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Fun Legal Hypo (Mistaken Black Hats) - From Talmud Law Class

shlomo went to daven at the western wall, and he left his bl...
supple sepia native degenerate
  10/20/17
RULING: shlomo isnt entitled to the hat, even if the own...
supple sepia native degenerate
  01/05/18
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supple sepia native degenerate
  11/19/17
arent these black hats the exact same ?
Soggy amber university people who are hurt
  11/19/17
no, could be a big range in $$
supple sepia native degenerate
  11/19/17
seems like there is nothing to do here. Leave the hat bac...
vigorous geriatric philosopher-king crotch
  11/19/17
The hat is now his.
Brass beady-eyed elastic band old irish cottage
  11/19/17
what about the laundry-service swapped clothes dilemma from ...
vigorous geriatric philosopher-king crotch
  11/19/17
ljl i said this at the class. rabbi had never seen curb
supple sepia native degenerate
  11/19/17
He should return the hat, it's not his hat. It's irrelevant ...
Histrionic Forum Twinkling Uncleanness
  11/19/17
return to original location?
vigorous geriatric philosopher-king crotch
  11/19/17
Yes, unless he has any other information regarding where to ...
Histrionic Forum Twinkling Uncleanness
  11/19/17


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Date: October 20th, 2017 1:48 PM
Author: supple sepia native degenerate

shlomo went to daven at the western wall, and he left his black hat on the hat rack. after he finished davening, he picked up "his" black hat -- but after 10-15minutes on his walk home, he realized he picked up someone else's hat rather than his own.

shlomo went back and tried to find his hat, but it was gone already. he then went home with the black hat (that isnt his) and asked his rabbi for a ruling on what to do.

what should the rabbi advise him?

p.s. neither his black hat or the one he took has anyone's name on it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769668&forum_id=2#34487835)



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Date: January 5th, 2018 3:29 PM
Author: supple sepia native degenerate

RULING:

shlomo isnt entitled to the hat, even if the owner MAY have taken his hat. he has to make a reasonable effort to find the owner, such as making a poasting somewhere. if the owner doesn't appear, he has to obtain a proper valuation by asking 2 witnesses to agree on a FMV for the hat and write that number down. he can then keep the hat, and it's his. but if the owner ever turns up, he owes the owner that valuation amount.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769668&forum_id=2#35089042)



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Date: November 19th, 2017 12:23 AM
Author: supple sepia native degenerate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769668&forum_id=2#34721346)



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Date: November 19th, 2017 12:23 AM
Author: Soggy amber university people who are hurt

arent these black hats the exact same ?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769668&forum_id=2#34721352)



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Date: November 19th, 2017 12:53 AM
Author: supple sepia native degenerate

no, could be a big range in $$

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769668&forum_id=2#34721486)



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Date: November 19th, 2017 12:24 AM
Author: vigorous geriatric philosopher-king crotch

seems like there is nothing to do here.

Leave the hat back where he found it?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769668&forum_id=2#34721353)



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Date: November 19th, 2017 12:39 AM
Author: Brass beady-eyed elastic band old irish cottage

The hat is now his.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769668&forum_id=2#34721434)



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Date: November 19th, 2017 12:39 AM
Author: vigorous geriatric philosopher-king crotch

what about the laundry-service swapped clothes dilemma from Curb Your Enthusiasm?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769668&forum_id=2#34721437)



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Date: November 19th, 2017 12:55 AM
Author: supple sepia native degenerate

ljl i said this at the class. rabbi had never seen curb

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769668&forum_id=2#34721498)



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Date: November 19th, 2017 12:42 AM
Author: Histrionic Forum Twinkling Uncleanness

He should return the hat, it's not his hat. It's irrelevant that someone took his actual hat, he should have been more careful with it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769668&forum_id=2#34721448)



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Date: November 19th, 2017 12:43 AM
Author: vigorous geriatric philosopher-king crotch

return to original location?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769668&forum_id=2#34721449)



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Date: November 19th, 2017 12:45 AM
Author: Histrionic Forum Twinkling Uncleanness

Yes, unless he has any other information regarding where to find the owner

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3769668&forum_id=2#34721456)