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Fun Legal Hypo (Mistaken Black Hats) - From Talmud Law Class

shlomo went to daven at the western wall, and he left his bl...
glittery doobsian gas station
  10/20/17
RULING: shlomo isnt entitled to the hat, even if the own...
glittery doobsian gas station
  01/05/18
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glittery doobsian gas station
  11/19/17
arent these black hats the exact same ?
Honey-headed queen of the night
  11/19/17
no, could be a big range in $$
glittery doobsian gas station
  11/19/17
seems like there is nothing to do here. Leave the hat bac...
Rough-skinned hunting ground crackhouse
  11/19/17
The hat is now his.
ultramarine twinkling uncleanness
  11/19/17
what about the laundry-service swapped clothes dilemma from ...
Rough-skinned hunting ground crackhouse
  11/19/17
ljl i said this at the class. rabbi had never seen curb
glittery doobsian gas station
  11/19/17
He should return the hat, it's not his hat. It's irrelevant ...
wonderful bonkers main people
  11/19/17
return to original location?
Rough-skinned hunting ground crackhouse
  11/19/17
Yes, unless he has any other information regarding where to ...
wonderful bonkers main people
  11/19/17


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Date: October 20th, 2017 1:48 PM
Author: glittery doobsian gas station

shlomo went to daven at the western wall, and he left his black hat on the hat rack. after he finished davening, he picked up "his" black hat -- but after 10-15minutes on his walk home, he realized he picked up someone else's hat rather than his own.

shlomo went back and tried to find his hat, but it was gone already. he then went home with the black hat (that isnt his) and asked his rabbi for a ruling on what to do.

what should the rabbi advise him?

p.s. neither his black hat or the one he took has anyone's name on it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769668&forum_id=2#34487835)



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Date: January 5th, 2018 3:29 PM
Author: glittery doobsian gas station

RULING:

shlomo isnt entitled to the hat, even if the owner MAY have taken his hat. he has to make a reasonable effort to find the owner, such as making a poasting somewhere. if the owner doesn't appear, he has to obtain a proper valuation by asking 2 witnesses to agree on a FMV for the hat and write that number down. he can then keep the hat, and it's his. but if the owner ever turns up, he owes the owner that valuation amount.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769668&forum_id=2#35089042)



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Date: November 19th, 2017 12:23 AM
Author: glittery doobsian gas station



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769668&forum_id=2#34721346)



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Date: November 19th, 2017 12:23 AM
Author: Honey-headed queen of the night

arent these black hats the exact same ?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769668&forum_id=2#34721352)



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Date: November 19th, 2017 12:53 AM
Author: glittery doobsian gas station

no, could be a big range in $$

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769668&forum_id=2#34721486)



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Date: November 19th, 2017 12:24 AM
Author: Rough-skinned hunting ground crackhouse

seems like there is nothing to do here.

Leave the hat back where he found it?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769668&forum_id=2#34721353)



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Date: November 19th, 2017 12:39 AM
Author: ultramarine twinkling uncleanness

The hat is now his.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769668&forum_id=2#34721434)



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Date: November 19th, 2017 12:39 AM
Author: Rough-skinned hunting ground crackhouse

what about the laundry-service swapped clothes dilemma from Curb Your Enthusiasm?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769668&forum_id=2#34721437)



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Date: November 19th, 2017 12:55 AM
Author: glittery doobsian gas station

ljl i said this at the class. rabbi had never seen curb

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769668&forum_id=2#34721498)



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Date: November 19th, 2017 12:42 AM
Author: wonderful bonkers main people

He should return the hat, it's not his hat. It's irrelevant that someone took his actual hat, he should have been more careful with it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769668&forum_id=2#34721448)



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Date: November 19th, 2017 12:43 AM
Author: Rough-skinned hunting ground crackhouse

return to original location?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769668&forum_id=2#34721449)



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Date: November 19th, 2017 12:45 AM
Author: wonderful bonkers main people

Yes, unless he has any other information regarding where to find the owner

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769668&forum_id=2#34721456)