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The War To Sell You A Mattress Is An Internet Nightmare (longread

https://www.fastcompany.com/3065928/sleepopolis-casper-blogg...
sable fragrant senate
  10/17/17
not reading that. is the point that casper mattresses are s...
Transparent Filthpig
  10/17/17
Indeed, one would never have predicted looming lawsuits from...
sable fragrant senate
  10/17/17
poasting 500 words out of context is still tl;dr. op pls sum...
Turquoise apoplectic theatre roast beef
  10/17/17
no thx
sable fragrant senate
  10/17/17
highly trafficked and influential mattress reviewers made mo...
salmon library place of business
  10/17/17
so 'reviews' are a scam? who would have thought. news at 11....
Turquoise apoplectic theatre roast beef
  10/17/17
what we need is Yelp but for consumer products
salmon library place of business
  10/17/17
yelp is rigged fraudlies pay-to-play shit, too. and the ...
Turquoise apoplectic theatre roast beef
  10/17/17
...
french sanctuary preventive strike
  01/02/19
https://www.fakespot.com
Ruby Office Hominid
  01/02/19
problem is most ppl have little to no basis of comparison wi...
Transparent Filthpig
  10/17/17
plus all mattresses are fine for a couple years, you can't t...
Fear-inspiring Canary Space
  10/17/17
What we need is called Consumer Reports and it is dying beca...
marvelous orange parlor mexican
  01/02/19
I would definitely not hire you
Transparent Filthpig
  10/17/17
well my feelings are crushed
sable fragrant senate
  10/17/17
sorry bro. could have got you out of SV.
Transparent Filthpig
  10/17/17
Fuck! Would you like a blowjob sir?
sable fragrant senate
  10/17/17
tl;dr pls?
Turquoise apoplectic theatre roast beef
  10/17/17
The question of just how much money Derek made off Sleepopol...
sable fragrant senate
  10/17/17
fuck, I got into the wrong business.
Histrionic dysfunction
  10/17/17
when will rach add affiliate links to xo?
salmon library place of business
  10/17/17
Cr. Mattress expert
marvelous orange parlor mexican
  10/17/17
I've already been sleeping on them for my whole life. Doing ...
Histrionic dysfunction
  10/17/17
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sable fragrant senate
  10/17/17
...
Nighttime very tactful stage striped hyena
  10/18/17
When is Rach starting an affiliate marketing site ?
bateful kitty
  10/17/17
XO AMAZON DEAL GUY ALREADY DID THIS SCHTICK
salmon library place of business
  10/17/17
what happened to that guy? I havent seen any deals posted y...
bateful kitty
  10/17/17
his dealnews and slickdeals subscriptions must have run out
salmon library place of business
  10/17/17
lol, one look at the Casper CEO tells you all you need to kn...
adulterous sandwich water buffalo
  10/17/17
Cr
seedy step-uncle's house gaping
  10/17/17
cot damn he's only 34 what have we done with our lives o...
sable fragrant senate
  10/17/17
https://assets.fastcompany.com/image/upload/w_707,ar_16:9,c_...
yellow famous landscape painting
  10/17/17
partner to Non Sequitur: I don't have time to read all these...
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  10/17/17
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Turquoise apoplectic theatre roast beef
  10/17/17
actually i make partners read the cases and give me the gist...
sable fragrant senate
  10/17/17
wow u must be a big shot!
yapping mewling hairy legs boistinker
  10/17/17
(guy who summarizes cases for xo poa i dont really give ...
sable fragrant senate
  10/17/17
it was an extremely alpha move by the OP
Histrionic dysfunction
  10/17/17
Mattresses have been scams forever, what a disgusting market...
Excitant pale hall
  10/17/17
seems like it
Histrionic dysfunction
  10/17/17
I guess its like cars right? pretty big ticket, but you d...
saffron prole
  10/17/17
car mfgrs rely on collective customer goodwill
Turquoise apoplectic theatre roast beef
  10/17/17
what does 'mfgrs' stand for? Manufacturers? then why do...
saffron prole
  10/17/17
they want goodwill in the sense that a toyota is known for r...
Turquoise apoplectic theatre roast beef
  10/17/17
sure, but the guy you actually talk to at the dealership ...
saffron prole
  10/17/17
yeah but they're not making the cars. the car mfgrs are not ...
Turquoise apoplectic theatre roast beef
  10/17/17
Ok, everything is fraudlies. Got it. Except the greatbort, r...
out-of-control razzle-dazzle chad shitlib
  10/17/17
glad u asked, pls check out my website greatestmattressrevie...
sable fragrant senate
  10/17/17
LOL ty. Will look into it.
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  10/17/17
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  10/17/17
I have this and its perfect and great value https://www.a...
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I don't know what the best is, but I'm happy with my Tuft &a...
copper drunken corner
  10/18/17
When I did shitlaw many of my clients were affiliate markete...
Useless Awkward Scourge Upon The Earth
  10/17/17
lol you say "when i did shitlaw" as if you do some...
lemon exhilarant address
  10/18/17
He makes more than $1 million per year -- but not in law. ...
copper drunken corner
  10/18/17
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  10/18/17
There's a chain of mattress joints here in Saudi called Slee...
Aqua razzle native
  10/17/17
My bed was built to take a 14 inch mattress and no higher. T...
Useless Awkward Scourge Upon The Earth
  10/17/17
I once bought a Casper. It was overpriced foam and too hot. ...
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  10/17/17
macys is actually good for furniture warranty shit
Turquoise apoplectic theatre roast beef
  10/17/17
this is true.
Transparent Filthpig
  10/17/17
That is the twist: All these foam mattresses are shit. The...
Underhanded trip locale
  10/17/17
Ding, tuft and needle is nice and firm and just fine for sex...
sable fragrant senate
  10/17/17
titcr
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  10/17/17
SimilarWeb suggested that Derek referred 400,000 visits to L...
Arrogant passionate bawdyhouse
  10/17/17
If only life was just about the money. Just do be an immoral...
Useless Awkward Scourge Upon The Earth
  10/17/17
He broke what, FTC laws?
marvelous orange parlor mexican
  10/17/17
Dude could you live with yourself selling mattresses on the ...
Useless Awkward Scourge Upon The Earth
  10/17/17
I just finished the story and how can you possibly conclude ...
marvelous orange parlor mexican
  10/17/17
They are all scum. Not one good person in that story, bro.
Useless Awkward Scourge Upon The Earth
  10/17/17
I think the bloggers try to be objective-ish but know where ...
marvelous orange parlor mexican
  10/17/17
Say more about felonious business opportunities with a good ...
copper drunken corner
  10/18/17
lol @ all this gc fraud. imagine the scale of this for some...
cracking theater
  10/17/17
Literally everything on Amazon is GC fraud.
Arrogant passionate bawdyhouse
  10/17/17
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Turquoise apoplectic theatre roast beef
  10/17/17
i bought a vaccum cleaner a few months ago and hundreds of v...
cracking theater
  10/17/17
I've posted real reviews before
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  10/18/17
Every last car review video on Youtube is bought and paid fo...
Useless Awkward Scourge Upon The Earth
  10/17/17
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marvelous orange parlor mexican
  10/17/17
Love my Leesa. Would love it even more if I had made million...
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  10/17/17
*INTERNET surveys the impenetrable, overbearing, consumer-un...
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  10/18/17
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marvelous orange parlor mexican
  01/02/19
My wife wants a new mattress. What do?
out-of-control razzle-dazzle chad shitlib
  01/02/19
I’m about to buy a new mattress. What’s the best...
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Date: October 17th, 2017 10:49 AM
Author: sable fragrant senate

https://www.fastcompany.com/3065928/sleepopolis-casper-bloggers-lawsuits-underside-of-the-mattress-wars

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34461875)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 10:53 AM
Author: Transparent Filthpig

not reading that. is the point that casper mattresses are shit?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34461903)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 11:05 AM
Author: sable fragrant senate

Indeed, one would never have predicted looming lawsuits from a friendly 2015 email exchange, in which Casper CEO Philip Krim attempted to court an affiliate marketer named Jack Mitcham, who ran a Sleepopolis-like site called Mattress Nerd.

In January 2015, Krim wrote Mitcham that while he supported objective reviews, “it pains us to see you (or anyone) recommend a competitor over us.”

Krim went on: “As you know, we are much bigger than our newly formed competitors. I am confident we can offer you a much bigger commercial relationship because of that. How would you ideally want to structure the affiliate relationship? And also, what can we do to help to grow your business?”

When Mitcham responded to say that he and his wife found the Casper mattress uncomfortable, Krim persisted:

“Is there any way I could get you to spend more time on the Casper?…We would even be happy to fly you out to NYC to tell you more about the product or have you spend a long weekend on one. I’d also love to find ways to work more closely. We would love to become your biggest referral check.”

Krim then upped his offer, promising to boost Mitcham’s payouts from $50 to $60 per sale, and offering his readers a $40 coupon. “I think that will move sales a little more in your direction,” replied Mitcham on March 25, 2015. In the months that followed, Mattress Nerd would become one of Casper’s leading reviews site partners. (The emails surfaced due to another mattress lawsuit, GhostBed v. Krim; if similar correspondence exists with Derek Hales, it has not become public.)

Just a few months later, in June 2015, something big happened that would ripple through the whole mattress ecosystem: Casper received $55 million in Series B investment at an implied half-billion-dollar valuation, making it the front-runner in the online mattress wars.

The company started spending relentlessly on advertising, and soon just about everyone had heard of Casper, giving the startup a measure of escape velocity from its competitors. Casper’s sales topped $200 million last year, though it declines to say whether it is profitable. Fortune has estimated Casper’s annual marketing budget to be $80 million.

As Casper grew, more mattress reviews sites began mushrooming up in its shadow, earning quick commissions while creating little value for Casper. Casper decided to allow the contracts it held with affiliates to expire, “to reassess the situation,” Casper CEO Krim told me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34461960)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 11:06 AM
Author: Turquoise apoplectic theatre roast beef

poasting 500 words out of context is still tl;dr. op pls summarize

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34461970)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 11:09 AM
Author: sable fragrant senate

no thx

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34461986)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 11:10 AM
Author: salmon library place of business

highly trafficked and influential mattress reviewers made money off affiliate links so poorly reviewed mattress companies (casper) are suing them by alleging that their reviews were not objective at all but in fact pseudo-advertising paid for by competitors via higher affiliate fees and/or straight up cash payments

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34461988)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 11:12 AM
Author: Turquoise apoplectic theatre roast beef

so 'reviews' are a scam? who would have thought. news at 11.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34461999)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 11:14 AM
Author: salmon library place of business

what we need is Yelp but for consumer products

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34462014)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 11:17 AM
Author: Turquoise apoplectic theatre roast beef

yelp is rigged fraudlies pay-to-play shit, too.

and the "yelp for consumer products" is amazon reviews, which are also rigged fraudlies.

it's all a scam.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34462036)



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Date: January 2nd, 2019 1:55 PM
Author: french sanctuary preventive strike



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#37513456)



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Date: January 2nd, 2019 1:57 PM
Author: Ruby Office Hominid

https://www.fakespot.com

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#37513468)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 12:18 PM
Author: Transparent Filthpig

problem is most ppl have little to no basis of comparison with mattresses. it's not like restaurants where your shrew gf is dragging you to a different one 4x a week.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34462567)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 12:46 PM
Author: Fear-inspiring Canary Space

plus all mattresses are fine for a couple years, you can't tell quality difference among many mattresses until they're older than that, and no one writes a review three years after buying a product

like i had some unexpected guests drop in so i went and bought a couple $80 mattresses and they feel fine, but i expect in a couple years they won't anymore but who cares, not like i need them to

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34462739)



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Date: January 2nd, 2019 2:00 PM
Author: marvelous orange parlor mexican

What we need is called Consumer Reports and it is dying because no one will pay for it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#37513480)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 12:16 PM
Author: Transparent Filthpig

I would definitely not hire you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34462557)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 12:19 PM
Author: sable fragrant senate

well my feelings are crushed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34462572)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 1:49 PM
Author: Transparent Filthpig

sorry bro. could have got you out of SV.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34463159)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 2:56 PM
Author: sable fragrant senate

Fuck! Would you like a blowjob sir?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34463652)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 10:54 AM
Author: Turquoise apoplectic theatre roast beef

tl;dr pls?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34461909)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 10:58 AM
Author: sable fragrant senate

The question of just how much money Derek made off Sleepopolis interested everyone I spoke to. It had even been the subject of a gossipy, if rigorously argued, post on a site positioning itself as a gadfly of the mattress industry, HonestMattressReviews.com. (A court later determined that, despite the site’s name, the owner of Honest Mattress Reviews had concealed ties to the mattress company GhostBed.)

According to the website analysis tool SimilarWeb, Derek referred 1.6 million visits to outside sites between February 2016 and July 2017. Much of this traffic went to Amazon.com (when Derek lacked a direct affiliate relationship, he was able to get at least some money as an affiliate of Amazon). A significant portion went to the mattress companies Purple, Loom & Leaf, and Nest Bedding.

A Loom & Leaf executive told me they had paid Derek $100,000 in 2016; Nest Bedding’s CEO Joe Alexander said he had paid Derek a multiple of that. “My life changed because of Derek,” Alexander told me. “He made me a millionaire.”

But by far the most traffic during that period–some 400,000 visits–was referred out to the website of Derek’s favorite mattress company, Leesa.

Nest Bedding CEO Joe Alexander [Photo: courtesy of Joe Alexander]

Derek’s Leesa favoritism was no secret: he explicitly called it “Sleepopolis’s favorite mattress,” and a sidebar touting Leesa affiliate-link coupons graced nearly every page of the site. Mattress reviewers say their art entails recommending different mattresses to different types of sleepers, but in the 14 categories on his site for which the Leesa was eligible, Derek declared it first in seven of them, second or third in all but two of the rest. The Leesa was Sleepopolis’s best mattress for side sleepers, best mattress for kids, best mattress for back pain, and best mattress for sex.

It was possible that Derek genuinely loved the Leesa above all other mattresses; he’d reviewed it favorably even before Casper cut off his payments. But many people I spoke to suggested that other things were possible, too. If most mattress companies paid around $50 per commission, other companies paid two or three times that, even as much as $250. In one email I saw, an unscrupulous mattress reviewer said companies regularly approached him offering to “buy” top placement on his site; so long as the reviewer liked the mattress, he’d happily negotiate a price. “Honestly, the FTC has to step in at some point and make review sites divulge what they are paid for each bed or brand,” Nest Bedding’s Joe Alexander, told me. “This industry is a freight train out of control.”

Was Leesa playing this highest-bidder game with Sleepopolis? At first, I heard many rumors to that effect. I called Leesa’s CEO David Wolfe in February, in an effort to find out. The middle-aged Wolfe, though now a resident in Virginia Beach, retained a charming British accent, and was a former marketer himself. The mattress industry has long been attractive to marketers, I learned, even before the internet got involved. As a mattress industry analyst recently told Freakonomics Radio: “You have to be a strong marketer to be in the mattress industry, because they’re really selling identical, rectangular slabs.”

Wolfe denied offering higher affiliate rates than competitors, saying he had always paid $50 per mattress, apart from one month when he had paid 60. He later repeated this assertion and had his lawyer call me to confirm it, and said he felt it was important for mattress companies and affiliates to operate on a level playing field.

I asked Wolfe if he had ever offered Derek Hales a guaranteed income. Our friendly conversation took a swift turn. “The answer is no,” he said, adding, “You should leave this to the attorneys.” Later, he added, “I don’t want to say something that could affect a pending lawsuit where Leesa is not a party.”

SimilarWeb suggested that Derek referred 400,000 visits to Leesa.com between February 2016 and July 2017. If you assumed that about one in 12 referred visits ultimately led to a purchase—a conservative estimate according to people in the mattress industry I interviewed—that would suggest Sleepopolis helped sell 33,000 mattresses. Even a $50 commission per mattress meant $1.6 million paid by Leesa to Derek over those 18 months. When I approached Leesa’s David Wolfe with these numbers, he called them inflated (SimilarWeb provides only estimates), but conceded that Derek was essentially Leesa’s top salesman, accounting for 18% of the brand’s total sales, which reached about $80 million last year.

All told, these numbers suggested Derek may have been making as much as $2 million per year by 2016. And his site, in a hypothetical sale, would be worth a multiple of that. (A considerably less trafficked mattress-reviewing site recently went on the market for $1.4 million.)

Derek had made millionaires among the new mattress entrepreneurs–and he himself was one of them. So while Derek’s pockets weren’t nearly so deep as Casper’s, they certainly weren’t shallow. He had stumbled into what was, outside of financial products, one of the more lucrative niches in affiliate marketing. If this was a David-and-Goliath battle, it was worth remembering that David became a king.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34461930)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 11:01 AM
Author: Histrionic dysfunction

fuck, I got into the wrong business.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34461942)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 11:03 AM
Author: salmon library place of business

when will rach add affiliate links to xo?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34461951)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 11:13 AM
Author: marvelous orange parlor mexican

Cr. Mattress expert

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34462012)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 11:16 AM
Author: Histrionic dysfunction

I've already been sleeping on them for my whole life. Doing it for free like a sucker.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34462032)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 11:17 AM
Author: federal magenta tanning salon electric furnace



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34462037)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 11:17 AM
Author: sable fragrant senate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34462039)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 2:41 AM
Author: Nighttime very tactful stage striped hyena



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34468515)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 11:24 AM
Author: bateful kitty

When is Rach starting an affiliate marketing site ?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34462101)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 11:25 AM
Author: salmon library place of business

XO AMAZON DEAL GUY ALREADY DID THIS SCHTICK

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34462108)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 11:28 AM
Author: bateful kitty

what happened to that guy? I havent seen any deals posted yet

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34462136)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 11:29 AM
Author: salmon library place of business

his dealnews and slickdeals subscriptions must have run out

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34462146)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 11:28 AM
Author: adulterous sandwich water buffalo

lol, one look at the Casper CEO tells you all you need to know

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34462131)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 11:42 AM
Author: seedy step-uncle's house gaping

Cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34462279)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 11:44 AM
Author: sable fragrant senate

cot damn he's only 34

what have we done with our lives other than poa on racist msg borts for a decade+

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34462287)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 1:48 PM
Author: yellow famous landscape painting

https://assets.fastcompany.com/image/upload/w_707,ar_16:9,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:best,fl_lossy/wp-cms/uploads/2017/07/p-1-feature-218-casper-cant-rest.jpg

The Casper team—Neil Parikh, Philip Krim, Luke Sherwin, Gabriel Flateman, and Jeff Chapin—is now grappling with unexpectedly major success.

In early May, the online mattress startup Casper celebrated its third birthday in whimsical style with an event, held in its New York headquarters, modeled after a 3-year-old’s birthday party. There was face-painting, piñatas, and—in a necessary concession to adulthood—a free-flowing open bar. They even hired a balloon guy. “He really put the artist in balloon artist,” says cofounder and CTO Gabriel Flateman, whose company has transformed the mattress business with smart design, low prices, and a clever business model. “He made me this intricate jet pack I was wearing around. I mean, he made a knockoff Chanel bag! But the magician canceled at the last minute, which kind of sucked.”

(CEO Krim is the oldest. the rest are in their late 20s)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34463152)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 11:29 AM
Author: yapping mewling hairy legs boistinker

partner to Non Sequitur: I don't have time to read all these cases, give me the gist of them.

Non Sequitur - copies one paragraph from each case, at random, and sends to partner.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34462143)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 11:31 AM
Author: Turquoise apoplectic theatre roast beef



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34462159)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 11:34 AM
Author: sable fragrant senate

actually i make partners read the cases and give me the gist brother

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34462200)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 11:36 AM
Author: yapping mewling hairy legs boistinker

wow u must be a big shot!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34462220)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 11:38 AM
Author: sable fragrant senate

(guy who summarizes cases for xo poa

i dont really give a shit if some random chump reads my threads, so i dont see the point in summarizing anthing for him. i pick out choice excerpts to interest other people

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34462239)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 11:42 AM
Author: Histrionic dysfunction

it was an extremely alpha move by the OP

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34462272)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 11:32 AM
Author: Excitant pale hall

Mattresses have been scams forever, what a disgusting market.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34462168)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 11:42 AM
Author: Histrionic dysfunction

seems like it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34462274)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 12:05 PM
Author: saffron prole

I guess its like cars right?

pretty big ticket, but you don't buy them very often, so the people selling them want to capture the entire value of the transaction on each transaction, and don't care about preserving any customer goodwill (they're not relying on any repeat business?)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34462485)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 12:06 PM
Author: Turquoise apoplectic theatre roast beef

car mfgrs rely on collective customer goodwill

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34462493)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 12:11 PM
Author: saffron prole

what does 'mfgrs' stand for? Manufacturers?

then why do they let shady shitheads handle the point of sale?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34462527)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 12:15 PM
Author: Turquoise apoplectic theatre roast beef

they want goodwill in the sense that a toyota is known for reliability, rather than that it breaks down after the warranty period ends.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34462552)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 12:19 PM
Author: saffron prole

sure,

but the guy you actually talk to at the dealership doesn't give a shit about preserving his reputation with you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34462581)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 12:43 PM
Author: Turquoise apoplectic theatre roast beef

yeah but they're not making the cars. the car mfgrs are not fly by night and definitely play the long game. it takes a long time for cars to rebuild lost goodwill, and positive goodwill can last a generation or more.

the guy at the dealership is just trying to screw you on the price.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34462720)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 11:49 AM
Author: out-of-control razzle-dazzle chad shitlib

Ok, everything is fraudlies. Got it. Except the greatbort, right?

What's the xo consensus on best mattress? I may be in the market soon.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34462348)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 11:54 AM
Author: sable fragrant senate

glad u asked, pls check out my website greatestmattressreviewsforxoxopoasters.com

i have a tuft & needle and love it, on the firmer side

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34462386)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 11:55 AM
Author: out-of-control razzle-dazzle chad shitlib

LOL ty. Will look into it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34462394)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 4:06 PM
Author: Bull headed clown



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34464299)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 4:42 PM
Author: hairless bisexual idea he suggested field

I have this and its perfect and great value

https://www.amazon.com/DreamFoam-Mattress-Ultimate-Dreams-Medium/dp/B00CP85RXK

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34464562)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 1:35 AM
Author: copper drunken corner

I don't know what the best is, but I'm happy with my Tuft & Needle.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34468417)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 11:54 AM
Author: Useless Awkward Scourge Upon The Earth

When I did shitlaw many of my clients were affiliate marketers and my advice to all of them was to incorporate the hell out of the US and never keep your money here precisely because of the threat of this kind of lawsuit. All affiliate marketing on the web is a scam. None of the reviewers aren't bought and paid for. Even youtube video reviews are 90% bought and paid for.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34462387)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 1:57 AM
Author: lemon exhilarant address

lol you say "when i did shitlaw" as if you do something else now

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34468458)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 2:08 AM
Author: copper drunken corner

He makes more than $1 million per year -- but not in law.

http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=1837772&mc=3&forum_id=2

See also: http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3612056&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34468471)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 3:15 AM
Author: Henna abode



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34468547)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 12:03 PM
Author: Aqua razzle native

There's a chain of mattress joints here in Saudi called Sleep High. They make a memory foam luxury model that is fantastic. 17 inches thick. Had one shipped to the USA too for my house but I think the shipping fucked it up. Still, SHARIA FTW

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34462469)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 12:06 PM
Author: Useless Awkward Scourge Upon The Earth

My bed was built to take a 14 inch mattress and no higher. Them Mandingo sized 17 inch mattresses would hang higher than my side tables.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34462490)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 12:53 PM
Author: Bistre area stock car

I once bought a Casper. It was overpriced foam and too hot. I returned it for free and bought a $430 mattress on Macy’s.com, delivered for free, that I enjoy to this day.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34462776)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 1:31 PM
Author: Turquoise apoplectic theatre roast beef

macys is actually good for furniture warranty shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34463019)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 1:50 PM
Author: Transparent Filthpig

this is true.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34463169)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 1:48 PM
Author: Underhanded trip locale

That is the twist: All these foam mattresses are shit. They're too hot, there's no bounce for sex, and they're all too soft if you like a firm mattress. Wish we had just bought a regular innerspring mattress.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34463151)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 2:57 PM
Author: sable fragrant senate

Ding, tuft and needle is nice and firm and just fine for sex

Lol@ springmos, what is it 1990??

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34463662)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 3:40 PM
Author: Bistre area stock car

titcr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34464119)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 3:20 PM
Author: Arrogant passionate bawdyhouse

SimilarWeb suggested that Derek referred 400,000 visits to Leesa.com between February 2016 and July 2017. If you assumed that about one in 12 referred visits ultimately led to a purchase—a conservative estimate according to people in the mattress industry I interviewed—that would suggest Sleepopolis helped sell 33,000 mattresses. Even a $50 commission per mattress meant $1.6 million paid by Leesa to Derek over those 18 months. When I approached Leesa’s David Wolfe with these numbers, he called them inflated (SimilarWeb provides only estimates), but conceded that Derek was essentially Leesa’s top salesman, accounting for 18% of the brand’s total sales, which reached about $80 million last year.

He sold the website for $3M, even though by some estimates it was worth $6M.

LOLOLOL @ becoming a fucking ATTORNEY.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34463909)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 3:35 PM
Author: Useless Awkward Scourge Upon The Earth

If only life was just about the money. Just do be an immoral felon....

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34464073)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 3:41 PM
Author: marvelous orange parlor mexican

He broke what, FTC laws?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34464124)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 3:44 PM
Author: Useless Awkward Scourge Upon The Earth

Dude could you live with yourself selling mattresses on the down low all scheming and repugnant like that? And yes the FTC will rape his ass. There are rules for affiliate sales. It's a compliance area at my bank. I've done some training BS on this myself.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34464152)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 3:58 PM
Author: marvelous orange parlor mexican

I just finished the story and how can you possibly conclude the review guy is the bad party? This is just globocap winning once again. And the review brah got a few million.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34464235)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 4:04 PM
Author: Useless Awkward Scourge Upon The Earth

They are all scum. Not one good person in that story, bro.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34464284)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 4:20 PM
Author: marvelous orange parlor mexican

I think the bloggers try to be objective-ish but know where their bread is buttered. I don’t think they’re the same as funding competitors to buy out sites you don’t like and change all the links to coupons for your product.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34464388)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 1:55 AM
Author: copper drunken corner

Say more about felonious business opportunities with a good risk-reward profile.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34468453)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 3:44 PM
Author: cracking theater

lol @ all this gc fraud. imagine the scale of this for something like tech or car reviews?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34464142)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 3:44 PM
Author: Arrogant passionate bawdyhouse

Literally everything on Amazon is GC fraud.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34464150)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 3:45 PM
Author: Turquoise apoplectic theatre roast beef



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34464156)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 3:50 PM
Author: cracking theater

i bought a vaccum cleaner a few months ago and hundreds of video reviews popped up for each vacuum narrated presented by burnout gen-xrs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34464191)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 2:38 AM
Author: appetizing mint national cuck

I've posted real reviews before

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34468510)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 3:45 PM
Author: Useless Awkward Scourge Upon The Earth

Every last car review video on Youtube is bought and paid for. No shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34464162)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 3:59 PM
Author: marvelous orange parlor mexican



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34464237)



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Date: October 17th, 2017 4:17 PM
Author: rebellious glittery affirmative action

Love my Leesa. Would love it even more if I had made millions for saying I loved it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34464359)



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Date: October 18th, 2017 1:08 AM
Author: bearded fuchsia azn

*INTERNET surveys the impenetrable, overbearing, consumer-unfriendly nightmare that a modern industry has become*

*INTERNET steps in like boss hero, burning through the mire with the flaming sword of efficiency"

*INTERNET stands astride the flaming corpse of said industry*

*INTERNET turns to u, breaks out in a disturbing rictus grin*

INTERNET: "hehe now I'll show u what a nightmare TRULY looks like"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#34468378)



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Date: January 2nd, 2019 1:40 PM
Author: marvelous orange parlor mexican



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#37513382)



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Date: January 2nd, 2019 1:58 PM
Author: out-of-control razzle-dazzle chad shitlib

My wife wants a new mattress. What do?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#37513472)



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Date: January 2nd, 2019 2:01 PM
Author: Ebony godawful dilemma mad-dog skullcap

I’m about to buy a new mattress. What’s the best one?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3766614&forum_id=2#37513487)