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Spoke with a Hiring manager today. Was told they would never hire a programmer

over 45, unless he could fit extremely well into the culture...
ruddy deer antler indian lodge
  10/20/17
At 45 you're no longer an Agile ape you're a "project m...
Thriller zombie-like prole generalized bond
  10/20/17
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Vivacious Indirect Expression Crackhouse
  10/20/17
Plenty of "architects" who still code too. You jus...
wonderful blue juggernaut sandwich
  10/20/17
IME these dudes are mostly in either in management roles, wh...
concupiscible tantric parlour volcanic crater
  10/21/17
lifehack: learn FORTRAN and apply to these weird positions.
big high-end university mental disorder
  10/21/17
Can't you sue them for even saying that
aromatic topaz abode
  10/20/17
Except I'm not anywhere close to 45. And I'm dating her.
ruddy deer antler indian lodge
  10/20/17
Wtf is this thread about
aromatic topaz abode
  10/20/17
I worked with a 42 year old programmer once and he was by fa...
multi-colored lavender windowlicker home
  10/20/17
The trick is to do it Russian style and just offer your inte...
floppy cruel-hearted half-breed
  10/20/17
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Vivacious Indirect Expression Crackhouse
  10/20/17
I'm working for a megacorps right now that I got through alu...
ruddy deer antler indian lodge
  10/20/17
...
multi-colored lavender windowlicker home
  10/20/17
These "HR" cunts are going to trigger a national u...
Slate shivering travel guidebook
  10/20/17
Boomers & HRslugs versus US. That's a conflict over whic...
multi-colored lavender windowlicker home
  10/20/17
Why is HR making these decisions? In my experience in tech ...
Marvelous outnumbered menage
  10/20/17
middle aged guys don't have much of a problem eventually fin...
saffron gunner chapel
  10/20/17
45 year olds now aren't digital natives. those that are are ...
vengeful heaven
  10/20/17
It very much depends. There are 50+ guys like Kent Beck who ...
multi-colored lavender windowlicker home
  10/20/17
i tried to make the point that there's a generational differ...
vengeful heaven
  10/20/17
I basically totally agree with you but want to shout out the...
multi-colored lavender windowlicker home
  10/20/17
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wonderful blue juggernaut sandwich
  10/20/17
40+ year olds have issues being hired in lots of non senior ...
Flirting Potus Stage
  10/20/17
When GC requires a woman who should otherwise be a housewife...
multi-colored lavender windowlicker home
  10/20/17
There are Principal and Senior SWE titles but it basically j...
Thriller zombie-like prole generalized bond
  10/21/17


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Date: October 20th, 2017 7:27 PM
Author: ruddy deer antler indian lodge

over 45, unless he could fit extremely well into the culture. This wasn't a startup or Goog/FB/AMZ.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770011&forum_id=2#34490549)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 7:28 PM
Author: Thriller zombie-like prole generalized bond

At 45 you're no longer an Agile ape you're a "project manager" or "product manager" or "director". Unless you flamed out or whatever

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770011&forum_id=2#34490564)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 10:40 PM
Author: Vivacious Indirect Expression Crackhouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770011&forum_id=2#34491776)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 11:46 PM
Author: wonderful blue juggernaut sandwich

Plenty of "architects" who still code too. You just have to be good. If you're looking for regular agile ape work you're gonna have a rough time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770011&forum_id=2#34492199)



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Date: October 21st, 2017 12:03 AM
Author: concupiscible tantric parlour volcanic crater

IME these dudes are mostly in either in management roles, whether engineering, product, project etc.

Or they're at some hardware company or one of the larger places like Oracle, HP etc. that have been around for a long time. There are most places like this than people realize b/c young grads usually don't apply to these old places.

Lastly there's another category you'll largely see them in - which is either some kind of consulting or large institution which maintains a huge legacy codebase of some older languages that aren't being taught much anymore but are crucial to some legacy systems at large institutions like goverment, education etc.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770011&forum_id=2#34492317)



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Date: October 21st, 2017 12:07 AM
Author: big high-end university mental disorder

lifehack: learn FORTRAN and apply to these weird positions.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770011&forum_id=2#34492340)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 7:32 PM
Author: aromatic topaz abode

Can't you sue them for even saying that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770011&forum_id=2#34490586)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 7:36 PM
Author: ruddy deer antler indian lodge

Except I'm not anywhere close to 45. And I'm dating her.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770011&forum_id=2#34490618)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 10:34 PM
Author: aromatic topaz abode

Wtf is this thread about

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770011&forum_id=2#34491749)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 7:39 PM
Author: multi-colored lavender windowlicker home

I worked with a 42 year old programmer once and he was by far the least productive member of the team and was fired within months. This is obviously one data point.

The bigger problem is GC's retarded hiring processes where some chick is doing the phone screens and HR filters for X years of experience in random overly specific technologies. This disqualifies otherwise highly qualified people and results in D-players getting hired into MegaCorps.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770011&forum_id=2#34490640)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 7:41 PM
Author: floppy cruel-hearted half-breed

The trick is to do it Russian style and just offer your interviewer $5k if they hire you. Cut the BS.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770011&forum_id=2#34490655)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 10:41 PM
Author: Vivacious Indirect Expression Crackhouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770011&forum_id=2#34491779)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 7:42 PM
Author: ruddy deer antler indian lodge

I'm working for a megacorps right now that I got through alumni connections. Our team for lack of a better word sucks. I don't even have a STEM degree, but I see Masters candidates getting rejected because they are 33 despite going back to school to switch fields. This is what happens when you have unfocused women in HR

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770011&forum_id=2#34490672)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 7:44 PM
Author: multi-colored lavender windowlicker home



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770011&forum_id=2#34490684)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 11:21 PM
Author: Slate shivering travel guidebook

These "HR" cunts are going to trigger a national uprising

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770011&forum_id=2#34492039)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 11:53 PM
Author: multi-colored lavender windowlicker home

Boomers & HRslugs versus US. That's a conflict over which I would put my life on the line.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770011&forum_id=2#34492242)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 11:56 PM
Author: Marvelous outnumbered menage

Why is HR making these decisions? In my experience in tech it's all up to the hiring manager and HR just signs off at the end.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770011&forum_id=2#34492275)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 10:48 PM
Author: saffron gunner chapel

middle aged guys don't have much of a problem eventually finding work if they're experienced in something. who else is going to service late 90s windows applications still used in bizarre corners of the government and shit like that?

obviously people who are smart don't have an issue either, as a sharp dude with experience who can still keep tabs on new developments has solid value.

that said, I would definitely not want to be an aging "always on the whizbang cutting edge!" webdev type. younger people can learn new shit faster (and hear of it first to begin with), and it's easy to end up hopping from Thing to Thing without getting deep experience in any one particular niche (and more importantly, always being on the cutting edge means you're far more likely to work with tech that never sees mass long-term adoption)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770011&forum_id=2#34491831)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 10:50 PM
Author: vengeful heaven

45 year olds now aren't digital natives. those that are are probably very employable.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770011&forum_id=2#34491848)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 11:03 PM
Author: multi-colored lavender windowlicker home

It very much depends. There are 50+ guys like Kent Beck who are eminently qualified for basically anything and who do you a favor accepting your offer.

The problem is that the median 45 year-old F-player type individual contributors introduce serious flaws and anti-patterns into the code that the superior younger guys hesitate to challenge. So ultimately the age rule of thumb works; just don't hire old guys.

Sure, if the gen-x er you just hired is DHH, congratulations. But it is much more likely that you hired a turd that will hold your current employees back.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770011&forum_id=2#34491923)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 11:08 PM
Author: vengeful heaven

i tried to make the point that there's a generational difference between the older gen (45ers) and younger (25ers). the current 25ers will be better in the workforce than current 45ers because they grew up online and have more personally invested in technology and are more resourceful

of course there are 60 year old guys now that are ultra elite but we're talking averages

i don't think what we're saying is inconsistent with each other, jus tnot sure if my point came across

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770011&forum_id=2#34491955)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 11:42 PM
Author: multi-colored lavender windowlicker home

I basically totally agree with you but want to shout out the A-player older guys. Maybe that'll be us one day. I have seen guys with experience sway very important decisions in the right direction.

But ultimately, again, it comes down to why you decided to hire every employee. If you can't tell if they are valuable or not, you should probably fire them.

Just today I told my boss that I was likely over 100 times more productive than the median US employee and he actually disagreed and said at least 500x. Terrible geezers are worse than 1x (break even).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770011&forum_id=2#34492180)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 11:49 PM
Author: wonderful blue juggernaut sandwich



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770011&forum_id=2#34492216)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 11:25 PM
Author: Flirting Potus Stage

40+ year olds have issues being hired in lots of non senior roles.

programmer is not a senior role anywhere, no?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770011&forum_id=2#34492073)



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Date: October 20th, 2017 11:36 PM
Author: multi-colored lavender windowlicker home

When GC requires a woman who should otherwise be a housewife to ask for shit like "TEN YEARS OF EXPERIENCE WITH SWIFT", 'programmer' necessarily becomes a senior role.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770011&forum_id=2#34492143)



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Date: October 21st, 2017 12:11 AM
Author: Thriller zombie-like prole generalized bond

There are Principal and Senior SWE titles but it basically just means you get paid slightly more.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3770011&forum_id=2#34492357)