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Date: November 10th, 2017 9:34 PM Author: Lavender Jew (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34658719) |
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Date: November 11th, 2017 7:56 AM Author: Lake market OP IS WLMAS LOL. DIE you dirty nigger, die!!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34660694) |
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Date: November 13th, 2017 4:24 AM Author: Hairraiser corner really tough guy LOL just LOL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34673658) |
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Date: December 10th, 2017 5:10 PM Author: Lake market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34884254) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2017 11:12 AM Author: Exciting sticky legend (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34991244) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 9:35 PM Author: Dashing buck-toothed hall people who are hurt AA is flame but getting drunk at work is a big red flag.
So idk you're basically just fucked now. |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 9:36 PM Author: brilliant theatre round eye http://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3508537&mc=192&forum_id=2 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34658736) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 9:37 PM Author: Lavender Jew (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34658740) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 9:40 PM Author: brilliant theatre round eye Dry out for a few months to make sure you can do it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34658754) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 9:44 PM Author: Lavender Jew I tried to not drink today. It lasted until 6pm. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34658785) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 9:49 PM Author: sooty thirsty parlor idea he suggested why is that a problem? the drinking before trial shit is what should worry you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34658829) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 9:51 PM Author: Lavender Jew (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34658840) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 9:52 PM Author: Dashing buck-toothed hall people who are hurt You're delusional. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34658853) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 9:54 PM Author: brilliant theatre round eye CR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34658861) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 9:55 PM Author: Lavender Jew How's Brighton Beach this time of the year u slav nigger? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34658869) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 9:55 PM Author: sooty thirsty parlor idea he suggested i am too. just because you pull it off doesn't mean you aren't flirting with disaster. i feel like you realize this and it's why you made the thread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34658877) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 9:58 PM Author: Dashing buck-toothed hall people who are hurt Exactly. Or everybody knows but you aren't bad enough for it to be a problem, yet.
One slip up and you're toast. |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 10:00 PM Author: Lavender Jew Yes, this is true. But it isn't an acute problem right now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34658922) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 9:39 PM Author: sooty thirsty parlor idea he suggested take a month off. you're just in a bender. everyone does this from time to time. literally lmao at aa. what a joke (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34658750) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 9:41 PM Author: Lavender Jew A 4-month bender? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34658761) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 9:43 PM Author: sooty thirsty parlor idea he suggested last semester i drank every day in and before class except 2 days. gave speeches drunk in front of class, etc. then i took a month off and felt fine (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34658776) |
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Date: July 24th, 2019 9:28 PM Author: clear toaster plaza (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#38583330) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 9:41 PM Author: Dashing buck-toothed hall people who are hurt AA seems like it works on proles who need a rigid mindset about things.
OP should just avoid drinking during work hours, then avoid during the week and go from there.
If it's not bringing joy to his life, then cut it. No need to go full Nazi though. |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 9:45 PM Author: Lavender Jew Of course it brings joy that's why I do it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34658792) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 10:32 PM Author: soggy disturbing pozpig Or are you just burying some kind of pain? All the major drunks I know had fucked up childhoods. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34659144) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 10:38 PM Author: Lavender Jew No, I had a good childhood. The pain is recent. I dunno. Maybe I should see a shrink too (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34659205) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 10:48 PM Author: soggy disturbing pozpig but it is pain... sorry man. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34659261) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2017 5:33 PM Author: adventurous bbw hell (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34823469) |
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Date: May 20th, 2018 3:54 PM Author: titillating poppy mother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#36091048) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 9:41 PM Author: Purple boyish center fat ankles so that's why you've been spamming unhinged bullshit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34658762) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 9:47 PM Author: Lavender Jew Shut the fuck up u goosestepping fucking loser, lol at how empty your life must be that you lose your shit anytime someone criticizes your Dear Leader (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34658809) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 9:49 PM Author: Dashing buck-toothed hall people who are hurt Wait is this fucking WLMAS? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34658828) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 9:50 PM Author: sooty thirsty parlor idea he suggested lol is it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34658834) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 9:52 PM Author: out-of-control kink-friendly rigor electric furnace Yes it is (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34658846) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 9:54 PM Author: adventurous bbw hell lmfao
NO DIE FROM LIVER FAILURE YOU FUCKING LOSER |
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Date: May 20th, 2018 3:28 PM Author: titillating poppy mother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#36090893) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2018 5:49 PM Author: titillating poppy mother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#36172445) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 9:54 PM Author: brilliant theatre round eye HOLY SHIT LOL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34658868) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 9:56 PM Author: Lavender Jew ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34658890) |
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Date: June 2nd, 2018 6:06 PM Author: titillating poppy mother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#36172515) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 10:49 PM Author: soggy disturbing pozpig I don't think WLMAS calls people nigger (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34659264) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 10:49 PM Author: Lavender Jew I make an exception for Russians (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34659270) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 10:56 PM Author: soggy disturbing pozpig I'm not convinced you are WLMAS but if you are I know we disagree on everything but I hope you get some help. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34659307) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 11:00 PM Author: Lavender Jew Thanks brother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34659338) |
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Date: November 13th, 2017 4:27 AM Author: Hairraiser corner really tough guy yes it is LOL
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Date: May 20th, 2018 1:59 PM Author: titillating poppy mother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#36090398) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 9:52 PM Author: Purple boyish center fat ankles seek help (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34658845) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 9:52 PM Author: out-of-control kink-friendly rigor electric furnace Didnt AA get you to college (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34658851) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 9:53 PM Author: adventurous bbw hell If you have to ask... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34658856) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 9:54 PM Author: out-of-control kink-friendly rigor electric furnace So the htimes u spent entire holidays ragepoasting you were drunk at your pc? Feel sad 4u now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34658863) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 9:55 PM Author: Dashing buck-toothed hall people who are hurt Sad! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34658873) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 9:56 PM Author: adventurous bbw hell I guess I should feel sad for him. Imagine what his life must be like that he’s asking is for advice (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34658891) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 9:59 PM Author: Lavender Jew (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34658914) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 10:26 PM Author: Aromatic mad cow disease home It is amazing to me that just mere months ago, both of you weren't on the bort anymore.
Yet fast forward and here you guys are, up to your old tricks.
This isn't a judgment on either of you, just one reason I really like it here. |
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Date: November 13th, 2017 4:18 AM Author: adventurous bbw hell Lol cr. A reliable constant in a crazy world (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34673644) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 9:56 PM Author: adventurous bbw hell I hope this is flame WLMAS. Because if this is the only place you can come for advice, a board full of people who hate you, you must really be in a terrible place IRL. explains a lot about your behavior on here tbh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34658885) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 9:58 PM Author: Lavender Jew (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34658910) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 9:59 PM Author: out-of-control kink-friendly rigor electric furnace Your grandpas death didnt turn you into an alcoholic you were long before, admit it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34658921) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 10:03 PM Author: adventurous bbw hell His grandpa was probably the only male role model in his life. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34658935) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 10:04 PM Author: out-of-control kink-friendly rigor electric furnace Yeah thats why the dad jokes trigger him so much (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34658938) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 10:06 PM Author: Dashing buck-toothed hall people who are hurt Do you think we should lay off this guy?
Part of me thinks this is flame to make us lay off.
But I think calling him out on his drinking problem would be pretty mean.
Just my 2c. |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 10:07 PM Author: adventurous bbw hell We spent all week making fun of spaceporn’s genetic condition. That seems worse. And spaceporn is much nicer in general (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34658958) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 10:15 PM Author: Lavender Jew Lol at this loser, trust me IDGAF about anything an obviously deranged fag like u thinks or says (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34659004) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 10:55 PM Author: adventurous bbw hell you are literally a retarded alcoholic nigger lol. Bigger loser than I’d assumed previously. Explains so much (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34659301) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 11:01 PM Author: Lavender Jew Go get some poppers and a poz rentboi (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34659348) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 11:03 PM Author: adventurous bbw hell it’s striking how repetitive and uncreative you are. Def sign of low IQ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34659357) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 11:04 PM Author: Lavender Jew (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34659366) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 10:07 PM Author: out-of-control kink-friendly rigor electric furnace We could sexualize him (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34658959) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 10:11 PM Author: Dashing buck-toothed hall people who are hurt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34658984) |
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Date: November 11th, 2017 1:36 AM Author: comical domesticated sweet tailpipe locale Oh dear (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34660201) |
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Date: May 20th, 2018 1:56 PM Author: titillating poppy mother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#36090384) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 10:13 PM Author: Purple boyish center fat ankles this faggot needs professional help either way (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34658994) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 10:00 PM Author: adventurous bbw hell Enjoy watching your professional and social life (oh wait you clearly have no friends) and health slowly deteriorate before your eyes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34658923) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 9:59 PM Author: crawly arousing gas station You need help. Not sure if AA is the answer, but regardless, you need help, and there is no shame in it whatsoever. I would consider seeing a psychiatrist or therapist of some kind and discussing it openly and looking at your options. Again, nothing wrong with doing that either.
Drinking at work is a pretty obvious sign that you need help and are not in control. You can conquer this with the right help, though. |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 10:01 PM Author: Lavender Jew Ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34658929) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 10:01 PM Author: irate ultramarine native circlehead Take a ninety day break -- it'll snap the back of the addiction and if you can't do that then go to rehab (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34658926) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 10:01 PM Author: coral masturbator if you drink heavy every day you should get detox meds.
I'm not saying 3 months is a long enough to get DTs but you don't want to find out. detoxing dry can be a mistake you can't correct. |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 10:03 PM Author: coral masturbator what I'm saying is see a doctor before you go to AA (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34658934) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 10:04 PM Author: Dashing buck-toothed hall people who are hurt and you can be straight with the doctor. they've seen it all before. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34658937) |
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Date: May 20th, 2018 1:52 PM Author: titillating poppy mother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#36090370) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 10:07 PM Author: Lavender Jew Ty, I didn't even know these existed but I have an appointment tomorrow AM and will ask about them (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34658956) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 10:10 PM Author: coral masturbator they do and--to reiterate--this can be life or death.
I doubt it in your case but who fucking cares what I think is likely based on your self report? just talk to the doctor and be sure he knows you've done serious drinking literally every single day |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 10:12 PM Author: Lavender Jew Yeah I probably need to drink to be completely candid. I've lied to him in the past about the extent of it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34658989) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 10:13 PM Author: Dashing buck-toothed hall people who are hurt ok the fact that you need to booze up to tell the truth about your drinking habits = problem bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34658995) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 10:15 PM Author: Lavender Jew Yeah... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34659011) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 10:19 PM Author: Lavender Jew I need to drink to click on the outlook icon in my toolbar and then drink again while the messages load (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34659042) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 10:25 PM Author: excitant garrison MODS.
brother -- you are me. i still struggle to read any kind of message without alcohol. that's just how i'm made. without alcohol, i'd never be able to do it. |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 10:34 PM Author: sooty thirsty parlor idea he suggested lol sometimes i'm like this with texts (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34659161) |
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Date: November 15th, 2017 1:36 PM Author: Motley Mental Disorder Piazza Voicemails here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34693378) |
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Date: October 19th, 2018 11:19 AM Author: clear toaster plaza same but snapchat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#37055774) |
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Date: January 15th, 2019 12:09 AM Author: comical domesticated sweet tailpipe locale (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#37593511) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 10:16 PM Author: coral masturbator alcoholics lie. to their doctors and everyone else.
now's the time to come clean. he won't be shocked. |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 10:15 PM Author: coral masturbator once youre under medical supervision you should seriously consider your other treatment options, counseling, etc. since this appears to be out of hand. if you don't know where else to go you can find a meeting and ask them for some suggestions. Show up to the meeting early and stay late--one on one conversations happen before and after meetings. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34659003) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 10:17 PM Author: Lavender Jew It is out of hand but I'm wary about telling then enough to get me involuntarily committed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34659021) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 10:21 PM Author: coral masturbator if you don't want to be committed don't say you're a threat to yourself or others.
probably shouldn't rule out in-patient but it's not going to be involuntary bro |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 10:24 PM Author: Lavender Jew Ty, genuinely. I'm going to polish off that bottle and go to bed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34659073) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 10:18 PM Author: scarlet trip roommate 180 advice here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34659026) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 10:13 PM Author: provocative senate http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrTlI6seM0A (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34658992) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 10:23 PM Author: excitant garrison i speak from experience friend.
when it got bad, i would (have to) drink mid-day in law. it honestly made me 10x better.
people don't understand that when you reach a certain point, it's medicinal. though also, it relieves the crushing anxiety some of us are naturally born with and honestly is a performance enhancer.
i don't want to out self, but i've also given some extraordinarily high level presentations where i drank beforehand and got commended as them being some of the best a really, really high level audience had seen.
it gets you in the end.
with me, it was someone seeing me drink a beer at lunch. they reported it to HR, who went apeshit and started going after me. |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 10:26 PM Author: Lavender Jew Yeah, something has got to give. It probably already has. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34659095) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 10:36 PM Author: excitant garrison problem is, some asshole is going to use it against you.
men in court, i'm quite sure, knew i drank. they didn't make a big deal of it, because i did my job well.
women reported it. |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 11:01 PM Author: brilliant theatre round eye I have seen this a few times. Particularly female attorneys, for some unfathomable reason, just fucking love to get people in trouble. The tattle-tale hall monitor mentality blows me mind. The people I have known who went down for reasons like drinking on the job were all narced on by women. Men tend to let people make their choices and let events take their own course. I would never, ever want to be the one to bust somebody for this sort of thing and it would have to be truly dire circumstances for me to even consider it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34659343) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 10:27 PM Author: sooty thirsty parlor idea he suggested what kind of faggot reports a beer at lunch to hr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34659099) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 10:28 PM Author: histrionic ticket booth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34659104) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 10:28 PM Author: sepia floppy tank (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34659107) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 10:33 PM Author: excitant garrison a black woman lawyer trying to get ahead. it worked. she got promoted. i got grilled endlessly until i knew they were going to fire me, so i resigned so i wouldn't have to tell future employers i got fired.
btw, i was a good lawyer. hated it. but believe it or not, i was good. no one would say otherwise. i was well liked by almost every lawyer i dealt with.
EDIT: to be fair, a white woman lawyer reported to the court she smelled booze on my breath once one morning. sure she did from the night before. but that set off the end for me. the black woman lawyer then reported the beer at lunch and i was done. i think you have to be pretty low to not talk to the person first before you snitch on that shit. |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 10:39 PM Author: Dashing buck-toothed hall people who are hurt That is unconscionable. Unless you operate heavy machinery or fly planes, 1 beer at lunch isn't an objective reason to fire. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34659215) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 10:42 PM Author: excitant garrison i edited to be fair to the black woman. still was really bad on her part, i think.
whatever, though. i absolutely hate law.
i need creativity. i love saul goodman because i see so much of myself in him. |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 11:04 PM Author: brilliant theatre round eye What kind of lawyer were you where you were going to court this often but it was a scenario where women are freaking out that you smell like alcohol? That shit doesn't happen in scrappy state jurisdictions. Half the lawyers in there smell like liquor or their raunchy coffee breath and farty little courtroom attire combine with the aroma of defendants to mask all else. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34659364) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 11:07 PM Author: excitant garrison I'll out self. Let's just say I was Pros or PD. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34659385) |
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Date: November 11th, 2017 12:05 AM Author: brilliant theatre round eye You hated that? Those seem like some of the only fun jobs that aren't complete fuck-off mommy-jobs.
But LOL man you shouldn't be drinking during working hours if you're repping clients in court and making decisions for dumbs. You might feel fucking 180 and believe you're better after three TORPEDOS but there are good reasons for others to get upset about that. Not lecturing at all and I'm sure you understand. |
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Date: November 11th, 2017 12:06 AM Author: excitant garrison the job was fine. the management was unbearable.
clearly i had to work with some real assholes. |
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Date: November 11th, 2017 12:08 AM Author: brilliant theatre round eye So prosecutor then. Why not just do solo crime defense once you had to leave? Make a website, do a handful of DUIs every month, take some sex cases here and there, maek it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34659802) |
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Date: November 11th, 2017 12:26 AM Author: excitant garrison my dad was a solo crime defense. he ended up horribly depressed and a mess. so i think that weighs on me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34659912) |
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Date: November 11th, 2017 12:57 AM Author: brilliant theatre round eye May not have been the job. IME these people are some of the happiest lawyers you will ever meet. I am sure you dealt with plenty of them. And let's be blunt, other than the hassle of a lot of hearings and dealing with your dirtbag clients, it's usually pretty easy work if you're familiar with the jurisdiction.
It's just a thought. It seems like one of the few ways to be a lawyer but really have a lot of time and energy to pursue other things you're interested in. |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 10:57 PM Author: sooty thirsty parlor idea he suggested no sexist but hard to overstate the disaster of women in the workplace (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34659316) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 11:05 PM Author: excitant garrison it's badddddd. I don't put much into the Myers Briggs thing, but has there ever been a woman who is a P? They are all judgmental as fuck, and just looking for reasons to fuck people over for not strictly following some rule in their minds. Everything is an affront.
Work performance means fuck all.
I actually think that's what it's about. They want rule following to supplant work performance. |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 11:00 PM Author: adventurous bbw hell This is how women operate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34659334) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 10:47 PM Author: soggy disturbing pozpig An employee of mine ordered a beer at lunch once. I wasn't pleased but he was good at his job so I didn't care. Plus at the time I went home and drank a pitcher of margaritas every night so who was I to judge. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34659257) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 10:39 PM Author: Exhilarant angry indirect expression I did it and it got me to stop drinking.
You should only really go if you have a strong desire to stop drinking. |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 10:46 PM Author: Aromatic mad cow disease home I can't really offer any advice, but I appreciate your honesty and sincerely hope you end up in a better place. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34659248) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 10:47 PM Author: Lavender Jew Ty, this is the first time I've said anything about this and hopefully I can talk to IRL ppl about this now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34659256) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 10:50 PM Author: Aromatic mad cow disease home It probably will make it easier. Just the process of articulating this stuff should help.
Also, as with anything, the first IRL person will be the hardest. Once that is out of the way the others will be easier. |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 10:54 PM Author: excitant garrison for me, i had to go to this horrible lawyers' AA group at first. which i guess for some people works. for me, it made me want to drink way more. it was horribly depressing. they were all older. holding hands and chanting out of a book. they had killed people in DUIs. i couldn't take it. it's like telling someone they have to join a religious cult.
and they were looking for ways to fire me in the meantime, regardless. it was one of many bad times in my recent years.
for me, i need to get away from the shaming and people giving me shit about drinking. they don't get that. they think talking about it makes it better. actually, talking about it makes them feel better, and they don't care that it is a huge trigger for me. i'm really sensitive to external emotions. probably 100th percentile. most people have no idea. |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 10:59 PM Author: Lavender Jew (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34659326) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 11:03 PM Author: excitant garrison it's not feasible. it might be for some really broken older lawyers at their last straw. who probably have religion in their lives. but it's a scam. and it's utter BS they make you do that if you are caught having a beer at lunch, and alcohol on your breath one morning. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34659355) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 11:06 PM Author: brilliant theatre round eye Forcing people to do treatment really seems like it's more about shaming and labeling than it is true recovery. Any intelligent person knows that most 'treatment' is scammy and a waste for people with normal intelligence. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34659380) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 11:09 PM Author: excitant garrison people are dumb. they either want to feel superior, or just don't get what people in bad times are going through. i think it's closer to scarlet letter. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34659398) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 11:09 PM Author: Lavender Jew (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34659403) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 11:17 PM Author: excitant garrison boom was right. it's all a scam. more importantly, so much of it is other people trying to feel better about themselves, when god knows what they have in their closets. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34659460) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 10:56 PM Author: adventurous bbw hell Yes I hope he ends up in a better place like JDU or TLS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34659308) |
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Date: November 10th, 2017 11:16 PM Author: excitant garrison So I recently had to quit a job that was in the other career I had that was somewhat related to law, but not law. A friend said she'd get my resume to the opposite office of the government law I once did. But I know the HR woman from my prior gov job would shut it down, because I know she stopped me from getting a good job already. Which is why I stopped putting it on my resume.
FTGE.
So, basically, my advice to all, is be a Puritan in a lib culture. |
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Date: November 11th, 2017 12:12 AM Author: brilliant theatre round eye I have to tell you brother, you're carrying some toxic and conflicted baggage over whatever happened. You fucked up, they treated you poorly, probably all parties detached with some bitterness. Do whatever you have to do to exorcise this shit from your mind because it will do nothing for you moving forward. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34659823) |
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Date: November 11th, 2017 12:23 AM Author: excitant garrison if you knew it all, you'd be pretty sympathetic.
i've had some really bad experiences. the gov't one was fine, except for what i talked about. the latest one, they couldn't blame on me one cent. that was all GC wringing you to fucking death. i did NOTHING wrong. i've read no one lasts more than 6 months. and two people quit in their first week, just from my small team, not flame. it's death. pure hell. i had nothing to do with quitting the most recent job other than the job being untenable. i'd been sober here for a long time. the job killed me and when i couldn't take it anymore i quit & went back.
i'll take responsibility for the other one, despite i don't think the issue then was handled well whatsoever.
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Date: November 11th, 2017 12:28 AM Author: brilliant theatre round eye I wasn't referring to the other jobs. I forgot that you have been struggling with bouncing around to all these different jobs.
But I would argue, based on your comments here and elsewhere, that you're carrying some kind of latent anger or disappointment that's fucking you over and clouding your judgment to some degree. Pure speculation, I know, but historically I am pretty good at identifying this kind of thing. |
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Date: November 11th, 2017 12:39 AM Author: excitant garrison I've had some bad ones -- and, to me, that's on them. They want pure GC slaves. And I refuse.
But your greater point is still valid. I do have latent anger and disappointment. Mostly that people (family & friends) expect me to go through these horrible jobs just for status, not knowing anything about what they entail or ever having had to do them personally.
That bothers me. Their disapproving glances when I quit -- like something's wrong; you should do better -- when they don't know the reality.
And that hurts.
They think I'm a genius. I'm dumber than a Seattle Supermarket clerk.
Really, though, it's just not the field for me. I need to have creativity and freedom. I don't care about money. I come from a very creative, funny family. Staring at computer screens for 11 hours a day is suicidal. |
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Date: November 11th, 2017 1:02 AM Author: brilliant theatre round eye That's all reasonable but I sense that you are digging too hard on the 'being a lawyer is not for me' angle. You may be right and I don't know you at all, but it seems like you're working overtime to convince yourself that you can't practice law.
I'm not saying being a lawyer is so great. If you have some resentment over moving away from the profession and you were good at it, however, you may want to examine why you're invested in the idea that it doesn't suit you. |
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Date: November 11th, 2017 1:07 AM Author: excitant garrison I get your psychological angle -- trust me -- I'm pretty good at that myself. And there's a sense of truth in it. But you can't discount the fact that I'm just not a person who is cut out to be, as one moniker puts it, a corporate slave. That concept kills me. I'll work 40 hours. with a lunch. I won't work 60 without one. And I'm not going to feel bad about it, even though my family is trying to make me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34660081) |
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Date: November 11th, 2017 1:12 AM Author: brilliant theatre round eye Fair but there are shitlaw jobs and other places to prosecute that give you a good a work-life balance. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34660107) |
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Date: November 11th, 2017 1:39 AM Author: excitant garrison they didn't for me. might be in the wrong jurisdiction. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34660215) |
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Date: October 22nd, 2018 11:07 PM Author: pearly den i feel you brother i feel you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#37076220) |
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Date: November 11th, 2017 12:45 AM Author: Flesh kitty cat Going to meeting is only a part of the work. You have to find a sponsor and work the steps (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34659999) |
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Date: November 11th, 2017 1:10 AM Author: Shimmering prole Can someone post a link verifying this same pumo is WLMAS? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34660096) |
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Date: November 11th, 2017 7:56 AM Author: Lake market http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792191&mc=27&forum_id=2#34653090
Date: November 10th, 2017 11:34 AM Author: ,,, ,,, ;,, ; ,;,,; ,.,.,.;,,, ,, ,,;,; ; ,,;,;;
Lol at these potato eating criminals
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792191&forum_id=2#34653090) |
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Date: November 11th, 2017 10:00 AM Author: translucent contagious box office Yes, you should go and talk with someone who volunteers to be a sponsor at the end. Maybe it's for you, maybe it's not, but you clearly need to take a break. If you can't you should try committing to it for 90 days. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34661045) |
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Date: November 11th, 2017 10:13 AM Author: Cerebral citrine chad congrats but your liver won't make it past 65 or so. try to drink like 3 nights, maybe 4, per week. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34661082) |
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Date: November 13th, 2017 4:08 AM Author: out-of-control kink-friendly rigor electric furnace Lol wlmas blanked all his posts ITT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34673614) |
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Date: November 13th, 2017 4:32 AM Author: sooty thirsty parlor idea he suggested (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34673676) |
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Date: November 13th, 2017 9:40 PM Author: At-the-ready university regret He blanked poasts openly admitting/bragging about drinking over half a fifth of Knob Creek before his closing statement, how the jury loved him, etc.
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Date: November 13th, 2017 11:17 PM Author: adventurous bbw hell He’ll self-destruct completely in due time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34681395) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2017 9:41 PM Author: adventurous bbw hell (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34825260) |
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Date: November 13th, 2017 9:03 PM Author: out-of-control kink-friendly rigor electric furnace (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34680371) |
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Date: November 13th, 2017 9:33 PM Author: topaz indian lodge No go to an outpatient alcohol program at a hospital. It's more objective and less religious bullshit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34680611) |
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Date: December 1st, 2017 12:33 AM Author: gay faggotry Yes. AA is basically placebo flame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34811605) |
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Date: December 22nd, 2017 10:57 AM Author: useless sexy theater stage *leans into mic* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34983775) |
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Date: November 13th, 2017 10:32 PM Author: Hairraiser corner really tough guy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34681120) |
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Date: November 15th, 2017 11:13 AM Author: Hairraiser corner really tough guy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34692285) |
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Date: November 15th, 2017 1:20 PM Author: tan messiness LOL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34693259) |
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Date: November 15th, 2017 1:23 PM Author: translucent contagious box office OP, did you go? You should just go. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34693291) |
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Date: November 15th, 2017 9:43 PM Author: Lake market BUMP to remind wlmas he is a filthy little alcoholic nigger who would be swinging from a tree at the end of a noose in a better, more just world. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34696898) |
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Date: November 15th, 2017 9:50 PM Author: out-of-control kink-friendly rigor electric furnace This is racist (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34696931) |
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Date: November 15th, 2017 9:56 PM Author: Lake market Cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34696956) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2017 9:17 AM Author: adventurous bbw hell ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34827200) |
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Date: November 15th, 2017 9:48 PM Author: out-of-control kink-friendly rigor electric furnace https://imgur.com/a/We0QL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34696922) |
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Date: November 15th, 2017 9:50 PM Author: At-the-ready university regret Jfc, devastating.
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Date: November 15th, 2017 9:56 PM Author: Lake market So his ape uncle killed self? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34696954) |
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Date: November 15th, 2017 10:29 PM Author: tan messiness lmao at this repulsive little unsympathetic turd trying to garner sympathy here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34697189) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2017 8:57 AM Author: adventurous bbw hell (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34827116) |
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Date: January 15th, 2019 12:08 AM Author: heady dingle berry rehab (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#37593503) |
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Date: November 18th, 2017 8:11 AM Author: Hairraiser corner really tough guy jfc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34715948) |
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Date: November 18th, 2017 8:15 AM Author: Judgmental heaven philosopher-king dont like wlmas at all but id delete this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34715955) |
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Date: November 18th, 2017 10:11 AM Author: tan messiness STFU fag (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34716492) |
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Date: November 18th, 2017 2:43 PM Author: Lake market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34717926) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2018 9:12 PM Author: heady dingle berry rehab (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#36734705) |
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Date: March 27th, 2023 7:48 PM Author: Hairraiser corner really tough guy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#46105619) |
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Date: November 18th, 2017 10:34 AM Author: Amethyst dragon church building Hopefully you die of DT’s you deranged nig nog (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34716569) |
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Date: November 18th, 2017 10:50 AM Author: flatulent bateful resort Take it from a guy who has lived it:
You need to start tapering down your drinking and may need to go to AA - at least once to see what it is like so you have a reference point going forward about if you truly have a problem with drinking.
For me it went --> Drinking that ramped up in High School then into College it started to spiral out of control then got totally out of control because of burn-out and depression that turned into full blown alcoholism after I graduated.
THEN I put my life at risk being a fucking retard and only THEN I finally got my wake up call to get sober.
First I cut the hard stuff out. Hard booze is the enemy to alcoholics for a variety of reasons. Most "functioning" alcoholics I know are either late stage into Vodka OR they are beer/wine and have some semblance of functionality.
Your brain goes through a series of bargaining patterns with the addiction, so one of the "hacks" to get sober or at least get out of the hole is that I gave myself permission to keep drinking and said I was gonna stop drinking hard booze and switched to wine and beer.
Then I gradually tapered down from 2 bottles of wine or so a day, to one. Then to a six pack of beer, then to only like three or so a day and then went cold turkey.
From there I relapsed a few more times after between one month and three months of sobriety each try but it was worth it - a lot of people need a relapse to get sober in order to answer their "question" with booze.
Now I'm coming up on my third year sober and don't regret it.
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Date: November 18th, 2017 10:53 AM Author: Lavender Jew The stuff about switching to beer is something I’ve heard from a lot of people, including my doc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34716663) |
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Date: November 18th, 2017 11:05 AM Author: flatulent bateful resort It makes sense for a lot of reasons and has been done for centuries if not millennia.
If your not seeking medical advice to detox (which you should absolutely 100% do if you are drinking super hard), a gradual taper down is the safest way to do it.
It took me a few weeks to "taper" my drinking into "normal alcoholism" levels, which I stayed at for a month or so until I decided it was time to keep tapering down. I did this as an emergency provision to really get me out of my worst hole/worst binge. My life was so fucking dark at that point that I probably was drinking 14-20 drinks a day at my lowest point, every day, for a couple of months or so. Just total misery. If I went cold turkey I would have been really really screwed.
On the flip side, it also psychologically gives you the slightest bit of control back and that allows you to build a position of strength against the disease going forward as you keep tapering and eventually go cold Turkey.
If you do a taper well and have the control, you can probably be ready to give cold turkey a shot after like two or three months of gradual consumption reduction.
Remember though - you are not just "Switching to Beer" - because the alcoholic brain is going to want you to hit your regular intake level - so it could be 12 beers instead of having four or six shots or whatever which is still a problem. T
he major advantage in this situation is you are using progressively weaker types of alcohol to reduce the average chemical saturation in the brain and re-calibrating the alcoholic brain to lower "normal" levels of booze - eventually to the point where you stand a chance at giving sobriety a shot
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Date: November 18th, 2017 11:26 AM Author: Lavender Jew They want me to do some intensive outpatient shit that will involve detox and some drug that makes you puke if you drink. I told them I couldn’t commit to something like that while I got end of quarter shit at work to deal with, so they said at least stop drinking liquor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34716789) |
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Date: November 18th, 2017 11:29 AM Author: tan messiness you should open a bottle of liquor and pour it into your mouth right now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34716803) |
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Date: November 18th, 2017 11:32 AM Author: Lavender Jew http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=2899392&mc=99&forum_id=2 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34716815) |
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Date: November 18th, 2017 11:35 AM Author: tan messiness did that cure your thirst for Jim beam? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34716828) |
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Date: December 1st, 2017 12:42 AM Author: out-of-control kink-friendly rigor electric furnace Lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34811665) |
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Date: August 5th, 2018 10:17 PM Author: Amethyst dragon church building (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#36560255) |
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Date: November 18th, 2017 2:45 PM Author: Lake market Favorite
Date: November 18th, 2017 11:26 AM Author: ,,,,,;,,;,,;,,,;;,,;,,,,,,;,;,;,;,,;,;,,,,,,;;
They want me to do some intensive outpatient shit that will involve detox and some drug that makes you puke if you drink. I told them I couldn’t commit to something like that while I got end of quarter shit at work to deal with, so they said at least stop drinking liquor
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34716789) |
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Date: May 6th, 2018 1:16 PM Author: Amethyst dragon church building god these threads are great, go away you stupid alcoholic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#35992769) |
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Date: November 18th, 2017 2:45 PM Author: Lake market 18th, 2017 10:53 AM Author: ,,,,,;,,;,,;,,,;;,,;,,,,,,;,;,;,;,,;,;,,,,,,;;
The stuff about switching to beer is something I’ve heard from a lot of people, including my doc.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34716663) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2017 10:10 PM Author: out-of-control kink-friendly rigor electric furnace (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34825460) |
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Date: October 2nd, 2018 8:25 AM Author: translucent contagious box office Thank you for sharing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#36938526) |
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Date: November 18th, 2017 11:38 AM Author: supple violent stage queen of the night Long time AA member here. I realized I was an alcoholic because I got this bottomless pit feeling when drinking that I felt like I needed to fill with all the booze I could find, and I regularly ended up changing my mind and getting drunk at times I originally planned not to. I decided to quit when the occurring and impending consequences got scarier than losing my main coping mechanism and source of fun. I tried all the moderation and other treatment options without success. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34716841) |
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Date: November 19th, 2017 7:11 PM Author: out-of-control kink-friendly rigor electric furnace (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34725787) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 11:19 PM Author: out-of-control kink-friendly rigor electric furnace (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34803238) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 11:21 PM Author: heady dingle berry rehab lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34803257) |
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Date: November 29th, 2017 11:23 PM Author: out-of-control kink-friendly rigor electric furnace (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34803274) |
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Date: December 1st, 2017 8:08 AM Author: Hairraiser corner really tough guy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34812675) |
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Date: December 10th, 2017 5:10 PM Author: out-of-control kink-friendly rigor electric furnace (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34884252) |
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Date: December 10th, 2017 5:14 PM Author: Amethyst dragon church building LOL WLMAS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34884286) |
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Date: December 10th, 2017 5:21 PM Author: Lake market Lol you fucking incel alkie nigger (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34884317) |
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Date: December 11th, 2017 11:00 AM Author: tan messiness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34889379) |
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Date: December 12th, 2017 8:55 PM Author: out-of-control kink-friendly rigor electric furnace (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34902664) |
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Date: December 14th, 2017 10:17 PM Author: Amethyst dragon church building Leave us alone you stupid fucking drunk WLMAS. It's incredible you havent been banned again you fucking spammer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34923216) |
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Date: December 14th, 2017 10:29 PM Author: out-of-control kink-friendly rigor electric furnace (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34923333) |
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Date: December 16th, 2017 5:19 PM Author: tan messiness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34936855) |
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Date: December 16th, 2017 5:25 PM Author: Lake market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34936905) |
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Date: December 22nd, 2017 10:54 AM Author: tan messiness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34983758) |
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Date: December 23rd, 2017 11:06 AM Author: tan messiness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34991203) |
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Date: December 24th, 2017 12:01 PM Author: tan messiness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#34998122) |
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Date: January 5th, 2018 12:55 AM Author: tan messiness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#35085460) |
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Date: January 5th, 2018 1:16 AM Author: heady dingle berry rehab (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#35085614) |
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Date: January 7th, 2018 10:59 AM Author: Amethyst dragon church building Seems like he’s still on the sauce (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#35101474) |
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Date: January 11th, 2018 11:42 PM Author: Hairraiser corner really tough guy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#35137398) |
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Date: January 15th, 2018 9:42 AM Author: tan messiness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#35159372) |
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Date: February 11th, 2018 1:02 PM Author: Amethyst dragon church building You drunk again today you dumb nig nog? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#35376744) |
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Date: February 11th, 2018 6:53 PM Author: heady dingle berry rehab (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#35379294) |
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Date: February 18th, 2018 8:13 PM Author: heady dingle berry rehab (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#35433465) |
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Date: February 18th, 2018 8:14 PM Author: Fuchsia vibrant roast beef station in 2008 we'd laugh at you for thinking about um law. now... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#35433472) |
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Date: March 9th, 2018 8:46 PM Author: heady dingle berry rehab (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#35572992) |
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Date: March 27th, 2018 4:35 PM Author: Amethyst dragon church building LOL you dumb nig, you're lucky you're not disbarred or jailed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#35702348) |
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Date: April 10th, 2018 10:25 PM Author: Amethyst dragon church building Reminder: WLMAS drinks before trials. Should he be disbarred? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#35812121) |
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Date: April 12th, 2018 11:51 AM Author: heady dingle berry rehab (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#35824156) |
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Date: April 21st, 2018 1:01 PM Author: heady dingle berry rehab (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#35888525) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2018 9:33 AM Author: heady dingle berry rehab (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#35899137) |
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Date: May 6th, 2018 12:39 PM Author: Marvelous macaca shrine (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#35992613) |
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Date: May 20th, 2018 2:05 PM Author: anal pocket flask LMAO (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#36090420) |
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Date: June 4th, 2018 5:27 PM Author: titillating poppy mother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#36183045) |
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Date: June 11th, 2018 7:39 AM Author: Amethyst dragon church building LOL you alcoholic nig nog, stop spamming the board with your drunken rants (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#36222028) |
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Date: July 13th, 2018 3:02 PM Author: heady dingle berry rehab (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#36420063) |
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Date: July 14th, 2018 2:56 AM Author: heady dingle berry rehab (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#36423968) |
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Date: July 17th, 2018 10:58 AM Author: Amethyst dragon church building (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#36443867) |
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Date: August 21st, 2018 11:06 PM Author: tan messiness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#36660110) |
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Date: August 27th, 2018 8:17 AM Author: Amethyst dragon church building Dumb nog is spamming again (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#36692493) |
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Date: September 2nd, 2018 8:50 PM Author: tan messiness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#36734599) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2018 11:39 AM Author: tan messiness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#36736874) |
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Date: September 3rd, 2018 12:41 PM Author: Amethyst dragon church building WLMAS, how’s the sobriety going you dumb nig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#36737109) |
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Date: September 14th, 2018 5:00 PM Author: Amethyst dragon church building Halp! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#36809272) |
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Date: September 17th, 2018 12:57 PM Author: Amethyst dragon church building Little dork keeps changing his pumo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#36825456) |
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Date: September 21st, 2018 7:01 AM Author: translucent contagious box office You have a poor capacity for empathy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#36855573) |
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Date: September 20th, 2018 10:24 AM Author: tan messiness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#36847738) |
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Date: September 29th, 2018 10:36 AM Author: Amethyst dragon church building (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#36920875) |
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Date: October 14th, 2018 2:24 PM Author: Amethyst dragon church building (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#37020110) |
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Date: October 29th, 2018 11:30 AM Author: Amethyst dragon church building (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#37117278) |
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Date: November 10th, 2018 4:50 PM Author: Amethyst dragon church building L O L (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#37204952) |
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Date: November 10th, 2018 4:57 PM Author: soggy disturbing pozpig Bumping this is faggot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#37205001) |
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Date: November 24th, 2018 9:49 AM Author: tan messiness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#37291415) |
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Date: November 25th, 2018 11:32 AM Author: Amethyst dragon church building (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#37297263) |
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Date: November 30th, 2018 10:02 AM Author: Amethyst dragon church building (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#37326353) |
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Date: November 30th, 2018 10:03 AM Author: Vivacious puppy depressive (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#37326357) |
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Date: November 30th, 2018 10:05 AM Author: fragrant misunderstood location blood rage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#37326364) |
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Date: December 12th, 2018 7:59 PM Author: Amethyst dragon church building (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#37398349) |
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Date: December 12th, 2018 8:00 PM Author: heady dingle berry rehab (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#37398354) |
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Date: December 18th, 2018 10:51 AM Author: Amethyst dragon church building It seems AA did NOT work (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#37426659) |
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Date: January 5th, 2019 11:01 PM Author: Amethyst dragon church building (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#37535531) |
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Date: January 10th, 2019 1:50 AM Author: Hairraiser corner really tough guy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#37564018) |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 9:18 AM Author: tan messiness Running list of OP's alts:
Date: January 1st, 2019 8:15 PM Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
this ^ is WLMAS account #1 Collected list of *CURRENT* WLMAS alt accounts. Very sad (and sick!) guy!
#1
Author: \"\"\"\'\'\'\'\'\'\'\'\"\'\'\'( )
#2
fscknut
#3
Author: \"\"\"\'\'\"\'\"
#4
Author: \'\'\'\"\'\'\'\'\"\'\'\"
#5
Author: \'\'\"\'\"\"\"\'\'\'\'
#6
Author: ..,..,....,,.,,....,,,,.,
#7
Author: \"\'\'\"\'\"\"\'\"\'
#8
Author: \"\"\"\'\'\"\"\'\'
#9
Author: \'\"\"\"\"\'\"
#10
Author: ..,.,;:.,:;,:;,..,;;:,;
#11
Author: \'\'\'\'\'\'\'\"\'\"
#12
Author: \"\"\"\"\'\'\"\'\"
#13
Author: \'\'\'\'\'\'\'\'\'\'\'\"\'
#14
Author: \"\"\'\"\'\'\"\'\"\'
#15
Author: \"\"\"\"\'\'\"\'\"
#16
Author: \"\'\"\'\'\'\'\'\"\"\'
#17
jack sikma
#18
Author: :;:;::::;;;;;:::.;;,.;;;,.;;
#19
Author: \"\"\"\'\'\'\"\"\'
#20
Author: ;;;..;..;;;..
#21
Author: \"\"\'\"\'\'\"\'\"\'
#22
Author: .,.,,.,.,.,:
#23
Author: \'\'\"\'\"\"\"\'\'\'\'
#24
Author: \'\"\"\"\"\'\"
#25
Author: \'\"\'\"\"\'\"
#26
Author: ..,,.,,,.,
#27
Trip McNeely
#28
Author: \'\'\'\'\"\"\"\'\'
On the watch list:
Author: \'\'\'\'\"\'\'\"\"\"\'
Author: \'\"\"\'\'\'\'\"\"\'\'\"
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4167272&forum_id=2#37509533) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 1:27 AM Author: heady dingle berry rehab Current updated running list right here: http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4167334&mc=12&forum_id=2 |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 1:26 AM Author: heady dingle berry rehab Date: January 28th, 2016 11:58 PM Author: ,.,.,.,.,.,. , . . . , . . . . . . , . . . ;
tbf i was snowed in and drunk whereas petumkin is a jerbless shutin
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=#) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2019 8:07 PM Author: Amethyst dragon church building (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#37718415) |
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Date: January 23rd, 2019 3:27 PM Author: Amethyst dragon church building (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#37648638) |
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Date: March 26th, 2019 9:10 AM Author: Aphrodisiac Zippy Parlour Athletic Conference Did you go? Were you called up to the majors? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#37992057) |
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Date: April 17th, 2019 6:16 PM Author: Amethyst dragon church building Fucking LOL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#38102917) |
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Date: April 21st, 2019 10:09 PM Author: Amethyst dragon church building HAHAHAHA (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#38121678) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2019 7:14 AM Author: balding puce casino lol at petumkin, kenny, Charlie Brown & Henry Aaron circle jerking ITT. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#38477349) |
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Date: July 24th, 2019 9:27 PM Author: Amethyst dragon church building You KNOW he’s drinking tonight (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#38583322) |
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Date: February 10th, 2020 3:18 PM Author: Amethyst dragon church building (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#39572088) |
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Date: April 14th, 2020 8:42 AM Author: Honey-headed crusty legal warrant (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#40011207) |
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Date: September 22nd, 2020 7:03 AM Author: heady dingle berry rehab (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#40964844) |
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Date: January 9th, 2021 8:41 AM Author: Hairraiser corner really tough guy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#41715868) |
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Date: May 30th, 2021 10:38 PM Author: Hairraiser corner really tough guy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#42547647) |
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Date: February 29th, 2024 2:43 AM Author: heady dingle berry rehab great thread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3792970&forum_id=2#47449775) |