most of your waking hours doing, which is exerting yourself into a froth over a pretend fantasy Goldstein in a Two Minutes Hate scenario. |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:13 PM Author: adulterous brunch bro this place is just a contard echo chamber. shitlibs like me acknowledge how retarded some polices are but shitcons never do.
shitcons also conflate neoreactionary policy from both parties with only being shitlib policy. i just let them do their thing and poast about married women i smash |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:14 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs fair (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045273) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:15 PM Author: light degenerate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045791) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:57 PM Author: magical mad-dog skullcap parlor sure you do Pradeep (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046213) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 5:20 PM Author: Flatulent cyan chad scourge upon the earth "shitcons also conflate neoreactionary policy from both parties with only being shitlib policy"
what now |
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Date: June 21st, 2018 10:01 PM Author: Crawly address mother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#36287924) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:16 PM Author: Pungent glassy dilemma wrinkle save it for slatestarcodex.com or maybe reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046374) |
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Date: June 21st, 2018 9:52 PM Author: lilac thriller national security agency (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#36287869) |
Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:13 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045269) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:14 PM Author: Seedy Green Jew Selfie You guys want open borders with a gigantic welfare state
That is an honest articulation of Dem policy |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:16 PM Author: odious lake laser beams I've never seen any mainstream dem advocate for open borders. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045282) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:17 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045291) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:17 PM Author: 180 Dysfunction (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045295) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:18 PM Author: Seedy Green Jew Selfie How about your last presidential candidate?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/8/hillary-clinton-dreams-open-borders-leaked-speech-/
By Ben Wolfgang - The Washington Times - Saturday, October 8, 2016 Hillary Clinton in 2013 said she dreams of a “common market with open trade and open borders,” saying that economic opportunity in the U.S. would grow as a result. Her comments to Latin American bankers were revealed late Friday by WikiLeaks, which appears to have obtained excerpts of some of Mrs. Clinton’s paid speeches in the days following her tenure at the State Department. The excerpts were found in Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta’s emails, and while Mr. Podesta refused to verify the documents, he also did not deny their authenticity. In addition to downplaying banks’ role in the 2008 economic collapse, admitting she’s out of touch with the middle class and conceding she has “both a public and a private position” on Wall Street reform, Mrs. Clinton also bluntly said she believes open borders would benefit the entire Western hemisphere. “My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, some time in the future with energy that is as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the Hemisphere,” she said in the May 2013 speech to the Brazilian bank Banco Itau. |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:23 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs Okay, you say that this statement about a DREAM which also requires "growth and opportunity for all" is a statement of libtard POLICY? Who doesn't DREAM of positive, Star-Trek like utopia? Everyone! Doesn't mean its a matter of public policy or even attainable. And who is her audience and in what context too btw.
Come on! you've fallen for the oldest trick in the book, which is to take shit out of PAID speeches and misread and misapply it. You guys get pissed when libtards do the same thing to Trump's stupid ass speeches and comments--and this is exactly what you are doing here--or you've swallowed as the "libtard position" from some other source. |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:25 PM Author: Seedy Green Jew Selfie Yfwgi (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045348) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:29 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs So ... you can't. You can't or wont do what OP suggests. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045386) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:31 PM Author: Seedy Green Jew Selfie Libtard position: open borders and strong welfare Rebuttal: you cannot have an entire hemisphere flooding your country while providing sufficient levels of welfare to them. No matter if it is now or in the utopian future
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:34 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs How do you get that that is the "libtard position." No one is saying that! Even HRC didn't say that, and she worked pretty hard for border restrictions! You've taken a lovely little daydream that is not attainable because youd have to have increased opportunity for all as well--grammatically, that's even part of the fucking sentence--and you are abstracting from this that somehow the libtard position is the complete distruction of all borders? Are you fucking nuts! You are in some kind of echo chamber here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045432) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:47 PM Author: Contagious disgusting hospital jfc man, you're like those same idiots who said 5 years ago that 7yo trannies were just shitcon boogiemen that will never happen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046138) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:51 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs What the? Now we are onto trannies? It's just stream of consciousness here sometimes. Libtards make trannies? Is that what you think? |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:16 PM Author: Adventurous ticket booth incel Yes. The AMT of ppl who claim to be trans or two spirited or some other identity that they claim is encumbered by their biology has gone thru the roof lately (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046371) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:30 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs tbf two spirits is a native American thing though right?
And yes there is some vocal expression about how tranny is not a disease but instead is something people are born with. But explain how this or any part of this is the libtard agenda--and I don't mean screaming homos I just mean basic libtard. |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 4:58 PM Author: Adventurous ticket booth incel The proliferation of this multi gender concept and it's attempt to codify it in law wrt pronoun use (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34047268) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 4:23 PM Author: underhanded irradiated hissy fit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34047011) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:28 PM Author: cordovan twisted menage It's an obvious goal. Do they support any immigration restrictions right now? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045371) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:31 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs Of Course!! OF Course they do! There's a whole agency last time I checked was called INS. No Libtards I can think of are for the dismantling of INS or the elimination of border entry requirements! Your making caricatures, just for fun, I get it, but it harms your ability to think clearly on the topic. |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:34 PM Author: Iridescent becky private investor so there's nothing wrong with building the wall then to help the INS do their jobs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045428) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:37 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs Lol--yes, a great wall the length of the wall of china for our southern neighbor at immense unfathomable cost particularly in light of the fact that most illegals come in PLANES is not a libtard position. I can agree with you there. But let's articulate the libtard position on that--besides all the administrative hassles and takings and expenditure, is it an effective way to cut down on illegal entry into the us? Is it even in the top five most effective preventative measures? Libtards do not believe so. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045458) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:48 PM Author: Erotic pearly tanning salon feces Since when are libs against something because of cost or "administrative" hassles? If that's the case I'm sure the liberal platform will also include a top to bottom review and full-scale reform of Medicare/Medicaid, Social Security and Welfare.
You're the worst kind of shitbag pseudo-intellectual blowhard.
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:59 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs libs are often against things because of cost. Libs also are for reviews of all safety nets. -- You do see a difference here when you say "review AND Reform" together, by the way. Why bother with the Review part then? |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:36 PM Author: 180 Dysfunction (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045449) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:40 PM Author: cordovan twisted menage They would definitely slowly get to that point if they could. You are so fucking dumb i can't believe I'm engaging. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045488) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:44 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs how would they "get to that point if they could"--what point are you talking about? Increased opportunity for all? is that the point? as its fucking grammatically zeugmatized to the DREAM she mentions here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045524) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:38 PM Author: motley codepig area The immigration bill that came out of the Senate in 2014 and was killed in the House was going to be signed by Obama. It included mandatory e-verify for all employers and increased funding for border security and deportations and immigration courts. Basically, Obama was giving conservatives all of the tools for enforcement that they could ever dream of (particularly against employers which is truly where the problem lies and where Trump has been noticeably silent) in exchange for offering a path to legalization for those here (13 years with no criminal record, $5,000 fine, mandatory english classes). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045464) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:41 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045492) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:47 PM Author: cordovan twisted menage Are you retarded? You think dems actually supported any of that? They were just giving in to get the legalization path. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045558) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:56 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs lol so your a mind reader now? I dunno bro, that doesn't look like a gimme platform! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045638) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:58 PM Author: motley codepig area OH THE HORROR! They COMPROMISED! Turn on the sirens folks! We can't have any of that here!
And actually, you're wrong. There is fairly widespread support for immigration reform among Dem Senators that includes better enforcement. But that enforcement has to also be applied to employers and it should be intelligent, efficient, and in accordance with notions of due process. |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:03 PM Author: cordovan twisted menage There are some moderate democrats, yes. Those aren't the ones we are scared of.
And I'm sure your qualifier last sentence basically means it's meaningless.
Some republicans have no issue with abortion as long as it's fair to the unborn child! |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:06 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs Blouser, let me pose something to you.
Have you ever wanted $60K so you open a demand at $120K. Then you get to $60K. It's a really really simple concept but you'd be surprised how people don't understand it. |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:59 PM Author: lascivious orange center can you explain why the Dems needed to be induced to fund border enforcement by giving current law breakers a pathway to citizenship?
if they believe in border enforcement, why not just pass border enforcement?
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:08 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs everyone wants to be re-elected and you capitalize on that need to get your own things done at minimal or no cost to you. at minimal or no cost to you at minimal or no cost to you |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:13 PM Author: lascivious orange center I can understand the strategic positioning prior to the bill.
But after the compromise bill was shut down, essentially the Dems' bluff was called.
At that point, if the Dems actually cared about border enforcement, why wouldn't they agree to fund border enforcement as a standalone bill? |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:16 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs because its a red meat frothing at the mouth thing for conturds constituents so they are not going to just Give it away to the conturds without attaching something else. Sure its important to the libtards too, but the way the consiervative constituents go after it sweetens it up and makes it ripe for some gimmes on the other side of the aisle, I would imagine. Way of the world, lil bro. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046369) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:17 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs If conturds did a legit fake out and acted like they didn't want it then libtards would try to pass it on its own. Fun sort of bluffery that conturds cant win on because their constituents are so fucking vocal and nuts about it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046380) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:20 PM Author: lascivious orange center This response did not address my previous post at all, lil bro. Unless I'm missing something, you're just repeating your first point about strategic positioning and bargaining. I responded that the attempt failed, so at that point the Dems should have agreed to pass the standalone bill.
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:27 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs But why would they do that?
That's not how negotiation works little bro.
We do that all day every day. they want it, you want it too but they REALLY need it to get re-elected, so you give it to them but make sure to attach other items you want or need.
NOW If they don't like that, then you push it out to crisis point. Query whether and in that context they did the right thing in this inside baseball game of which we can only speculate ... but the house hasn't fallen down and I suspect that additional curatives and preventives got pumped up in the meantime.
If you are an atty, don't feign ignorance of how this sort of thing works. |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:30 PM Author: lascivious orange center so your best response is that in this case, the Dems sacrificed even what they believed was best for the country, in order to accumulate potential political capital for a possible favorable future negotiation.
got it, thanks for being honest about this one. |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:32 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs first question. Are you an atty. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046534) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:34 PM Author: lascivious orange center yes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046552) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:38 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs so see below.
just because something isn't top of the list doesn't mean its not high on the list.
And Latham has a point too, which is if it was so important (besides being red meat to conturd constituents) then why wouldn't the GOP make something workable, embarrass the dems on that point? It's almost like the whole thing was, on one level or another, bullshit that fills the day. |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:43 PM Author: lascivious orange center see my response below to Latham.
Also, I don't know what you mean by "workable". The original bill sans pathway to citizenship sounds workable and reasonable, no legit downside to anyone except for nominal cost of enforcement.
If by "workable" you mean, "acceptable to Dems", that's just begging this whole question. |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:59 PM Author: motley codepig area Well I think it's a perfectly reasonable position to ask that those who have been in this country for many years (13 years under the bill) have a path to citizenship so long as they are not criminals, pay a fine, learn English, and otherwise become productive citizens. Immigration reform has to be comprehensive because each side has legitimate points that the other side may have difficulty agreeing to because they fear their base. Dems have done a lot more to introduce comprehensive bills to bridge the gap, but most of the GOP is full of shit.
The GOP (especially the House) was completely full of shit during the immigration reform debate. They did not want e-verify and they certainly don't want to increase the reach and power of the IRS and the Department of Labor. It's really not much different than the healthcare debate. For them the path of least resistance is the status quo (a few thousand more deportations but no changes to the immigration system). |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 4:09 PM Author: lascivious orange center Pathway to citizenship is arguably not reasonable for the following reasons:
(1) in the long term, it encourages more illegal immigration if migrants think that successfully crossing the border, or overstaying their visa, will eventually result in legal status and/or citizenship.
(2) it the short term, even if you can solve for border protection and visa overstays, it encourages more people to illegally cross/overstay before the final compromise bill with the protections are put in place, because you won't be able to distinguish between migrants who came in before whatever deadline you put in the bill and who came after.
(3) it is fundamentally immoral and unfair to any aspiring immigrant to the US who did not illegal cross or overstay their visas. |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:36 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs We've had this sort of discussion before. Just because something isn't on the top of the list doesn't mean its not on the list, or even high on the list. life is more complicated than that little fella. That's why I asked if you are actually an atty. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046567) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:45 PM Author: lascivious orange center Life is too complicated is a hand wave to deflect from a hard question you can't adequately answer, and I suspect you realize that.
Calling someone "little fella" and "little breh" is insulting and patronizing.
Consequently, I'm going to stop engaging with you in good faith now. |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 4:06 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs what I'm saying is that the issues of lawmaking are complicated and subject to issues and negotiations to which I'm not privy to. Accordingly, your example does nothing for me. I suppose what you are trying to say here is that if dems valued immigration restraints they would have agreed with a particular bill proposed by conturds--when in fact they did agree and proposed add ons which caused the bill not to take or make it. As I have explained, this does not show that libtards do not value immigration restraints--at most it shows that in this particular context, on this one piece of proposed legislation, for whatever reason, --whether it be a better biull elsewhere or a failed negotiation-- libtards did not ultimately sign on. That does not, however, mean that libtards don't value immigration restraints. I cant be any clearer than that. and I don't mean to be patronizing and if you think I am on this point then I invite you to look to yourself and address whatever issues you may have on that point. (You may very well have some, as your persistence on this supposed 'evidence' suggests a little dimness--which might make you more sensitive to perceived slights in the rigorous legal profession.) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046868) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:30 PM Author: motley codepig area And why didn't the GOP work on a bill with just e-verify? What about increased funding for the IRS and the Dept of Labor to go after employers who cheat the system with black market labor? The GOP position on immigration is to create a show of force against Hispanics, look tough to their base, and not to change or fix the underlying dynamics of black-market labor. Border wall funding alone is pointless red meat for the GOP base. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046509) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:33 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046538) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:34 PM Author: lascivious orange center "And why didn't the GOP work on a bill with just e-verify? What about increased funding for the IRS and the Dept of Labor to go after employers who cheat the system with black market labor? "
The conservative base would have been for that, especially the Anne Coulter crowd. I don't know if the GOP lawmakers would have tried to pass that but thought it was pointless given Dem opposition, or if they were too beholden to chamber of commerce groups.
However, I don't think you have actual evidence either way, so it's unjustified for you to impute bad motive in this case. |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:39 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs Latham has a point too, which is if it was so important (besides being red meat to conturd constituents) then why wouldn't the GOP make something workable, embarrass the dems on that point? It's almost like the whole thing was, on one level or another, bullshit that fills the day (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046579) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:29 PM Author: odious lake laser beams I think she's referring to something like the EU arrangement, which still involves security and customs checks entering into the shenghzen or however it's spelled zone. I'm fine with that.
Clinton also voted in favor of bills increasing border security historically. |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:34 PM Author: bull headed transparent stead Yeah how's that working out for Europe? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045426) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:41 PM Author: odious lake laser beams Really well until Merkel fucked it all up (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045490) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:52 PM Author: mind-boggling boiling water goyim ....with open borders? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046176) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:20 PM Author: Iridescent becky private investor lol ok (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045310) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:26 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs Name one. ONE.
Let's just be honest here. |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:29 PM Author: cordovan twisted menage LIBERALS RALLY AGAINST ANY AND ALL BORDER CONTROL AND IMMIGRATION RESTRICTIONS.
What do you think that means you fucking idiot? |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:32 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs I'm not aware of any liberals who RALLY AGAINST ANY AND ALL BORDER CONTROL AND IMMIGRATION RESTRICTIONS. that would be nuts, and it isn't the libtard position, okay. You are making cartoons and laughing at your cartoons you've made. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045409) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:37 PM Author: drunken multi-colored mexican bawdyhouse "Imagine" all the people, minus whites, is the lib position (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045457) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:38 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs I'm not aware of any liberals who RALLY AGAINST ANY AND ALL BORDER CONTROL AND IMMIGRATION RESTRICTIONS. that would be nuts, and it isn't the libtard position, okay. You are making cartoons and laughing at your cartoons you've made.
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:40 PM Author: Iridescent becky private investor yfwgi (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045479) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:40 PM Author: drunken multi-colored mexican bawdyhouse Just do, trick white women to gc and have no kids, import masses of people and don't enforce laws on the books about immigration bc it's "not who we are" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045484) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:01 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs who is saying don't enforce laws on the books about immigration bc it's "not who we are"? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045660) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:06 PM Author: drunken multi-colored mexican bawdyhouse Last president in words and in actions (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045704) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:08 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs when did he not enforce laws on the books "because that's not who we are." what unique aspects of the case was such that he exercised HIS OWN FUCKING LAW ON THE BOOKS to enforce selectively BECAUSE HE CAN DO THAT BECAUSE HIS DISCRETION IN SO DOING IS A FUCKING LAW ON THE BOOKS. That is, executive discretion is part of the "law on the books" you seem to enjoy saying. But give me the examples of which you are so confident. |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:14 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs I'm waiting? Have you finished your google search yet?
My point is you guys make a caricature of the other side's position and fellate each other on the subject so much that you've lost sight of what the opposition is really saying. Which isn't what you say they are saying. |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:16 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs Far be it for me to say you guys are getting lied to on a daily basis and the diet of lies and mischaracterizations is not healthy for your minds. And we need healthy minds who know how to make considered and thoughtful decisions in a democracy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045799) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:21 PM Author: drunken multi-colored mexican bawdyhouse There is no more mischaracterized and lied about human being than Donald Trump. Ratings bursting on u fagets eating that obvious garbage up (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045846) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:41 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs "There is no more mischaracterized and lied about human being than Donald Trump." Wow! No other human being, then? Wow! He sure is grand, even in the amount of lies being spread about him. |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:42 PM Author: drunken multi-colored mexican bawdyhouse What a response Great thread btw |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:45 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs did I use the word hyperbole earlier in this thread? I must have ... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046113) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:20 PM Author: drunken multi-colored mexican bawdyhouse http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/06/23/supreme-court-blocks-obama-immigration-plan.html
Here's some shit Had to go to bing bc u subhumans filter conservative thought out of google |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:44 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs Lol I don't think this says what you think it says.
And while you are at it, were deportations UP or DOWN while Obama was president? Check on that fact for me. |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:48 PM Author: drunken multi-colored mexican bawdyhouse They re-classified captures at the border as deportations (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046140) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:53 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs lol
AND ... had the previous admin done the same, the results would be ...? |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:16 PM Author: drunken multi-colored mexican bawdyhouse So, ur point is that libs given discretion (in agency policies and executive actions) will not enforce borders (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045800) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:40 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs nope. you are having real difficulty w nuance here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046053) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:17 PM Author: racy antidepressant drug (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045807) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:35 PM Author: drunken multi-colored mexican bawdyhouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045988) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:43 PM Author: Amethyst Pozpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046089) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:50 PM Author: Mischievous curious toaster (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046163) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:52 PM Author: magenta mediation dingle berry This tweet has no context and is a quote within a silly article. How is someone supposed to respond to this?
Revulsion at trumps immigration plan can be reasonably based on its over and under inclusiveness. You can't assume it undermines the lib strategy of open borders and unfettered access to welfare. Even attributing this to libs makes you sound off |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:07 PM Author: Amethyst Pozpig "Revulsion at trumps immigration plan can be reasonably based on its over and under inclusiveness"
sure, i agree. however, IME at a t10, and i'm sure IYE in your NYC/v10/etc circles, i never heard anyone agree for *any* restrictions on immigration. the question was always how we could get more, especially from "disadvantaged" countries.
"approaching open borders asymptotically" seems like a good way of describing this, because while not open borders as such, it's a monotonic decrease in restrictions where the epsilon btw current state of affairs and actual open borders is forever diminishing. i guess you could argue that the limit towards which it tends is some number > 0, but that's kinda breaking a butterfly upon a wheel |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:18 PM Author: magenta mediation dingle berry Well there is a system of screening in place that people already accept as valid so that woyld tend to reduce the discussion about the need for "any" restrictions. Even so we aren't Europe so there are systematic challenges from letting anyone in to refugee centers and across borders which reduces logistically the numbers.
If you want to take German and Swedish mentality and import it here you might be incorrect about several assumptions you have about libs. |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:26 PM Author: Amethyst Pozpig "Well there is a system of screening in place that people already accept as valid so that woyld tend to reduce the discussion about the need for "any" restrictions"
the system currently in place commands only grudging and uncommitted support among implementing bureaucracies, municipal administrations in sanctuary cities, prestige journalism, universities, etc. i agree that most libs would say that they support some restrictions on immigration. however, they say this while continuing to support policies and politicians that act as a one-way ratchet to increase at least some kinds of immigration. it's this ratchet affect that is the point of "asymptotic".
like a lot of systems, and of course i'm not excepting shitcon ones, our de facto immigration system is an emergent system that only vaguely resembles the de jure one -- as it actually exists, it arises from the interaction among land routes, human trafficking, tolerated practices, corruption, the will to enforce, out-of-touch boomer sentiment, corporations' imperatives to exploit labor, etc. the % of libs who would say "i am for open borders" must of course be tiny, but that's not what shitcons are complaining about. |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:49 PM Author: magenta mediation dingle berry I don't agree that it's what shit cons are complaining about. See the original post in this chain, extrapolating a comment which I assume is about energy [not enough info and I checked Wikileaks] to people and attributing it to a party as a mainstream idea.
You and I agree that our immigration system is largely based on traffic routes. I also agree with your insinuation that this can and will be exploited but I find the liberal position on escaping war zones (or sending your children alone to escape them) fully sympathetic.
I'm not sure whether posters on this board are concerned more about Muslim terrorists entering the country or welfare Mexicans. Our conversations about immigration should not be confused with our asylum system |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:57 PM Author: magenta mediation dingle berry I need to go in case you've not begun a response (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046791) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 4:00 PM Author: Amethyst Pozpig sorry, had an annoying work email (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046821) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:59 PM Author: Amethyst Pozpig "attributing it to a party as a mainstream idea"
well, i'm willing to attribute ever-decreasing restrictions on immigration to the democratic party as a mainstream idea. i agree that we won't end up with open borders, but we'll end up with de facto open borders for the kinds of people that mainstream democrats don't object to admitting.
"I'm not sure whether posters on this board are concerned more about Muslim terrorists entering the country or welfare Mexicans."
i mean, i've gone through the immigration system recently. it's very restrictive if you are a MC+ person who pays taxes. it was really hard to get a green card in the first place. however, it seems to be very easy to get in either as a hardship case or via chain migration. at my citizenship ceremony, it was mostly ppl from third world countries who clearly did not go through the same system i did.
"Our conversations about immigration should not be confused with our asylum system"
both systems are serving as levers to rapidly change the nation's demographics. this is not exactly deliberate on the part of libs, but they're hardly upset about it. is it surprising to you that this offends the heritage population? |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 4:31 PM Author: underhanded irradiated hissy fit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34047067) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 4:47 PM Author: Hairraiser double fault factory reset button Chain is a much longer waitlist especially for "oversubscribed" nations of origin.
Not sure what you mean by hardship, but political asylum is a crapshoot - introducing an element of chance that MC+ professional immigrants choose not to contend with (but asylum seekers have no choice but to content with) .
Agree that UMC professionals have to jump through TOO MANY hoops and wait way too long to get in. But now that you're here, you can pull in your own chain of immigrants too! |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 4:54 PM Author: Amethyst Pozpig "Not sure what you mean by hardship, but political asylum is a crapshoot - introducing an element of chance that MC+ professional immigrants choose not to contend with (but asylum seekers have no choice but to content with)."
my hearing was 50% people from three specific third-world countries. seems unlikely that group was solely asylees. i guess both liberals and conservatives can agree this is good, liberals because they are per se diverse and conservatives because they'll make good minimum wage labor till they're blown out in the wrists, back and knees by age 50, at which point they can be tossed on the scrap heap of whatever's left of the disability and retirement system.
i don't want to pull a chain. i want to be american, not live in a ghetto, a colony or an enclave. |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 5:21 PM Author: Flatulent cyan chad scourge upon the earth http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/8/hillary-clinton-dreams-open-borders-leaked-speech-/
why do you think that might be |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:17 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs blah blah blah missing the point of OP (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045284) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:17 PM Author: adulterous brunch i don't and I'm a shitlib (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045289) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:18 PM Author: Seedy Green Jew Selfie Hope you didnt vote for Clinton then (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045303) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:24 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs See above. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045343) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:43 PM Author: magenta mediation dingle berry Can't believe this came after, not before, the op. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046093) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:15 PM Author: 180 Dysfunction (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045279) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:17 PM Author: odious lake laser beams Lolling hard at contards being consistent (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045286) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:05 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs cr. if there's one thing conturds are not, its consistent (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045696) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:17 PM Author: adulterous brunch define white culture (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045287) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:18 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs this one is just nuts--following OP's suggestion may be too cognitively demanding for him. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045301) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:20 PM Author: 180 Dysfunction (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045312) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:26 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs So how do we get to libtards are evil? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045357) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:28 PM Author: 180 Dysfunction (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045372) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:30 PM Author: adulterous brunch i don't support feminism, i don't mind SECULAR Islam and gays already have rights so they need to sit the fuck down. Gays have as many rights as heteros and giving them more rights won't make them any less likely to get bullied in high school (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045395) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:32 PM Author: 180 Dysfunction (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045414) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:38 PM Author: adulterous brunch how do shitcons crow about states right and personality responsibility and freedom yet right rules on the books governing peoples behavior in their own god damn bedroom (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045463) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:39 PM Author: 180 Dysfunction Please expand on the question posed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045476) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:57 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs Lol. Engrish, mother fucker... You Speak It?
You meant to say Please expand on your answer to the question posed. Dumb shit. |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:28 PM Author: 180 Dysfunction Exactly what I said. Waiting on an answer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045928) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:38 PM Author: bull headed transparent stead i don't support feminism, i don't mind SECULAR Islam and blacks already have rights so they need to sit the fuck down. Blacks have as many rights as whites and giving them more rights won't make them any less likely to fail out of high school (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045462) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:33 PM Author: vermilion stage Most liberals don't "support" Islams teaching on woman, gays, etc or in general, we (and I'm more of a centrist but whatever) just believe that (1) people should be able to exercise their religion peaceably without discrimination and (2) firing up people against Islam plays right into Isis hands because ifs gives them great propaganda / dissastisfisd Muslims who think that America hates them (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045416) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:25 PM Author: Adventurous ticket booth incel Islam is expressly against "letting people exercise their religion peaceably without discrimination". They kill people born into Islam that show indication that they do not believe in Islam. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046446) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:40 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs Jimmy's not denying that in his poast though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046593) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:46 PM Author: vermilion stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046652) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 5:00 PM Author: Adventurous ticket booth incel If you respect people's individual freedom of conscience, you should oppose Islam. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34047276) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:45 PM Author: vermilion stage Yes and if that's how people practice Islam, it's wrong. If that happened in the US (which I don't believe it does, at least not frequently given the millions ofMuslims who lived here) we woul prosecute the perpetrators for murder. It doesn't change my position above. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046645) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:52 PM Author: Amethyst Pozpig the brits allowed pakistani rape gangs to develop in, among other cities, rotherham, rochdale, oxford, telford, bristol, aylesbury, peterborough, and newcastle. fathers were jailed for attempting to intervene and investigations were suppressed out of fear of seeming racist.
i am not accusing you of supporting pakistani rape gangs, of course. i'm saying that while, in theory, the lib position is that "people should be able to exercise their religion peaceably without discrimination", in practice, this winds up providing cover for all kinds of terrifying shit.
libs are perfectly capable of understanding this point when it cuts the other way. for example, a traditionalist might argue that a father should have some kind of legal powers of "headship" for a family. after all, he is responsible for his kids' support and for their behavior if they get out of line. libs would then, quite reasonably, point out that any such powers would benefit abusers and domestic tyrants.
"peaceful exercise of religion" is a fraught subject when the religion at issue tends to serve as a flashpoint for ethnic conflict. note that few brits are MAF anymore about sikhs or hindus. we don't have the same conversations about muslims that we do about buddhists, and it's either dishonest or foolish to pretend that irrational animus against muslims is the only reason way. |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 4:43 PM Author: 180 Dysfunction Ignored by every lib itt
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 4:48 PM Author: heady institution (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34047204) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 4:54 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs Yes but the place to start is in the libtard platform point. Starting from there, you will have differences of opinion as to scope of problem, what options to curtail risk (perceived or nonexistent), and relative costs of those risks. The problem that conturds have, as I respectfully see it, is you don't show your homework. First, let's agree in principle that its wrong to fuck with someone's religion or in principle wrong to discriminate against people on the basis of their belief. So long as we are all working from the same set of foundational beleifs, we can move forward. Conturds too often forget the foundational beliefs when it comes to talking aout people who are different from us, and its not to say that conturds don't have the same foundational belif, but because you skip right past that it makes it harder for libtards to trust anything else that comes outta yo mouth. So agree on the basic platforms, and then discuss accordingly. and it may be that you don't value those sorts of fairness principles, in which case we have a real difference of opinion. |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 5:03 PM Author: Amethyst Pozpig "Starting from there, you will have differences of opinion as to scope of problem, what options to curtail risk (perceived or nonexistent), and relative costs of those risks."
lol linda sarsour was a top leader of the women's march
"So agree on the basic platforms, and then discuss accordingly."
OK. i agree that we have to respect religious freedom. can i say that britain has a pakistani rape gang problem now? not in the UK. ppl get fired for saying stuff like that there. that's why it was covered up for so long.
again, libs don't have a hard time understanding this when it cuts the other way. libs have a very easy time understanding that roman catholic priests were able to use prestige and professional networks to avoid the consequences of abusing kids. but when the issue is islamic immigration and social integration, speech is chilled to such an extent that nuanced views (including those of moderate libs) don't get aired.
xo shitconnery is partially performative, a way of acting out in response to thuggishly chilled public speech. it's growing less performative and more sincere as ppl get more and more frustrated at shitlib inability to hear "rape gangs are bad" without screaming racism and trying to get ppl doxed and fired. |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 5:18 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs yeah, you've just gone off the deep end here. Why not respond to what ive poasted without the need to resort to talking about Pakistani rape. If you want to talk about Pakistani rape, be my guest, but at least show your work on how you get from my poast to Pakistani rape. |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 5:19 PM Author: Amethyst Pozpig no u (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34047406) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 5:23 PM Author: Adventurous ticket booth incel Srsly? Libs tricked and censored Brits re Islam which lead to this happening in their country. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34047435) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:26 PM Author: insanely creepy orchid temple (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045360) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:19 PM Author: 180 Dysfunction Everything that makes this country great and any other non white country shit
There is a reason we operate at a high level and India bathes in dead body filled waters |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:20 PM Author: adulterous brunch be specific shit head (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045313) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:21 PM Author: 180 Dysfunction Go to a house in mexico. Use the toilet. Try to flush toilet paper down the toilet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045322) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:28 PM Author: adulterous brunch so white culture is also Tokyo? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045374) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:29 PM Author: 180 Dysfunction Notice how you didn't point to India or Brazil. Asians are high iq and can operate countries on their own successfully. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045388) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:32 PM Author: adulterous brunch do you realize how shitty European countries are outside of a few metropolises jack asses. Shitty plumbing, shitty electricity, unreliable governments services for the commons...etc. they aren't too far removed from mud huts (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045410) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:17 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs blah blah blah missing the point of OP (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045288) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:23 PM Author: chrome water buffalo people who are hurt Yes, the extinction of whites is what libs are after (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045339) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:24 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs I don't know any libs who are after the extinction of whites. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045346) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:25 PM Author: chrome water buffalo people who are hurt Right sarcasm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045353) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:27 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs Name one. ONE. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045362) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:30 PM Author: chrome water buffalo people who are hurt My original post was sarcasm..very difficult to think of libs (groups or individuals) that espouse white extinction (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045393) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:17 PM Author: Amethyst Pozpig shitcons pass ideological Turing tests at much higher rates, so I'm afraid that SCIENCE! says you are wrong
for one concrete bort-related example, Christian Nation is basically a gigantic failed ideological Turing test |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:22 PM Author: Rose angry native shitlib (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045325) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:28 PM Author: Amethyst Pozpig lol spaceporn will never respond to this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045376) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:29 PM Author: Amethyst Pozpig lol i was right, what a clitdick fag spaceporn is (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045935) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:34 PM Author: vermilion stage I mean this is a dumb comment. Christian Nation was one BIGLAW partners silly novel, it's not representative of the liberal outlook anymore than the Turner diaries represents the republican POV (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045429) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:57 PM Author: Sick chartreuse nursing home philosopher-king Uh, no. Millions of shitlibs are watching the "Handmaiden's Tale" TV series based on a book that is a slightly more literary Christian Nation and are LITERAL SHAKING about how it could HAPPEN HERE. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045641) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:02 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs Name a shitlib of the millions who are purportedly watching handmaidens tale who is LITERALLY SHAKING about how it could HAPPEN HERE. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045671) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 7:08 PM Author: wonderful den https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/30/us/handmaids-protests-abortion.html?mcubz=3 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34048146) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 7:19 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs yep. well, there's a few.
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:08 PM Author: Amethyst Pozpig it was a conspicuous example of one lib failing an ITT, not proof that all libs will fail ITT nor offered as such (though i note that it was favorably blurbed by all kinds of people, indicating they either didn't read it or they themselves failed an ITT by blurbing it). low IQ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045715) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:17 PM Author: heady institution Well, except for all the reviews suggesting otherwise:
"Rich's Christian Nation is more than a 'what if'- as the 'theocratic program' unfolds, our usual 'So what?' regarding fundamentalism of any variety becomes the real danger. Pay attention. What's at stake is the heart and soul of American democracy." -James Kowalski, dean of the Cathedral Church of St. John the Divine. Naturally, that's an Episcopal Church.
"This riveting novel should join Sinclar Lewis's It Can't Happen Here as an American classic... a chain letter for liberty." -Nadine Strosser, former ACLU president
"Mr. Rich's narrative brings the issues of religion and politics in American into relational and personal view. His is a compelling and timely parable for our time." -Rev. Robert Allan Hill, professor of New Testament theology at Boston University
“Brilliant 1984-style dystopian novel of a Christian theocracy under President Palin and her successor . . . read Fred Rich’s Christian Nation and learn fear.”
—-Richard Dawkins, November 2014 [Somebody was updating this over a year after the book came out]
“Frederic C. Rich’s book, Christian Nation: A Novel is a thought-provoking futuristic look at what the evangelicals and their Republican Party enablers might envision for America’s future.”
—-D. Leslie Schreiber of Bacon’s Rebellion
“[W]ell written and persuasive . . . It does achieve its intended purpose by demonstrating how a theocratic government could arise in this country. It has an imaginative plot of a seriously conspiratorial nature. For those who might enjoy a work that entwines political, legal and religious themes, “Christian Nation” is a worthwhile read.”
—-Pittsburgh Post-Gazette |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:20 PM Author: Mischievous curious toaster (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045830) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:20 PM Author: vermilion stage I don't read any of those publications or know who those people are, except for Dawkins. Anyway, I preferred your review. I think 99 percent of democrats (and all Americans) have never even heard of that book. *I* never heard of it until xoxo started talking about it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045836) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:24 PM Author: heady institution Only two of those are really publications. The rest are just notable left-wingers (liberal religious leaders, ex-ACLU head, Dawkins) talking about how spooky and plausible Rich's take was, when anybody who actually is a conservative religious person can see on face how ridiculous it is.
There's also the Amazon reviews, which are quite positive:
https://www.amazon.com/Christian-Nation-Frederic-C-Rich/dp/0393240118 |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:33 PM Author: vermilion stage Well I'm not arguing whether it's a good book or not. I never read it but t seemed dumb. I'm arguing as to whether liberals brought into it as a plausible scenario of the what the right would do. My point is not only did they not do that, the vast, vast majority of liberals have never even heard of this book. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045970) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:38 PM Author: heady institution Your claim was that Christian Nation is a random novel that doesn't represent anything greater. But it seems like a very large percentage of leftists who come into contact with it find it very believable and a high-quality dystopia. So...how is that not evidence libs have a warped view of the right?
Of course, you may be an instance of this warped view, insofar as you've called me a Nazi sympathizer for...some reason. |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:51 PM Author: vermilion stage I said you were making common cause with Klansman or Nazis by refusing to condemn Trump's Charlottesville comments, which were designed to give comfort to them and other hate-mongers on the alt right. I did delete that comment for reasons we've already been over. That was a week ago. Still bothering you?
Most "leftists" have not read the book, and your cherry-picked reviews doesn't really say anythin about how the leftists that read feel as a group. I would imagine many found it preposterous, but who knows. My point was that the book isn't akin to Atlas Shrugged--- most democrats who are actively following politics have never heard of that stupid book, and view our irreligious, imbecile of a president as a far greater threat than the religious right. |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:19 PM Author: heady institution Why should I pretend it didn't happen just because you deleted it? You didn't misspeak and you meant every word of it. It's certainly worth bringing up when you try to pose as some above-it-all moderate. I said it was ridiculous to claim the president was deliberately comforting Nazis or Klansmen, because he has no record of doing that and there was zero gain in doing so, and in response you just said I supported the Nazis and Klansmen,. It's a ridiculous claim, and a severe non sequitur at best (I claim Trump doesn't support Nazis because...I support Nazis?) but it's also an excellent example in itself of the left not understanding their opponents, which is what this subthread is about.
"your cherry-picked reviews doesn't really say anythin about how the leftists that read feel as a group"
And the hundred-plus Amazon reviews don't? How about the 191 Goodreads reviews and 600+ ratings, where a large proportion of negative reviews appear to be from conservatives ridiculing it:
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/16241153-christian-nation
I haven't "cherry-picked" anything. I'm just linking every review I can find, and they're overwhelmingly positive. Want more?
https://thehumanist.com/magazine/march-april-2014/arts_entertainment/christian-nation https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2013/11/23/1257925/--Christian-Nation-A-review http://www.secularism.org.uk/blog/2016/07/book-review--christian-nation-by-frederic-c-rich http://www.patheos.com/blogs/creativeatheist/2013/09/a-christian-nation-is-only-a-novel-for-now/
Well, here's a skeptical review from the Plain Dealer, mostly focused on its lack of strong literary merit. I guess that proves not everybody loves it:
http://www.cleveland.com/books/index.ssf/2013/07/post_59.html
Also weird you contrast it with Atlas Shrugged, a book that has many fans but is in fact routinely bashed on the right for all sorts of reasons. Certainly this bort has ridiculed Rand plenty.
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:40 PM Author: vermilion stage Let me reiterate this one more time, as clearly as I can: most people (on the left and in general) have never heard of that silly book and to claim it somehow informs the left's worldview is preposterous.
Trumps comments were designed to keep his"alt-right" base in the fold, and likely came from Bannon himself. Hardly "zero gain." Plenty of other people have already written about this. Condemn Trump for them, or not, I don't really care at this point, but it's obvious that's what he was doing. I didn't say you should pretend anything didn't happen. I acknowledged using the wrong words and said I didn't want to start an argument with you about it, because you generally seemed like a decent guy. Apparently, you disagree on that last point. (Edit: the point about not having an argument about it)
As for being a centrist, I would say I am one, which by xoxo standards is probably viewed as somewhere between the Shining Path and Emma Goldman. |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 4:38 PM Author: heady institution "Let me reiterate this one more time, as clearly as I can: most people (on the left and in general) have never heard of that silly book and to claim it somehow informs the left's worldview is preposterous."
This subthread isn't about what books "inform" the left's worldview. Go back up to the starting comment by swordmo; it's about the left being bad at Ideological Turing Tests (i.e. they don't understand how conservatives think). He just cited Christian Nation as an example of libs being bad at this. You claimed Christian Nation was non-representative, so I cited the hundreds of positive reviews it has received, including from prominent leftists, and the relative paucity of negative reviews. This suggests Rich's utter failure to understand conservatives is hardly limited to himself, and could be more general.
"Trumps comments were designed to keep his"alt-right" base in the fold, and likely came from Bannon himself."
Another example of the same phenomenon. Pretty much everything about Trump welcoming Nazis into the fold is based on media hysterics that either 1. Characterize people as Nazis regardless of their actual views (see Hillary's PSA on Pepe the Frog), or 2. Ridiculously stretch whatever Trump was actually saying. The absurd effort to tie Trump to David Duke a year ago was a signal example. Trump has never supported David Duke and has never shown any sign of backing Duke's worldview, but the media used some forced effort at a disavowal (which Trump resisted because he almost always resists this sort of media boxing-in) to claim he was a hidden Klansmen.
Just because you actually buy into the media's histrionics and repeat them yourself doesn't mean they're accurate. And if you think my disagreement puts me literally in league with Nazis and Klansmen, then, well, you're an idiot.
"I didn't say you should pretend anything didn't happen. I acknowledged using the wrong words and said I didn't want to start an argument with you about it, because you generally seemed like a decent guy."
How are they the wrong words, if they represent what you genuinely believe? You've never suggested you misspoke or went too far. You've only said you didn't want to start a fight. I believe you, but it doesn't matter. The fact is, you did start one, and you started it by saying something so ridiculous I'm not going to let it lie. If you don't like that...well, tough.
"As for being a centrist, I would say I am one, which by xoxo standards is probably viewed as somewhere between the Shining Path and Emma Goldman."
I wasn't denying you were a centrist, which you may be (though I don't think the term is useful; I come out as centrist on plenty of political surveys). I was criticizing what I believe is your effort to use self-proclaimed centrism as a weapon that demonstrates how you are more reasonable, more neutral, or more correct, etc. For instance, you did that while trying to tie me to Nazis. It's not convincing and in many ways is rather repellent. I've met enough "D.C. moderates" to have developed a healthy distaste for them. |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 4:42 PM Author: underhanded irradiated hissy fit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34047163) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 4:47 PM Author: heady institution Have I mentioned I love this moniker? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34047192) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 4:45 PM Author: 180 Dysfunction Satisfying read
Notice how every lib itt was a complete side stepping disingenuous faggot traitor |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 5:20 PM Author: vermilion stage You started this by responding to my comment: "Christian Nation was one BIGLAW partners silly novel, it's not representative of the liberal outlook anymore than the Turner diaries represents the republican POV". That was the goal poast, which you seem intent on moving. I don't really have the energy to continue this back and forth on my phone.
As for the alt-right and trump's embrace of them, I'm not buying into any hysterics. Go read the Spencer's manifesto on Altright.com if you're confused about what they stand for (and remember that Bannon has explicitly affiliated himself with the "alt-right"). Trump wants these people in his corner, though he probably does regret being a bit too explicit about it this time.
Calling me an idiot was a nice touch. A "healthy distaste" for moderates indeed.
EDIT: They were the wrong words because refusing to condemn Trumps support of the alt right isn't the same as making common cause with them, that's what Trump was doing by explicitly pandering for their support , you were merely refusing to say it was wrong (or even recognize/agree that it was happening). That's odious and wrong, but not the same as what I said. You seem rather obsessed with this, I have to say. But I don't believe you are intent on allying with the NeoNazis and you have my sincere apology for implying otherwise.
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 5:32 PM Author: Amethyst Pozpig 1. CXII: "Actually I support Trump and don't think he supports Nazis." 2. ??? 3. CXII supports Nazis! |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 5:33 PM Author: 180 Dysfunction BJS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34047504) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 8:04 PM Author: heady institution "You started this by responding to my comment: "Christian Nation was one BIGLAW partners silly novel, it's not representative of the liberal outlook anymore than the Turner diaries represents the republican POV". That was the goal poast, which you seem intent on moving. I don't really have the energy to continue this back and forth on my phone."
I've moved nothing. You said it wasn't representative, and compared it to an insane violent fantasy written by the founder of an obscure white nationalist group. I think that comparison is extremely weak, because:
1. This book, unlike TTD, was a mainstream book, with publicity on its behalf, reviews by notable people, etc. I literally found Christian Nation in the slush pile of free books at work.
2. Christian Nation has overwhelmingly positive reviews from those leftists who have read it, with particular praise for how plausible it is (as opposed to praising its writing, which comes in for some criticism).
The point isn't to prove Christian Nation is part of the lib canon. I doubt more than twenty thousand people have ever read it. The point is to show that Christian Nation, and its very positive reception, captures a general trend on the left of not really understanding the right, a trend that is backed up elsewhere (like in Jonathan Haidt's work).
"As for the alt-right and trump's embrace of them, I'm not buying into any hysterics. Go read the Spencer's manifesto on Altright.com if you're confused about what they stand for (and remember that Bannon has explicitly affiliated himself with the "alt-right"). Trump wants these people in his corner, though he probably does regret being a bit too explicit about it this time."
The term alt right was invented by Spencer, and he means it in a pretty Nazi way, but tons of people (including Bannon, in his case) have embraced the term "alt right" under its literal meaning of "alternative right," i.e. right of center but not aligned with the traditional GOP. I've explained this before, and you didn't really respond (http://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3699961&mc=347&forum_id=2#33981375).
"EDIT: They were the wrong words because refusing to condemn Trumps support of the alt right isn't the same as making common cause with them, that's what Trump was doing by explicitly pandering for their support , you were merely refusing to say it was wrong (or even recognize/agree that it was happening). That's odious and wrong, but not the same as what I said. You seem rather obsessed with this, I have to say. But I don't believe you are intent on allying with the NeoNazis and you have my sincere apology for implying otherwise."
Apology accepted. Glad we could work that out. |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 9:06 PM Author: vermilion stage I said that the Christian Nation is as irrelevant to modern liberalism as TTD is to modern conservativism: most people, including those who are involved with those movements, have not read the respective book. What "we" liberals are really concerned about is our moronic president getting us into a major war, not some religious people turning the US into a theocracy.
On the Bannon point, I find it hard to believe someone as smart as he is was ignorant of the term's origin and generally understood connotation when he used it. He complained about sending his kids to school with "Jews," after all. But sure, maybe he meant the alt-right lite, embracing all of cooky economic and foreign policy ideas but none of the racism and antisemitism. |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 10:14 PM Author: heady institution So, your argument for Bannon saying he's a Nazi is that Bannon is too smart to use an innocent label that could be misunderstood, but then he's also dumb enough to just publicly declare his allegiance to genocidal Nazi ideology? Even though this conflicts with other public statements he's made?
You're being incoherent.
And in any case, if you read the interview in question where Bannon uses the term, he pretty explicitly indicates that he views the alt-right as populist nationalism, not a white identity movement:
"Bannon dismisses the alt-right’s appeal to racists as happenstance. “Look, are there some people that are white nationalists that are attracted to some of the philosophies of the alt-right? Maybe,” he says. “Are there some people that are anti-Semitic that are attracted? Maybe. Right? Maybe some people are attracted to the alt-right that are homophobes, right? But that’s just like, there are certain elements of the progressive left and the hard left that attract certain elements.”
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"He complained about sending his kids to school with "Jews," after all. "
Well, if you fully believe the always-exaggerated statements of child custody disputes I guess.
Even then, what of it? Jews have a distinct sociocultural vibe, if he didn't want his kids in a school with that vibe, that's fine. It's hardly proof of political anti-Semitism, any more than not wanting your kids to attend a Catholic school is proof of political anti-Catholicism.
"I said that the Christian Nation is as irrelevant to modern liberalism as TTD is to modern conservativism: most people, including those who are involved with those movements, have not read the respective book."
Well, that was an odd point to bring up, considering nobody has ever claimed Christian Nation was widely read, only that it captures how many liberals think. Why did you bring up some unrelated non sequitur point instead of engaging with the actual claim?
Oh, wait, it's because you're ignoring what you yourself said just hours ago. For instance:
"Well I'm not arguing whether it's a good book or not. I never read it but t seemed dumb. I'm arguing as to whether liberals brought into it as a plausible scenario of the what the right would do."
So, no, you clearly argued that there's no evidence liberals thought Christian Nation was plausible or relevant, even though I've posted a mountain of examples you've never bother to engage with (besides claiming you "didn't read those publications". Publications like...being ex-head of the ACLU?)
"What "we" liberals are really concerned about is our moronic president getting us into a major war, not some religious people turning the US into a theocracy."
Well, you certainly haven't offered proof of that. Right now the Left seems far more obsessed with some supposed movement of powerful Nazis that must be stopped by smashing statues and abolishing free speech. Nobody is even talking about North Korea. On Iran, Afghanistan, and Russia, its neocons and the Left who are most militant. |
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Date: August 23rd, 2017 7:26 AM Author: vermilion stage - Bannon knows the alt right is full of racists and anti semites, and the quote you had doesn't really suggest otherwise. Is Bannon explicit about wanting these people in his movement? Of course not, he gets bad enough press as it is. Does he appeal to these people and want them in the "alt right" you created a platform for? You bet. That is why he used the term "alt-right" --- he knew what it meant, and he wants these people to support his agenda and Trump (and they did, overwhelmingly, in the 2016 election).
- saying "I don't want my kids to goto a school that has Jews" is pretty far cry from saying "I don't want my kid to go a school teaching catholic teachings." Come on. Also, not wanting your kid to go to school with Jews is pretty antisemetic. I'm not even sure Jews have distinct sociocultural vibe in 2017, but even if they did, so what? Not wanting your kids to goto a school that has Jews is just garden variety Antisemitism.
- As for Christian Nation I repeat what I said before: the vast majority of liberals have not read it and it has little relevance to the underpinnings of the movement, even if Richard Dawkins and some lady who just to be I. Charge of the ACLU did give it a favorable blurb. You seem to have trouble with this. Most liberals are more worried about your narcissistic, senile con man of a president doing something reckless and getting us into a war than we are about a theological takeover. If you want "proof" just read the zillions of op eds in the NYT of WaPo on this subject. I don't really care to debate the relevancy of an irrelevant novel any further.
- Lol at "no one talking" about North Korea and the left being the most militants when it comes to Iran (who threatened to tear up the nuke deal?). That's the most preposterous thing you've ever said - on this thread, anyway.
Anyway let's start a new thread if you really want to continue this. I can't read the tiny columns anymore. |
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Date: June 21st, 2018 10:23 PM Author: Navy exciting crotch >> saying "I don't want my kids to goto a school that has Jews" is pretty far cry from saying "I don't want my kid to go a school teaching catholic teachings." Come on. Also, not wanting your kid to go to school with Jews is pretty antisemetic. I'm not even sure Jews have distinct sociocultural vibe in 2017, but even if they did, so what? Not wanting your kids to goto a school that has Jews is just garden variety Antisemitism. <<
I'm sure you won't see this at this point, but iirc Bannon said that in context of the school being both jewish AND very wealthy.
My fiancee is Jewish and she grew up in a very affluent and Jewish town in NY and went to high school with with probably a majority that was affluent and jewish -- and not nearly as wealthy as the kids Bannon was talking about -- and she flat out said to me given her experience she 100% would not want her kids going to a school that affluent and jewish, for a host of reasons, not the least of which is how spoiled and neurotic they all are (and she's at least mildly neurotic).
She took Bannon's comments the same way as he meant them -- not that he hates jews, but that he simply knew he didn't want to raise his kids in that environment.
It's like someone who says they don't want to send their kids to Darien High School because it's too rich and preppy -- well, it is, and if that's not what they want they're better off not sending their kids to school there. I'd take no offense to that. |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 4:39 PM Author: underhanded irradiated hissy fit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34047134) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:24 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs I never heard of this book. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046435) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:25 PM Author: Amethyst Pozpig richard dawkins was an a-list public intellectual for a while. if he's favorably blurbing such a public fail, that's not good for your position (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045899) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 4:35 PM Author: underhanded irradiated hissy fit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34047105) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 5:49 PM Author: Amethyst Pozpig i just want to reiterate how mind-blowing it is that this faggot compares Christian Nation, a book blurbed by, inter alia, Richard Dawkins and reviewed favorably throughout the mainstream press, with the Turner Diaries, which was literally serialized in some mimeographed neo-nazi newsletter that circulated to like 1k people
it's like comparing national geographic to the proceedings of the flat earth society |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:13 PM Author: Mischievous curious toaster Do you have a link for that study? I recall reading it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045767) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:23 PM Author: Amethyst Pozpig one batch of results were reported in "the righteous mind", which came out in 2011 or 2012 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045870) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:25 PM Author: heady institution Here's that excerpt:
https://theindependentwhig.com/haidt-passages/haidt/conservatives-understand-liberals-better-than-liberals-understand-conservatives/ |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:58 PM Author: white spot preventive strike ran here to post this first result in google |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:10 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs Oh, were people on xo taking part in that study? ... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046315) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:51 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs Guess not ... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046729) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 5:07 PM Author: idiotic thirsty idiot spaceporn fasts in the desert for forty days, asking for God to find new ways for him to get brutally owned (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34047327) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 5:16 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs I mean, I'm still waiting. I said xo is constantly caricaturing libtards without properly stating their positions and evaluating--getting fucked up failure to launch style by not even phrasing the libtard position correctly, and someone points to a study that suggests conturds understand libtard positions better than libtards understand conturds, so I asked if anyone on xo participated in the study, which might make the article relevant to the OP. No answer. No response. Also, note, I didn't say that libtards don't do the same thing. But I'm talking about xo and xo only, and the conturd nonsense on xo is thick as fuck over what libtards, cartoon libtards, must believe and want. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34047385) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 5:22 PM Author: Amethyst Pozpig "someone points to a study that suggests conturds understand libtard positions better than libtards understand conturds"
you'd think this would be relevant to the topic, yes
if you want to limit your claims to xo, then no one can talk about society generally at all ITT. and you haven't been shy about doing that, so i have to assume this is an isolated demand for rigor, not a serious attempt at addressing the question |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:46 PM Author: Mischievous curious toaster Ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046123) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:49 PM Author: Mischievous curious toaster (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046159) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 4:34 PM Author: underhanded irradiated hissy fit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34047085) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:20 PM Author: Pungent glassy dilemma wrinkle in a huge number of cases the "reasonable" lib position is disingenuous bullshit pushed by people who agree with all of the premises of the radical shitlibs but don't want to think them through to all of their logical conclusions (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045314) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:33 PM Author: adulterous brunch most talking head libs don't speak for regular everyday libs
just like you racist phaggs don't represent most shitcons |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:36 PM Author: drunken multi-colored mexican bawdyhouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045450) |
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Date: September 12th, 2017 9:45 PM Author: Floppy base (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34196909) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:21 PM Author: blue provocative garrison hominid Do libs ever honestly articulate their own position? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045315) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:23 PM Author: Aquamarine Cruise Ship (Shitlib who has given up on explaining his deranged delusions) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045337) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:26 PM Author: Iridescent becky private investor I'm not really sure what they are (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045358) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:27 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs Okay. Good. Now TRY. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045368) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:32 PM Author: Iridescent becky private investor eat shit faggot. why don't you say what lib positions actually are since apparently libs don't want open boarders and we all have just been hallucinating the actual events of the past two years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045412) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:40 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs you have not seen the libtard position because you are unwilling to perform the basic exercise as presented by OP and have been so for at least the past two years. But you know, FUCK YOU LIBS and all that. |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:29 PM Author: vermilion stage Subject: Here are a few There's no good reason why we shouldn't have universal healthcare.
Universal basic income would be an improvement over the current Byzantine safety net.
We need to spend a lot of money to improve our infrastructure.
Tax rates on the ultrawealthy are too low.
Minorities face discrimination in a lot of areas.
As a public policy matter abortion should remain legal in all 50 states.
The Republican Party is engaged in an unconscionable voter suppression campaign.
The President is too stupid to be in charge of the country and its nuclear arsenal. |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:33 PM Author: cordovan twisted menage Great you just picked out some moderate positions ("need to spend a lot to improve infrastructure") or mild ways of stating more extreme positions ("minorities face a lot of discrimination")
Very few people are strongly against most of the above.
And lol at the "tax rates of ultra wealthy are too low". Very few dem politicians actually try to get this fine. They are controlled by their donors too. |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:36 PM Author: vermilion stage Many of those were key parts of the democratic platform last year. If they seem moderate that's because they are pretty sensible. If your point is that the Trump agenda is more insane then I am with you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045440) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:39 PM Author: cordovan twisted menage My point is that you left out tons of other shit or worded it misleadingly.
Shit in a platform is meant to sound moderate. |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:42 PM Author: Iridescent becky private investor cr. oooh "minorities face discrimination". yea great policy suggestion right there dicknose. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045503) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:43 PM Author: vermilion stage I'm trying to explain actual democratic positions, not XO's skewed perception of those positions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045511) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:52 PM Author: cordovan twisted menage Ljl. Just like GOP position on abortion is probably "support the right to life for alll" or something. Can't disagree with that can you?
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:55 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs actually the GOP would be using "rights" language wile the platform stated above steers clear of any such inflammatory terms. But to understand this you would have to understand about "Rights" language and that seems to be to hard for you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045635) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:07 PM Author: cordovan twisted menage Ljl wtf (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045713) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:12 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs exactly. Get educated first and then come back to me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045753) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:03 PM Author: vermilion stage I mean the GOP position is that Roe v Wade should be overturned, and states should be permitted to outlaw abortion (which many are already trying to do through more round about methods). That's exactly the opposite of what I said. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045681) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:07 PM Author: cordovan twisted menage Is that the language in the platform? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045709) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:13 PM Author: vermilion stage Overturning Roe v Wade? You bet (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045766) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:39 PM Author: Adventurous ticket booth incel The Rs see abortion as murder. They would not stop at "left to the states". Just like the Ds claim they want "sensible gun control" when they clearly want to disarm the populace. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046586) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:43 PM Author: chrome water buffalo people who are hurt "Tons of other shit" spouted off by the fringe left meant specifically to flame people like you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045519) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:51 PM Author: motley codepig area Baloney. Those are the underpinnings of modern liberal policy. Obama spoke about these themes and offered bills advancing these causes until he was blue in the face. These were his priorities. He was rebuffed by the GOP at every turn. Take a look at the bills drafted by the dems during the Obama administration.
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:54 PM Author: cordovan twisted menage You are so obtuse just like every lib on this board.
What is one for "minorities face discrimination" or whatever you said?
I'm sure there are many other ways to frame the policy position behind that. |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:38 PM Author: cobalt orchestra pit Board lib: This is what I think. <States position.> Board shitcon: No you don't think that. You actually think <insert straw man>. Board lib: No, I think what I just said. Board shitcon: No you don't.
Rinse, repeat. |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:09 PM Author: cordovan twisted menage Except that wasn't the opening statement dipshit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046306) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:28 PM Author: cobalt orchestra pit "Here are a few" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046492) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:50 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046712) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:55 PM Author: Iridescent becky private investor stop talking out of your asshole (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045632) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:04 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs Latham's pretty fucking dead on here guys. You poor caricature makers are getting seriously gaped here. Just for one moment try to do what OP suggested at the beginning of this thread and you wont be quite so susceptible to getting gaped so hard. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045690) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:54 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs "Worded it misleadingly." More like used neutral language to state policy platforms. Didn't seem particularly libtard partisan either, which if he was wording it misleadingly presumably that's what he would be going for. You seem to be resisting the proposal in the OP. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045626) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:11 PM Author: cordovan twisted menage Brother I think your flame is 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046332) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:47 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045555) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:36 PM Author: chrome water buffalo people who are hurt A majority of the democratic party is in line with the moderate wording here, and not further left (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045447) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:37 PM Author: vermilion stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045453) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:43 PM Author: bull headed transparent stead There's no good reason why adults shouldn't be responsible for their own healthcare. Universal basic income would turn the ghetto into a literal war zone. Children would go hungry as their mothers spend their UBI on drugs.
States need to spend a lot of money to improve their own infrastructure.
Tax rates on the ultrawealthy result in them paying 85% of all income tax. How much more should we ask them to pay?
Minorities take every slight and assume it only occurred due to bigotry, when in reality people are rude regardless of race.
As a public policy matter abortion should remain legal in all 50 states in the first trimester or if the mothers life is in jeopardy
The Democrat Party thinks blacks are too stupid to get drivers licenses.
The President is in charge of the country and because libs don't like his agenda of putting citizens first, they make up lies (Russian collusion, Trump is a nazi sympathizer) to discredit him.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045381) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:58 PM Author: vermilion stage Response:
- Virtually every other advanced country has universal healthcare.
- People living in the ghetto already get lots of wealthfare, UBI would streamline the process and remove the incentive against work that a lot of programs have.
- States and the federal government should both be spending money. Lot easier for the Feds to raise funds.
- The 85 percent figure is wrong unless you consider $250k per year to be ultra wealthy.
- There are a lot of studies that show institutionalized discrimination to this day. That discrimination contributes to the "victimization" attitude, as do other things.
- Sounds like we agree on abortion, but most pro-life people would go further in restricting it.
- no idea what you mean by "blacks are too stupid to get drivers licenses".Licenses cost money and also not everyone drives.
- Trump discredits himself with his own mouth. He's an unstable, narcissistic conman, and he does indeed sympathize with Nazis and the rest of the alt right, praising the "very good people" among them. |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:11 PM Author: bull headed transparent stead This country was built on individualism and we don't want to be like low GDP/capita shit countries. We didnt become the greatest country in the history of the species by being like everyone else. Pay your own way loser.
- libs would never allow UBI without other benefits.
- States need to pay for their own infrastructure, not steal from other states via the fed gov.
- There are a lot of (((studies))) that show what they are commissioned to show. Institutions bend over backward to appeal to minorities and hire them.
Libs think having to show an ID to vote is disenfranchising. Everyone except the most degenerate people have IDs.
- Trump said some people supporting the statues are "very good people." He never said some nazis are good people. Libs are just disengenuous shitheads. |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:16 PM Author: vermilion stage So sharp. And a nice touch wth the parentheses. Maybe you can go write for the National Policy Institute. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045798) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:37 PM Author: drunken multi-colored mexican bawdyhouse So, ur done here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046017) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:53 PM Author: vermilion stage Why would I waste time debating with a moron? You're right, I am finished with him. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046182) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:24 PM Author: bull headed transparent stead Lmao you couldn't hang with the champ son (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046437) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:28 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs Jimmy got it done. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046487) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:22 PM Author: Iridescent becky private investor - "Virtually every other advanced country has universal healthcare." therefore no further analysis needs to be done as to how and if it would work here. very confidence inspiring.
- so the solution is more and easier to get welfare?
- infrastructure is fine if it's stuff we actually need. problem is libs want to spend it on wind farms and high speed rail.
- libs only wanting to raise taxes on the wealthy is the lie of the century. they want to and in fact get excited about raising taxes on the middle class. why? because it makes them more like the lower class and more dependent on libs to provide them shit. raising taxes on the middle classes is like the holy grail to libs.
- bunch of bullshit non-actionable statements. state an actual policy to fix racism if you think one exists, otherwise stfu.
- usa already has some of the most lax abortion laws in the world. we don't need roe v wade repealed but we also don't want a country where you can get abortions at CVS and 12 year old girls can get iuds from school nurses w/o parental consent.
- the impact of either that or ppl voting illegally is pretty minimal. the worst imo even though it's legal, are the organized "voter drives" done in ghettos where minorities are bused in, told how to vote, and then probably given a sandwich afterwards. it just a reminder how minorities nothing more than cattle who are able to vote in the minds of libs. but yea, we're the racist ones.
- Trump is great and his win in november was a huge victory for american democracy and our way of life. also no, he's not dumber than any of our other recent potuses. |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:46 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045549) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:54 PM Author: Crusty Bat-shit-crazy Rehab Pocket Flask JFC. These are considered "moderate reasonable positions"? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045623) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:56 PM Author: bull headed transparent stead Free shit cradle to grave is reasonable and moderate!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045637) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:41 PM Author: Amethyst Pozpig without responding to these individually on their merits, c'mon man, it's really disingenuous to pretend that these are "the liberal position". you can find some people on the right to argue the other side of each of these, but not as many as you think (e.g. around half of republicans don't want Roe completely overturned).
but e.g. on abortion, the actual moderate liberal position is, as articulated by hilldawg on the debate stage, that late-term restrictions (with health outs) may be worth discussing. (bernie's position is no restrictions ever for any reason). source: i read it in mother jones. so "remain legal in all 50 states" is a very minimal statement of the liberal position, one that would have buyin from a lot of republican voters (and a lot of prominent bort republicans, like fish, mandy and earl).
likewise, i don't think even the sickest stormfront reptiles would deny that "[m]inorities face discrimination in a lot of areas". rather, the question is what do we do about it, does anything need to be done about it, is one-way discrimination the whole story, are claimed proofs of discrimination valid, how do we prevent hysterical and media-driven overreactions, what do we do about difficult questions of natural inequality, etc.
basically your list is elaborate self-justifying flame, and either you know this and you're just being a shithead, or you don't and you are busily failing your own ITT ITT. |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:43 PM Author: fragrant gay twinkling uncleanness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046091) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:49 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs He's not commenting on the merits--he's just stating some libtard positions as far as he can push them consistent with the instructions outlined in the OP. Why is this so hard? |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:03 PM Author: Amethyst Pozpig from your OP:
"Just take the basic libtard position on a subject and state it clearly"
"the basic libtard position" on abortion is not "it should be legal in some form in all states". as i demonstrated by citing to position statements from both D presidential candidates this cycle, it's that there should be few to no restrictions on it. jimmy clausen did not state "the basic libtard position", he stated a compromise position that would command broad bipartisan support.
likewise re minorities. few shitcons disagree that minorities sometimes face discrimination. that's such a broad, bland statement that you'd have to be a little dim -- spaceporn-level dim, perhaps -- to disagree with it. per this piece, e.g., 38% of republicans favor AA for minorities: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/08/28/americans-think-minorities-face-more-discrimination-than-women-but-should-get-less-affirmative-action/?utm_term=.a880aa7079ef
so, again, he didn't state "the basic libtard position", he stated a broadly acceptable position with bipartisan support. perhaps the takeaway is that even self-identified libtards aren't willing to be honest about the specifics of what they want. |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:11 PM Author: cordovan twisted menage Spaceporn is excellent flame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046328) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:54 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs he's right on libtard abortion. Dead right. He's right on discrimination statement, which he has to be a bit more guarded on to be as inclusive as possible in his drafting.
The fact that these have large bipartisan support only means that your "libtard" is a fiction--a caricature of the basic libtard position.
I can tell you this now by looking clearly at the writing. I know that doesn't mean anything to you, but given that he's made an effort to be intellectually honest in his summary, I have to say I think its more likely that your view of what libtards actually believe is what is inaccurate here, not his summary. Others would agree and have agreed already. |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 4:01 PM Author: Amethyst Pozpig "he's right on libtard abortion. Dead right."
shit, i'm pwned by this vigorous assertion |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 4:56 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs As opposed to your vigorous assertion, which, no one reading the list would agree with unless they are so partisan they cant think clearly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34047257) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 5:11 PM Author: Amethyst Pozpig well, that's not an "assertion", it's something that must be true given the % of republicans who say they support some degree of abortion right (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34047352) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 4:37 PM Author: underhanded irradiated hissy fit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34047119) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:56 PM Author: magenta mediation dingle berry Brother I think this is a reptile trying to be fair (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046209) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:08 PM Author: Amethyst Pozpig do you still think jimmy clausen is a reptile after clicking this link?
http://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&mc=190&forum_id=2#34046169 |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:42 PM Author: vermilion stage I am probably left of center overall but conservative on a lot of issues (immigration, most law and order stuff, many socia issues) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046614) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:55 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs I know, right!? JFC sometimes the conturd contingent on XO is just ... fucking out there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046773) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:38 PM Author: 180 Dysfunction Libs completely gaped itt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045460) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:39 PM Author: Erotic pearly tanning salon feces *opens thread*
*sees OP is Spaceporn*
*immediately closes xo and trashes computer* |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:20 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs Yes, I AM getting tired of winning. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045837) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:40 PM Author: concupiscible indirect expression I often do, and I also used to be quite liberal and still and Bush-era lib on many issues.
I even try to steer unhinged libs into a reasonable lib position, away from what's usually some incredibly conclusory hyperbolic nonsense.
And fwiw I recommend libs do this exercise, too. If the opposition view strikes you as totally foreign and based on weird principles, maybe you should learn to speak that language just a little bit so you can understand them. And then I get intelligent libs responding that only sociologists are able to analyze demographics and statistics and culture and I should shut up and defer to them. |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:42 PM Author: 180 Dysfunction lol I honestly hate libs more than I hate pepito (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045500) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:49 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs And fwiw I recommend libs do this exercise, too. If the opposition view strikes you as totally foreign and based on weird principles, maybe you should learn to speak that language just a little bit so you can understand them.
cr but we don't have that problem on this particular boart at the moment. |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:59 PM Author: concupiscible indirect expression MANY sides, bro. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046811) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:54 PM Author: drunken multi-colored mexican bawdyhouse TL; DR OP makes thread about "understanding", "[honesty]", and "good faith". Practises none in a worthless exercise |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:01 PM Author: chrome water buffalo people who are hurt Tldr...stop caricaturizing the other side in an attempt to make blanket arguments about all libs/cons (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045667) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:23 PM Author: drunken multi-colored mexican bawdyhouse ESL? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045876) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 4:49 PM Author: 180 Dysfunction (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34047208) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 1:55 PM Author: swashbuckling rambunctious station lettuce I do this all the time OP. I think a lot of poasting is a bit of strawmanning extreme positions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045634) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:05 PM Author: chrome water buffalo people who are hurt Some strawmanning is ok for creative purpoposes/entertainment value...But there is a line where it just becomes absurd propaganda (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045695) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:21 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045848) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:23 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs welp there are p[eople who spend hours and hours on here every day. and when stuff becomes absurd they are softened up and don't realize something is just an absurd mischaracterization, esp when others are cheering them on. so its good to raise the issue that conturds are constantly misidentifying and mischaracterizing libtarditry to the point where they don't actually KNOW the libtard position on things, and 9 times out of ten its nowhere near what they've been telling themselves it is. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045873) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:21 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045844) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:14 PM Author: Titillating low-t windowlicker lodge Please list a few lib positions, then we can respond. Tyia (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34045781) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:18 PM Author: Mischievous curious toaster Libs: civil union -> gay marriage -> tranny bathrooms -> pedo mayors?
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:49 PM Author: kink-friendly step-uncle's house regret (libtard unable to articulate his positions) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046150) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 2:53 PM Author: white spot preventive strike 1) We are all human beings, We are all equal 2) therefore group differences must be the result of discrimination 3) if we end discrimination we will eliminate group differences 4) efforts to end discrimination have disappointing outcomes 5) there must be some sort of insidious hidden discrimination 6) we must redouble our efforts
is this about right? |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:14 PM Author: Mischievous curious toaster I'm sure op will get to this one soon enough (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046357) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:20 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs on the one issue of race I think you've about got it.
I suppose another view on it is that its better to propagate this rather than any alternative as people just aren't going to get along with each other if any other alternative is entertained.
FWIW I've made my position on race issues abundantly well known and am not part of the libtard platform in that regard. Although some of the ugliness that comes up makes me wonder if we'd be better off with some sort of groupthink that like detailed above. |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:35 PM Author: white spot preventive strike I could go along with a lot of lib shit and some if it seems reasonable. the weird racial groupthink is too much though (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046558) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:08 PM Author: appetizing coiffed personal credit line abode 1) open borders 2) unlimited immigration of Islamic fundamentalists 3) criminalized hate speech and thought by white men 4) de-criminalized theft and violent crimes by minorities 5) forced integration of lower-income-housing and welfare recipients into middle class neighborhoods 6) refusal to deport a single illegal alien 7) refusal to allow the POTUS to oversee immigration 8) refusal to allow any immigration restrictions whatsoever 9) refusal to allow POTUS to oversee the DOJ 10) refusal to enforce English as the official language of the country
these are all core liberal positions off the top of my head. I am strenuously opposed to each and every single of them.
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:11 PM Author: Mischievous curious toaster Gun control? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046324) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:21 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs none of these are.
Through hyperbole and mischaracterization you have managed to not state even ONE Libtard principle correctly or accurately.
I think you need a remedial freshman writing class for clarity of thought, friend. |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:59 PM Author: appetizing coiffed personal credit line abode each of these is inarguably a current mainstream liberal position. I defy you to find evidence from any mainstream liberal publication disputing any one of the positions listed. short of you linking to such evidence, my post stands in its entirety. HTH (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046820) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:31 PM Author: Contagious disgusting hospital no problem!
1. White people, if you don’t have any descendants, will your property to a black or brown family. Preferably one that lives in generational poverty.
2. White people, if you’re inheriting property you intend to sell upon acceptance, give it to a black or brown family. You’re bound to make that money in some other white privileged way.
3. If you are a developer or realty owner of multi-family housing, build a sustainable complex in a black or brown blighted neighborhood and let black and brown people live in it for free.
4. White people, if you can afford to downsize, give up the home you own to a black or brown family. Preferably a family from generational poverty.
5. White people, if any of the people you intend to leave your property to are racists assholes, change the will, and will your property to a black or brown family. Preferably a family from generational poverty.
6. White people, re-budget your monthly so you can donate to black funds for land purchasing.
7. White people, especially white women (because this is yaw specialty — Nosey Jenny and Meddling Kathy), get a racist fired. Yaw know what the fuck they be saying. You are complicit when you ignore them. Get your boss fired cause they racist too.
8. Backing up No. 7, this should be easy but all those sheetless Klan, Nazi’s and Other lil’ dick-white men will all be returning to work. Get they ass fired. Call the police even: they look suspicious.
9. OK, backing up No. 8, if any white person at your work, or as you enter in spaces and you overhear a white person praising the actions from yesterday, first, get a pic. Get their name and more info. Hell, find out where they work — Get Them Fired. But certainly address them, and, if you need to, you got hands: use them.
10. Commit to two things: Fighting white supremacy where and how you can (this doesn’t mean taking up knitting, unless you’re making scarves for black and brown kids in need), and funding black and brown people and their work. |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:34 PM Author: white spot preventive strike lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046548) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:34 PM Author: Amethyst Pozpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046553) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:47 PM Author: vivacious roommate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046662) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:47 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs F. See me after class. Better plan on redoing Comp 101 lil bro although I enjoy the humor. Hope it was worth it! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046663) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:48 PM Author: Adventurous ticket booth incel Lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046676) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:49 PM Author: Crusty Bat-shit-crazy Rehab Pocket Flask lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046702) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:53 PM Author: bull headed transparent stead Spaceporn blown the fuck out (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046758) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 3:59 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs yeah. amusing. its baited to me as you know my views on race, but ljl no. F. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046806) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 4:54 PM Author: Hairraiser double fault factory reset button Your level of race realism would lead most libs IRL to call you a literal Nazi this year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34047241) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 7:38 PM Author: Flatulent cyan chad scourge upon the earth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34048352) |
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Date: September 12th, 2017 9:52 PM Author: Floppy base lmfao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34196957) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 4:22 PM Author: underhanded irradiated hissy fit If I hadn't read dozens of smart threads at xo prior to this I would take from this thread that xo is a place where dumb people post. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34046995) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 4:27 PM Author: Amethyst Pozpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34047032) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 4:51 PM Author: Aquamarine Cruise Ship Western civilization and all its tradition, practices and institutions are nothing but an oppressive patriarchy designed by white men to discriminate and exploit the planet and everyone in it. We must undermine this unjust system by any means necessary.
Think that covers it. |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 4:58 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs (Eesh somebody didn't get laid in college) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34047270) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 5:05 PM Author: Godawful church hairy legs lol i feel like I'm back in college trying to get an A in a bullshit class. First, overstates massively. tbf though try to unpack it a bit to be consistent with OP's suggestion.
How about this:
Some plans and systems currently in place are designed to disenfranchise women and minorities. Probably agreed, right?
They also have the effect of harming the global ecology. Probably overall agreed, with some caveats, right?
Accordingly, in the interests of justice it is fair to consider structural inequalities and disenfranchisement in our actions. Probably agreed, right? We all want to be *fair*, right?
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 5:15 PM Author: 180 Dysfunction To your first point I would have agreed 50 years ago. Everything ends over backwards to try to accommodate them and they STILL need to be coddled and protected for their own choices. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34047375) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 5:24 PM Author: Aquamarine Cruise Ship What is your language? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34047444) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 7:12 PM Author: bull headed transparent stead Nothing is designed to disenfranchise women and minorities hth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34048176) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 4:56 PM Author: lascivious orange center equality of outcome is more important than any other value. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34047248) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 5:55 PM Author: Flatulent cyan chad scourge upon the earth Fundamentally, people are bundles of constructed identities. What is essential to a person is not his color, creed, parents or heritage; what is essential to a person is his present life, and the space he occupies within a constructed social order.
That social order is endlessly fluid, which accounts for the diversity of modes of living we see across time and space. Different concepts of time, of God, of the soul, of the mind, of space, of geometry, of narrative, of sex, of love, of life. How else can we explain this but by acknowledging a simple, if difficult to reckon with, truth: we live in a multidimensional identity space, and that space is continually shifting? We cannot do otherwise.
Indeed, even the evidence supports this. Sure, some differences previously understood by science and culture to be somehow fundamental to persons--race and gender, for instance--remain resilient to the "flex" of identity space. But they are ultimately no more fundamental to people than religion or culture, and the science bears this out. We find that culture and religion do indeed have some marginal genetic or epigenetic predictors. It isn't as if our bodies give us no preconditions. But we have come to agreement, and seen in the evidence, that culture and religion change, and they change more than our bodies have.
In race and gender, we further see evidence of important genetic determinants, especially in bodies. But while bodies are only partially socially constructed, identities, even unto the structure of the brain itself, are much more clearly socially constructed. Identity is, after all, a mental phenomenon, and so it should come as no surprise that our above-the-neck identities are more susceptible to change than our below-the-neck identities. We should then expect these most bodily of determinants upon identity, race and gender, to eventually go the way of culture: that which is universally agreed-upon to be a principally social phenomena, even accepting some bodily / genetic inputs and constraints upon it.
So, given this brute fact of the world, that mankind is forever being reoriented in identity space, it is imperative to provide a center of moral gravity within that space toward which mankind can be pulled.
This doesn't necessarily have to be future-oriented; indeed, the past can teach us important moral lessons. But it is perhaps not an accident that the arc of identity bends toward a future of openness and inclusion. As identities reorient themselves, we find the old categories we used to taxonomize people by tend to fall away, as the low finds himself mingling with the high, and the strong cast down among the weak. And, unsurprisingly, when a man no longer is forced to choose between his God and his homosexual family member, or when a woman need not be shunted into the mold of "mother" when a productive public life is unfurled before her, people are happier. And that, after all, is the name of the game.
For those reasons, we aim to include. We aim to unite. We aim to bring together. And, yes, to blend. And there are pains. There are pains associated with change. Just as there are pains of growth. But as a child grows into maturity, so does a society. And that is not a process to fight, but to feed.
Western cultures are unique, and they do have a unique inheritance. But because identities are constructed, it is one that they can, and indeed should, gift to others. It is a heritage that has in front of it a moral gravity toward which we all must cascade. Its heritage is a proposition: that all men are created equal. That heritage is the finest of us, a resilient universal truth that may as well be considered an axis of identity space. And until it is a dimension in which all of us partake, we will not have fulfilled our promise and possibility of being, truly, special.
And, so, we must construct policies, and live lives, that create the possibility for that very future. Of universal equality, in deep recognition and respect for the self-declaration of all peoples to identify as whomever they wish. This is a future worth hoping for. Maybe the only one.
Is that about what you retards believe? |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 6:05 PM Author: heady institution *whistle* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34047733) |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 7:18 PM Author: wonderful den the autistic rationalist types call this "steelmanning" and it is a good practice but
1) a lot of the people here have already made the calculations in their head about the best lib positions and why they're wrong, and don't feel the need to repeat their work. most poasters are pretty smart doods and the conservative arguments here are facile but could easily fleshed out into more substantial ideas
2) it's very, very hard to muster up the willpower to give libs the benefit of the doubt when, 99% of the time, the media crafts the most lolworthy of strawmen of conservative talking points and then gives it a snarky "takedown" as if only an insane person would think otherwise. lib condescension nowadays is so extreme that none of us want to bother
3) takes away time from soft tooth MEATBONE forcememing, IFNB, etc. there are so few intelligent conservative boards on the web that nobody wants to log onto xo to effortpoast, we just want to laugh and feel good |
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Date: August 22nd, 2017 7:38 PM Author: Flatulent cyan chad scourge upon the earth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34048355) |
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Date: August 23rd, 2017 7:36 AM Author: Crusty Bat-shit-crazy Rehab Pocket Flask Just read the subthread wasteland where C XII blows Jimmy Clausen the fuck out. That disingenuous Shitlib will go pumo in a matter of days. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34050989) |
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Date: October 18th, 2017 6:23 AM Author: 180 Dysfunction (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#34468662) |
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Date: June 8th, 2018 12:35 PM Author: 180 Dysfunction Lmfao at the libs ITT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#36207730) |
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Date: June 21st, 2018 9:49 PM Author: 180 Dysfunction (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#36287855) |
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Date: June 21st, 2018 9:52 PM Author: lilac thriller national security agency Liberals are jews, niggers, spics, gooks, and queers. That is all you need to know to effectively evaluate leftist viewpoints. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#36287868) |
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Date: June 21st, 2018 9:55 PM Author: Maroon maniacal forum Don't let a clitdick whose spent his entire life learning to defend an indefensible position, namely his existence, muddy the waters on this stuff over irreverent, feminine technicalities. There's a reason he defends blacks in frivolous lawsuits. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3708666&forum_id=2#36287885) |