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Racy henna whorehouse
  09/15/17
HOOOOOly fuck at these results: http://www.top-law-school...
Racy henna whorehouse
  09/15/17
holy shit
disturbing thriller persian love of her life
  09/15/17
unreal
Very tactful striped hyena
  09/15/17
Ljl at the 2.9/164 chick getting into Georgetown
Chartreuse bateful fat ankles
  09/16/17
...
Federal giraffe deer antler
  09/16/17
check your privilege cracker
Spruce cracking casino queen of the night
  09/16/17
where did you go
Racy henna whorehouse
  09/16/17
...
Federal giraffe deer antler
  09/16/17
with a 168? well damn. if only u had a time machine
Racy henna whorehouse
  09/16/17
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Federal giraffe deer antler
  09/16/17
describe how the fuck you couldn't maintain your gpa with du...
Racy henna whorehouse
  09/16/17
...
Federal giraffe deer antler
  09/16/17
3.7 in flame major at Yale is probably median! l o l
Chest-beating Nibblets Goyim
  09/16/17
our median is not nearly that high its like 3.5
Concupiscible base keepsake machete
  09/16/17
median pwned in econ/bio/other departments that give real gr...
Chest-beating Nibblets Goyim
  09/16/17
my friend got a C in econ 1 (where the curve was a B-) and t...
Carnelian exhilarant hospital
  09/16/17
Ljl I copped 3.9 and 173 and got dinged at all of HYS
Sooty dingle berry
  09/16/17
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Federal giraffe deer antler
  09/16/17
whered you go
Racy henna whorehouse
  09/16/17
The sad thing about these admissions practices is that they ...
flickering school
  09/15/17
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frozen rigor
  09/15/17
10 years ago these tards wouldn't get hired as support staff
Anal low-t crackhouse boltzmann
  09/16/17
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Federal giraffe deer antler
  09/16/17
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frozen rigor
  09/16/17
I think people would rather go to a better school than have ...
Concupiscible base keepsake machete
  09/16/17
lolno, this is why I will never let a black dr treat me
Spruce cracking casino queen of the night
  09/16/17
what about for minor shit
Chest-beating Nibblets Goyim
  09/16/17
not for anything
Spruce cracking casino queen of the night
  09/16/17
not for a fucking cough my nig?
Chest-beating Nibblets Goyim
  09/16/17
I don't go to random doctors, I would see my GP. Obviously m...
Spruce cracking casino queen of the night
  09/16/17
Id rather just see a nurse/RN
Carnelian exhilarant hospital
  09/16/17
I specified that I was talking about normal people
Concupiscible base keepsake machete
  09/16/17
The reason why one might be wary of black doctors is indeed ...
primrose excitant factory reset button corner
  09/16/17
"normal" people like being treated by doctors that...
Spruce cracking casino queen of the night
  09/16/17
State your lsat score before I engage you further.
Gold Internal Respiration Legend
  09/16/17
"It generally helps, but my friend with a 150 LSAT only...
tripping idea he suggested
  09/15/17
mid 160's lsat is top 75% at GULC now, full stop.
swollen razzle dysfunction meetinghouse
  09/15/17
georgeTTTown out of the T14
Anal low-t crackhouse boltzmann
  09/16/17
...
Racy henna whorehouse
  09/15/17
My buddy (who is African-American) had a very low college GP...
Hilarious dog poop
  09/16/17
Maybe a random white or Asian person with shit scores would ...
Violent Silver Point
  09/16/17
what do you mean by thriving also, his lsat may have been v...
Racy henna whorehouse
  09/16/17
By "some" you mean literally ten or so per year. D...
Chartreuse bateful fat ankles
  09/16/17
...
Federal giraffe deer antler
  09/16/17
...
Concupiscible base keepsake machete
  09/16/17
People used to READ LAW to become lawyers. Of course the LSA...
lascivious nowag haunted graveyard
  09/16/17
...
frozen rigor
  09/16/17
"Thriving"
Sooty dingle berry
  09/16/17
...
frozen rigor
  09/16/17
...
Federal giraffe deer antler
  09/16/17
this is fucking absurd.
Spruce cracking casino queen of the night
  09/16/17
what were your stats and where did you go
Racy henna whorehouse
  09/16/17
...
Federal giraffe deer antler
  09/16/17
...
frozen rigor
  09/16/17
Ljl
Carnelian exhilarant hospital
  09/16/17
jfc
Angry menage boiling water
  09/16/17
lmfao
useless galvanic roommate
  09/18/17
The crazy thing is that all these people are competing to g...
Soul-stirring sticky bawdyhouse pocket flask
  09/16/17
What percent of t14 alums would support affirmative action t...
bearded station
  09/16/17
like all of Yale and nyu
Concupiscible base keepsake machete
  09/16/17
I've never understood: why do non-white leftists who are sup...
primrose excitant factory reset button corner
  09/16/17
Bluesmoke is right. This policy is more popular than free ad...
Crystalline aphrodisiac ceo church building
  09/16/17
Sigh. I spent a lot of my life bitter that as I struggled...
Motley indian lodge
  09/16/17
hahahha then you realized it's all flame and being a &quo...
Carnelian exhilarant hospital
  09/16/17
actually my place is only about $100K less in value than the...
Motley indian lodge
  09/16/17
wait...i don't get it. are you a URM annoyed that we're crit...
Racy henna whorehouse
  09/16/17
Were you at a city-wide magnet like Stuyvesant or something?...
rusted comical death wish immigrant
  09/16/17
I was in city-wide accelerated learning programs from an ear...
Motley indian lodge
  09/18/17
oh the irony that affirmative action incentivizes racism
Talented Navy Pit
  09/16/17
...
Carnelian exhilarant hospital
  09/16/17
Um, it's not an "incentive," you idiot.
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  09/18/17


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Date: September 15th, 2017 3:06 PM
Author: Racy henna whorehouse

https://7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/11854/urm-admissions

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34218872)



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Date: September 15th, 2017 3:08 PM
Author: Racy henna whorehouse

HOOOOOly fuck at these results:

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=275052&hilit=results

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34218882)



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Date: September 15th, 2017 3:22 PM
Author: disturbing thriller persian love of her life

holy shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34218955)



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Date: September 15th, 2017 3:26 PM
Author: Very tactful striped hyena

unreal

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34218980)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 10:11 AM
Author: Chartreuse bateful fat ankles

Ljl at the 2.9/164 chick getting into Georgetown

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34222962)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:30 PM
Author: Federal giraffe deer antler



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223559)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:31 PM
Author: Spruce cracking casino queen of the night

check your privilege cracker

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223568)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:34 PM
Author: Racy henna whorehouse

where did you go

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223580)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:39 PM
Author: Federal giraffe deer antler



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223589)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:42 PM
Author: Racy henna whorehouse

with a 168? well damn. if only u had a time machine

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223613)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:45 PM
Author: Federal giraffe deer antler



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223626)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:01 PM
Author: Racy henna whorehouse

describe how the fuck you couldn't maintain your gpa with dumbs as classmates

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223720)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:02 PM
Author: Federal giraffe deer antler



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223729)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:43 PM
Author: Chest-beating Nibblets Goyim

3.7 in flame major at Yale is probably median!

l o l

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223620)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:49 PM
Author: Concupiscible base keepsake machete

our median is not nearly that high

its like 3.5

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223643)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:08 PM
Author: Chest-beating Nibblets Goyim

median pwned in econ/bio/other departments that give real grades -> went hiding in latin american studies to inflate my gpa

finished above median!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223764)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 3:55 PM
Author: Carnelian exhilarant hospital

my friend got a C in econ 1 (where the curve was a B-) and then promptly transferred to a poli sci major where he graduated with a 3.9 GPA...no flame

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34224783)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:47 PM
Author: Sooty dingle berry

Ljl I copped 3.9 and 173 and got dinged at all of HYS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223633)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:51 PM
Author: Federal giraffe deer antler



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223656)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:01 PM
Author: Racy henna whorehouse

whered you go

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223723)



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Date: September 15th, 2017 3:17 PM
Author: flickering school

The sad thing about these admissions practices is that they make it rational to assume the URM graduates are less capable.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34218928)



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Date: September 15th, 2017 3:17 PM
Author: frozen rigor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34218929)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 10:12 AM
Author: Anal low-t crackhouse boltzmann

10 years ago these tards wouldn't get hired as support staff

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34222965)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:30 PM
Author: Federal giraffe deer antler



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223561)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:31 PM
Author: frozen rigor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223564)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:17 PM
Author: Concupiscible base keepsake machete

I think people would rather go to a better school than have people "assume" they're smarter

Normal people (not race obsessed xo posters) dont have race and LSAT charts memorized and judge people as individuals anyway. Its easy to talk to someone and tell whether they're smart anyway. You dont need to do some sort of weird extrapolation nased on their race's median scores.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223808)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:18 PM
Author: Spruce cracking casino queen of the night

lolno, this is why I will never let a black dr treat me

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223815)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:20 PM
Author: Chest-beating Nibblets Goyim

what about for minor shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223826)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:36 PM
Author: Spruce cracking casino queen of the night

not for anything

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223953)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:37 PM
Author: Chest-beating Nibblets Goyim

not for a fucking cough my nig?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223965)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:38 PM
Author: Spruce cracking casino queen of the night

I don't go to random doctors, I would see my GP. Obviously my GP isn't going to be black.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223972)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:40 PM
Author: Carnelian exhilarant hospital

Id rather just see a nurse/RN

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223986)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:21 PM
Author: Concupiscible base keepsake machete

I specified that I was talking about normal people

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223834)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:32 PM
Author: primrose excitant factory reset button corner

The reason why one might be wary of black doctors is indeed well-known to "normal people," as its having seeped into popular culture attests: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgqUQ17sYm0

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223923)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:37 PM
Author: Spruce cracking casino queen of the night

"normal" people like being treated by doctors that actually earned their med school admission.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223959)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 2:14 PM
Author: Gold Internal Respiration Legend

State your lsat score before I engage you further.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34224180)



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Date: September 15th, 2017 3:29 PM
Author: tripping idea he suggested

"It generally helps, but my friend with a 150 LSAT only got into Georgetown"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34218992)



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Date: September 15th, 2017 3:29 PM
Author: swollen razzle dysfunction meetinghouse

mid 160's lsat is top 75% at GULC now, full stop.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34218995)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 10:13 AM
Author: Anal low-t crackhouse boltzmann

georgeTTTown out of the T14

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34222967)



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Date: September 15th, 2017 5:25 PM
Author: Racy henna whorehouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34219792)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 10:13 AM
Author: Hilarious dog poop

My buddy (who is African-American) had a very low college GPA and got into an HYS, probably with the benefit of affirmative action. He seems to be thriving at a V20 firm. I'm not sure LSAT and GPA are all they're cracked up to be.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34222966)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 10:28 AM
Author: Violent Silver Point

Maybe a random white or Asian person with shit scores would thrive too

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34222997)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 10:56 AM
Author: Racy henna whorehouse

what do you mean by thriving

also, his lsat may have been very high (some blacks score high), which means he's smart

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223121)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 10:58 AM
Author: Chartreuse bateful fat ankles

By "some" you mean literally ten or so per year. Did you ever read that article about black performance on the LSAT? It was insane.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223128)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:49 PM
Author: Federal giraffe deer antler



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223645)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:50 PM
Author: Concupiscible base keepsake machete



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223649)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:23 PM
Author: lascivious nowag haunted graveyard

People used to READ LAW to become lawyers. Of course the LSAT isn't the end all be all.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223527)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:31 PM
Author: frozen rigor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223567)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:41 PM
Author: Sooty dingle berry

"Thriving"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223610)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:46 PM
Author: frozen rigor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223629)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:47 PM
Author: Federal giraffe deer antler



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223634)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:32 PM
Author: Spruce cracking casino queen of the night

this is fucking absurd.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223572)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:34 PM
Author: Racy henna whorehouse

what were your stats and where did you go

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223581)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:51 PM
Author: Federal giraffe deer antler



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223654)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:52 PM
Author: frozen rigor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223661)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:35 PM
Author: Carnelian exhilarant hospital

Ljl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223946)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 4:29 PM
Author: Angry menage boiling water

jfc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34224993)



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Date: September 18th, 2017 11:49 PM
Author: useless galvanic roommate

lmfao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34240512)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:55 PM
Author: Soul-stirring sticky bawdyhouse pocket flask

The crazy thing is that all these people are competing to get into law school

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223679)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:11 PM
Author: bearded station

What percent of t14 alums would support affirmative action to this extent? It must be much less than half.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223784)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:20 PM
Author: Concupiscible base keepsake machete

like all of Yale and nyu

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223829)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:45 PM
Author: primrose excitant factory reset button corner

I've never understood: why do non-white leftists who are super in favor of affirmative action get offended if you suggest that they themselves were affirmative-action recipients? If it's perfectly fine and justified to admit people who would not have qualified on merit alone, then why treat it as an accusation of something shameful?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34224015)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:34 PM
Author: Crystalline aphrodisiac ceo church building

Bluesmoke is right. This policy is more popular than free adderall

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223937)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 3:53 PM
Author: Motley indian lodge

Sigh.

I spent a lot of my life bitter that as I struggled in a terrible neighborhood with harsh parents who did nothing to nurture my educational aspirations, the Jewish kids across town were getting everything in life they ever wanted, treated like gold in their families, vacations in St. Maarten, summers off, no work after school, and then top of the class.

I then struggled bitterly through undergrad, not understanding the chance misfortune of my circumstances, as they enjoyed ivory tower academic bliss knowing that their parents were going to cover their tuition every semester, gold watches on their arms, etc.

I thought it was great payback that I got into law schools some of them didn't. I thought it was a testament to my character for all the shit I had to go through that they didn't. This country loves an underdog. Except when we're talking about AA on XO.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34224766)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 3:54 PM
Author: Carnelian exhilarant hospital

hahahha

then you realized it's all flame and being a "working professional" sucks huge balls? and that you will never have as much money as someone who inherits it? and that striving is all for nothing?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34224771)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 4:00 PM
Author: Motley indian lodge

actually my place is only about $100K less in value than the houses in that part of town where these kids came from, so I do see a thinning in the net worth gap.

But yes, I still don't think of myself as rich and am now questioning what I saw as rich back in secondary school. I suppose if any of those families were truly wealthy they would have had their kids in private school.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34224805)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 4:23 PM
Author: Racy henna whorehouse

wait...i don't get it. are you a URM annoyed that we're criticizing AA? or annoyed that you got AA?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34224942)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 5:15 PM
Author: rusted comical death wish immigrant

Were you at a city-wide magnet like Stuyvesant or something? Otherwise why would you have had so many interactions with Jewish kids across town that you had such a keen sense of their family dynamics and vacation itineraries, or is the idea that these were the notions you had about hypothetical Jews at the time? I'm a White Catholic that grew up around a ton of Jews who had more money than me, and I never envied them because their parents would be so weird about things, whether that meant being cheap or being showy and tacky. It wasn't until I met the legit super rich wasps and model minorities I knew in law school that I developed a truly deep sense of envy and frustration.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34225293)



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Date: September 18th, 2017 7:43 AM
Author: Motley indian lodge

I was in city-wide accelerated learning programs from an early age because I tested well. So I was thrown in with them from an early age. But being from the same town and in the same high school, why wouldn't I have had interactions with them if I was in the same classes with them (study groups, etc.)?

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Date: September 16th, 2017 5:45 PM
Author: Talented Navy Pit

oh the irony that affirmative action incentivizes racism

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Date: September 16th, 2017 5:46 PM
Author: Carnelian exhilarant hospital



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Date: September 18th, 2017 11:24 PM
Author: Erotic locale

Um, it's not an "incentive," you idiot.

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