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why the fuck would a dude who's dad is loaded ($700MM net worth) join army?!

this is the middle son of vivek ranadive, silicon valley ric...
Flesh Swollen Kitchen Jew
  10/19/17
lulz, I am buddies with one of his sons.
pearly pervert
  10/19/17
(Pathological liar)
translucent temple becky
  10/19/17
(prolapsed NOWAG) https://imgur.com/a/7Qjmu
pearly pervert
  10/19/17
his sister looks like a nice young lady
Amber big sweet tailpipe
  10/19/17
180 https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/234521#
Flesh Swollen Kitchen Jew
  10/19/17
Bring Facebook friends with someone definitely means you’re ...
translucent temple becky
  10/19/17
Take your gaping and slither away NOWAG
pearly pervert
  10/19/17
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Bat-shit-crazy Exhilarant Weed Whacker Background Story
  10/19/17
reading comp pwned "Always been a dream of mine to s...
zippy antidepressant drug
  10/19/17
Thats pretty admirable
nighttime twisted internal respiration
  10/19/17
is there secondary gain here? Is he gonna eventually run for...
Flesh Swollen Kitchen Jew
  10/19/17
That’s exactly what he’s fucking doing. He’ll do his tour th...
Bat-shit-crazy Exhilarant Weed Whacker Background Story
  10/19/17
What happens if WW3 breaks out can daddy save him?
Flesh Swollen Kitchen Jew
  10/19/17
He det
Bat-shit-crazy Exhilarant Weed Whacker Background Story
  10/19/17
...
Glassy Turdskin
  10/19/17
Teddy Roosevelt III deals him in for their cards game.
Underhanded Cuck Main People
  10/19/17
good for him for all McCain's faults his namesake went to...
Hairless Burgundy Business Firm
  10/19/17
McCain’s were a military family first, he then later ran for...
Bat-shit-crazy Exhilarant Weed Whacker Background Story
  10/19/17
According to SI, he joined the army when his dad was trying ...
Dark shrine
  10/19/17
The military is 180.
Razzle-dazzle ungodly church personal credit line
  10/19/17
I came from a rich family (certainly didn't have 700 MM, but...
duck-like yapping black woman
  10/19/17
Except you're not "punching nazis" or whatever but...
Flesh Swollen Kitchen Jew
  10/19/17
you're a uniquely annoying poaster
grizzly immigrant
  10/19/17
You can tell yourself whatever you need to believe.
duck-like yapping black woman
  10/19/17
Congrats, you’re in the 1%. As I pointed out above, motiv...
Bat-shit-crazy Exhilarant Weed Whacker Background Story
  10/19/17
Cr. Mandatory civil service is 180, especially if it's milit...
Carnelian hospital deer antler
  10/19/17
...
Up-to-no-good Hairy Legs Telephone
  10/19/17
Ree-spect.
Underhanded Cuck Main People
  10/19/17
...
Charismatic Clear Indirect Expression
  10/19/17
"for adventure, to be a man, for honor" You did...
snowy stimulating property
  10/19/17
...
Underhanded Cuck Main People
  10/19/17
*adds 30-something to list of poasters I respect* *first ha...
zippy antidepressant drug
  10/19/17
These are my awards, Mother. From Army.
dashing garrison
  10/19/17
...
Soul-stirring Affirmative Action School Cafeteria
  10/19/17
I wish I enlisted after graduating college. Even though my m...
frozen pale home
  10/19/17
Key is to enlist for 2-4 years BEFORE college. Get the life ...
Bat-shit-crazy Exhilarant Weed Whacker Background Story
  10/19/17
...
Up-to-no-good Hairy Legs Telephone
  10/19/17
...
Bat-shit-crazy Exhilarant Weed Whacker Background Story
  10/19/17
His friends sure are cool https://www.instagram.com/p/BYmzW...
Exciting pocket flask
  10/19/17
10 to 1 on they are a nice bunch of people
Charismatic Clear Indirect Expression
  10/19/17
My takeaway from his IG is that he is gay
Exciting pocket flask
  10/19/17
Maybe he wants to do something more with his life than just ...
Charismatic Clear Indirect Expression
  10/19/17
...
Up-to-no-good Hairy Legs Telephone
  10/19/17
Really though, if you were totally financially secure, why w...
Underhanded Cuck Main People
  10/19/17
This is 180 credited of the dude.
Fear-inspiring boyish gas station
  10/19/17
Im not a militarymo but why would you enlist if you have a c...
Amber big sweet tailpipe
  10/19/17
i have friends with relatively elite backgrounds who enliste...
Arrogant Yarmulke Jewess
  10/19/17
I was under the impression that going from E to O was relati...
fragrant heaven
  10/19/17
The point is it's easy if your dad plays golf at the same co...
Carnelian hospital deer antler
  10/19/17
for most it is. it's far from impossible though.
Arrogant Yarmulke Jewess
  10/19/17
Appears he just enlisted. You have to apply for Officer C...
Bat-shit-crazy Exhilarant Weed Whacker Background Story
  10/19/17
He's also the only dude in his family without a wikipedia pa...
Flesh Swollen Kitchen Jew
  10/19/17
I know of a similar situation, guy whose net worth is probab...
mauve institution
  10/19/17
This thread reminds me of doing ROTC at an Ivy and all of th...
Glittery station
  10/19/17
...
Underhanded Cuck Main People
  10/19/17
I did ROTC at HUG and there were 20 commissioned out of my c...
irradiated voyeur parlor
  10/19/17
If you do ROTC do you still have to do OCS?
fragrant heaven
  10/19/17
...
Up-to-no-good Hairy Legs Telephone
  10/19/17
The 60s and hippie Boomers really did a number on this count...
Bat-shit-crazy Exhilarant Weed Whacker Background Story
  10/19/17
Lol shitting on California https://www.instagram.com/p/X...
Navy razzmatazz abode toilet seat
  10/19/17
190 billion
zippy antidepressant drug
  10/19/17
Military service is more common among the upper class than t...
thriller shaky boltzmann
  10/19/17
It’s basically mandatory for British royals, so it doesn’t s...
jet splenetic masturbator
  10/19/17
180
carmine fortuitous meteor really tough guy
  10/19/17


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Date: October 19th, 2017 5:45 AM
Author: Flesh Swollen Kitchen Jew

this is the middle son of vivek ranadive, silicon valley rich guy and owner of the Sacramento kings

https://www.instagram.com/p/BZT1dzgjLd2/?hl=en&taken-by=aranadive

you probably know his hot daughter

https://www.instagram.com/anjaliworld/?hl=en

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34477537)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 9:22 AM
Author: pearly pervert

lulz, I am buddies with one of his sons.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34477931)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 9:42 AM
Author: translucent temple becky

(Pathological liar)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34478013)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 9:46 AM
Author: pearly pervert

(prolapsed NOWAG)

https://imgur.com/a/7Qjmu

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34478034)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 9:51 AM
Author: Amber big sweet tailpipe

his sister looks like a nice young lady

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34478061)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 9:52 AM
Author: Flesh Swollen Kitchen Jew

180

https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/234521#



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34478071)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 9:53 AM
Author: translucent temple becky

Bring Facebook friends with someone definitely means you’re buddies!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34478075)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 9:54 AM
Author: pearly pervert

Take your gaping and slither away NOWAG

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34478083)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 11:00 AM
Author: Bat-shit-crazy Exhilarant Weed Whacker Background Story



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34478555)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 11:05 AM
Author: zippy antidepressant drug

reading comp pwned

"Always been a dream of mine to serve the country and wear the uniform."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34478596)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 5:53 AM
Author: nighttime twisted internal respiration

Thats pretty admirable

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34477548)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 5:56 AM
Author: Flesh Swollen Kitchen Jew

is there secondary gain here? Is he gonna eventually run for office and is trying to pad his resume? The dudes Twitter says he's Christian, don't think anyone else in his family is?

.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34477551)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 8:02 AM
Author: Bat-shit-crazy Exhilarant Weed Whacker Background Story

That’s exactly what he’s fucking doing. He’ll do his tour then come back home to use daddy’s connections and money to run for office.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34477677)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 8:03 AM
Author: Flesh Swollen Kitchen Jew

What happens if WW3 breaks out can daddy save him?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34477682)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 8:03 AM
Author: Bat-shit-crazy Exhilarant Weed Whacker Background Story

He det

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34477684)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 9:44 AM
Author: Glassy Turdskin



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34478025)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 9:47 AM
Author: Underhanded Cuck Main People

Teddy Roosevelt III deals him in for their cards game.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34478042)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 5:55 AM
Author: Hairless Burgundy Business Firm

good for him

for all McCain's faults his namesake went to annapolis (4th generation, i think) and another son was an enlisted infantry Marine

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34477550)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 8:03 AM
Author: Bat-shit-crazy Exhilarant Weed Whacker Background Story

McCain’s were a military family first, he then later ran for office.

This dude is volunteering to build campaign resume.

Disclaimer: I respect anyone who volunteers, no matter what the reason. But let’s not make this more than it is.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34477683)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 7:58 AM
Author: Dark shrine

According to SI, he joined the army when his dad was trying to force him to play for the Kings.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34477666)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 8:04 AM
Author: Razzle-dazzle ungodly church personal credit line

The military is 180.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34477688)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 8:09 AM
Author: duck-like yapping black woman

I came from a rich family (certainly didn't have 700 MM, but still), and joined the military. Lots of people had trouble understanding why I would do that, and decided it must have been because I wanted to go into politics. That really pissed me off. In fact, one reason I've never run for office, despite opportunities to do so, is that I don't want people to think I went into the military in order to run for office. I did it to serve our country, to continue a family tradition, for adventure, to be a man, for honor. Not so that I could edge out somebody in the rat race.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34477696)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 8:12 AM
Author: Flesh Swollen Kitchen Jew

Except you're not "punching nazis" or whatever but rather ensuring that GloCap increases value for its shareholders

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34477706)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 8:13 AM
Author: grizzly immigrant

you're a uniquely annoying poaster

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34477712)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 8:14 AM
Author: duck-like yapping black woman

You can tell yourself whatever you need to believe.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34477713)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 8:14 AM
Author: Bat-shit-crazy Exhilarant Weed Whacker Background Story

Congrats, you’re in the 1%.

As I pointed out above, motivation doesn’t really matter. What matters is that you put your hand up and did it.

If everyone spent 2 years before turning 30 performing some type of service, even something like TFA or peace corps, I think the country would be much better off. It would be a good counterbalance to the 4 years of infantilization that kids get now at college.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34477714)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 11:33 AM
Author: Carnelian hospital deer antler

Cr. Mandatory civil service is 180, especially if it's military.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34478821)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 12:31 PM
Author: Up-to-no-good Hairy Legs Telephone



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34479186)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 9:23 AM
Author: Underhanded Cuck Main People

Ree-spect.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34477934)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 9:28 AM
Author: Charismatic Clear Indirect Expression



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34477953)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 10:53 AM
Author: snowy stimulating property

"for adventure, to be a man, for honor"

You didn't do it for political office but you did it for vanity driven reasons

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34478501)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 11:03 AM
Author: Underhanded Cuck Main People



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34478577)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 11:09 AM
Author: zippy antidepressant drug

*adds 30-something to list of poasters I respect*

*first has to create the file*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34478624)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 9:20 AM
Author: dashing garrison

These are my awards, Mother. From Army.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34477924)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 9:30 AM
Author: Soul-stirring Affirmative Action School Cafeteria



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34477962)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 9:25 AM
Author: frozen pale home

I wish I enlisted after graduating college. Even though my major from college would probably have meant I was would have been riding a desk in Intelligence, and I would have copped those SICK bennies.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34477940)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 10:55 AM
Author: Bat-shit-crazy Exhilarant Weed Whacker Background Story

Key is to enlist for 2-4 years BEFORE college. Get the life experience, live overseas, and then have your college mostly paid for.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34478510)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 12:34 PM
Author: Up-to-no-good Hairy Legs Telephone



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34479220)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 12:50 PM
Author: Bat-shit-crazy Exhilarant Weed Whacker Background Story



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34479344)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 9:28 AM
Author: Exciting pocket flask

His friends sure are cool

https://www.instagram.com/p/BYmzWvWje5p/?hl=en

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34477952)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 9:33 AM
Author: Charismatic Clear Indirect Expression

10 to 1 on they are a nice bunch of people

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34477974)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 9:38 AM
Author: Exciting pocket flask

My takeaway from his IG is that he is gay

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34477996)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 9:30 AM
Author: Charismatic Clear Indirect Expression

Maybe he wants to do something more with his life than just consume and wants to honor and serve the country and community he loves.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34477963)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 12:34 PM
Author: Up-to-no-good Hairy Legs Telephone



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34479223)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 9:32 AM
Author: Underhanded Cuck Main People

Really though, if you were totally financially secure, why wouldn't you join the Army?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34477969)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 9:34 AM
Author: Fear-inspiring boyish gas station

This is 180 credited of the dude.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34477978)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 9:49 AM
Author: Amber big sweet tailpipe

Im not a militarymo but why would you enlist if you have a college degree versus being commissioned (is that the right terminology) as officer? Did this guy just enlist? LtDan pls respond!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34478052)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 10:35 AM
Author: Arrogant Yarmulke Jewess

i have friends with relatively elite backgrounds who enlisted because it gave them much greater odds at special ops related jobs. always have the option to make the jump from enlisted to officer later on.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34478373)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 11:05 AM
Author: fragrant heaven

I was under the impression that going from E to O was relatively difficult.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34478597)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 11:12 AM
Author: Carnelian hospital deer antler

The point is it's easy if your dad plays golf at the same country club as the joint chiefs etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34478638)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 11:25 AM
Author: Arrogant Yarmulke Jewess

for most it is. it's far from impossible though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34478753)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 10:57 AM
Author: Bat-shit-crazy Exhilarant Weed Whacker Background Story

Appears he just enlisted.

You have to apply for Officer Candidate School, but then you’re looking at a 4-6 year minimum commitment. Officers also (theoretically) have significantly more responsibility.

If this guy just wants to do his 2-4 years and get out, then enlistment is the way to go.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34478536)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 9:50 AM
Author: Flesh Swollen Kitchen Jew

He's also the only dude in his family without a wikipedia page

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aneel_Ranadive

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anjali_World

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivek_Ranadiv%C3%A9

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34478055)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 9:52 AM
Author: mauve institution

I know of a similar situation, guy whose net worth is probably low 9 figures and his son was in active duty Air Force, got out last year and is now a commercial pilot. Family has a long military tradition so I think his dad probably pushed it on him a bit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34478068)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 9:57 AM
Author: Glittery station

This thread reminds me of doing ROTC at an Ivy and all of the befuddled people I ran into asking me why. So many shitlibs just don't get the concept of military service and what it means to be an American. I actually had to drop a class with some draft dodging boomer professor who undoubtedly was going to flunk me just for wearing the uniform in his class.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34478105)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 10:55 AM
Author: Underhanded Cuck Main People



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34478511)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 10:59 AM
Author: irradiated voyeur parlor

I did ROTC at HUG and there were 20 commissioned out of my class. It's not as unusual as people think.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34478545)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 11:07 AM
Author: fragrant heaven

If you do ROTC do you still have to do OCS?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34478610)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 12:36 PM
Author: Up-to-no-good Hairy Legs Telephone



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34479237)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 10:59 AM
Author: Bat-shit-crazy Exhilarant Weed Whacker Background Story

The 60s and hippie Boomers really did a number on this country. The damage they caused is incalculable.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34478547)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 10:58 AM
Author: Navy razzmatazz abode toilet seat

Lol shitting on California

https://www.instagram.com/p/X5hzOAjaw-/?hl=en&taken-by=aranadive

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34478540)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 11:12 AM
Author: zippy antidepressant drug

190 billion

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34478647)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 11:27 AM
Author: thriller shaky boltzmann

Military service is more common among the upper class than the upper middle class.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34478771)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 12:28 PM
Author: jet splenetic masturbator

It’s basically mandatory for British royals, so it doesn’t seem really out of place for someone coming from wealth. One of the good things about the concept of military service is that it can be an environment where socio-economic diversity and interaction happens.

I’m not unsatisfied with my life, I’m rich and happy, but I think I’d have had just as good an outcome had I done Purdue aviation / ROTC; got accepted just after the first Gulf war and parents were like no way on that one. As for officer vs enlisted, sometimes they have some specific specialities that are more oriented to enlisted roles; e.g. technical roles in security and intel that private sector will pay $$$ for later. One of the other options back in my day was “high school to flight school” which was a direct path to flying helicopters / Warrant Officer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3768472&forum_id=2#34479158)



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Date: October 19th, 2017 3:02 PM
Author: carmine fortuitous meteor really tough guy

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