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Cerebral Rigpig Stage
  09/15/17
HOOOOOly fuck at these results: http://www.top-law-school...
Cerebral Rigpig Stage
  09/15/17
holy shit
Wonderful Pocket Flask Idea He Suggested
  09/15/17
unreal
Light box office
  09/15/17
Ljl at the 2.9/164 chick getting into Georgetown
ungodly garrison
  09/16/17
...
Crusty Senate
  09/16/17
check your privilege cracker
Massive offensive queen of the night market
  09/16/17
where did you go
Cerebral Rigpig Stage
  09/16/17
...
Crusty Senate
  09/16/17
with a 168? well damn. if only u had a time machine
Cerebral Rigpig Stage
  09/16/17
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Crusty Senate
  09/16/17
describe how the fuck you couldn't maintain your gpa with du...
Cerebral Rigpig Stage
  09/16/17
...
Crusty Senate
  09/16/17
3.7 in flame major at Yale is probably median! l o l
Bat-shit-crazy Aquamarine School Cafeteria Bbw
  09/16/17
our median is not nearly that high its like 3.5
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  09/16/17
median pwned in econ/bio/other departments that give real gr...
Bat-shit-crazy Aquamarine School Cafeteria Bbw
  09/16/17
my friend got a C in econ 1 (where the curve was a B-) and t...
gay bearded locale
  09/16/17
Ljl I copped 3.9 and 173 and got dinged at all of HYS
Trip abnormal boistinker private investor
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Crusty Senate
  09/16/17
whered you go
Cerebral Rigpig Stage
  09/16/17
The sad thing about these admissions practices is that they ...
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adventurous regret party of the first part
  09/15/17
10 years ago these tards wouldn't get hired as support staff
cocky really tough guy
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Crusty Senate
  09/16/17
...
adventurous regret party of the first part
  09/16/17
I think people would rather go to a better school than have ...
french national security agency resort
  09/16/17
lolno, this is why I will never let a black dr treat me
Massive offensive queen of the night market
  09/16/17
what about for minor shit
Bat-shit-crazy Aquamarine School Cafeteria Bbw
  09/16/17
not for anything
Massive offensive queen of the night market
  09/16/17
not for a fucking cough my nig?
Bat-shit-crazy Aquamarine School Cafeteria Bbw
  09/16/17
I don't go to random doctors, I would see my GP. Obviously m...
Massive offensive queen of the night market
  09/16/17
Id rather just see a nurse/RN
gay bearded locale
  09/16/17
I specified that I was talking about normal people
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  09/16/17
The reason why one might be wary of black doctors is indeed ...
Domesticated Station
  09/16/17
"normal" people like being treated by doctors that...
Massive offensive queen of the night market
  09/16/17
State your lsat score before I engage you further.
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  09/16/17
"It generally helps, but my friend with a 150 LSAT only...
rambunctious milky becky
  09/15/17
mid 160's lsat is top 75% at GULC now, full stop.
Boyish ruby shrine gaping
  09/15/17
georgeTTTown out of the T14
cocky really tough guy
  09/16/17
...
Cerebral Rigpig Stage
  09/15/17
My buddy (who is African-American) had a very low college GP...
180 frum dilemma skinny woman
  09/16/17
Maybe a random white or Asian person with shit scores would ...
Crystalline sadistic useless brakes
  09/16/17
what do you mean by thriving also, his lsat may have been v...
Cerebral Rigpig Stage
  09/16/17
By "some" you mean literally ten or so per year. D...
ungodly garrison
  09/16/17
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Crusty Senate
  09/16/17
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french national security agency resort
  09/16/17
People used to READ LAW to become lawyers. Of course the LSA...
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  09/16/17
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adventurous regret party of the first part
  09/16/17
"Thriving"
Trip abnormal boistinker private investor
  09/16/17
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adventurous regret party of the first part
  09/16/17
...
Crusty Senate
  09/16/17
this is fucking absurd.
Massive offensive queen of the night market
  09/16/17
what were your stats and where did you go
Cerebral Rigpig Stage
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Crusty Senate
  09/16/17
...
adventurous regret party of the first part
  09/16/17
Ljl
gay bearded locale
  09/16/17
jfc
geriatric cuck
  09/16/17
lmfao
Onyx know-it-all parlour faggot firefighter
  09/18/17
The crazy thing is that all these people are competing to g...
swollen indigo corner macaca
  09/16/17
What percent of t14 alums would support affirmative action t...
Idiotic godawful philosopher-king property
  09/16/17
like all of Yale and nyu
french national security agency resort
  09/16/17
I've never understood: why do non-white leftists who are sup...
Domesticated Station
  09/16/17
Bluesmoke is right. This policy is more popular than free ad...
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  09/16/17
Sigh. I spent a lot of my life bitter that as I struggled...
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  09/16/17
hahahha then you realized it's all flame and being a &quo...
gay bearded locale
  09/16/17
actually my place is only about $100K less in value than the...
swashbuckling opaque spot puppy
  09/16/17
wait...i don't get it. are you a URM annoyed that we're crit...
Cerebral Rigpig Stage
  09/16/17
Were you at a city-wide magnet like Stuyvesant or something?...
khaki hell rigor
  09/16/17
I was in city-wide accelerated learning programs from an ear...
swashbuckling opaque spot puppy
  09/18/17
oh the irony that affirmative action incentivizes racism
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Date: September 15th, 2017 3:06 PM
Author: Cerebral Rigpig Stage

https://7sage.com/discussion/#/discussion/11854/urm-admissions

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34218872)



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Date: September 15th, 2017 3:08 PM
Author: Cerebral Rigpig Stage

HOOOOOly fuck at these results:

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=275052&hilit=results

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34218882)



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Date: September 15th, 2017 3:22 PM
Author: Wonderful Pocket Flask Idea He Suggested

holy shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34218955)



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Date: September 15th, 2017 3:26 PM
Author: Light box office

unreal

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34218980)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 10:11 AM
Author: ungodly garrison

Ljl at the 2.9/164 chick getting into Georgetown

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34222962)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:30 PM
Author: Crusty Senate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223559)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:31 PM
Author: Massive offensive queen of the night market

check your privilege cracker

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223568)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:34 PM
Author: Cerebral Rigpig Stage

where did you go

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223580)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:39 PM
Author: Crusty Senate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223589)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:42 PM
Author: Cerebral Rigpig Stage

with a 168? well damn. if only u had a time machine

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223613)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:45 PM
Author: Crusty Senate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223626)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:01 PM
Author: Cerebral Rigpig Stage

describe how the fuck you couldn't maintain your gpa with dumbs as classmates

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223720)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:02 PM
Author: Crusty Senate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223729)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:43 PM
Author: Bat-shit-crazy Aquamarine School Cafeteria Bbw

3.7 in flame major at Yale is probably median!

l o l

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223620)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:49 PM
Author: french national security agency resort

our median is not nearly that high

its like 3.5

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223643)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:08 PM
Author: Bat-shit-crazy Aquamarine School Cafeteria Bbw

median pwned in econ/bio/other departments that give real grades -> went hiding in latin american studies to inflate my gpa

finished above median!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223764)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 3:55 PM
Author: gay bearded locale

my friend got a C in econ 1 (where the curve was a B-) and then promptly transferred to a poli sci major where he graduated with a 3.9 GPA...no flame

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34224783)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:47 PM
Author: Trip abnormal boistinker private investor

Ljl I copped 3.9 and 173 and got dinged at all of HYS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223633)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:51 PM
Author: Crusty Senate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223656)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:01 PM
Author: Cerebral Rigpig Stage

whered you go

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223723)



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Date: September 15th, 2017 3:17 PM
Author: brilliant anal stag film

The sad thing about these admissions practices is that they make it rational to assume the URM graduates are less capable.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34218928)



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Date: September 15th, 2017 3:17 PM
Author: adventurous regret party of the first part



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34218929)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 10:12 AM
Author: cocky really tough guy

10 years ago these tards wouldn't get hired as support staff

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34222965)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:30 PM
Author: Crusty Senate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223561)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:31 PM
Author: adventurous regret party of the first part



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223564)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:17 PM
Author: french national security agency resort

I think people would rather go to a better school than have people "assume" they're smarter

Normal people (not race obsessed xo posters) dont have race and LSAT charts memorized and judge people as individuals anyway. Its easy to talk to someone and tell whether they're smart anyway. You dont need to do some sort of weird extrapolation nased on their race's median scores.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223808)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:18 PM
Author: Massive offensive queen of the night market

lolno, this is why I will never let a black dr treat me

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223815)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:20 PM
Author: Bat-shit-crazy Aquamarine School Cafeteria Bbw

what about for minor shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223826)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:36 PM
Author: Massive offensive queen of the night market

not for anything

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223953)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:37 PM
Author: Bat-shit-crazy Aquamarine School Cafeteria Bbw

not for a fucking cough my nig?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223965)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:38 PM
Author: Massive offensive queen of the night market

I don't go to random doctors, I would see my GP. Obviously my GP isn't going to be black.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223972)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:40 PM
Author: gay bearded locale

Id rather just see a nurse/RN

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223986)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:21 PM
Author: french national security agency resort

I specified that I was talking about normal people

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223834)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:32 PM
Author: Domesticated Station

The reason why one might be wary of black doctors is indeed well-known to "normal people," as its having seeped into popular culture attests: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgqUQ17sYm0

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223923)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:37 PM
Author: Massive offensive queen of the night market

"normal" people like being treated by doctors that actually earned their med school admission.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223959)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 2:14 PM
Author: painfully honest vivacious casino faggotry

State your lsat score before I engage you further.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34224180)



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Date: September 15th, 2017 3:29 PM
Author: rambunctious milky becky

"It generally helps, but my friend with a 150 LSAT only got into Georgetown"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34218992)



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Date: September 15th, 2017 3:29 PM
Author: Boyish ruby shrine gaping

mid 160's lsat is top 75% at GULC now, full stop.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34218995)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 10:13 AM
Author: cocky really tough guy

georgeTTTown out of the T14

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34222967)



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Date: September 15th, 2017 5:25 PM
Author: Cerebral Rigpig Stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34219792)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 10:13 AM
Author: 180 frum dilemma skinny woman

My buddy (who is African-American) had a very low college GPA and got into an HYS, probably with the benefit of affirmative action. He seems to be thriving at a V20 firm. I'm not sure LSAT and GPA are all they're cracked up to be.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34222966)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 10:28 AM
Author: Crystalline sadistic useless brakes

Maybe a random white or Asian person with shit scores would thrive too

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34222997)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 10:56 AM
Author: Cerebral Rigpig Stage

what do you mean by thriving

also, his lsat may have been very high (some blacks score high), which means he's smart

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223121)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 10:58 AM
Author: ungodly garrison

By "some" you mean literally ten or so per year. Did you ever read that article about black performance on the LSAT? It was insane.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223128)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:49 PM
Author: Crusty Senate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223645)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:50 PM
Author: french national security agency resort



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223649)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:23 PM
Author: Mewling mad-dog skullcap institution

People used to READ LAW to become lawyers. Of course the LSAT isn't the end all be all.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223527)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:31 PM
Author: adventurous regret party of the first part



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223567)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:41 PM
Author: Trip abnormal boistinker private investor

"Thriving"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223610)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:46 PM
Author: adventurous regret party of the first part



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223629)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:47 PM
Author: Crusty Senate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223634)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:32 PM
Author: Massive offensive queen of the night market

this is fucking absurd.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223572)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:34 PM
Author: Cerebral Rigpig Stage

what were your stats and where did you go

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223581)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:51 PM
Author: Crusty Senate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223654)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:52 PM
Author: adventurous regret party of the first part



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223661)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:35 PM
Author: gay bearded locale

Ljl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223946)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 4:29 PM
Author: geriatric cuck

jfc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34224993)



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Date: September 18th, 2017 11:49 PM
Author: Onyx know-it-all parlour faggot firefighter

lmfao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34240512)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 12:55 PM
Author: swollen indigo corner macaca

The crazy thing is that all these people are competing to get into law school

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223679)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:11 PM
Author: Idiotic godawful philosopher-king property

What percent of t14 alums would support affirmative action to this extent? It must be much less than half.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223784)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:20 PM
Author: french national security agency resort

like all of Yale and nyu

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223829)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:45 PM
Author: Domesticated Station

I've never understood: why do non-white leftists who are super in favor of affirmative action get offended if you suggest that they themselves were affirmative-action recipients? If it's perfectly fine and justified to admit people who would not have qualified on merit alone, then why treat it as an accusation of something shameful?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34224015)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 1:34 PM
Author: Pearly outnumbered antidepressant drug

Bluesmoke is right. This policy is more popular than free adderall

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34223937)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 3:53 PM
Author: swashbuckling opaque spot puppy

Sigh.

I spent a lot of my life bitter that as I struggled in a terrible neighborhood with harsh parents who did nothing to nurture my educational aspirations, the Jewish kids across town were getting everything in life they ever wanted, treated like gold in their families, vacations in St. Maarten, summers off, no work after school, and then top of the class.

I then struggled bitterly through undergrad, not understanding the chance misfortune of my circumstances, as they enjoyed ivory tower academic bliss knowing that their parents were going to cover their tuition every semester, gold watches on their arms, etc.

I thought it was great payback that I got into law schools some of them didn't. I thought it was a testament to my character for all the shit I had to go through that they didn't. This country loves an underdog. Except when we're talking about AA on XO.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34224766)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 3:54 PM
Author: gay bearded locale

hahahha

then you realized it's all flame and being a "working professional" sucks huge balls? and that you will never have as much money as someone who inherits it? and that striving is all for nothing?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34224771)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 4:00 PM
Author: swashbuckling opaque spot puppy

actually my place is only about $100K less in value than the houses in that part of town where these kids came from, so I do see a thinning in the net worth gap.

But yes, I still don't think of myself as rich and am now questioning what I saw as rich back in secondary school. I suppose if any of those families were truly wealthy they would have had their kids in private school.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34224805)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 4:23 PM
Author: Cerebral Rigpig Stage

wait...i don't get it. are you a URM annoyed that we're criticizing AA? or annoyed that you got AA?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34224942)



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Date: September 16th, 2017 5:15 PM
Author: khaki hell rigor

Were you at a city-wide magnet like Stuyvesant or something? Otherwise why would you have had so many interactions with Jewish kids across town that you had such a keen sense of their family dynamics and vacation itineraries, or is the idea that these were the notions you had about hypothetical Jews at the time? I'm a White Catholic that grew up around a ton of Jews who had more money than me, and I never envied them because their parents would be so weird about things, whether that meant being cheap or being showy and tacky. It wasn't until I met the legit super rich wasps and model minorities I knew in law school that I developed a truly deep sense of envy and frustration.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34225293)



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Date: September 18th, 2017 7:43 AM
Author: swashbuckling opaque spot puppy

I was in city-wide accelerated learning programs from an early age because I tested well. So I was thrown in with them from an early age. But being from the same town and in the same high school, why wouldn't I have had interactions with them if I was in the same classes with them (study groups, etc.)?

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Date: September 16th, 2017 5:45 PM
Author: ebony business firm telephone

oh the irony that affirmative action incentivizes racism

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Date: September 16th, 2017 5:46 PM
Author: gay bearded locale



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Date: September 18th, 2017 11:24 PM
Author: pink very tactful degenerate rehab

Um, it's not an "incentive," you idiot.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3733028&forum_id=2#34240423)